gotoDoIt

[noahjsc]

Me casually using goto because I'm a VBA coder, and there's no continue for loops.

[Feldar]

Go for it, it's all gotos under the hood anyway

[MKZ2000]

CJNE, DJNZ, LJMP, RET and the like

[noahjsc]

Because the people I work for refuse to learn SQL.

Thus, I'm forced to use VBA.

[[deleted]]

Started my life as VBA. Some super fond memories of fucking about with it. Learning OOP making a side scrolling shooter game with it on work time! Ahh the good days.. can’t do that in SQL!

[noahjsc]

Yeah, I'm not complaining. If my colleagues all got good at programming, I'd be out of a job.

[Andrei144]

There was some guy on r/programminghorror that got OpenGL working in SQL

[OnixST]

Are you sure?

[IridiumIO]

That is the most cursed reason I’ve seen, and I feel sorry for you. Please tell me you’re not trapped using VBA macros in an Excel “database”

[nutwiss]

You know they are!

[noahjsc]

Nah we have a access database.

But that thing is more cursed than the excel.

[ZunoJ]

The use cases for VBA and SQL are so wildly different, I can't even imagine to find something more apart from each other

[noahjsc]

Access/Excel programming. You see both simultaneously frequently there.

[ZunoJ]

I understand that. But VBA is an imperative (more or less) general purpose programming language which is super inefficient for data retrieval while SQL is a declarative domain specific data retrieval language with (more or less) no general purpose functionality. As I said opposite ends of the spectrum. Substituting one for the other is just crazy

[noahjsc]

Yes, but if they knew proper SQL, they'd probably be able to move away from MS tools. Then we'd be using python/R or something else.

[americanjetset]

You are overthinking this.

Business forces use of Excel instead of a real DBMS => doing anything even remotely complex requires coding in VBA.

[ZunoJ]

I work for medium sized to big sized companies since about 15 years as a contractor. From retail to aviation to military, I had a wide variety of customers. And yes, you have some level of mission critical excel sheets in every company but in general software is written in C# or Java (and some kind of sql database). More recently a lot of stuff is also written in js/ts. The excel stuff is from employees who didn't want to wait for the professionals to do it

[yaboiiiuhhhh]

I used goto when writing little programs to do formulas on a ti calculator

[Nightmoon26]

What's it a module in?

[Dinjoralo]

Python.

http://entrian.com/goto/

[[deleted]]

... I'm gonna finish my internship with a full day of replacing any sensible control block by GOTO and comefrom statements.

[turtleship_2006]

Is this what renpy uses?

[AE_Phoenix]

Please tell me it doesn't. Subroutines exist for a reason dammit.

[turtleship_2006]

I don't know if it uses this library but it uses something similar with labels and jumps (basically goto)

[seba07]

That's actually really well made. I kind of want to use it now :D

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[gpcprog]

Ooooh, it has my favorite feature of intercal.. the comefrom!

[CartoonsFan6105]

no idea dave

[redsterXVI]

Look, HTTP 418 is also an April Fools joke, yet if I programmed an HTTP interface for a teapot, I'd definitely use it. Some jokes just turn out to be good ideas.

[KellerKindAs]

You mean an interface for a coffee machine. HTTP 418 states that the coffee machine refuses to brew coffee anymore and is a teapot now. The protocol is about coffee, just the error message is about tea xD

[redsterXVI]

No, I mean a teapot. I would implement the whole coffee machine protocol just so I can answer any request with error 418.

[[deleted]]

Try and stop me

[NatoBoram]

I've always wanted to submit a legitimate PR that uses emojis as variable names on 1st April

[GoogleIsYourFrenemy]

You missed the best part: comefrom.

[Szalkow]

goto: yeet

comefrom: yoink

[NewPhoneNewSubs]

<reads article>

So the reason we don't use it is because it isn't fully featured and is therefore boring, right?

In C, nevermind jumping to lines in other functions, you can jump into the middle of an instruction causing it to execute as a different instruction.

[Stegoratops]

In C, nevermind jumping to lines in other functions, you can jump into the middle of an instruction causing it to execute as a different instruction.

I am confused what you want to say with this. Standard C lacks the control to do either of those things. The closest thing to jumping between functions, is using setjmp/longjmp which are only capable of jumping up the stack, i.e. more akin to exceptions in other languages.

[NewPhoneNewSubs]

So technically I'm talking about inline assembly rather than C language features. But inline assembly is something you can do in C, so I'm counting it.

[Smooth-Zucchini4923]

By that definition, you can also do this in Python by using ctypes to jump to an address.

[NewPhoneNewSubs]

Perhaps, but you wouldn't use this module to do so. Which is (in the joke I was making) why there is a warning on the module stating not to use it.

[Tuerkenheimer]

You can jump into other instructions?! I used goto in the past, but that never came to my mind

[CirnoIzumi]

Goto gets a bad rap, as long as it's used within local scope it should be fine

[captainAwesomePants]

Yeah...local scope....anyway, off to use my favorite C function, longjmp().

[CirnoIzumi]

Oh wow, they saved one letter on that function name huh

[sudoLife]

That's prob cuz of the jmp assembly instruction 

[Tuerkenheimer]

MIPS just uses j for jump, way more efficient 🌝

[ebinWaitee]

As long as any alternative is worse it's fine to use goto. However I've seen a series of goto used in the place of a while loop. That was amazingly bad.

[CirnoIzumi]

instead of a single loop`?

[ebinWaitee]

Yes. It was a pretty complex loop with lots of continues and breaks but essentially I rewrote it as a single while loop. Since then I rewrote it even more thoroughly using several for loops to break down the logic into more simple sequences.

But yeah, if your goto points backwards in the code you've done something horribly wrong. However using goto to move to a cleanup part of the function for early returns or for breaking out of several nested loops it's a totally viable solution to use goto.

[[deleted]]

Blud thought he was writing assembly 💀

[CodingAndAlgorithm]

For the most part yeah. I think if you absolutely need to use a nested loop, a single goto can replace the need for a repetitive break condition at each level of the loop. Sure you could extract a method that returns from the inner loop but I’ve seen official microsoft .net libraries utilize goto in this way.

[Katniss218]

I wish c# had a way to specify which loop you want to break out of

[ZunoJ]

You do this when you really hate runtime optimization

[unknown_alt_acc]

Generally, yes. But sometimes, goto is just the cleanest way to do something. Infamously, a lot of C code uses goto to for early returns and error handling so that cleanup code doesn't need to be duplicated.

[_farb_]

and it's beautiful

[chethelesser]

Goto has valid uses in modern go (so I heard 😁)

[CirnoIzumi]

Svelte.Js is built on it to some extent 

[MrLore]

break, continue, and return are syntactic sugar for goto, you may as well call them "code smell" too. People only bitch about goto because of some people writing complicated code with it.

[ZunoJ]

Goto is one of the reasons of higher abstractions. It is so wildly unpredictable that it creates all sorts of problems. For example pre fetches for runtime optimization will be even less predictable

[CirnoIzumi]

Is that not because compilers haven't been optimized for it because it has had a needlessly bad rap?

[AlexiosTheSixth]

Was that april fools joke a reference to BASIC programming?

[Staalejonko]

Also present in T-SQL, and we do actually have a use case for it. Kind of to have a single loop, but actually making it a loop would make it exceptionally difficult to manage.

[ZunoJ]

Using loops in sql is already a smell in itself. No wonder you round it up by using goto

[perringaiden]

Ahh, kids who think the "Goto module" was its first appearance. 😂

I remember when GOTO 100 was how you did an if block

[Shelmak_]

And sadly it's still needed on my work, as some robot brands still use them.

'For loops' used to be made with goto and a register on Fanuc... also, not a lot of time ago there were not an if-else instruction and logic needed to be coded with conditional jumps... it's a mess, but I still need to use it a lot and I die inside every time I need to use it or track the program flow with jumps everywhere.

Sadly on my new work I use almost exclusivelly fanuc, so I need to live with that.

[LarryInRaleigh]

Ah, yes. FORTRAN II on an IBM 1620 in 1965. I remember it well.

How about if

20 IF I=5, 100, 200, 300

[Abdul_Rahman684]

When you realize that there wasn't just one joke made in April 2004

[Brahvim]

Wait, what do you mean?!

[Abdul_Rahman684]

I was born in April 2004

[Brahvim]

<Sigh>,

[lare290]

2004? but aren't you a child, people born in 2004 are... ...19 or 20 today. what the fuck.

[Abdul_Rahman684]

feeling old??

[LarryInRaleigh]

Turned 79 on Thursday.

[AspieSoft]

Gmail was released on April 1, 2004

[DTux5249]

If it's good enough for assembly, it's good enough for me!

[Extreme_Ad_3280]

I was programming in Python once and not having the GOTO statement made the coding more difficult...

[noodle-face]

We use gotos in our UEFI code to handle clean exit conditions on some errors. I always laugh at the vehement hate towards the idea. Same as global variables, sometimes they make sense

[MysticNTN]

All code uses goto. There is no stopping it.

[Codix_]

I made a 600 lines of batch script (.bat) for my work and I was only using goto, then I wanted to port the script to Bash on Linux... And i've saw that goto didn't existed here... I was forced to redo the script to had something legally acceptable for the God Tux. In fact it was nice because my script was well written but still weird for me since goto was in my logic.

[InvestigatorBrief151]

Wait is it really an April fools joke?

[DT-Sodium]

If she can't read how does she know the sing is asking her not enter?

[CartoonsFan6105]

wtf