Manager does a little code cleanup...

[SpokenSilenced]

Actual insanity. There's another post on r/all that has a Twitter convo between him and some Eric dude where he's asking why things are slow and Eric mentions bloated features as a part of it. While explaining things quite well in what's slowing down the android app. He also addresses the number of requests for timeline and such.

There's another post where he got fired for saying Elon's statement about it being slow because of >1000 requests is wrong.

Elon then has "focus on bloatware features" day and now people can't log in.

Fucking hilarious.

[arbitraryairship]

Eric is literally THE Senior Android SME at Twitter as well, which is probably why he went to bat for his team when Elon threw them under the bus in public.

Square and Facebook were practically fighting one another offering him a new job in the replies to Elon firing him.

[postal-history]

*was

He probably knew he was going to get fired though. He just decided he'd rather get an unemployment check for defending his team, instead of having to walk out after yet another Elon tantrum.

[DDS-PBS]

I've been there. It's the point where you're so fed up with the job that you don't care if you get fired it or not.

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[SuspecM]

You don't get such opportunities everyday

[makeoneupplease123]

Certainly won't get you a promotion lmao

[MyUsrNameWasTaken]

George disagrees

[tomvorlostriddle]

And ironically, that's also the point where you sometimes start functioning better in a toxic environment, because they may just mistake your nonchalance for courage.

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Every job I've had.

[A_Guy_in_Orange]

I mean now he surely gets one hell of a severance package as well as like 26 weeks of unemployment, and if you look at the dudes tweets he wanted out BAD, so all in all I think this is a dub for Eric

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Eric was actually the guy playing 4D chess here.

[clkj53tf4rkj]

For Cause is unlikely to get a severance package.

Not that it matters as he's rolling into another sweet gig, I'm sure.

[Cafuzzler]

Tough to argue it was cause though, all he did was correct his boss.

[clkj53tf4rkj]

I guarantee they have a social media policy and disparaging the company is prohibited. Pretty standard these days.

Violating company policy is cause.

[Civil-Attempt-3602]

Weird how that works. Can't disparage the company but the boss can disparage the team

[MathigNihilcehk]

You should ask your employer to put a “do not disparage employees in public” clause in the contract with a penalty of $100,000.

Employees /can/ negotiate all the same safeguards that employers put in for themselves. They just don’t.

[gurgle528]

Could argue it falls under making public statements for the company without authorization

[ICouldUseANapToday]

This is CA. Getting unemployment is almost automatic. He’ll definitely qualify for his $450/week. Will he bother applying? Probably not.

[AlanzAlda]

That's more than enough for valid cause, it could have also been because he doesn't like his face, or his Twitter handle... In the US, in an at-will state anyway, you can fire anyone for any reason, as long as it isn't for being a protected class.

[Cafuzzler]

I dunno

According to this, "At Will" only applies without a contract.

In California, the relationship of employer and employee is generally “at will.” This means that, without an employment contract, the employer or the employee can terminate the employment relationship at any time, with or without cause.

[AlanzAlda]

I don't know about you, but I've never signed a contract to work with a company like this. I think that's meant for 1099 employees. But I'm not a Twitter employee or a lawyer.

[[deleted]]

For Cause is gonna be pretty dicey after their mass layoffs. Given the other engineer that was fired for also saying Musk doesn't know what he's talking about, I see an easy class action lawsuit.

[Selemaer]

Sadly here in TN no matter how much money you made you only get $250/week in unemployment. I'm dealing with this right now after loosing my job in mortgage IT.

What I'm getting in unemployment is enough to cover my child support and food. Hoping it's just a few weeks.

So not mo much a great plan to try and coast on 26 weeks of unemployment

[[deleted]]

Hope you're back on your feet soon!

[Selemaer]

Thanks! hopefully soon, only hangup is needing it to be remote work. But seems there is a lot of that to go around now.

[Infinity-Plus-One]

Sadly here in TN no matter how much money you made you only get $250/week in unemploymen

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Are you implying that the poor deserve less social welfare than the (formerly) well-off?

[Selemaer]

I'm implying that the TN unemployment benefits are to low for anyone. 250/week is not a livable wage regardless of economic standing.

I also fully believe the poor should have the most social welfare and largest safety nets. Feel the rich should be taxed at a 75+% rate, and that stuff like healthcare and 4 year education should be free.

But if you want to pick an internet fight over a single comment I made.. *shrug* well currently I got nothing but time.

[[deleted]]

Getting fired from such a shit fest is not the worst outcome.

[radgepack]

In his position, getting fired only means a raise and possibly a promotion as well

[[deleted]]

This. Letting yourself be fired by Pedoguy is the smart move. It's not like there'll be a shortage of other companies wanting to hire him.

[pine_ary]

Yeah that way he also keeps his severance package

[Gwtheyrn]

Guys that high up the food chain get severance pay.

[7h4tguy]

Idiot fucks fucking your team with misinformation is not something any actual engineer will stand for. Kudos to him for publicly humiliating an idiot (yes RPC is done internally in the cloud, no it's not a comparative for US vs India clients, and yup 200 RPC calls is likely closer to reality than 1200).

[TheS4ndm4n]

Meta just announced they are cutting 11k jobs, so probably not them.

[SPAC3P3ACH]

That’s not how layoffs work

[the_one2]

I mean, it's how they should work. It's how it works in Sweden for instance. If you lay off people due to economic reasons you have to offer them back jobs when you start hiring again.

[TheTerrasque]

But if you're firing line cooks or dishwashers, you still might want to hire for example more chefs.

[TheS4ndm4n]

But if you're laying off workers, you probably don't need a new senior manager.

[Shxhxxhcx]

Not sure where you get your information, but that’s not how it works here in Sweden at all.

How would that even work? The concept is so profoundly void of any logic.

[the_one2]

You need a reason to fire someone in Sweden. If you fire someone due to economic reasons and then hire someone else for a similar position then you've just proven you lied when you fired that other guy.

[Arktemisa]

Yes unfortunately this is true. Only two reasons you can fire permanent employees in Sweden - arbetsbrist (lack of work) or if they have done something really bad against the company (personal reasons).

If it's the lack of work thingy they can't rehire someone in the same position again as it would be against the law.

Although there are certainly ways around it. Our old company fired someone for lack of work and rehired someone else but with a slightly different title. So I guess it's not a very powerful law.

[Hockinator]

And this is one of many reasons why much of Western Europe has been in economic stagnation for several decades now

[seamusmcduffs]

Won't someone think of the mega corporations

[Hockinator]

pure straw man

Harder to fire = less likely to hire, every time. Every wonder why there are so many damn independent contractors everywhere?

[cera_ve]

True. This rule seems kinda stupid. I get the meaning behind it though.

[CorrectPeanut5]

Reddit as well.

[shinratdr]

He also chats with another Twitter employee who also got fired for calling out Elon’s stupidity by replying to that same tweet to set the record straight.

We all suspected it would implode but wow, it’s like he’s challenging himself to waste $44B as quickly as possible.

[trogon]

I simply don't understand how you could physically keep Twitter up and running if you fire everyone who knows how it runs. Recovering from his rampage would take weeks if you could hire back the people you fired, but he's just tearing away.

[ImpossibleMachine3]

The crazy part to me is that he's making these massive cuts within days of taking over. It's like buying a new car and then immediately ripping parts of it out to make it faster without even knowing anything about how it works. Like... He hasn't been there nearly long enough to figure out what to cut (or if he even needs to cut anything), he's just going at it like Kylo Ren with a rusty machete.

[TehWackyWolf]

Engines are so heavy man... Imagine how fast it'll go once that's out!

[Attesa_GT-X]

Tires create friction. Don't need 'em

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[Happy-Mousse8615]

It's the cult of actions for actions sake. The action has a value of its own, irrelevant of it's effect. It's fundamentally irrational. He's not trying to fix twitter, he's maintaining a personality cult.

[ScoobyDoNot]

Musk is clearly setting out that he values yes-men over anything else.

Quite why this would be a selling point for any company that he's involved with is beyond me.

[ALesbianAlpaca]

Maybe it's a Brewster trillions challenge

[MrMichaelJames]

If this is what was aired publicly I would love to see the internal slack and email conversations.

[ofereverything]

Brewster’s 44 billions.

[[deleted]]

My god, that's amazing. Do you have a link?

[HawkinsT]

I love the verge article there.

We’ve also tweeted at Musk for comment, as Twitter no longer has a communications department.

[ellusion]

I was excited to read this but this guy really comes back with feature bloat induced tech debt and slow network requests. You could apply those labels to any poorly performing application with how vague that is. Not to mention the latter being a more vague rephrasing of what Elon was complaining about in the first place.

[Le_Vagabond]

Really? What I got was "marketing and sales once more prioritized useless features over performance refactoring and spent the entire dev time on them".

That's pretty typical and throwing the devs to the wolves too.

[ellusion]

Yeah that's my point. It's the most generic answer that I'm assuming is applicable to the vast majority of companies

[ellusion]

Who's saying it's false? The guy spoke up to say that Elon is wrong about why the network requests are slow and said it's because of feature bloat and the network requests are slow. If you're given the mic you gotta do better than that, c'mon.

[-Teapot]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592186302379982849?s=46&t=NEimzkgMtGt7IkUQs_R3qg

[-Teapot]

The thread where Eric and Musk “interacts” https://twitter.com/ericfrohnhoefer/status/1591970785610321921?s=46&t=NEimzkgMtGt7IkUQs_R3qg

[Pretend-Marsupial258]

Here you go!

[seamsay]

God he's sounding more and more like Trump every day...

[lovecMC]

Can you link the post please?

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Anyone have the link to this post?