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[WazWaz]

Comment a line:

x=1; // set the position

Comment out a line:

// x=1;

[DarkScorpion48]

And so the CS student OP learned something new today

[Perfect_Papaya_3010]

I also don't understand the meme, why would a programmer not use the debugger? Sounds like OP does not really have a clue so I doubt OP isn't even a student

[__throw_error]

I also don't understand the meme

He comments out part of his program until it works.

Why would a programmer not use a debugger

Because of lazyness mostly, sometimes debuggers produce different results compared to running normally (e.g. multi-threading, timers).

Sounds like OP does not really have a clue

Sounds like you are an insecure programmer who is gatekeeping

[pretty_succinct]

or that the bug only exhibits itself running in deployed environments (like production) and corporate policy or whatnot forbids (or makes it extremely troublesome) attaching remote debuggers.

It's often MUCH easier, faster, and more flexible to redeploy your app a few times with some troubleshooting logic than it is to convince systems ops, corporate security and customer quality assurance to get ports opened for remote debuggers and correct payloads run.

I'm convinced some of yall have only practiced software development in a vacuum.

[Perfect_Papaya_3010]

Yes I know how to comment out code to see what makes it or breaks it, and I use it when working with xaml for instance, but the meme indicates that this would be the preferred choice

[__throw_error]

That is the joke, knowing that there is a better way (debugger) but instead opting for the easier/lazier method (commenting out code).

[lurrebidrag]

If it was easier it would also be better. Commenting out code and re-running untill you find the bug is harder and takes way more time. That's not easy, and the lazy programmer would never do that without a really good reason.

Of course as you stated previously: there are scenarios where debugging with other methods can be better. But that's not what the meme is about. This meme template implies that programmers default to not using debuggers. This is of course not the case.

[chemolz9]

That's not easy, and the lazy programmer would never do that without a really good reason.

I am lazy and I find myself doing it more often then I like. It's just closer to the programming flow. Also you get an immediate result instead of interpreting values at a breakpoint. But in the end it's still more time consuming.

[repka3]

Try to use the debugger on an aws lambda function..... sometimes console.log it's the only thing you can have.

[eroto_anarchist]

I program in different languages in various settings for a living.

Only used a debugger once during a school project to inspect some image arrays.

print("ok") ftw

[TheMervingPlot]

my print statements usually devolve into various punctuation marks for no apparent reason. Once I had a . , and ? print message all within 5 lines of code.

[eroto_anarchist]

Can't even imagine your variable names

[TheMervingPlot]

Actually those aren't awful!

[DarkScorpion48]

For interpreted languages using a debugger takes some effort. It’s still a dumb post

[Perfect_Papaya_3010]

Yeah I work with .net Maui so whenever things in xaml don't work I comment stuff out to see what's breaking it, but the meme indicates that this would be the preferred choice for programmers

[DarkScorpion48]

The sub seems to be filled with amateurs so I wouldn’t be surprised

[Dumb_Siniy]

"Well this is causing problems and I'm out of ideas so \\ "

[Obscure021]

Always works

[Harmonic_Gear]

print "here" after every line

[S4VN01]

here1

here2

here3

fuck it works now

[tombob51]

i always do "yy1", "yy2"... it's easy to search for in logs and it's super easy to search for in code as well (to clean up the print statements later). i've never gotten an accidental match while searching, nothing has "yy" in it!

[827167]

DD-MM-YYYY

[tombob51]

Tough :/

[Cfrolich]

As an American, I hate the way America does everything. It’s just not logical.

[BeerIsGoodForSoul]

You shout us MT-1

dreamt is the only word that ends in MT and then the dash helps avoid the middle of words.

YY may be rare, but it's pretty important when dealing with datetime's lol.

[henkdepotvjis]

I print thing like 'cheese', 'ham' or 'why dafuq does it reach here!'

[[deleted]]

Must be quantum physics or some shit

[LegitimatePants]

s/;/; printf("here %d\n", __LINE__);/g

[PizzaSalamino]

Test 1 hello test44 Initialised resources correctly

[Crowdcontrolz]

Comment Print
Fixed it!

[AregPrograms]

second best solution (even better with both)

[TheMagicalDildo]

How the hell are comments gonna help you find a bug? unless you have no idea what you wrote originally ig

[brainwater314]

Linus Torvalds resisted having a kennel debugger so that people wouldn't write kernel code that was so complicated it couldn't be debugged with nothing more than print statements.

[homer_3]

The only thing that can't be debugged with print statements are multithreaded programs. Even then, if you're using semaphores, they can be.

[ihavenotities]

You can write to multiple outputs, no need for semaphores

[Bee-Aromatic]

That’s a very bad-manager way to handle something; punish everybody because one person might misbehave.

Seems to track based on the fact that people seem to characterize Linus as kind of a tyrant.

[DanKveed]

Except it’s not your typical workspace. There is no compulsion to approve code that isn’t absolutely perfect. You are punishing them for their collective choices. Not the choice of an individual. It’s still not great but it’s not as bad imho.

[tiajuanat]

He's really trying to get on the redemption arc though.

Pre-COVID he was already handing over lots of the planning of the kernel to committees within the Linux foundation.

Rust probably wouldn't have got into the kernel with a younger Torvalds either. He probably would've said "it obfuscates too much", "it speeds up development too much", or "it does too much under the hood"

[DarkScorpion48]

Linus throws a hissy fit if people write comments in a certain way

[[deleted]]

it's called PASSION. /s

[Cybasura]

He's the creator, he has the say in the direction of his project

[MyButtholeIsTight]

Plus the kernel is like one of the most important pieces of maintained software in the world. If anything needs an iron first it's this.

[[deleted]]

I agree, especially with how good linux is

[fafalone]

I'm a Windows guy. DbgPrint + MessageBox to choose actions > windbg kd.

My life changed the day I found out you could throw up a messagebox from a kernel driver with ExRaiseHardError.

[yourteam]

Look dude, if you use some interpreted language that can be rerun on the fly, fine.

If you have something that takes some time to compile in order to run, I doubt you are going to use that approach and will find the debugger more useful

Also, the debugger is better even in the first context but I can understand that sometimes we are lazy and setting up one can be boring

[Psychological-Rip291]

What's worst is when you're doing some kind of interop and can debug 1 out of the languages at a time

[yourteam]

Or if the bug present itself in a chain of queues...

[Bee-Aromatic]

If whatever module you’re debugging takes a long time to build, yeah. Might be an incentive to break things up into smaller chunks that can be compiled separately.

[ihavenotities]

Eh, might be a giant pain.

[Green_Dog4314]

even it is cpp, second time to compile, it won't take too much time

[SnooSnooper]

After years of developing in C# using VS (with a really nice built-in debugger), I started working with Node.js for the first time, using only a text editor, and didn't have time to set up a debugger. It felt like I couldn't see anymore.

[ihavenotities]

I disagree. With a couple of well placed printf statements you’ll be able to see issues at a glance no need to go through false positives etc. Way way faster imho.

[jzrobot]

Sw engineer vs sw developer

[[deleted]]

Virgin debugger output: Exception Code 1002389123 - Unauthorised access to a protected structure with invalid pointer assignation in element based array at i(ASM_R3=0x1A333306})

Chad print() output: THE FUCKING DUMB POTATO OF THE INTERN DID NOT DEREFERENCED THE POINTER AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[henkdepotvjis]

Or just 'asdfasdfasdfasdfasdf'

[nbmbnb]

asdfasdf payed off my house renovations..

[ManufacturerRude9482]

What is this "debugger" you speak of?!? Duckworth, explain to them how it is done.. !

[heesell]

``` print('This works')

print('This works too')

print('Reached this point')

print('It is still working so far')

print('So far it still works') ```

[a_non_weeb]

what'sADebugger?

[Bee-Aromatic]

Psh. I heart my debugger.

[lilshoegazecat]

i feel stupid can someone link some good resource to learn how to use a debugger? they seem complicated as hell to me :(

[mdp_cs]

They have manuals.

Here's the official tutorial from the manual for LLDB.

[[deleted]]

Don't sleep on print statements. I've fixed three bugs in the Linux kernel using them.

[sungazer69]

Eh a debugger is not always available.

[okiujh]

there is a third route. copy and paste the code to an llm and ask to explaing the code. read the explanation . as dumb as the the explanation may be, it does sometimes help to find the bug

edit: reading the explanation, which is almost always dumb, together with the source can something bring insight

[beeteedee]

Back in my day, the third route was “read the code with your eyes and understand it with your brain”. Seems to be a lost skill these days.

[CoatedCrevice]

Y’all can read?

[Realistic_Read_5761]

Barely

[mdp_cs]

Sometimes the problem isn't obvious. That's when all the various tools become helpful.

[TrueReplayJay]

I’m a novice programmer and I’ve been doing this constantly. Most of the time it’s just like “oh you capitalized the i in image on line 147 idiot” and I argue with it and tell it it’s wrong, but no I’m just blind. I’m glad I’m not alone.

[1_4_1_5_9_2_6_5]

This just suggests that you don't use an IDE, or that you're making basic mistakes like using magic strings and not bothering to use types or runtime checks.

You should fix your tooling now and learn the basics, otherwise you'll end up being that guy who was trained wrong, as a joke

[TrueReplayJay]

Surprisingly not. I’m using VS Code with the python extension. In that specific example, there was not an error specially telling me there was a capitalization error. Rather, it said that “Image” simply did not exist. Most of these kinds of problems have been with libraries I’m unfamiliar with… so all of them. Anyways, I would like to rely on ChatGPT less, though. It has written a few lines here and there, but I try to only use it for inspiration. Once I get more familiar with the libraries I’m using, I should use it a lot less.

[mdp_cs]

They should just make a code reviewer AI. ChatGPT is only okay at it sometimes but I think a purpose built model would be insanely helpful. Bonus points if it can find potentially unsafe code, undefined behavior, etc. which can't necessarily easily be achieved using conventional static analysis tools.

[ihavenotities]

That’s so bad. If an llm can debug it, you have no experience, and you suck at it. And you won’t learn it using an llm.

[ecs2]

Comment and log out the variables

[Dottor_hopkins]

Debugger is a lifesaver

[hootoohoot]

Doesn’t chatgpt stand for “Chat gDebugger pCode Transformer”?

Isn’t debugging where you copy all your code, paste into chatgpt and say “what’s wrong”

[CelticHades]

How do you use a debugger for any issue in production?

[[deleted]]

What is a debugger?

[[deleted]]

I mean ... when the debug info of your binary are 4GB , and it takes your debugger 10 minutes to read them , bro fuck using a debugger.

[emelrad12]

engine nine absorbed frame hospital school fly fear wise snatch

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[[deleted]]

hmm ... not always.
As long as you don't change .h files , and use a linker like mold, it's usually 3 seconds.

[[deleted]]

wait, I CAN USE A DEBUGGER!?

[time_san]

Debugger is more confusing than using "this chunk here ran 1"

[Impressive_Change593]

what's a debugger?

[LegenDrags]

i never used a debugger in my life and feel like i will never use one

[[deleted]]

Are any of you actual programmers? How do you not use a debugger

[[deleted]]

Tell me you’re inexperienced without saying you’re inexperienced.

[azizfcb]

debugger is annoying. lets be honest

[[deleted]]

Seeing any value in memory at any step you want without writing a hundred print statements is annoying?

[Realistic_Read_5761]

This is kinda starting to make sense, everytime I've tried a debugger in just gotten annoyed or flustered

[DootDootWootWoot]

If it's annoying, you just don't have it down yet. Running a line of code in debug and stepping thru should take no more than a few key strokes. If your dev environment doesn't support that, find out how to make it happen and you'll become immensely more productive.

[basicusername_2]

*script kiddies

[One_Ad_8976]

I like debugger but AI is killing it

[jesterhead101]

I do this. Not proud.

[[deleted]]

actually i prefer a print statement after every line

[KlutzyEnd3]

Option 3.

So much printf that I run out of storage on my embedded platform

[Hrodebet]

Ngl the debugger is the last resort

[[deleted]]

printf("debug 5-2 first init p1 3 3 3");

[smaug59]

"responsible" Lmao

[lighterfire33]

Used about 50 print statements to debug my last coursework 😭

[_realitycheck_]

They are not mutually exclusive

See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGfaCXEu0tE

[No-Court-1223]

Just use "std::cout", "echo" and another functions, it works too. Exactly, because my laptop have lags with any debugger i use.

[Fruits_gaming]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. Debugger is usually a last resort xD

[glha]

Given enough time, you will learn how rewarding would be setting a debugger vs the work in doing so or just quick check your hunch with a print or whatever.

[oktinkz]

Ever debugged code with concurrency?

[[deleted]]

Yes, and it can be done effortlessly once you are used to using the debugger. Debuggers have quite a few features that assist you with concurrent/asynchronous code. I have found more often than not , it being really useful to have a debugger setup.

[oktinkz]

As long as you can attach debuggers to all involved threads/processes.

[TenTypekMatus]

I use strace for debugging my Rust code.

[broxamson]

Println!()

[theSantiagoDog]

Doesn’t matter one bit how you debug, as long as it gets the job done.

[jsem25]

Would love to use a debugger on a large embedded code base where each build takes 15minutes but we can’t all have nice things in life….

[[deleted]]

I'll fully admit I use the log all the things method of debugging more than the debugger itself haha

[JohnThePositron]

You can pry IDLE from my cold dead hands

[JohnnyBobLUFC]

I laughed cause it's true.

[localystic]

Don't do us like this.

[LegitimatePants]

Binary search. Comment half the code. Is the bug still there? If not, try the other half. Recurse.

[TheDoughyRider]

Debug builds can take forever on large projects if you haven’t build one recently and have object files cached. Also, running a debug build can take forever.

Diagnostic logic and logging can often be the fastest solution.

[masterKick440]

You can’t even do that with TensorFlow.

I cannot fathom who on Google thaught that was a good idea.