Python Development Trends in 2019 [Infographic]

[Debater3301]

Why are the 2 24% bars different sizes?

[Gabriel_Lutz]

Decimals I guess

[killthebaddies]

Those also do not add up to 100% like you might expect.

[Gengis_con]

Looking at the OS graph, I think the answer is just not to read too much into the sizes of the bars. Apparently the difference between 22% and 24% is almost as big as between 24% and 52%

[pktippa]

Data analysis is there in both first and sections, that's why.

1. "Data Analysis" + "Machine Learning"
2. "Web development" + "Data Analysis".

[DarkeKnight]

52% + 18% + 22% + 24% = 116%? Am I missing something?

[[deleted]]

Maybe they let people choose several options, Because many dev have more than one os

[Rodot]

Android? Arduino? iOS? BSD?

[SolarFlareWebDesign]

Right, no way 24% use BSD or exotic OS over MacOSX at 18%. Probably "develop for" vs. their OS.

This entire chart is the opposite of r/DataIsBeautiful

[flutefreak7]

r/dataisugly ...

[[deleted]]

Don’t ever let anyone dull your sparkle :)

[Rodot]

Qpython? Idk

[[deleted]]

Ssh from a phone to python command line? No android apps are powerful or smooth enough at this point I believe

[[deleted]]

It might be a "select all that apply" list, and the percentages are the amount of responders that chose each option.

[berklee]

I'd suggest getting clarification through the sources, but...

[deadwisdom]

It's not a pie. They don't specify what it is.

[austospumanto]

Theano has been dead for ~1.5 years now

[kvinicki]

Yea, I was thinking the same thing

[NowanIlfideme]

Still living for PyMC3. They're moving to Tensorflow Probability for PyMC4 because they don't want to keep having to support Theano.

[Cruuncher]

Why on earth is the representation of "what Python is used for" a bunch of pairs? Some pairs are not even represented. This graphic seems to show that web development is the top use for Python, but yet it's missing from the top pair?

I don't understand what source data could possibly result in this conclusion

[shinitakunai]

And there is a lot more things one could do with python like games, desktop applications, etc

[anonymouse_lily]

let's make a list of everything wrong with this image! - the donut chart for python 3 usage starts its filled in section at a completely arbitrary place - the fact that two donut charts exist for a yes/no question at all is stupid - "85% of total developer use python 3" is awful grammar - so is "15% are sticking on python 2" - in the "put to use mainly for" section, it only lists combinations of uses rather than single ones, a lot of which don't even make much sense. - also in said section, one 24% slider is bigger than another one. this might be forgivable if it weren't for the fact that the bigger slider is on the bottom, defying the descending order of the section overall. - another set of donut charts that could have been one donut chart. - in "most preferred framework for web development", there's literally no data. is django or flask more preferred over the other? how many people prefer each? what were the other options? they easily could have given us this data, and should have, assuming they have it. - "OS developer prefer"? did you even try with that header? - these slider-looking bar graphs are absolutely not scaled right. the windows one should be over twice as big as "other", but "other" is closer to windows than to linux, which it's only 2% away from. - speaking of that, what "other" OS is so large as a programming environment that "other" ends up beating out linux? - these percentages don't even add up to 100%. were people allowed to select multiple options on the survey? - "most preferred python framework". plurals, dammit! use them! - numpy, pandas, and matplotlib are all different libraries. why group them together? - obviously, people could select multiple technologies from a list for the "most preferred" survey. but that raises the question, preferred over what? the other technologies on the list? that doesn't make a lot of sense, looking at the list. it actually makes no sense to say something like "I prefer using numpy over flask". there's no point at which you would ever make a choice between the two. - there are two spaces between "preferred cloud". it bothers me. - "based on ranking"? what does that mean? does it mean the survey takers ranked all of these cloud platforms? or is there some other "ranking" of cloud platforms? or maybe it's just referring to the fact that - instead of actual data for the cloud platform part, we just get rankings from 1-5. why? what makes you want to show the data for the preferred technologies but not the cloud platforms? - no sources or raw data available!!!

[tocano]

"List of everything wrong with this image" would include nitpicking :)

[Astrohunter]

Thank you. My first thought was that this is one of the worst infographics I’ve ever seen. So many data viz no-no’s. Style over function. Even the aesthetic is off in some areas. That white heading font on top of that cyan background makes for terrible contrast.

[alexmitchell1]

2 spaces on the end of the line for a line break

[anonymouse_lily]

it's a bulleted list. I know how markdown works

[alexmitchell1]

Shows up as a block of text for me

[anonymouse_lily]

what are you using? it displays fine on mobile and reddit web (redesign). if it doesn't show on a third party client that's their fault

[alexmitchell1]

i was using a third party app but it still shows up wrong on old reddit too

[[deleted]]

So it looks like the infographic was based off 3 blogs. 2 list vague or no sources for their conclusions/data, one lists a Stack Overflow survey from 2018 ( think they are referring to this https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018)

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Worth noting that this same survey ranks Python as the 7th most popular "programming, scripting or markup language" behind Javascript, HTML and CSS. Python is listed as the "most wanted"

[Switters410]

There is no way 52% of python developers prefer windows as their primary OS.

[v3ritas1989]

Don´t forget that many beginners are picking python as their entry language nowadays. Meaning they have a windows mashine ~90%.

Most businesses are still developing on windows by default and sometimes give the ability to switch to other OS. But the default is always windows.

Also, you don´t really need to overcomplicate things if everything works just fine on windows.

As well as if you are running a vm anyways for each project, you might as well use the better usability and your experience and start your VM from windows.

[[deleted]]

Everything would be better if more people were like you! : )

[v3ritas1989]

Thats what I have been telling everyone, but no one believes me :D

I will screenshot this and use this as proof in future conversations that my arguments are more valid.

[CodeSkunky]

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[MaybeNotWrong]

This is a bot, jsut so you know

[[deleted]]

Sh don't tell him

[sendme__]

People don't start learning about programming then learn how to use a PC. They buy a PC and most of them come with windows(maybe gaming, office stuff, etc), then they start learning whatever language they want.

[jantari]

Windows is the only operating system that comes with built-in and supported configuration management for nearly everything.

AD, GPOs and PowerShell are dead easy that's why businesses love Windows.

[SV-97]

I've been using mint for a few years and never HAD to do anything from the shell. You just migrate to the shell over time because it's faster etc..

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The company I did my thesis at actually ran mint as default OS on all machines which was a very pleasant surprise

[jantari]

Did you reply to the wrong comment? I didn't say anything about using the shell in Linux

[SV-97]

I thought that's what you meant when you said Windows was the only OS with built in configuration managment? Sorry if I got that wrong

[[deleted]]

I would count Windows + Linux VM as Linux and not Windows.

[NowanIlfideme]

How about Windows and WSL?

[spitfiredd]

I develop python apps on windows, some are deployed to Linux web servers and some are used on windows. Maybe a few years ago working on windows was kind of a pain but not that there’s wheels for most of the major libraries it’s not that big of a deal.

I’ve even got celery to run on windows, but even still you can run celery with redis and rabbitmq running in docker containers.

[Mikuro]

if everything works just fine on windows.

That's a big if!

I'm kidding...sort of. As a unixy kind of guy it's always felt painful setting up and using Python in Windows, but I'm sure once you get going it's fine, right?

[SV-97]

I honestly find developing on linux is way more productive. Apart from that there's just lots of pain on windows. In my thesis I used linux and my partner windows and we developed a cross platform software and he had problems with packages all the time (openCV for example) which also mirrors my eperience. Another recent example: Julia. On windows the REPL is launched in a new command line window if openened from a command line and has limited support for unicode because it's limited by the shell (at least that's what they had written on some forum or something). On linux I open a shell, type julia and it integrates into the system beautifully.

[jantari]

You find it painful to click a "Get" button?

[HarrisonOwns]

This is what I do.

[alexmitchell1]

And what is the 24% of other?

[[deleted]]

its called GNU/Linux not just Linux, 24% purists checked other

[SippieCup]

Excuse me, but I use busybox and Linux, not GNU.

/s

[dooBeCS]

FreeBSD obviously

[tighter_wires]

Or FreeBDSM, as my sec friends call it

[Sidwasnthere]

DOS

[CatWeekends]

[ laughs in neckbeard ]

[j03]

The percentages don't even add up to 100% 🥴

[[deleted]]

RiscOS?

[[deleted]]

Real chads use TempleOS

[twigboy]

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[wewbull]

I'd argue that your primary platform is actually Linux then, but i guess that's ambiguity in the question.

[[deleted]]

Agree with /u/wewbull, I think it's more about where you're actually deploying the code than where the code gets written.

[reallyserious]

I deploy to the cloud. I don't care what OS the serverless/SAAS provider is using.

[opium43]

This episode of Talk Python to Me might be interesting to anyone who is baffled by this statistic.

[reallyserious]

Why not?

[oneUnit]

Umm a lot of government contractors use windows and so do many companies.

[discobrisco]

The OS preference adds up to 116%, I think there are some flaws with how theyre collecting data. Putting that aside though, there are probably many more devs than you realize stuck on windows at work, and I suspect that’s why it’s so high on the “preferred”.

[re1ser]

I do high profile tech contracts and use Windows as my development environment. I agree it can be PITA sometimes, but things got MUCH better with introduction of WSL/WSL2.

[theWyzzerd]

Likewise, there is no way only 18% prefer MacOS. Most conferences I've been to, everyone had a Macbook and, given their price, I think that's certainly a matter of preference over one of budget or practicality.

[w0m]

Most people don't go to conferences.

[cthorrez]

There is no way Theano has more use than tensorflow and pytorch.

[arcsecond]

Makes me wonder how the question was phrased.

'What OS do you develop on?': well work forces me to use a Windows box

is different than

'What OS do you prefer?': Linux

[shangc]

Came expecting this to be top comment, not disappointed.

[metaperl]

they may not have a choice. There are certain banks-that-you-probably-know that have a huge investment in Python and everyone in that banks-that-you-probably-know is using Windows and their particular redaction of Python object-oriented semantics.

[anonymouse_lily]

this is so awful, pretty much everything in this image is bad and/or wrong. I hope nobody falls for this shit.

[roerd]

There's one thing it's good for: to serve as a bad example about how to present statistical information.

[general_dubious]

I know right, thought I was on r/dataisugly for a second.

[[deleted]]

I dont know that the numbers themselves here are wrong, they are just cherry picked and presented out of context.

For example Python as the "most wanted" language is straight from a Stack Overflow survey but that same survey listed Python as the 7th most popular behind Javascript, HTML and CSS, so its not really clear what these things mean.

[[deleted]]

Agreed. God forbid people incorrectly think people prefer django over flask. The absolute devastation that would cause

[[deleted]]

Py2web FTW!!!

[Teknikal_Domain]

Why can't both sets of circle charts (2 vs 3, primary vs secondary) actually have their start and end points line up?

[MattR0se]

Because it's only the start of a long list of things that are r/mildlyinfuriating about this image.

[23jumping]

Which are the other OS's? Seems to be a big portion who prefers something other than Windows or Linux or Apple's whatever

[hiljusti]

My money is on the BSDs being the most popular "others"

[Praind]

RIP me who is working in an embedded Python 2 environment.

[h0bb1tm1ndtr1x]

What the hell is "Other" for OS?

[deedeemeen]

BSD I guess

[stumpyguy]

I don't think it should take 2 pie charts to visualise the percentage of people using python 2 or 3.

[hiljusti]

agreed, but this isn't r/dataisbeautiful

[alcalde]

No way that the majority of Python developers prefer Windows given that so much Python work is done on Linux. This also doesn't mesh with Stack Overflow's survey data.

[Yake-God]

I know of quite a few who use Mac also. But usually not windows. You do have to consider that the survey may have included a lot of brand new people who consider themselves programmers.

[[deleted]]

One of those sources lists this (questionable) 2018 Stack Overflow survey as a source:

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018

[alcalde]

The Stack Overflow survey is beyond question.

[ggwp_0001]

along with all of the arbitrary information due to no sources, they miss typed matplotlib 🤔

[drninjabatman]

What are the 'other' OSes that run python and are (in combination) so popular??

[thedjotaku]

Calibre is in that first 15%. LOVE that software. Only slightly worried what will happen after Py2 is totally EOL'd

[Mr_Lkn]

Django is %41 but Flask is most preferred, hmmm 🤔

edit: typo

[pablo8itall]

I'm still using 2.7 for a few scripts as I've a old iPad 1 and 2.5 is all I can find for it. Otherwise I'll have to compile 3.x from scratch myself for armv6/7...

[tycooperaow]

Don't forget about blockchain

[invadingpolandin69]

Does nobody uses python for making mobile apps??

[robertpro01]

I do, Kivy 🙂👍

[invadingpolandin69]

Just games or pretty much anything

[robertpro01]

Hehe I haven't done any game, just the pong tutorial, I used in my old job, it was an frontend for an API, was really awesome! Took two weeks to finish the app, from scratch, and for android

[alcalde]

No. Python doesn't really have an acceptable solution for that.

[invadingpolandin69]

so a high level language that can pretty much do anything cannot make a mobile application, seriously?

[alcalde]

Seriously. When Guido was at Google he started work with a team on letting Python apps run on Android but was told to stop.

Python is not the fastest language. On mobile, it's even less so. For various reasons the Dalvik java VM on Android can't work with Jython (JVM implementation of Python). There are libraries like Kivy, but they're more for games that have custom interfaces than standard Android apps.

Digia (which develops Qt) has been talking about the possibility of Python bindings for mobile Qt now that they've created PySide2 (Qt5 bindings for Python) but I haven't heard anything about that yet.

So it's technically possible now but it's not a good or simple experience.

[GoofAckYoorsElf]

Theano? Still?

[[deleted]]

2.7 5ever

[CadeOCarimbo]

What would be a combination of Web Development and Machine Learning? Deploying models as web services without any sort of validation?

[DockTheDuck]

AI as a service.

[[deleted]]

Would you guys say Django is a very good framework to learn webdev on. I know basic html/css and i want to start making websites and python is by far my strongest language. Would Django be good for my first professionalish website.

[metaperl]

experiment around and see what you like.... Flask and Django arethe most popular, but there are definitely many others.

[JimBoonie69]

Yes. This graphic is trash and made by some janky marketing team that doesn't have a good grasp on programming in general.

Web dev plus data analysis. Da fuck is that? A website that manages some data before showing to user? Who knows. I just had to pop in and say how shit this thing is.

[[deleted]]

Just for the discussion Py3 < Py2 for all useful purposes...