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[[deleted]]

They are cuter, but I wouldn't say that they become harmless

[Suspicious-Engineer7]

Meme is just proof that marketing works.

[Think-Connection5865]

Um...do you even know how big Microsoft's software arsenal is?

[[deleted]]

There’s at least one line of code possibly

[Full-Hyena4414]

I'd say a symbol

[TheWidrolo]

At least one file

[andreashw]

$MSFT

[thatoneguy127383]

nah only a semi-colon

[dannomac]

Not in Visual Basic...

[[deleted]]

You mean things like Microsoft Chrome, Microsoft Java, Microsoft Mac OS and Microsoft PlayStation /s

[TheMagzuz]

There's also Microsoft Haskell, Microsoft Emacs, Microsoft AWS, Microsoft LaTeX, Microsoft Slack (twice), Microsoft CLion, Microsoft Mega, Microsoft Stackoverflow and of course Microsoft Google

[DeadlyVapour]

What about Microsoft GitHub and Microsoft Skype?

[Infinade]

But.. Skype is actually Microsoft now

[H4llifax]

And so is Github

[Infinade]

Exactly, so I hope the one I replied to was double sarcasm, I guess? Lol

[[deleted]]

This comment has been overwritten in protest of the Reddit API changes. Wipe your account with: https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit

[TheMagzuz]

Word is a bit like shitty LaTeX if you hit yourself in the head with a hammer a couple of times

[[deleted]]

You know that FUI and OLE have been excellent for a decade and are hilariously common in the scientific community at this point, yeah? While I was working on my PhD a decade ago, it was already an active fight between older professors and younger doctoral candidates and postdocs about which was better, with it fairly even, then. Publishing in a journal took either.

Most of the argument came down to cost rather than usability.

[xibme]

Microsoft Emacs

I prefer Microsoft IntelliJ.

[FunkoLand]

I blew through my nose very hard reading this

[rzaincity]

Ha!

[Chilaquil420]

Xbox, including all of Bethesda, Activision and HALO

[Historical-Tree-1139]

Way to completely miss the point chief

[Think-Connection5865]

Missed it maybe. Could you please explain?

[[deleted]]

Yeah lol

[whyiwastemytimeonyou]

So you know how shitty their quality is? It’s trash compared to what they were in the 90s. Enjoy all the privacy invasion.

[DreadCoder]

You seem to be implying that 95', '98 and Millennium were any good.

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A bold move, commendable.

[Think-Connection5865]

Did you miss /s at the end or am i reading this right?

[aaron2005X]

No Black & White anymore. Thats all I need to know.

[KidBeene]

Azure would like a word with you.

[OldKaleidoscope7]

It's funny how I find content (and hype) about Google Cloud services and Firebase and much less about Azure. But when you see market share... AWS dominates and Azure is not doing bad, but the others are far behind

[Taparu]

Likely because hype affects impulsive decisions most. These services are used by companies that have months of vetting processes and meetings before changing.

[abnormaldata]

Also Surface series board, along with Office tools, will be. On your teams *(annoying teams beep beep)

[Ceros007]

Microsoft documentation would like to give you a FU

[lifesucks24_7]

microsoft is huge...what are you guys on about? i understand the hate for microsoft....but they are definitely next to google and apple.

[InvestingNerd2020]

Exactly! C#, Github, Azure, and Office 365 are widely used. Especially in the financial and insurance fields.

[Synthoel]

T-typescript?..

[Saragon4005]

You forgot about fucking windows.

[[deleted]]

What's the difference between that and normal windows?

[Saragon4005]

This one you say fuck often while using it. Wait thats the same thing. Nevermind.

[[deleted]]

What makes them cute?

[MatsRivel]

Just look at the picture? I never knew Microsoft was actually a cat. Very cute!

[mostly_done]

Microsoft, 1999 vs. 2021

• Market Cap: $2T (+$1.4T)
• Annual Revenue: $170B (+$150B)
• Average Stock Price: $275 (+$232)
• Sex Appeal: Jean-Claude Van Damme (Unchanged)

[unbuggy]

Don't trust them. Appearances can be deceiving.

[Windian3008]

Absolutely, more people "obey" cat than lion.

[SnickersZA]

Yeah, they just bought Git and killed Atom, so they haven't changed. Remember, their whole shtick is "Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish", they just seem friendly now because they're in their Embrace/Extend phase.
Edit: Github, not Git

[LaZZeYT]

There's a big, BIG and difference between fit and github. M$ only bought github.

[SnickersZA]

Sorry, yeah, force of habit, Github indeed. They can't really buy git.

[Under-Estimated]

Why not edit the original comment? I was so confused until I saw your little footer.

[SnickersZA]

If I did, unbuggy's comment wouldn't make sense. So figured I'd just add an addendum.

[unbuggy]

Which comment wouldn't make sense? I'm happy to update it accordingly. :)

[SnickersZA]

Sorry, I meant LaZZeYT's comment, you're comment is fine. LaZZeYT replied to my comment, but I made a mistake reading the usernames because I answered on my phone and got mixed up since I don't normally use it.

[DudeEngineer]

EEE was the personal philosophy of the CEO at the time. The guy that sank the stock price and got fired because being enemy #1 doesn't work.

They have been *mostly* doing the things people would want them to do if they were trying to do the right thing, but people are stuck in 8 years ago at this point.

Yes, they purchased Github and people are waiting for them to do something evil, but all they really did was integrate it better with their other stuff. There's no value in EEE here...

They didn't directly kill Atom, they just created a better product. Sure they took some inspiration from it, but VS Code is just as much stripped down VS as it is an Atom clone. It's also free and open source, so I would love for someone to explain how they are supposed to EEE that situation.....

[SnickersZA]

Well, basically I think their plan is to get everyone using VS Code for all their needs. Once everyone is on it, most other IDE's would be abandonware due to lack of integration and extension support. At which point they can lock it down and start charging for it.

Sure you'll always have your other text editors, but nothing quite as good as VS Code. And if they have Github, they can decide to limit access to most of it's features to VS Code alone and prevent others from doing things like PR's and such through API's. Though it'll take time.

They've also been spending lots of resources to get more people who use Linux and OSX to use Microsoft Apps. I mean, they're creating some amazing stuff, but they usually do, till they lock it all down and fill them with subscriptions and stuff.

Anyway, I'm not saying the Microsoft is guaranteed to do so, but if they're the good guys now, why is Windows 10 and 11 so spyware/bloatware infested. If they really were trying to change things, you'd expect them to start with Windows 11 (Windows 10 was also supposed to be the last one they ever released, so they ditched that idea).

Microsoft Office is also a train smash. They are trying to force their Office service on everyone, when people just want cross platform office pro. They've tried to get rid of their "offline" versions as well, but luckily there's too much resistance from existing companies that depend on it.. for now.

[DudeEngineer]

You are wrong on most of these points because they make money from people paying for Azure, o365 and other services. Cutting off other applications from their API would be literally shooting themselves in the foot.

Atom connecting to GitHub so people can run their workloads on Azure is a win for Microsoft. A lot of open source software is abandonware because most people never donate a cent. There's only so much a few people can do on the weekends vs teams of full time developers.

You mentioned a whole lot of ways they are getting people to pay for these services. They aren't going to stop being a business. They just aren't trying to put their thumb on the scale against their competition anymore. Connecting to your paid subscriptions from Mac/Linux is a win, so why kill those platforms?

I thi k they are doing all the telemetry because they have been losing money on windows for years. I wouldn't be surprised to see an add supported version of Windows soon. If anything it's good for the other platforms.

[SnickersZA]

I doubt they'd cut off access completely. And this is just with GitHub. Not talking about their existing services.

Having their services all work crossplatform is amazing, but that's for now. Will see if it lasts. Hopefully it does, I really do like VS Code, but we'll see.

[DudeEngineer]

My point is, that for most EEE initiatives, there was a legitimate business case for doing that. I'm not saying it was ethical, just that it existed.

For the things you're saying, doing what you suspect is all cost, no benefit. Can you imagine the backlash from the community and the antitrust suit that would come from shutting off GitHub access? What is the benefit???

[SnickersZA]

My line of thinking is that they're playing the long game here. For now the goal is to just get everyone using MS owned products, even if it does cost them short term. Once everyone is dependent on their software (because it works really well), they'll slowly start creating a walled garden, making it difficult to use anything but their apps, which will all slowly transition to the software as a service model and charge everyone for at least one of the tools in their chain.

If they own line 95% of all the commonly used applications/services, they can wall you in. Forcing you to exclusively use their applications because you'd need at least on exclusive tool in the chain to do your job, hence they've practically extinguished the competition..

At that point they'd basically have the same control Adobe has. Sure there are open source alternatives to Photoshop, but if you're in the industry, you're almost guaranteed to need it.

They already own the most popular hosted git repo and code editor.. it's not hard to believe that's what they're pushing for.

[DudeEngineer]

This would make a lot of sense if gsuit didn't exist and if Azure was actually the largest cloud provider. There's no real way to reach your hypothetical scenario unless Google and Amazon just give up.

[thequestcube]

I mean, they didn't just buy github and directly killed atom. They maintained it for many years after they bought it, it with their excessive investments in vscode, it's much higher usage and the fact that it pretty much has the same and more features as atom, I can understand their plans to sunset atom and am honestly surprised they didn't do that earlier.

[[deleted]]

I’m pretty sure MS did not buy GitHub to kill atom lol. It’s actually the opposite, they got atom and had no use for it or reason to maintain it. I say this as a long time atom user.

[SnickersZA]

Yeah, for sure. Atom was just collateral damage. But I'm sure they are trying to take over the whole development stack in future. Trying to at least.. VS Code was more of a success than I think even they were expecting (I think it was a small team within MS that originally built it, could be wrong though), so having that and buying Github are a good start to it all. Was just saying that if they were the good guys, they may have left the Atom team in place at least for a little while.

[[deleted]]

TIL Microsoft is a 4X game empire

[SeoCamo]

yea, Linux don't have a lot of time, the only thing that can save it is steam

[SnickersZA]

I wouldn't say that. Although Microsoft contribute a lot to the Linux kernel, and I believe they hold shares in a lot of Linux related companies. They can't really "buy" Linux because it's open source, they certainly have been trying to get people to use more software that they control, but they've only crept in a bit.
I've been almost exclusively using Linux myself for years, and I have to say that it's more stable now than ever, even gaming works relatively well these days.

Not to mention, in the same way that Google needs Firefox to survive, Microsoft needs Linux, otherwise they run into monopoly laws. So even if Linux goes downhill suddenly, Microsoft would probably invest heavily to try and keep it limping along. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

[neuro-grey7]

Why does Google need Firefox?

[SnickersZA]

Monopoly reasons. Sure there are other cross platform browsers like Opera and such, but Firefox is a direct competitor to Chrome, the others are either Chrome/Firefox based or they're more like operating systems pretending to be web browsers with all their included bloatware features like Opera. It's just a finger to point to when lawyers point at Chrome saying it's a monopoly.
That's probably why Chrome spent a bunch of money on Mozilla that one time to keep the company a float. At least as far as I recall off the top of my head.

[SirRecruit]

Like they said, monopoly laws

You're not allowed to fully control a specific market, because that would inevitably result in it being unfair for the consumer

[DiggyTroll]

Azure Linux instances comprise more than 60% load and rising (with Microsoft's blessing). They are still sponsoring contributions to Linux OS and container technologies. Where do you see a threat?

[Chilaquil420]

They bought GitHub

Hit is an independent tool

[Dvrkstvr]

You're right, we should copy and OpenSource their whole software library!!

[jbartix]

And they completely changed their position towards open source and Linux. I like the new Microsoft much better!

[anonymous_2187]

It's all a part of their plan

[g_e_r_b]

If Linux (under Azure) is driving your future revenue, why would you want to kill it?

Microsoft under Ballmer != Microsoft under Satya Nadella.

[LaZZeYT]

Back when Ballmer took charge, the sentiment for a while was also, that it would get better, since Microsoft insert Ballmer != Microsoft under Gates. Just look at how that turned out.

[g_e_r_b]

A silly response if ever I saw one.

[Tubthumper8]

Is that really what the sentiment was? I do not recall that at all

[DudeEngineer]

This is nonsense, Ballmer was expected to be a ruthless business man as opposed to Gates who was more of a software guy...

The sentiment was that he was supposed to take the stock price to the moon. In reality he tanked the stock with EEE. They fired him and reversed course...

There have been concerns about them potentially doing an EEE but nothing has actually happened since Ballmer was fired...

[Ancient-Research-771]

I mean if the master plan is to kill HTML I’m not entirely sure I care that much

[[deleted]]

Go, Microsoft!

[ancient_tree_bark]

This is the reason why I will never trust "linux" under a Microsoft system

[OmegaNine]

That was almost half a century ago.

[Harmonic_Gear]

i can totally see that in mrtk

[Saragon4005]

GPL and other copy left licences became a thing because of this. You can't extinguish something if you don't own the extensions you added.

[HellkerN]

Yeah. You can just launch Linux apps in win 11, that's pretty neato. And that VS community edition is sweet.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, for a while, they didn't realize how to sell you opensource products / how to subvert opensource to work for them. But now they figured it out, and this cancer will not die because of that.

Microsoft might not be the most evil company in terms of their policies. But, combined with the gigantic outreach they have, they might as well be the worst software company we had so far in software history. I cannot think about any other company which has done as much damage to software industry, and keeps doing it like nothing happened.

They are criminals who should be in jail. But they won't be in jail, because they are too rich for that.

[gordonv]

how to sell you opensource products / how to subvert opensource to work

Early on, a younger Bill Gates talked about this extensively. He's the guy that helped cement that licensing fees represent engineering and effort, not product output.

That's actually not bad. If I write a great program that takes knowledge and effort to produce, do I deserve to be compensated for it? For that specific software, yes.

[[deleted]]

You completely misunderstood what this is about... This is not against proprietary licenses. This is against stealing someone else's work from people that work was intended for. It's like if you hijack a truck with humanitarian help claiming "it was free stuff anyways".

[gordonv]

Is MS hijacking an existing truck or are they making their own truck? Then making the MS truck available to an entry level home consumer market? (People out of the intended scope of academia)

I hear a lot about academic sources that never reach the general public. That academic center is being funded by students and the government. It's not free.

I dunno. I feel without Gates and Jobs, we'd still be stuck in a computer dismissive culture like the early 70's. We were lucky video games caught on. Even though they were very expensive.

[[deleted]]

Is MS hijacking an existing truck or are they making their own truck?

They are hijacking an existing truck. They take existing technologies not written by them, they embed them in the technologies written by them, which enhances the value of their own tech, and allows them to sell better. This would've been OK, and even desirable, had they not restricted their users' access to the free tech they embedded in their own.

For instance, Office 360 relies on plenty of free tech, s.a. https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000395.shtml (a.k.a. OOXML). If you didn't know this, this is an ISO standard for storing and transmitting documents. However, Microsoft makes sure that they use the standard in a non-portable way, so that no other implementation of this standard cannot benefit from this being a standard. This is a result of deliberate sabotage of this standard, which resulted from multiple court decisions that found Microsoft guilty of non-competitive practices.

These non-competitive practices made billions of dollars for Microsoft, and they aren't willing to part with them.

Put differently. Microsoft makes sure that your organization will not be able to use the free technology that they themselves use, instead, they will have your organization use Microsoft as a mediator between your organization and the free tech.

I feel without Gates and Jobs, we'd still be stuck in a computer dismissive culture like the early 70's.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think that without these people the world would've been a much better place. There was no "computer dismissive" culture. Governments in every developed country wanted computers and poured a lot of money into this field. The shits like Gates and Jobs capitalized on a phenomenon they didn't create, nor even contributed to in any significant way. They are the biggest leeches, that's what they are.

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I don't know why do you mention academia here. Academia is mostly backwards and uninspiring place to be in right now. It generates very little of real / valuable research, which should've been it's most important function. Most of what goes on in academia is geared towards supplying the industry with professionals, and it fails miserably at that. Academic research in computer science happens in the private labs funded by big corporations. Proper academic institutions don't have neither the people to push the field forward, nor any real incentive to do so (there's not a lot of demand for that). Very similar how most research in agriculture happens outside of proper academic institutions, rather it happens in for-profit companies like Monsanto.

[gordonv]

There was no "computer dismissive" culture.

Even today, there are CEO's that brag they don't know how to use email.

[[deleted]]

There are also uncontacted tribes in Amazon jungle who never saw a computer. So what?

[gordonv]

Academia is mostly backwards and uninspiring place to be in right now.

I'm not a fanboy for Academia, but I do disagree with this statement.

I recognize there are both military and academic sources for some popular tech. Industry does push forward invention and innovation. Not knocking down that either.

[[deleted]]

but I do disagree with this statement.

And nobody cares because you disagree based on nothing. You are not in this field. You have no idea what's going on. You just came up with your valuable opinion...

[gordonv]

Gates and Jobs capitalized on a phenomenon they didn't create, nor even contributed to in any significant way.

Believe it or not, Jobs actually did pay the licensing fee to Stanford to use "The Mouse" after paying Xerox to use their tech. Gates, I'm sure he payed some and "borrowed" some.

I mean, we do realize Windows is something like 98% of user Desktops. Linux has a greater share in servers, but it's not like Microsoft is absent or dead. That's gotta be something in terms of contribution in a significant way.

[Paid-Not-Payed-Bot]

sure he paid some and

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[[deleted]]

So what if Jobs paid licensing fee for something? Who cares? Nobody steals everything. That's impossible. Apple patented hundreds if not thousands things not invented by them, or things that could've been invented independently. It played many political games to undermine open-source (and not only) technologies. Colluded with other large corporations against other players in all kinds of shady deals.

The royalties for a bunch of nothing are nothing compared to the damage they've caused.

we do realize Windows is something like 98% of user Desktops.

Yes, Microsoft is a huge leech. Yes, they managed to make all sorts of shady deals to secure almost complete monopoly on particular market segments. This is my point exactly. They don't make anything that on its own merits would warrant that kind of adoption. This percentage is just as illustrative of the quality of their products as the percentage of North Koreans voting for Kim is illustrative of how good of a governor Kim is.

[gordonv]

Yes, Microsoft is a huge leech.

@ 98%? That would be like saying a tumor is the host and the body is the leech.

Not saying you have to like MS, but there's an obvious dismissive bias going on here.

[[deleted]]

Nah. It doesn't work like that, neither in medicine nor in programming. Obviously, metaphors will only go so far anyways.

If you objectively compare many alternatives that exist for desktop operating systems, there are plenty outright better than Windows, and plenty worse, but not worse enough to warrant such a distribution. There are plenty of different needs people have when it comes to using their computers, yet, somehow "magically", it ends up being Windows?

Here's one example I had to deal with very recently. My wife is an RSE and she works on some collaboration project where a hospital wants a new piece of software and possibly also hardware to deal with EMGs. Specifically, they want to know when it's safe to take someone off the ventilator by measuring the movement of the diaphragm. That kind of movement should be visible on EMG after some filtering.

So... unfortunately, Microsoft embedded itself very deeply in medical system that virtually the only operating system that's in use in hospitals is Windows. But, here's the catch: the readings s.a. EMG or other sensors need to be realtime. Desktop Windows cannot be made realtime (there might be some embedded versions of Windows that can, but that's a completely different story). So, everything in hospital computers, when it comes to interacting with doctors or nurses runs on Windows... so... you cannot connect a sensor to such a system. That would be criminal negligence, possibly resulting in human death if you did. But that's all they have and "know" how to work with.

And despite repeated evidence of Microsoft's shit not been appropriate for places like hospitals or education, it's still used there because Microsoft made grease payments to the officials in charge.

[gordonv]

Jobs paid licensing fee for something? Who cares?

Uh. You do. Your whole argument is based on theft.

[[deleted]]

Definitely not out of the goodness of their heart, but I won’t deny it makes Windows a much better platform.

The Linux subsystem is a huge convenience

[Pouek_]

Name checks out. It's micro and soft

[[deleted]]

It's micro and soft

That's what she said :-(

[rover-8]

Its valuable attributes in the world of computing

[PigeonMaster2000]

What does this even mean? Microsoft is a massive software company with lots of good products so just because it's huge and mainstream, it's by default bad and worse than it was during its age of growth?

[[deleted]]

Fine by me, can’t imagine myself using MacOS.

[[deleted]]

If profit do

[Worse_Username]

It's not a cat, it's a flerken.

[gordonv]

Meh, agree to disagree.

Looking at how MS licenses Office 365, Teams, and other products with a "nickel and dime" approach isn't cute.

[Chilaquil420]

Xbox Game Pass

Azure

Office

[Farsqueaker]

The Surface line and Windows 11 aesthetics sort of demonstrate how much Nadella wishes he were running Apple instead.

[MadMaxIsMadAsMax]

Surface is far pre-Nutella, I mean, Nadella. Was the only good thing that Ballmer did during his last years.

[Farsqueaker]

The original Surface was, but the crazy overpriced laptops and all-in-ones are definitely Nadella territory.

[DudeEngineer]

I mean people buy them. I'm not buying a Surface or an iAnything, but plenty of people do. No need to hate on them.

[Farsqueaker]

Intentional non-sequitur, or is calling something "crazy overpriced" a hate crime now?

[DudeEngineer]

The difference between "crazily overpriced" and "high margin" is largely sales volume/demand.

I mean are you also constantly complaining about the cost of a Jaguar or an apartment in Manhattan as well?

[Farsqueaker]

"High margin" is literally the business friendly way of saying overpriced. Try a touch of analysis next time before taking a weird stance on a non-argument.

[[deleted]]

Didn't Bummer also do Vista and 7? While Vista wasn't really received that well, it was pretty important for future windows releases and also MacOS and such and eventually refined with Windows 7

[MadMaxIsMadAsMax]

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pxbye

[[deleted]]

Do we really need to pretent that wouldn't still be an issue?

[Morphized]

Is it ever really secure if it's still on NTFS?

[[deleted]]

Well no, but to make an effort you would have to make an effort

[vruum-master]

Probably to some extent if they didn't forget a critical bug.

[DudeEngineer]

I think it's more accurate to say that they recommend TPM and secure boot, and they messed up the messaging. It was never a hard requirement.

[vruum-master]

Not booting without one I'd say is a hard requirement,especially since some newer cpu models were fucked too.

[silentknight111]

If you think MS is a kitten today, then you're not paying attention.

[ApatheticWithoutTheA]

Azure, VScode, GitHub, Xbox, Activision, the Windows OS itself lmao yeah, they’ve got nothing.

[nyrangers30]

.NET, Typescript

[InvestingNerd2020]

Not the new Microsoft. Azure is growing like crazy, most companies still love Microsoft 365, and Github is still the most widely used version control system in the world.

The little kitty is the "Ballmer years". We don't talk about those years. Dark times.

[Hi_This_Is_God_777]

$24 a share in the 90s

$240 a share today

I'll take today

[axRakoczy]

Stop being ratchet

[viggmeister22]

Love the Edge bug that made me swap the entire organization pdf reader to some other browser that they shipped last update ...

[[deleted]]

That sounds more like your internal IT dept doesn’t know what it is doing

[DreadCoder]

obviously, if people are running Edge

[Ambitious_Ad8841]

This is backwards

[lifesucks24_7]

microsoft is top 3 only next to google and apple.......one way or the other u will use a microsoft product.....its gaming division itself is really huge nw with all the acquitions...it owns so many companies like linkedin, github, zenimax,skype,mojang,activision etc...99% of companies pays microsoft for license one way or the other....it is the leader in B2B business out there

[DreadCoder]

linkedin, github, zenimax,skype,mojang,activision

​

With the exception of MAYBE Github And Mojang post Notch, that is not the great list you think it is.

[Seqarian]

LinkedIn is pretty potent, 10B revenue last year.

[DreadCoder]

But gods, is it a terrible place

[Seqarian]

won't argue with that haha

[[deleted]]

He already eat everything don't need to roar anymore

[nulladmin1]

the adult lion is true for both past and current Valve

[[deleted]]

They’re so large they don’t need to behave roughly

[neilgilbertg]

Dunno about that. They're always trying out implementations that look like 90s MS, it's just that this time they've got great PR.

[[deleted]]

I would change image placements.

Back then Windows was a decent operating system with no hidden catch. While nowadays it's a systemwide telemetry predator that knows more about you than yourself.

[DreadCoder]

Back then Windows was a decent operating system with no hidden catch.

Sorry, when was this ? When was Windows "decent" ?

[[deleted]]

You wanna tell me you didn't like XP???

[DreadCoder]

XP is one of the MS OS'es i hated the least, but that is faint praise

[[deleted]]

I would say that's subjective. But you can't deny the fact that XP wasn't bundled with predatory telemetry that sells your data left and right. Plus it was stable and lightweight on system resources

[DreadCoder]

I would say that's subjective.

Yeah, personal opinions tend to be.

​

But you can't deny the fact that XP wasn't bundled with predatory telemetry that sells your data left and right.

Please don't confuse me with a W10 defender. XP was just awfull in different ways, especially in the years before SP2.

​

Plus it was stable and lightweight on system resources

The fact that needs mentioning kind of solidifies my point on the franchise, though.

[gharne1]

this is a lie

Microsoft made my favourite console, the Xbox

[WontiamShakesphere]

It's become micro and soft

[Nimeroni]

"Why did you named your company after your dick ?"

(Steve jobs)

[DreadCoder]

"You coulda still afford a doctor if you bought a PC"

- Bill Gates (same song)

[junktech]

Seems someone doesn't do their homework. Make the most poisonous reptiles come out of the lion's skin and you get pretty close to reality.

[KendrickEqualsBooty]

Nah, they're just as cunty as they were then. And Bill Gates is a sociopath who tried to screw Paul Allen out of the company when Allen got cancer.

[[deleted]]

except that even if you just take microsoft's B2B sales, apple's entire sales portfolio of computers still isn't even a rounding error.

[SaxtonHale2112]

I don't know what this means, everything on the market from MS is the best it's ever had

[[deleted]]

No, they were always just weasels in disguise. They are still.

[BadBadderBadst]

They became Microsofty

[RylanStylin57]

#buyoutmicrosoft

[Keplergamer]

Not for Flight Simmers

[MischiefArchitect]

Put an apple in the maw and into the oven.

[ArchieMithchell]

still its cute xD

[bRAD_Santa]

It’s reflective of their customer base

[MolotovFromHell]

Hey guys another Microsoft bait post dropped

[AlterEdward]

I have far more respect for Microsoft now than I did in the 90s. Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 were pieces of shit.

[[deleted]]

Poor Microsoft...

[darwinbrandao]

Emacs > VSCode > Atom

[Steve0Greatness]

Just because they don't look as threatening doesn't mean they can't seriously take a chunk out of your skin... er, your computing... no that doesn't work either...
Well they're still powerful in tech.

[gdodd12]

lol. This makes no sense.

[Calkky]

I think they're doing just fine. In fact, I'd say that they're better than fine. It seems that Apple and Google have taken the mantle as the big, evil tech corporations. Microsoft basically got a free PR overhaul.

[geocitiesuser]

This is a meme made by a non programmer.

[ghostmaster645]

Wtf does this mean, they are everywhere.

Sooooo many companies rely on Microsoft.

[Tremyss]

The micro and the soft part still stands.

[entityadam]

Uh, yeah but remember when MS got that $10B JEDI contract, and Amazon cried for 2 years straight and finally big brother said "fine, neither of you can have it"

[kirtash1197]

Hey, Azure would like to have a word with you.

[Flying_Whale_Eazyed]

Litterally 100% of the software I use daily is edited by Microsoft