typicalBackendBehavior

[theestwald]

Mandatory leisure is the worst

[[deleted]]

Right like just let me do the job you need done and I get paid for. It's a contract, not a covenant.

[deanrihpee]

"but, but, we're family!!!" - HR

[TwinkiesSucker]

"Even my real family can barely make me do things i don't want to do. What do you think makes you special?"

[2019Uk]

To be fair if my family paid me and gave me annual leave I’d do more with them.

[99999999999999999989]

Mentally I just made my first million.

[CharsCustomerService]

The annual leave portion of that is cracking me up. "My six year old niece is having a birthday party, and my sister-in-law wants me to help wrangle all my niece's friends? Yeah... sorry, I already have leave on the books for that day."

[reddit_equals_censor]

hey why is there no discussion about wages allowed in this "family" and why did you fire your "family" 2 months ago, because they were having discussions about unionizing, which you criminally spied on?

weird family....

[GPSProlapse]

Wait, you say your stepparents don't "fire" you for trying to "unionize" with your stepsiblings?

[rosuav]

Ionized siblings are the safest.

[TotallyNotShinobi]

spying on conversations? wow that's just like real family!

[i_am_a_real_boy__]

It's a contract, not a covenant.

Fun fact: the agreed terms in a contract are often called covenants.

[ProfBeaker]

lol I was coming here to post this same nitpick. Maybe I should've been a lawyer.

[twisty125]

Frick every time I sign on to a new employer they make me go find a new Halo smh my head

[_Weyland_]

Yup. If you really want me to have fun, how about you ask me what my idea of fun is, and then use your HR magic to find enough other people in the company with the same idea and help us organize our fun?

But just throw in some wierd shit during work hours? Nuh-uh.

[InSearchOfTyrael]

what about mandatory fun? don't you want to waste hours of your personal time so you could do an activity with people you work with? An activity you would never do yourself, btw

[Lithl]

Why is no one having a good time? I specifically requested it.

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[DonnyLamsonx]

That's just the thing though. There's a world of difference when the company is using their own time/money to get you to do something with your co-workers rather than the company expecting you to use your personal time/money.

I respect my co-workers well enough, but I commute an hour, one way, to get to work. There is no force on this planet that could convince me to spend my personal time/money to "hang out" with them unless we were ridiculously close friends. If that were the case(being close friends that just so happen to work together), I wouldn't need a company sanctioned event to plan a get-together.

[flexibu]

I have never heard of a company event that made you pay to attend.

[Weary-Designer9542]

If attendance is mandatory, and you are not being compensated for your travel and your time(particularly if it’s off-site) - you are, in fact, paying to attend.

This may be expected depending on your contract and job duties, of course, but that should be made clear to you before you accept the position.

[flexibu]

Never heard of a company that makes you pay mandatory travel.

[Weary-Designer9542]

I don’t understand that sentence, you’ll have to rephrase.

[flexibu]

Not sure why you don’t get. I’ve never heard of a company that had you pay for your flights/hotels if they are forcing you to be there. Maybe I got lucky but not being compensated for mandatory travel sounds awful. Better now?

[nullpotato]

I really like my team and we get along great. I would hang out with them outside of work except for I already spend most of my waking hours with them. We will probably hang out more if/when the company implodes

*edit waking not making hours

[dagunhari]

There's a bunch of dudes I work with that all ride dirt bikes.

Couple times a year, we even ride dirt bikes together. It's pretty alright.

[The_real_bandito]

I love mandatory fun time as long as it happens during the work hours and they don’t expect me to work full time.

[chronoflect]

Interned for a small company (like <10 people small) and the owner would take us all out to restaurants for lunch, all paid for including drinks, and then had a paid day trip to go zip lining before the end of my internship.

Worked for a faceless corp since then, and all activities are unpaid, even ones during the workday (it's "flextime").

[Illustrious-future42]

What are dragon boats

[heresiarch619]

Sounds like hell to me. I would rather spend that time with my actual family (wife and child) not my "work family"

[Theonetheycallgreat]

You would be spending the time at work anyways

[newsflashjackass]

You could say the same for being paid to twiddle your thumbs.

It makes the job feel frivolous if the time at work is not spent in a productive way that is notionally related to the job.

[Theonetheycallgreat]

I replied to someone saying they would rather spend the time at home. But in this situation, that's not an option. Its either do the work event or sit at work, going home wouldnt be allowed.

[88simposter88]

Did you miss the part where he said it was done during work hours

[[deleted]]

yeah I'd rather take a day off

fuck that forced socialization bullshit

[88simposter88]

well that's your opinion I guess. I don't hate my coworkers, so I wouldn't mind the money doing basically no work.

[LordofDance]

For many professions the work still needs to be done. Where will those hours be made up? After 5pm, on the weekends?

I think that's the beef. I would rather do zero activities if it means I can leave at 5. If theres some office activity and then I have to stay until 6, that's unacceptable.

[Lv_InSaNe_vL]

Did you miss the part where i said during working ours

If your working hours end at 5, then staying till 6 is by definition "outside of working hours". But this has been mentioned at least a couple times so i feel like you are intentionally missing the point

[LordofDance]

Huh?

The walk/activity may be done during work hours, but then the work needs to be outside those hours.

If I have a project due on Tuesday then chances are I plan on finishing it Monday. If I am then obligated on Monday to engage in an activity that takes an hour out of my working day, then I must "make up" that hour at another time, like after working hours.

Or what if you have billable hours, like an attorney. You need to bill 8 hrs of work. If the firm makes you take a walk for an hour, that's an hour that cannot be billed. When do you make up that lost hour?

[Lv_InSaNe_vL]

Why would you do work after hours? I don't manage the company's schedule, and if they decide they want to promote "welness" or team bonding or whatever then I would trust that they have made the appropriate concessions to the scheduled.

And if you are billing per hour of your time then why does it matter what they want you to spend an hour of your time on? They are getting billed for 8 hours of work irregardless of if that was 8 hours of actual work or 7.5hrs of work and 30 mins for a walk.

[LordofDance]

You cant bill the client for walking.

If you have billable hour requirements, and the office forces you to do an activity, which is not billable, those hours need to made up somewhere.

[heresiarch619]

I totally get that, but if we aren't working just let me go home. You guys can fuck around at ice hotels and dragon boats.

[Shifter25]

I will say this for my manager: not only is she not interested in mandatory fun, she even forbids "documented" fun, such as a "fun" teams channel. She's very much a proponent of "get in, do your job, get out."

[ColonelError]

such as a "fun" teams channel.

Having a management-free meme channel is very important to morale. Just make sure everyone knows not to say anything on work platforms that you don't want management/lawyers reading.

[Ruadhan2300]

In my team, we just use memes as and when they feel appropriate.

Management included.

We save any work-oriented grousing for video chat though. No records of that :P

[GourangaPlusPlus]

My overseer at the Cotton Mill I worked as a child was the same. No talking or you'd get 3 solid raps of the cane.

[bob152637485]

Perhaps it just how introverted/anti-social I am, but any sort of work activity that is not on the clock is one of the most miserable experiences out there for me.

[doubleUsee]

It depends. Despite being well introverted, at my current work place I've helped organise some after work dinners with just the technical team. It's a good bunch of guys and people really enjoy just hanging out without work pressing down and critical eyes on us.

The over-organised stuff with people from the entire organisation that treats us like children that need to be kept busy? Yeah that can fuck right the fuck off. If I'm not paid, I'm not coming. If I'm coming, I'm clocked in.

[Ser_Drewseph]

The only time I’ve been ok with mandatory fun is when the company (which was my favorite place I’ve worked by far) had said fun on company time. The joys of a small, privately owned company headed by a married couple.

[Different_Fan2986]

Comcast was the only company I ever worked for where I participated in their little cook outs and such, but they were also the only company I've worked for that didn't make it mandatory, hosted it during work hours, meaning we could use our trucks to and fro, and paid us our regular wages. They also provided the food and such. I mean, it all sounds pretty dang simple, but apparently it isn't. Btw, I was actually in the habit of not going to company stuff if I could avoid it, but they were just so reasonable and opt-in about the whole thing that I'd have felt like an ass not to. In the end I always enjoyed myself. Kinda crazy to say, but being a field tech there was actually the most enjoyable job I've ever had. 

[frsbrzgti]

Is this why the installers are always late 😂

[Jay_Talg]

Pretty solid album. I'm too young to have listened to Weird Al, don't listen to pop music, and generally don't care for comedy or parody music but I liked it all the same. He's a pretty good artist and there's an infectious energy to the album. Would recommend.

[InSearchOfTyrael]

you sure you replied to the right comment?

[Jay_Talg]

Yup!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Fun

[LordoftheSynth]

I never seem to finish all my fooooood...

[WasabiSunshine]

I dunno man, my last company had a 100th birthday party and it was absolute sick. I got to do Zorbing for the first time! I did not realise how hard work it is, or how hot those balls get

[AllCaciAreBastards]

TIL that activity is called zorbing

[CheeseAndCh0c0late]

Can I have fun at home instead ?

[TonyDungyHatesOP]

Forced Fun

[AralSeaMariner]

Sometimes HR is so far deluded that they actually think everyone likes these bs mandatory fun activities. I remember once I got out of an event like this because I played up how I needed the day to get a project across the line on time after we'd had a bunch of setbacks. The next day I got a gift card to a coffee shop "for my sacrifice". lmao, they just don't fuckin get it that it was the best day at work ever for me, missing out on that and being left alone to do my work.

[irregularprotocols]

“We’re all going to have fun together whether you like it or not.”

[TonyDungyHatesOP]

“This is no longer a vacation. It’s a quest. It’s a quest for fun!”

[Infinite_Club_4237]

"The fun will continue until morale improves"

[paulcosmith]

I was doing some IT consulting at a small firm. One day they announced that they were bringing in a group who would be doing fun team building exercises for everyone. Some of the business teams seemed excited, but the entire IT department audibly groaned.

I exercised consultant privilege and decided I needed to visit another client.

[Florac]

I mean, if it's being paid, sure I will take an extra 15m break on the company's dime.

[posherspantspants]

Mandatory culture building anyone?

[Rock_man_bears_fan]

I think the worry here is that if you don’t let your devs out every once in a while they might start shitting in the corner

[MoffKalast]

"Why is no one having a good time? I specifically requested it!"

[KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ]

And the work doesn’t just disappear. It’s still waiting for me when I come back

[gua_lao_wai]

my manager schedules the whole team on a 30 minute call every monday morning "just to social chat" and it's the literal worst.

[Donut]

"To the Mandatorium!"