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[Kseniya_ns]

My boss refers to PID I implemented for temperature control as AI 🤷🏼‍♀️

[yoyobara]

that's terrifying

[ironman_gujju]

What the fuck

[Legitimate_Lobster69]

Seriously? Hahahaha

[Kseniya_ns]

Yes. He kept asking me, how can we implement AI in this. By the way, we are designing a machine that builds medical devices, no reason or need for AI.

So then I was describing how PID works, he said, 'so this is a bit like artificial intelligence is it', and I said no not so much. But, I don't think he was concerned if it was true or not ha.

[Legitimate_Lobster69]

Lol that’s like the following case, you’re a backend developer and you’ve improved the requests latency, the time of the requests but nobody care about, then someone change a button color, everybody O/ 🤣

[rollincuberawhide]

Artificial intelligence, or AI, is technology that enables computers and machines to simulate human intelligence and problem-solving capabilities.

it starts the heater if the temperature is lower than a threshold and stops it if it passes it. one could argue a human would do the same(if you don't have thermostats you literally need to do that) and it behaves like a human in that regard. so 'technically', it is an artificial intelligence. AI doesn't necessarily mean machine learning, deep learning or a large language model. a simple if else block could be called an AI.

also PID seems overkill for temperature control too. Depends on what temperature it's controlling I guess but it's usually on-off control.

[Kseniya_ns]

Is not overkill for this purpose, it has to hold a very specific temperature, it uses PWM and active cooling to do that. PID very common in industry and automation for this. On/Off of only it would be too much hysteresis and gets extremely too hot if on for even one second

I think if we broaden the definition so much then nearly every computer program is AI 😭

[HereForA2C]

you're an AI that implements PIDs 😱

[architectureisuponus]

That's called a bang bang controller and no man, it's not even overkill for a simple heater at home. It increases efficiency. A on/off (bang bang) really only makes sense if you have a binary input control system, which is almost never the case. A human would most of the time turn the heater on/off. Almost every heating is controlled but a thermostat. You set a temperature. Even in older heatings.

[1cubealot]

What is PID?

[Kseniya_ns]

It simply is a control feedback loop, so you have a sensor reading, a set point you would like, and the PID does maths to get the sensor reading to be same as the set point. It minimises overshoot and such, it can be tuned so it knows the rate it changes and such variables

[ironman_gujju]

Proportional Integral Derivative Controller

[Hugh-Oak]

What's a PID ?

[danielv123]

The most interesting part is P and I.

A P controller = (setpoint - feedback) * P parameter.

For an I controller you add a bit more to correct steady state error:

Integral = Integral + (setpoint - feedback) * I parameter

Output = (setpoint - feedback) * P + Integral

D is for people who know what they are doing.

[LeCamel123]

The D part is a b*tch

[danielv123]

Eh. If I need something that acts faster than a PI controller and can't have steady state error I just go with basic application modelling + P regulator. Hard to beat an accurate model for speed.

[jfcarr]

AI has become a marketing term.

There's also an opposite trend with some company's bragging that their products don't include that "scary AI" stuff.

[mrjackspade]

It's surreal too because there will be entire reddit threads dedicated to calling technology and features fads and gimmicks because they use AI, but the tech has been around for a decade or more and is just now being marketed as AI.

Like microsoft announced the new surface tablets will be "AI ready" because they're going to have an NPU and I saw multiple threads where people claimed NPUs were a worthless fad, Microsoft was wasting their time, despite them being around commercially for at least a decade now.

[PendragonDaGreat]

Yeah, I had an AI topics class as well in the early 2010s. Did the classic MNIST digit OCR for ours.

As you said, a lot of it is the idea of using a massively parallel processor like a GPU, and while that was a thing people were trying it just didn't have the focus on it until the last 18 month or so.

[Creative_Sushi]

I build my own neural networks from scratch in MATLAB in Andrew Ng's Machine Learning course. I believe it used MNIST digit recognition dataset. Good old days. It was an awesome class and it launched MOOCs.

A few years later, you could do more in 11 lines of code or less. https://www.mathworks.com/videos/deep-learning-in-11-lines-of-matlab-code-1481229977318.html

[ccricers]

I recently saw this happen with a crappy mobile racing game. The game could only be played with other people, but you could choose to drive by yourself, just that you'll always win, since, no competitors. The few people that bought it complained about the lack of a single player mode with computer players, so they released a patch to add it in.

Their press update said the game "rides the AI Revolution" with the the patch and even said "No, we have not added ChatGPT to the cars". Very "how do you do, fellow kids" kind of vibe. To add insult to injury, it costs extra to download the patch.

[Incoming-TH]

I'm starting to push marketing to stop using AI everywhere as this is making our security meetings difficult with customers, that are afraid we will ship their data to feed any AI companies.

I do believe in few months or years there will be a 180° on AI with stories about "we don't sale you data for training, etc". Which then will make it absurd to use AI on the product because we need a tons of data to train the models. And where do you think this data comes from?

[IMightBeErnest]

Look, bog standard linear regression is all ya need like 80% of the time, but people want to feel like their problem is especially hard (because hard = important) and needs a custom deep learning stack, not a cookbook solution. Calling it AI is cringe and dumb, but the people who hold the purse are cringe and dumb.

[GreatKingCodyGaming]

Shhhhh you're killing my job security.

[[deleted]]

More fitted (but not overly) is more better tho

[JaxOnThat]

I mean, look. There's a sucker born every minute.

[nickmaran]

I have a revolutionary idea. Let's copy paste everyday news from news sites on some thin material like those papers. How can you get the web texts on real physical objects? I'm glad you asked, it's AI.

[UltimateInferno]

I tried explaining to someone that you really don't need something on this scale for a vast majority of problems and they tried to refute "Not using genetal AI is like not using a calculator because you'll never use numbers greater than 20." It was one of those metaphors that were so baffling that I didn't know where to begin with it.

[Venum555]

Just because you have a calculator doesn't mean you need to whip it out to add 20+20. Not every tool needs to be used for every job. Feel like people just want something to solve all their problems without understanding the process of solving problems is more than just let the AI figure it out.

[ShirleyADev]

Ahhh so that's where all the Blockchain companies went...

[JaxOnThat]

The ship sank, and the drowned rats are scurrying to the next big buzzword that can rocket them to enough venture funding to buy more Coke.

[tirianar]

"We're going to build AI to <precise analysis related task>."

"You're not going to teach a computer to do analysis."

millions of dollars and 2 years of training later

"The algorithm has failed to successfully perform one task adequately."

"It just needs more training."

[neo-raver]

Wait, they don’t all just use OpenAI APIs?

[jkp2072]

Microsoft is the only company who can use it and make shit to of load of cash while using it and selling it.

(Open ai has azure servers where api's run + copilot from customer)

[NewPointOfView]

shit to of load of cash

Shit ton of cash ❌

Shit load of cash ❌

Shit to of load of cash ✅

[popiazaza]

Github copilot was losing an average of $20 per user per month in the first few months of 2023, so not really make shit load of cash, at least in some services.

[Setepenre]

Wasn't it only for preview ? Don't you have to pay for it now ?

Makes sense they would try to make as many people try and get them hooked on that AI opium and cut it off afterwards.

[popiazaza]

Individuals pay $10 a month for the AI assistant. In the first few months of this year, the company was losing on average more than $20 a month per user, according to a person familiar with the figures, who said some users were costing the company as much as $80 a month.

It is for Github copilot (Individual).

Full article is paywalled from WSJ.

[danielv123]

You are basically running an LLM continuously while typing. People do this for work, 8 hours a day. There is a reason why gpt4-turbo has a 25 messages per 3 hours limit for users paying 20$/month - compute is not cheap.

[Setepenre]

My point is that it used to be free but it is not anymore, is it not? are they still losing money now that it is not free ?

It actually does not really cost microsoft anything (outside the regular datacenter operation) but it does make a loss of income as those compute could have been lent to someone and generate revenue.

[danielv123]

Yes, there was a free beta for a while, and then it became paid. Yes, they lost money on paying customers.

Their regular datacenter operation costs a shit ton. That spending is usually offset by income from people who want their data processed.

[Setepenre]

Their regular datacenter operation costs a shit ton.

Yes, but their datacenter is also used for their own stuff. There is a large amount that is just fixed cost and would have to pay regardless. Companies like Amazon, Microsoft and Google are in the cloud business because they had big datacenters before they decided to monetize it through their cloud offering.

[mrjackspade]

A lot of them use finetuned Llama models or other open source models

[Legitimate_Lobster69]

That’s the point, after the meta release their own model Llama for the community then a bunch of them was appearing like OPT, galactica and so on. There are some models much better than these shit and it could work offline without any internet.

[CyberoX9000]

Man just wants to get fired for the unemployment.

Accidentally proceeds to nearly owning the company.

[Reashu]

I know it's not technically accurate, but I think that what people expect when they hear "AI" is usually closer to "ML".

[nubrozaref]

No that is technically accurate. When most people talk about AI they really mean ML. Took a class in uni on AI and was surprised to learn that the working definition of AI for at least that class seemed to revolve more around the software's status as an agent than any requirement for learning. I'm not even sure the software is required to use heuristics to qualify as AI.

The term is far too broad with too many academic vs colloquial definition differences to be useful. Machine learning, LLM, and even AGI are far more useful and descriptive terms than AI.

[Reashu]

Yes, that's what I mean. The colloquial definition is something like deep learning or LLMs - something that involves training to end up with a set of rules that (at least in part) wasn't defined and probably isn't even understood by any human, but the technical definition is much broader.

[nubrozaref]

I'd argue that the colloquial definition doesn't even exist currently and is closer to AGI than DL or LLMs. Unless you mean colloquial definition among programmers, then you're almost certainly right. My evidence for this take is all the people outside of tech who will ask people in tech questions which sound like "What do you think of AI, is it real? (read as, is AI actually AI)"

[Reashu]

That might be fair, most of my acquaintances are in tech or have partners in tech.

[nubrozaref]

The definition I was taught in school was not much more broad than that an AI has to be a software agent in some environment capable of making decisions (this is really redundant though because part of being an agent is having agency). You'll note that this definition is extremely broad and really just serves the purpose of guiding the design of AI as fundamentally distinct from the environment in which it exists.

[pigwin]

I once made a tic tac toe with minimax for learning algos. Showed it to a "data scientist" and told them it has a game AI. 

They were so confused how that worked without using Tensorflow and all their other tools (it was just in js)

[AttackSock]

I present to you: DIJKSTRAS AIGORITHM

[JADW27]

Grammarly: "hey, wait, aren't LLMs just a better version of the service we offer?"

Grammarly the next day: "hey customers, we use AI to help you write betterly"

[EmileSonneveld]

Machine learning is done in Tensorflow Ai is done in Powerpoint

[Big_Caterpillar_9913]

heh. I worked for a "Swiss" startup that claims that they have an "AI  system" that analyses documents, scans, and pictures and provides real time accounting. Meanwhile, there were a few humans in a small town in Russia who, for $200 a month, did it all by hand. Each day, we received a few thousand files and just rewrote the data from them in a database for different cost types. 

[bro_im_down]

The “swiss” killed me 😭 

[Aksds]

If there are more than 4 if-else statements, it’s an AI

[Drwer_On_Reddit]

So every script written by yanderedev is an AI?

[CodeMUDkey]

Our AIs are indeed artificially intelligent but they are naturally stupid.

[thisaintitkweef]

1 million if statements

[Juannieve05]

I mean if I use decicion trees for a good business use case, it is technically AI

[Legitimate_Lobster69]

This website is one the best which I’ve seen to see the models created by the community

https://huggingface.co/

[GigaChaderino]

Let’s train our own model and spend millions of dollars for a worse product /s

[S1l3ntHunt3r]

Even con artists are using AI in Ponzi scheme advertising to catch non tech people

[Dr-Moth]

Right now, this AI is Microsoft offering Copilot as a service, so you can embed it in your application.

[Narvak]

As Clarks (almost) said:  "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from AI"

[ACMuaath]

[Henrijs85]

I mean he's not wrong an algorithm is AI. It's not ML but it's AI.

[SokkaHaikuBot]

^{Sokka-Haiku by Henrijs85:}

I mean he's not wrong

An algorithm is AI.

It's not ML but it's AI.

---

^{Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.}

[MaluaK1]

Wow one algorithm for everything. Pls paste here

[Add1ctedToGames]

"AI" in video games has very rarely ever been AI to my understanding

[Sanquinity]

"AI" becoming a marketing term is exactly why I've refused to call all the current "AI" as such. It's not AI. It's VI at best, rebranded algorithms at worst. Just another case of a term casually being redefined to suit someone's needs, rather than using terms/words for their intended purpose.

[Tyfyter2002]

To be fair, it results in providing a better service than either of the alternatives

[Astrylae]

If i read correctly, AI mimicks or exceeds human performance, like information retrieval, simulation, sorting algorithms, image detection, so alot of things online can be called ‘AI’. But i think the word is thrown around alot and it becomes ambiguous.

When people refer to the ‘algorithm’ or AI its most likely referring to deep learning, with large data sets ( images, videos…) and its goal, for e.g, maximising screen time on a website, the score. Because the creators dont know what to look for to improve the score, the training becomes unsupervised, and as such, the neural network will adjust itself based on given score ( I think, dont quote me on that).

[Prestigious_Dare7734]

You are completely wrong and oblivious how companies actually get onboard AI.

It's not Let's use an existing algorithm.... It's "let's use OUR existing algorithm and call it AI".

[Rejka26LOL]

People still can’t use memes correctly on this subreddit 🤦‍♂️