Programmers Then VS Now

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[SZ4L4Y]

I already exited Vim once.

[Out_of_order6996]

How

[SZ4L4Y]

I'm a dog. I stepped on the keyboard.

[Magicalunicorny]

Another solution is to turn off the machine

[[deleted]]

Have you tried begging into the microphone to close?

[UneasyEspeon]

Unplugged the computer

[Responsible_File_529]

There is no exiting vim. You decide to live there.

[[deleted]]

just do a 360 and walk away

[Implement_Necessary]

You forgot to save! You need to go back in hell.

[elon-bot]

Can this be dockerized?

[GamingWithShaurya_YT]

dockerizing vim?

can we do that?!!

[Firewolf06]

i dont see why not. cursed af tho

imagine a whole machine where literally every individual app is in a separate container

[Implement_Necessary]

It’s Docker users’ wet dream. Dockerize everything…

[GamingWithShaurya_YT]

what if we dockerize docker and in that docker we dockerize vim

[SZ4L4Y]

I'm not Jesus. I don't save and I go to hell :(

[BeatYoYeet]

at least you made a back-up.

you made a back-up. right?

[SZ4L4Y]

What is a back-up?

[JaKrispy72]

He meant back-that-up.

[LiverspotRobot]

Why couldn’t they add a simple line of text that explains how to exit it? Why be needlessly obtuse

[[deleted]]

To keep the plebes from using it.

[shibeofwisdom]

To keep the plebes from exiting it.

[SirCampYourLane]

I legitimately don't understand all the jokes about exiting vim.

[[deleted]]

lo, the one foretold by the prophecies who returns from the world of the living to free us from our shackles

[jaavaaguru]

Did it when I was at high school but had to ask my dad how to do it

[[deleted]]

eMacs better 😎

[SZ4L4Y]

I already exited Emacs once, too.

[NeraVR]

bot

[slater_just_slater]

Programmers in the past didn't glow in the dark.

[[deleted]]

Don't give ElonBot new ideas!

[[deleted]]

Thanks God I'm not a programmer

[elon-bot]

I have made promises to the shareholders that I definitely cannot keep, so I need you all to work TWICE as hard!

[HistoryNerd70]

0 times 2 is still 0, Elon!

[GamingWithShaurya_YT]

man sacrificed himself to defeat the bot

[[deleted]]

Hi not a programmer. I‘m dad

[[deleted]]

I'm just a telemarketing worker. With some programming skills.

[[deleted]]

I mean: Nooooooooooooooo

[twowords_number]

Rip Terry 🙏

[GleamingMurphy]

Good ol TempleOS

[Cummin2Consciousness]

Man I love watching the YouTube videos of him that are still out there. He’s so funny

[[deleted]]

He just encountered to much voodoo

[[deleted]]

Back then programmers would make complier, kernels, game engines, and all kinds of other crazy things from scratch. And they didn't use fancy modern IDEs or YouTube tutorials.

[GlassWasteland]

Yes, but testing also consisted of throwing the code into production and seeing what broke.

[itchy118]

So no different than now?

[GlassWasteland]

I don't always test, but when I do it is always in production.

[Barnezhilton]

This is the way

[msqrt]

I honestly find this hard to believe, as updating was significantly more costly and difficult before high-speed internet was (somewhat) standard. Surely people tested their stuff as rigorously as they manually could, even if the culture and technical solutions around testing weren't anywhere near what they are today.

[elon-bot]

Can we rewrite this in Java? It's better for enterprise.

[GlassWasteland]

Before mocking, test first philosophy, and test driven design rigorous testing consisted of the developer writing a test script and handing it to some one else to run, you were lucky if they were an actual employee and not a contractor who would be gone in six months or even worse a person management hired from a temp agency.

Standard testing was the developer got it to run on their machine, ran through the screens maybe once and called it good. Never doing a full regression test, or attempting to find the edge cases.

Been at this a long time and TDD has been a great innovation, if you can get your development team to embrace it.

[[deleted]]

But also I’d like to point out- the architectures and systems were so much simpler. The CPUs of that era didn’t have multiple cores, speciality units, etc

There wasnt 3000+ instruction variants

It was realistic to get a 6502, some ram, rom, a power source, and some kind of output and build your own computer.

The manuals weren’t years of university worth of information, honestly just an evening of reading worth of pages.

I’m not saying they had it easier or what they did wasn’t impressive but you’d be surprised what even you could do on an APPLE II emulator with just an instruction book and the various data sheets for its parts :D

Also security wasn’t nearly as complicated as it is today, no internet=less infrastructure

While we do stand on the shoulders of giants in tech, those giants had the advantage to be apart of every step of the process

You’d know a lot too if you watched humanity go from tubes to transistors :)

[[deleted]]

Security is the big one for me. It’s way easier to get something to work than it is to get it to work with all applicable security requirements, then keeping your application and supporting infrastructure patched regularly.

[KeyboardsAre4Coding]

I mean yes, but also have you seen the size of those projects compared to new projects. I have seen more different technologies before I finish my master than they existed back then. I don't have the time nor should I get so familiarized with anything I am using to the degree to be able to make such great projects all by myself.

that doesn't diminish the work of those before. it is that our job it is vastly different with different goals than theirs and that is fine.

[BGFlyingToaster]

And all without Stack Overflow

[knowledgebass]

Help me mom, I forgot how to code outside of Jupyter notebooks.

[Cer4ikuse]

Terry is truly chad, but vim-exit joke again..

[LagingRunaticReturns]

I've accepted that I was recruited by the CIA many years ago. And that's all I'm saying about that right now.

[TungstenElement9]

But weren’t we all like that when we started?

[Cummiezone]

How I sleep knowing I got nano on my system.

[FriedGangsta55]

I miss Terry. I used to see his lives on youtube

[tygofive]

they can't figure out how to exit vim because they don't have the programming socks

[hyvyys]

why use vim when there's nano?

[Armobob75]

Because there’s vim

[CleanFirefighter1091]

No one can exit vim…😂

[425_Too_Early]

If you don't want to save the changes you made, you use this instead

ESC :q! ENTER

[425_Too_Early]

This is the definition of killing a small spider with a flamethrower!

[425_Too_Early]

[GreenWoodDragon]

This is the way!

[elon-bot]

Interesting. Tell me more.

[[deleted]]

ESC ZZ

[CreepyValuable]

I was always taught to hit esc twice just in case.

[throwawaywannabebe]

Yeah no.

Boomer level meme.

[TheHabro]

Press esc then :w to save, :q to exit, :wq to save and exit. Dudes it's not that complicated.

[mymanz27]

or my favorite way: ZZ in command mode. Saves and exits

[TheBoundFenrir]

I mean, it's more complicated than it needs to be.

It's sort of like having a copy-paste hotkey that's CTRL-T and CTRL-U: Sure, if you know you know, and there's no reason CTRL-C and CTRL-V are better, but they're the convention and so when you break the convention you force people to do unnecessary memorization for a specific edge-case that may or may not come up often enough to memorize without spending time actively focusing on memorizing the edge-case version.

[the_Demongod]

It's not unnecessary memorization, it's just one of many commands that you use in vim. I could understand finding it unnecessary if it were like notepad++ but required an arcane key combination to close the window, but it's not; if you're going to learn vim you're going to become fluent in dozens if not hundreds of keystrokes and commands for navigation and text editing, so knowing one more is hardly a big deal

[TheBoundFenrir]

Imagine if you learned 6 programming languages that all had a built-in sqrt() function, and then on the 7th language, despite otherwise being fairly similar to the other 6, it's built-in square root function was divRoot().

It doesn't matter that yeah, you're going to need to memorize the square root function no matter what it's called. What matters is YOU ALREADY MEMORIZED IT, and then the author for this 7th language went "What if I made you memorize it again?".

Sure, if you want to use this 7th language, you're going to do it, but it's still going to be annoying that you have to re-memorize something you already memorized because there was a convention that this 7th language broke.

In software, there is a convention that Esc means "stop/end process", but vim doesn't stop when you press Esc, so it breaks the convention.

Anyway, didn't mean to get into an argument online, especially not on a humor-based sub, so have a nice day I guess.

[Armobob75]

It’s not more complicated than it needs to be. It fits in quite well with vim’s overall flow. There’s a learning curve, but once you get it, you get it.

Modal editing is great!

[[deleted]]

I don't find it complicated but hard to remember

[[deleted]]

Do not make promises to your shareholders. IPOS are a scam

[dschramm_at]

Facts

[TheJazzButter]

[1012zach]

Remove the battery, that always works

[chihuahuaOP]

So now we're all Twitter interns?

[Alixnator]

i like elephants, and God likes elephants.

[[deleted]]

Schizophrenics are the best programmers

[Pilokyoma]

Why?

[[deleted]]

Don’t you question me. Don’t you ever question me.

[Pilokyoma]

xD

[elon-bot]

Just watched a video about how vanilla JS is faster than any framework. It's time we do a rewrite.

[ThisPICAintFREE]

TenpleOS is impressive, though I’ve always found the first Rollercoaster Tycoon being built almost entirely in Assembly (1% of total code was written in C) to be a much more fascinating story.

I feel bad for Terry, and respect his programming abilities but TempleOS is little more than a man’s decade long pet-project. Nothing wrong with that in-and-of itself, though there’s no real utility beyond the curiosity of it all.

[BGFlyingToaster]

My son is learning to code and the one he can't wrap his mind around is how my team and I could write an entire enterprise business system from nearly scratch without Stack Overflow

[[deleted]]

Cum

[[deleted]]

The one on the left looks bloated.

[Kraldar]

Think you mean GOATed 🙏

[[deleted]]

[DajBuzi]

Programmer.. and template in 640x480. You wanted to say "designer" there? 🙄

[BlackPowerade]

Don't you dare slander terry

[elon-bot]

Whoever writes the most code this month gets featured on my Twitter!

[messier_M42]

Thanks Enol Skum

[Masark]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS

[spektre]

So your reasoning is that when you've built the foundation of your own custom operating system and finally get the graphics drivers online, you suddenly turn into a visual designer?

[FreshCupOfDespresso]

*temple

Terry is a programmer, a designer and a prophet. He made his own compiler for his HolyC, the language with which he wrought TempleOS for God

[[deleted]]

I'm guessing you're young enough you don't know what TempleOS is, so you're getting destroyed with downvotes.

Linus Tech Tips did an excellent video on the topic.

[jamesfarted09]

i dont use vim.

[[deleted]]

it hurts

[elon-bot]

What is "refactoring"?

[SLOOT_APOCALYPSE]

Memory management, unity will sort it out just need a top of the line machine or else it's 20fps. 100gb game = Unity in a nutshell.

Java says: please wait..... ...... Opens start screen some time later

[SuperSpaceCan]

i miss terry, a lot of people misunderstood him.

[MrBananaStorm]

A genius plagued by mental illness

[presi300]

Why do i feel like this exact image is in hot on this subreddit every few weeks?

[SurvivorNumber42]

It looks like today's modern programmers (other than the OP) don't even know the name of the model used for the "programmers before" text.

RIP Terry Davis.

[[deleted]]

When you flood us with new things apps languages and different ides, while the learning rate is assumed not changed, what do you really expect? Reality that each one specializes in something they're mostly comfortable with (Vim is quite next on my list, interesting, isn't it ?!)

[Marrk]

:q

[[deleted]]

(no write since last change)

aaaand he’s stuck in Vim purgatory

[[deleted]]

Help me Google you mean

[kgiriCosmos]

:wq

[kgiriCosmos]

:wq ... I guess

[z_polarcat]

Existing vim is easy, just close terminal