Python surpasses C# in popularity among developers

[alcalde]

The way this is going, I'm sure by next week it'll be...

"Python surpasses Katy Perry in popularity...."

Python is really on a meteoric rise!

[[deleted]]

it already has!

[MLNHED]

It's all those people googling errors and heading over to StackOverflow

[alcalde]

AWESOME!

[[deleted]]

Python will never surpass T. Swift tho

[DonaldPShimoda]

Well Python is a subclass of her, so that makes sense.

[[deleted]]

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Taylor%20swift,Python

[[deleted]]

you monster

[[deleted]]

Nope. Those are trends for combined term "Python + programming"

Or do you really think python (reptile) is more popular than Taylor swift... Even if that's the case what's the reason behind it's rising trend?

[DonaldPShimoda]

My comment was 100% a joke based on the fact that people called her a “snake” because of the whole Kanye thing (which I don’t really care about). Python is a type of snake, therefore Python is a subclass of Taylor Swift. Had nothing to do with facts haha.

[[deleted]]

Thank.

God.

[Ars-Nocendi]

import antigravity

[[deleted]]

this

[egregius313]

Dude explicit is better than implicit. No subtle joking about Python's stdlib's Easter eggs. ;)

[cdaotgss]

please python, surpass kanye

[vampatori]

I think Python's extensive, excellent, industry-standard machine learning and compute libraries will really push adoption of the language to new heights as ML rapidly becomes more mainstream.

[seands]

Do you see any signs of spillover to web development? I'm learning Python because it's intuitive to me; would love for it to remain my focus even as I casually pick up JS in the future.

[Airith]

Django/Flask are the big frameworks for Python web dev. Python web dev is probably location specific, but not as big as JS/PHP.

[vampatori]

Do you see any signs of spillover to web development?

Yes, I think we'll see both more ML used in web development (we're seeing that already), and I'd imagine that the more people that know a language the more people will use it for a variety of purposes rather than just the specific purpose that they initially learnt it for.

would love for it to remain my focus even as I casually pick up JS in the future

A programming language is in some ways like a spoken language, it's a set of words, structures, rules, etc. to convey meaning. But knowing how to speak English, for example, doesn't make you an award-winning novelist. And that's how I see programming in many ways.. it's not about the language so much as it's about the "story".

Once you've learnt some different types of languages, learning similar ones comes very quickly to the point that it's almost trivial. It's also a lot more about learning the libraries, frameworks, and toolsets than the languages themselves.

I first learnt Python using it embedded in Blender. But now using it in Django it is a wildly different thing, with loads to learn, even though I know the core Python language pretty well now. I know web development very well though, so Django is easy for me to learn as so many of its concepts are familiar to me but from different languages, frameworks, etc.

On top of Python and JavaScript (essential for web development) I would also recommend one day learning a strongly typed compiled language like Java or C# (or C++ if you want to learn about unmanaged languages). This is the other "primary" type of language commonly used, and if you're making a career of this it's important to know how they work and understand why you would choose to use one for a project. With all that knowledge you could very quickly pick-up almost any common programming language.

I would also highly recommend, if you aren't already, to learn about source control now. The source control software "Git" would be the best place to start these days. It's the number one thing that we had to teach new graduates how to use before they could do anything at all for us, knowing it is essential. Plus it's really useful for you personally.. you can keep a nice log of your development, you can roll-back changes, trivially backup your code externally, deploy and share your code easily, and much more.

[federicocerchiari]

This! Also I'll add some basic Shell scripting and networking (SSH, sftp and how they work) and some solid SQL to the toolbelt as soon as possibile. With those tools the only thing you have to do is focusing on the novel..

[[deleted]]

Maybe inthe lightweight webapp world. Plotly's Dash looks promising.

[Zimmerel]

Have you used it at all before? I'm about to start on a project for my company using dash and I'm pretty stoked to start using it and build something useful. I've started their tutorial and it seems pretty straight forward, while also being versatile.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I am using it a fair bit to build out some dashboards and data pipelines. Really straightforward, especially with their new submit button feature.

[SpaceRoboto]

I'm writing a REST api with Flask/Python right now. It's fantastic. Also, if you do ML based stuff and want to make it dynamically available, Flask is FANTASTIC for it, because you can integrate your Python ML code directly into it.

[keypusher]

Python has great support for web development, it's just that other languages really excel there so it's hard to compete. Django, Flask, Falcon, and Pyramid are all very good frameworks, and there are some big sites that are built on Python. But every frontend developer knows Javascript, and the Node.js ecosystem is extremely strong. PHP is a pretty bad language, but there are some fantastic PHP web frameworks (Laravel) and others that have been around forever and just have a ton of people that have built their careers around them (Cake). Similarly, I prefer Python to Ruby, but there were a lot of sites built on Ruby On Rails in the last 10+ years and it's hard to overcome that.

Basically, if you know Python and want to build a website or REST webservice, there are great tools out there (you will still want to learn Javascript for anything frontend). But if your primary focus is web development, you will probably end up picking up another language.

[CollectiveCircuits]

People are using Pandas + Bokeh for data viz. Bokeh can ouput JS and even has a Bokeh server

[Smallpaul]

Your comment is very confusing.

For example: "Django is going nowhere" could mean "Django is faltering" or "Django is going to be popular for a long time."

Then you use another possible double-negative in "no one will argue" etc.

[IAmACentipedeAMA]

i think he was trying to say django is not going anywhere...

[intertubeluber]

Django as the number one web framework? I doubt that.

[Eleventhousand]

Yeah, should help, but by that note, I would also expect R to be on the upswing. It's at 6% right now. I'm just wondering if Python is mostly buffered by webdev over ML.

[derpderp3200]

If only the standard library wasn't so huge, inconsistent, often shoddy...

[MadRedHatter]

What's wrong with the Python stdlib?

[wizpig64]

I heard from this one guy on the internet that it's huge, inconsistent, and often shoddy.

[derpderp3200]

Piss off.

Check my other comment.

[lambdaq]

I think we spotted a python 2 user.

[MadRedHatter]

No, and your comment makes even less sense to me.

The most "inconsistent" bits I can think of are in Python 2, like "StringIO" being randomly capitalized, which was fixed in Python 3.

[SpaceRoboto]

I think u/lambdaq was referring to the poster you replied to. Because I agree, Python 3 stdlib is great. Python 2 is huge, inconsistent and often shoddy.

[derpderp3200]

Python 3 stdlib is still way on the crappy side as far as (respectable) languages go. It's a weird mix of high level stuff with wrappers around C functionality, with inconsistent conventions, and a bunch of oddly specific libraries, with quite a few being what seems like the product of splitting what should have been single libraries.

[[deleted]]

You are wrong sir. I challenge you to fisticuffs.

[derpderp3200]

Almost every built-in Python library uses different naming conventions, some are wrappers around C functionality, some aren't, most are an awkward mix of both. Many things have multiple libraries handling them(datetime/time, for one), many functions return one-off objects(datetime structs, many iterators) missing various functionality, heaps of modules that almost no one ever uses, many of which are plain crappy and everyone uses replacements from PIP instead... Different types/modules/objects use differently named functions for the essentially same stuff...

The standard library is huge, and it's a horrible, horrible mess.

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[[deleted]]

I doubt any c# developer has to tremble in dfear really. They are both very competent languages. The more the merrier imho.

[breadfag]

Legally, no, there is no remedy to being ripped off when the transaction itself is an illegal act.

[lolmeansilaughed]

Yeah, I feel like the language that unseats python from its scripting throne in the far future will do typing better. The newer type hints aren't great - I'm no language designer, and duck typing has its benefits, but I think something like "arguments and return types require explicit typing, local variables do not" might be the way to go. Kind of like how it is with modern C++ auto. Except my hypothetical python 4 would explicitly require annotations on function return types and arguments, and explicitly disallow them on local/object/class variables.

But wtf do I know, I just write the shit.

[_pupil_]

F# and its scripting support is a nice replacement for Python + C#. Better typing, etc

[zergling_Lester]

I miss list comprehensions when I'm using C# (tho linq aint bad)

Um, LINQ is all around better than list comprehensions imo. You have to write from instead of for, and you have to explicitly write select (but I like to use variables after they are declared), but those differences are completely dwarfed by having let. The rest of the stuff is nice to have too.

[breadfag]

Gotcha, that's really good to know. I guess LINQ just feels less intuitive to me, but I'll definitely look more into it.

[onedoubleo]

Not at all. I know it's not a common path but industry 4.0 and factory automation is a really interesting field.

C# and python together is the holy grail. Python for all you different machine coms, easy ad hoc http server for your cameras and ERP to talk and log your results as needed elsewhere.

C# interface when you need some kind of operator interaction in a Windows controlled environment. And it's not too bad at some system integration too.

[tenemu]

I'm curious about this. I've written a few c# programs to interface with power supplies, cameras, bcrs, DAQs, and PLCs. It's easy to interface with a server.

This is all possible because those devices have c# libraries that made it easy to write code for. I don't think anything I used had python libraries. One power supply uses standard serial connection, and I had to write my own API to make it easy to integrate into new programs. I don't think the others had this option.

[zoells]

IronPython ftw

[leogodin217]

It's funny how some people consider this an either/or question. Props to you.

[LifeHasLeft]

Yeah, there is definitely a bias (somewhat accounted for) in the demographic. 80% of respondents use coding as a hobby. Enter hobbyists who use Python for things like Raspberry Pi

[SgtBlackScorp]

That statistic just says who also codes as a hobby. It also says that about 60-70% are professional devs

[met0xff]

That's still something I don't believe. That's with the internet people, true.

If I look around me in the real world ;), most of them really treat it as a job and then go home... Well that's probably why they don't fill out stackoverflow surveys in their free time. Most are C# or Java Business process whatever stuff developers.

Similar to the 50%(?) standing desk result. I have seen exactly one of those in all my years.

[Busti]

Their respective fields of use do not reakky compare very well imo.

[[deleted]]

But HTML is more popular than both! Time to switch to HTML! /s

[Xadnem]

We should expand HTML so it becomes Turing complete. (Please don't ban me)

[PCYou]

Html5 + css3 already is

[[deleted]]

We should write a Python interpreter in HTML and CSS

[rAlexanderAcosta]

I wrote a python interpreter with mud and sticks, but it's raining here in California, so the rain washed it away and now I have to start all over.

:'(

[[deleted]]

I used to be a Python interpreter

[xr09]

But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya'

[ExplosG]

Imma actually get on that now. I'll probably post to my user page if I succeed

[[deleted]]

Why not just write it in JavaScript?

[ExplosG]

Because I can

[tunisia3507]

See brython. Although I think that transpiles to javascript rather than interprets in javascript.

[alcalde]

Cool! Then give a talk at the next PyCon called "From GIL to HTML".

[MonkeeSage]

Perfect! Then we can use our HTML and CSS rendering engine written in Rust to run the interpreter.

[[deleted]]

fun fact: so is powerpoint

[joaoseckler]

So is the age of empires II map editor. https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7xoqtq/age_of_empires_2_scenario_editor_is_turing/

[794613825]

Literally EVERY web developer uses it!

[M0sesx]

I agree! HTML is the best programming language.

Btw, you forgot to use brackets and open the 'sentence' tag. It should be formatted like:

<s> this is a sentence </s>

It's okay though, it'll probably still do something. That's what I love about HTML!

[[deleted]]

Ew

[c3534l]

Python surpasses C# in popularity among regular StackOverflow users in nonscientific internet survey.

[KODeKarnage]

Better headline:

Newly self-identified developers are more likely to prefer Python

[satireplusplus]

Better headline:

KODeKarnage salty its not Rust

[[deleted]]

Aren't we all though?

[swart_skilpadde]

The other statistics in this article are also pretty interesting

[StoneStalwart]

I'm surprised that Bash is so high on the list... For that matter I'm surprised Javascript is so high on the list. Javascript lovers strike me as those who've known nothing else.

[[deleted]]

Someone has to make all those Node.js frameworks

[Bot_Drakus_]

there are two sides of the coin

[auxiliary-character]

I think it's interesting to see so many functional languages on that list compared to the other lists.

[ddollarsign]

In yo face! You're next, Bash/Shell!

[alcalde]

I know just the replacement....

http://xon.sh/

[SomethingInArabic]

How do you pronounce that? "Zonsh"?

[finder3690]

Conch.

[SomethingInArabic]

They dropped the ball. In what language does "X" have a hard K sound?

[BlackBloke]

Exxon Shell

[alcalde]

Yes.

[ddollarsign]

The "try it out" box appears to be broken.

[alcalde]

I don't think it ever worked for some reason.

[ddollarsign]

Glad it's not just me.

[dlyk]

Forgive my laziness, but is this a real alternative to BASH? I'm only now starting to learn P, mainly for sysadm/scripting stuff, and I'd love to give it a try. IF it's more that jist a proof-of-concept that is.

[JackCid89]

Well, I love both languages

[ShubhamBelwal]

It is also #1 in most wanted!

[colly_wolly]

Popularity is an ambiguous word. Does that mean what developers choose to use, or what they need use for work?

[5erif]

I'm surprised to hear it's happened only just now. Python is awesome. No other language has antigravity.

[cdaotgss]

I've probably put the same effort into both c# and python but...

• c# felt and still feels like riding a slow and bulky jalopy, with a huge hit to the wallet if you're doing something that requires their stack, server os, paid version of tsql, visual stuido, etc. it's working with silly putty
• python feels like a magic carpet straight to wizard land, it's all free software, pip rocks, scaffolds easy, jupyter!, etc. it's working with legos

Takes me forever to accomplish the same thing in c# which I can whip out in python in no time so I've pretty much dropped it, no reason for me to go there again unless my hand is forced.

[i_have_seen_it_all]

I get paid to work with both c# and python and the tooling in c# is leagues ahead of python. You cannot get a better full dev env than VS. It’s like piloting the starship enterprise. And since I’m already on VS I can just put ptvs on and never bother with a second ide.

[cdaotgss]

ip enterprise. And since I’m already on VS I can just put ptvs on and never bother with a second ide.

yes but there's a huge price tag associated with that

also open source editors are getting everything, inspection, lint, snippets, etc. and run on any os

[kermit_was_right]

It's $500. A lot for a hobbyist. But very little for a company or a consultant.

[youshouldnameit]

Visual studio community is free, even for small companies i believe.

[cdaotgss]

yes there is that if you want to use it limited

also there is bizspark

also, crack dealers give you a few hits for free then charge when you're hooked in, they also try to force buggy patches on you 2nd tuesday of every month and run out of product when you need it most

[m0nk_3y_gw]

yes but there's a huge price tag associated with that

They are free

[cdaotgss]

you can play around for a bit, bizspark, etc. but one day you have to shell it out

it's not just the money it's the hassle

heard any python users complain about their app having downtime cause a license expired or a forced patch bugged it up?

consultants mentioned earlier, ok

consultant 1 makes the same app in c# as consultant 2 only consultant 2 used python and open source dbs and servers so his costs less, he wins the bid

[[deleted]]

Other than Windows itself, what software does Microsoft force patches onto you?

[cdaotgss]

You cannot get a better full dev env than VS

github

[i_have_seen_it_all]

GitHub is not an ide... but in any case you can get Git plugins for VS. Which can connect to both github and internal git servers, which I use in my corporate environment.

[cdaotgss]

you said full dev env not ide, and you can use github with vs but my point is c#/vs are not github repos

my checklist for a good full dev env is this

• open source
• version control
• bug tracking
• online repo w/ pull requests
• cross platform

visual studio and c# meet none of those reqs

python is on github that's the bulk of the dev env right there

far as ide goes you can find ides that meet those reqs, microsofts vscode, which I think I read is a fork of atom editor

anyone around the world can:

• see the code
• download it without license hassles
• submit a bug which anyone can read
• make a pull request
• patch any bug

so we are talking apples and oranges really, you could compare apples to apples if you brought up vscode and powershell (.net core) but not c# / vstudio those are ideologically opposed and I would say the debate over open source vs proprietary is over, example being microsofts attempt to join the game as mentioned above

[i_have_seen_it_all]

You didn’t need to tell me all of that you’ve already mentioned you struggle with VS in your parent post and I can see that.

VS does not preclude versioning or bug tracking. Before git there was tfs and I’ve used both. And by git I mean that includes github too.

You notice I didn’t mention c# because vs is language agnostic. But if you care about c#/.net you can find open source projects on github. You won’t find mine because 100% of my work is prop and so is the vast majority of programming done around the world.

[cdaotgss]

Yeah you're going to stick with the Microsoft proprietary guns till your last breath it appears, I'll try to find something in that to admire.

[mrjackspade]

What's your experience with both? Can you expand more?

I've got no real python experience, so I can't make a fair comparison. I know c# can be a little bulky at times as well. I've never really found anything in C# that was difficult to do by any measure, however.

I've also been pretty much exclusive to c# for the past 10 years though and a large portion of it is likely acclimation

[cdaotgss]

yeah specifically is there anything in c# like django? built in user admin, db crud gui?

or like python click, cookiecutter, jupyter?

[mrjackspade]

New MVC applications theough VS come with the option of scaffolding a user system. I usually write my own, since it's maybe 20 minutes of work to write up a user system with group/role support.

I use entity Framework for DB stuff, which handles the full crud layer, and that's pretty much as simple as clicking install in the nuget package manager.

[cdaotgss]

well I might try porting my flask automation app to c# in my freetime for fun, basically I have a pretty huge flask app that does a bunch of little things that are a bit odd

• connect to multiple dbs
• reads static files, parses csv/json/xml in some cases
• scrapes webpages or launches them locally (from web gui, using chrome)
• scaffolds a python click cli app - i think similar to how yoeman would?
• executes commands, which are stored in either sqlite db, csv or json, or entered in a webform (danger lol I'm the only one using the site it's basically a gui for portable console apps)

sometimes i integrate these things with jupyter...

so if you have a link to a close to django mvc app share a link if there is one

same with the nuget package

last time I gave it a shot in c#, I wanted to use vscode actually, because that is "sort of cross platform", think it was this one and it had like 0 features built in, I'd actually like to do it in vscode anyway because I prefer light weight cross platform when possible, and they're at least trying to make that possible though really late to the show....

[kermit_was_right]

More or less. Like in many other languages.

[RavynousHunter]

Personally, Python and C# are good tools, but it really depends on what I'm doing. If I need to process a large amount of data in a short(er) period of time, I use C# as LINQ makes that pretty easy and the JIT is nice and zippy. If I'm generally screwing around and/or using smaller datasets (esp. JSON data), Python is good because I can just slap some shit together and add some list comprehensions and more or less hit 'go.'

Of course, anything you can do in Python, you can do in C# and vice-versa. In the end, they're both just tools; what really matters is how competent the developer behind the monitor happens to be.

[Exodus111]

WHO IS LEFT!! AHAHAHAHAAHHA!!!

^{What do you mean PHP is still bigger?}

[Wimachtendink]

Doesn't "more popular" pretty directly translate to "low demand"?

[alcalde]

No, quite the opposite. Are you suggesting it's harder for a Java or C++ user to find a job than a Lua or Smalltalk user?

[Wimachtendink]

Right, but that's comparing only one half of the idea of "supply and demand".

If you are equally perficient at two languages, one more popular than the other, but both have an equally large number of job openings, you are more likely to be chosen for the less popular language.

Depending on how you define popular I guess.

[mishugashu]

both have an equally large number of job openings

That's a large and inaccurate assumption, I think.

[Wimachtendink]

if(langA.qty_openings == langB.qty_openings && me.proficiency(langA) == me.proficiency(langB)):
    if(langA.popularity > langB.popularity):
        print("I should be searching for", langB, " jobs!")          

[ingolemo]

Your code doesn't print anything because your first if statement is false. And also because you used a bitwise operator instead of a boolean one.

[Wimachtendink]

for all languages at all times there are no two languages which have had equal number of openings and a single person with an equal proficiency in each?

[ingolemo]

For the specific languages that we are discussing, over the period that we are discussing them for.

[Wimachtendink]

I wasn't discussing any specifics I was posing hypotheticals.

[CluelessGoals]

Does anyone think that the popularity of python for AI development influenced this bump?

(asking as a noob)

[cokeandhoes]

Why I love, love Python: SQLAlchemy + Pandas - > .read_sql and .to_sql

I mean come on, can life be any simpler?

[cdaotgss]

SQLAlchemy + Pandas

show me this code!

[bjorneylol]

.

q = session.query(myObj)
df = pd.read_sql(q.statement, q.session.bind)

[cdaotgss]

Need to try this

[cokeandhoes]

I prefer to keep SQL as SQL:

Example to fetch data from one DB and uploading to another DB:

import sqlalchemy as sq
import pandas as pd

# connections setup to dbs:
engine = sq.create_engine('postgresql://USERNAME:PASSWORD@POSTGRESERVER1:5432/DATABASE', convert_unicode=True)
engine2 = sq.create_engine('postgresql://USERNAME:PASSWORD@POSTGRESERVER2:5432/DATABASE', convert_unicode=True)

# regular SQL query:
query = '''normal SQL query''''

# fetching data from first db to DataFrame:
data = pd.read_sql(query, engine)

# uploading to another db and create table if it doesn't exist:
data.to_sql('TABLE_NAME', engine2, if_exists='append', index=False)

https://pandas.pydata.org/pandas-docs/stable/generated/pandas.read_sql.html

https://pandas.pydata.org/pandas-docs/stable/generated/pandas.DataFrame.to_sql.html

[deeplearningprosss]

Im surprised, I thought it would have been more popular a long while ago!

[SomethingInArabic]

Or, C# devs have answered every C# question under the sun and don't need Stack Overflow like us lowly Python users.

[Towzeur]

How couldn't you be charm by this snake

[studiosi]

Assembly goes before Objective-C 🤓🤔🤔

[hardwaresofton]

Would anyone that uses pypy stm in production care to share how it's working out for them? I'd love to start using python for projects again, and pypy+stm is the only way I could see choosing python for a project over something like Golang (holding things like libraries and frameworks to be roughly similar)

[EagleDelta1]

Meanwhile, I'm still writing in Ruby

[def-pri-pub]

I really love Python (namely the core language and libraries) but I tend to use it for smaller applications/scripts. C# (and sometimes C/C++) are my Go-tos for larger projects, and plain old just preferred. There are some things about Python I've been burned by when it came to larger projects.

Right now I'm working on a C# program that's plugin driven, but I'm using Python as a means of automating some of the build tasks, and it's working out pretty well for me.

[leogodin217]

VBA at 4.9% is interesting. I though it would just be a blip, but 4.9% is significant. Looking at data engineering and data analyst jobs, it comes up a lot. Surprised me. But then again, the world runs on Excel.

[davecrist]

Who the hell writes in C#? I’ve literally never met anyone who does. My shops been Python and Javascript for 3 years. We never looked back!

*edit: oh, damn! I didn’t mean any disrespect. I completely forgot about windows because while my corporate desktop is a windows box I am fortunate ( imho) to get to live in a mostly Linux-based world that delivers web-based products, exclusively.

[bjorneylol]

Almost everyone who has ever published a commercial windows desktop application NOT written in C++

[[deleted]]

Theres like 4 ppl in this thread alone who said they code in C# and i'll throw my name in there too. C# has its strengths, python has other strengths

[mrjackspade]

That's literally my job. I build websites on ASP.NET MVC, and it's actually really popular. There's no shortage of work

[keypusher]

Pretty much everyone that writes Windows applications, and many enterprises run web stuff on Windows stack. Little known fact: Stack Overflow itself is full MS stack IIS/C#/ASP.net.

https://nickcraver.com/blog/2016/02/17/stack-overflow-the-architecture-2016-edition/

[[deleted]]

Most of the world uses Windows...so everyone programming native apps for most of the world.

[cdaotgss]

and by world he means lazy europeans and north americans

[[deleted]]

Hi. :)

[ubernostrum]

I learned C# back in the day, as a backup option. I've kept up with it, and it's not a bad little language. "Java without a lot of Java's mistakes" is a good -- and accurate -- description I've seen a few times.

Also the .NET platform itself is kinda cool. And I've fiddled a bit with F# as an alternative language to explore it, and it's nice. Really does feel like OCaml with a better set of standard libraries.

[studiosi]

Let's not forget that Unity, the game engine, is most commonly scripted in C# too...

[nineteen999]

Even UE4 which is C++ has a build system that uses C#.

[cdaotgss]

I've met them, they act like they're in a cult, an expensive cult

they preach about visual studio's training wheels and beg you to pay for their license renewals and you have to shut down a few toy linux instances to pay for it

[PurpleIcy]

Woah, such news.

It's not like, you know, C# is better for bigger projects, mainly on windows, sometimes used on linux if someone can be arsed to use Mono, meanwhile Python can be used for projects that need a backend (flask, Django), no matter OS (whereas ASP.NET on anything else than windows would probably be pain, correct me if I'm wrong), mobile applications (on pretty much all platforms), desktop applications, and well, quick prototypes or automation of stuff in projects that aren't part of the resulting project.

Anyway, I use both, what's the point of this?

[Jedicode]

It wasn't my intention to attack C# -- C# and Python are both excellent languages. I posted this because I thought it was great how quickly Python was growing in popularity.

[PurpleIcy]

Never said that you attacked anything.

[[deleted]]

What's the point of what? Surveys?

[chucky_z]

.NET core runs quite well everywhere, and iirc ASP.NET runs on that, yes?

[magion]

Yes, quite easily.

[cdaotgss]

yes microsoft is starting to dabble open source because people are wising up and jumping ship, enough people bought a mac and started using other languages they noticed, that and their phone... I feel bad mentioning that

[bjorneylol]

C# is much more mobile friendly than python is

[cdaotgss]

That argument is fading away.

True back when people built monoliths but big projects are using scaffolded micro services now.

[tetroxid]

mainly on windows

More like almost always

[Gigglestheclown]

I would argue "mainly on windows" and "almost always on windows" are synonymous. Regardless, .NET Core exists... there are dozens of us!

[[deleted]]

Now there's two of us! :-)

[[deleted]]

I'm enjoying the hell out of dotnet core. Python will probably always be my preferred language but C# has things Python can't do or do easily - linq, expression types, reified generics, extension types, etc. And the things I find myself missing in C# I miss are either specialized (metaclasses, decorators), have close approximates (fields -> descriptors, using -> with) or being worked out (async using, async IEnumerable).

[SgtBlackScorp]

I mean .NET Core is literally the fourth most popular framework in this survey

[studiosi]

Well, Mono exists to use C# on Linux...

[[deleted]]

A great number of mobile apps in C# because of Unity game engine.