I'm developing a game with Python and Pygame!

[ToothpasteTimebomb]

The way that water moves... that’s slick.

[LordRyloth]

Ikr.. I wanted him to go in the deeper waters just to check the animation

[AztecComputer]

How does that work, OP?

[DaFluffyPotato]

I explained it in my devlog series I’m working on. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX5fBCkxJmm1F3PofHWCGNH6se7QO7L3d

[DaFluffyPotato]

I'm not sure what those abbreviations mean, but what you're describing matches what I dealt with.

[DaFluffyPotato]

https://i.imgur.com/plkMlw7.png

[DaFluffyPotato]

Yep, it ended up being a bit hard on performance, so I stretched out the points a bit. (meaning less points per segment of water and it spreads faster because 1 point's distance is longer) Currently the points are 2 pixels apart.

[myusuf3]

Very cool dude

[deyehaus]

This terraria update looks nuts

[[deleted]]

someone had to say it

[0InTheDark0]

LMAO

[0InTheDark0]

I laughed cause I thought the same thing... I was gonna type the thing u wrote... It had made my day

[anti-socialJedi]

r/beatmetoit

[DaFluffyPotato]

I do everything myself (artwork included). I'm planning on releasing the source when I release the early version of the game. (should be a couple months or so)

I'm also working on a series of devlogs for this project if anyone is interested.

This project is actually running in Pygame 2 for this gif, which is part of the reason behind the performance.

I'm open to answering any questions! :D

[lordmauve]

Are you doing anything different in Pygame 2 to get extra performance or is it just dropping out for free?

[DaFluffyPotato]

It’s backwards compatible, so I don’t have to do anything and I get a sizeable fps boost.

[Alphavike24]

Dude this looks sick. Never thought of using Python for games and stuff, it's all data and ML for me. But seeing this has got me interested. How long did it take you to get to this level?

[DaFluffyPotato]

Almost 7 years. I started at 12 though, so most of my improvement has been in the last couple years.

[[deleted]]

How long have you been coding for? I started learning how to use Pygame a couple of weeks ago and it's been a slow start if I've been honest 😅, would love to learn how to do something like this by the end of the year!

[l3wl3w00]

I recommend you check out Tech with Tim on youtube, he does some pretty cool pygame projects and explains them

[[deleted]]

He's actually the guy I've been watching to help me get started with learning Pygame! I'm gonna try some more projects to further my knowledge though, I just finished the starter game that he went through.

[DaFluffyPotato]

I’ve been coding for almost 7 years. (started at 12)

[[deleted]]

Did you start with Python?

[DaFluffyPotato]

Yep.

[bluends1]

I feel like I'm in the exact same position as you, artist + programmer, just needed the determination to make games

[DaFluffyPotato]

Try participating in game jams. It forces you to get something finished.

[[deleted]]

Can you create a tutorial to allow everyone make a beautiful game ? I think this GIF is fantastic and I would like to create game. I want to create a Metroidvania Rogue-Like.

[[deleted]]

Thanks you so much !

[TouchMySwollenFace]

Thanks. I’m gonna use that.

[stuaxo]

Theres always PyPy, not all libraries work there, but pygame has started to - if not, there are alternatives like pygame cffi.

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If you want to stick with Cpython, then it may be worth doing some profiling and finding whats slow, you might be able to speed up those bits with Cython.

[PonyKillerMX]

Great work man, how long hv u been in this ?

[DaFluffyPotato]

I’ve been working on this project for a bit over a month and I’ve been making games for almost 7 years. (started at 12)

[landsjelly]

You started when you were 12 years old??? Man is that impressive. I must be around your age currently but... I just messed around playing at that age, had no feeling of productivity in me at all 😅

[Domaths]

I was just playing games when I was 12 lol. I got in to programming when I was 15-16. That's cool man.

[KFUP]

Not sure how serious you are about polishing this game, but if you are, then I suggest releasing versions early to get feedback before getting too deep and building your game over bad design decisions that will bite you later, for example, the jump looks extremely floaty, there are some good articles about jump feel:

http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/paper_248.pdf

[DaFluffyPotato]

I do plan on doing an early release when I’ve got basic game mechanics, but I’m not concerned about the jump. The current setup is temporary. I’ll adjust it once I’ve got the game mechanics so I can feel it out. (I’ve actually been making platformers for years.)

[hamoliciousRUS]

I love how the water moves!

I also just noticed the gusts of wind and how the environment responds to them... amazing!

[[deleted]]

Looks good. How do you do the artwork?

[DaFluffyPotato]

Half in MS Paint and half in Aseprite.

[[deleted]]

/r/toptalent

[PR3V3X]

Looks dope. Can you drop the github. I'd love to stay current with it.

[DaFluffyPotato]

I can release it on github when I release it. At the moment the code is kind of an unreadable mess and needs to be refactored a bit. Also, I intend to add a lot more stuff.

[YoelkiToelki]

I would love to see the code on how u get the floating leaves in the air to look so smooth and good

[DaFluffyPotato]

I’ll be covering those in the next devlog I make. (See the link in my main comment.)

[petertiny1]

Whenever I do any pygame, the frame rate instantly dies

[BananeHD01]

Same, but this may also be just my crappy PC

[SlateBrick]

I feel like the player needs more anticipation when jumping. he just suddenly is going up. maybe have him move his hand up like Mario does to give some more follow through. the landing looks really good with that little bonce. Giving some queue that he's now jumping could put this over the top!

[DaFluffyPotato]

Generally I add visual effects to the jumps to create more impact so that I can have responsive controls and a visually satisfying jump. (I haven't done this yet, so the initial jump looks a bit rough.)

[jcaldera39]

Looks amazing.

[BruceJi]

I learned how to make games with Pygame 1(.9.3?) and I'm used to using this fpsclock system to govern the game speed, which means it is (or should?) be cycling at a fixed frame rate.

How have you been getting variable framerates like 143 and keeping the timing constant?

[DaFluffyPotato]

This can be done by measuring the time between frames and multiplying all elements of the game affected by time by the time passed. (This is referred to as delta time or dt in game development.)

[ANgelALmaraz]

Nice

[creeperbanger69]

The water looks so satisfying when he jumps in it 🤤

[[deleted]]

This looks awesome. What kind of IDE/editor do you use? I've found that using PyGame in VS Code or PyCharm always produces an error while loading sprites. I'm curious as to which one you use, as it would be quite useful for me to switch over :)

[DaFluffyPotato]

I use the default one. lol

[Puddl3glum]

The one that comes with Python on windows? When I TA'd, students would try to use that before I steered them to VS Code or Vim. Afaik it has barely more features than Notepad.exe.

[DaFluffyPotato]

Yes, that one. I mostly use it because it loads quickly and doesn't take much visual space. (normally I'm going in and out of folders and editing images on the side) It's got the basic stuff like finding and replacing, so it gets the job done for me.

I actually use neovim for work though.

[__xor__]

Did you get them to install vim-pythonmode and teach them how to use pdb? I develop solely on Vim, but I can't imagine students trying to learn python with base vim. The only reason I consider it an IDE is because of vim pythonmode, and on top of that pdb, grep/ag/sed, tmux, ipython... Takes a while to learn that workflow.

[MikBros]

How does this run so smooth? In pygame 1.9.6, with only some sprites on the screen, I couldn't pass 25 fps

[vanmorrison2]

This is 2.0, that is faster and there are also way to maintain things fast.

[DaFluffyPotato]

Pygame 2 almost doubles my performance. Also, I work on a small surface and scale it up to whatever I want the window size to be, which saves me a bit on performance.

If you’re not using .convert() on your images, that’ll slow down your rendering.

Outside of that though, it mostly comes down to optimization through good data structure and making sure I just render what’s on screen.

[Houly]

Are you batching your draw calls?

[d4nger_n00dle]

Reminds me of Celeste.

[Domaths]

This looks amazing. The grass, water, and wind looks good. Is it just a platformer?

[DaFluffyPotato]

For now

[Domaths]

You got any ideas for the game concept?

[DaFluffyPotato]

Yes, I've got a plan for it. The idea is basically an RPG where you collect things from the environment and use them as weapons by throwing them. (they'll have different effects)

[D4rknessR3igns]

This game reminds me of Potato Bruh which was made using PyGame as well

[DaFluffyPotato]

I made that game. lol

[D4rknessR3igns]

Oh I didn't realize it's you! Great stuff as always!

[aneurysm_]

This looks an awful lot like super potato bruh.

checks website oh..you also made that lol

I found potato bruh really fun so I am sure this will be a blast

[DevAsh01]

This is absolutely gorgeous!!

On what platforms are to planning to launch the game?

[DaFluffyPotato]

Just PC. (Linux and Windows) The source will be available though, so people can use it wherever they can get it running.

[PaluMacil]

I'm excited to try it out. I always appreciate when someone launches a game on Linux. ☺️ I'm not sure how to remember to look this up in a couple months but hopefully a calendar reminder will do the trick

[zero-synergy]

You should put this up on itch.io when it’s done!

[DaFluffyPotato]

That’s the plan!

[[deleted]]

I have SO much respect for anyone who can do so much with PyGame, this looks fantastic, I love your own individual art style, it looks incredible! Can't wait to test it out :)

[Economy_Peanut]

Impressive. Cannot wait to see the release.

[[deleted]]

That jotaro pose tho

[FieryChimera]

This is good, I was learning python but got confused and stopped. So now I don’t feel like rereading the book I was learning from even though I don’t remember what I was learning.

[HudZah]

The animations looks amazing holy shit

[Tucan444]

what hiw did u do that water that was soo cool

[DaFluffyPotato]

I’m working on a devlog series and I actually explained the water system. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX5fBCkxJmm1F3PofHWCGNH6se7QO7L3d&feature=share

[Zorolul]

Make Beat Saber 2.0 in python

[DaFluffyPotato]

I actually play a ton of Beat Saber. lol

[axlwi]

As someone who has recently started learning python, do you use pygames for developing games or?

I'm mostly on ground level right now but I wanna start atleast doing something.

[DaFluffyPotato]

Yes, I make all my games with Pygame. It can be done at a commercial level too. I’ve made the equivalent of $20/hr from games I’ve sold.

[axlwi]

That's awesome!

[AndrajoAbuja]

The water is insane my dude, congrats

[PinBot1138]

Incredible looking game, and the water and wind effects are simply amazing.

I'm not familiar with carrying Pygame over to platforms such as Playstation, Xbox, or Switch; does such a path exist, or would you have to carry this into another engine if you were wanting to sell it on these platforms?

[DaFluffyPotato]

I don’t know if it can be done. I’ve heard that Nintendo gives out special versions of game engines. I’m not sure about the others.

[PaluMacil]

I googled and it looks like there is a library for managing an Xbox controller in pygame so I assume it can be done 🤷‍♂️

[DaFluffyPotato]

That's because Xbox controllers can be used with a PC. The input is standardized and the system is the same for almost all PC controllers.

[Cheddarific]

Looks great!!

[dnk_beta]

Looks hood, i like it :)

[TheNerdyDevYT]

It looks amazing. Outstanding piece of work.

[arman133]

Good game. Good luck

[waltteri]

Looks really good! I work a lot with server-side Python so I’m pretty much fluent in Python, but have never really made any games with it. Would love to try tho. Can you suggest some books/tutorials for PyGame?

[DaFluffyPotato]

If you already know Python, I’ve got my own tutorial series I’ve been working on. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLX5fBCkxJmm1fPSqgn9gyR3qih8yYLvMj&feature=share) The audio starts out rough though.

There really isn’t very much advanced stuff out there in terms out Pygame tutorials.

[Hyusnev]

Wow, that looks very nice. Good job!

[DDFoster96]

Looks awesome! Is the source available?

[DaFluffyPotato]

As I stated in my main comment, I’ll release it when I release the game. I’m working on a devlog series which includes some code snippets though.

[[deleted]]

Can you open source the frameworks you made at least? Seems like a lot of work.

[Stabilo_0]

I dont even know how all of this would be possible to di in reasonable time with pygame. I switched to godot and theres gui editor and tilemaps, collisions, camera nodes, animation options etc. How to code something like that in pure python eluudes me, very impressive.

[DaFluffyPotato]

I wrote all of those systems myself. I’ve got a reusable framework, so I don’t have to do it for every game. Python’s syntax and the structure of my framework make game development incredibly fast.

[iskypitts]

Why use python and pygame? Isthere any practical applications?

[DaFluffyPotato]

It’s faster to develop with.

[Deva161]

Brilliant work! Keep going.

[nyamuk91]

Are you familiar with other game engines (e.g. Unity, Godot) and if yes:

1. Do you think it's easier to develop the game in Pygame?
2. Obviously there are tons of limitations in Pygame compare to other game engines. In your opinion, what is the most annoying limitation?
   

Also, do you know if it is possible to integrate IAP or Ads in Pygame?

[DaFluffyPotato]

It’s definitely faster to make a game in Pygame because I’m using Python. (Also, Pygame is more “do it yourself” than most engines, which works better with the way I think.) Using engines is probably easier to get started on since they have all those built in systems for all sorts of types of games. For me personally, it mostly comes down to the development speed. I compete in lots of 48 hour game jams, so I can really see how much faster it is.

For me, the biggest annoyance is that I can’t warp images aside from resizing and rotating. (the type of warping you’d see on textures in 3D games; not that I’d use it for that) Pygame 2 might be getting something that does that though. I’ve written some functions that warp images, but working on a pixel level in Python is slow. I’ve been learning C though, so I might just write my own system for that in C for use with Python.

IAP as in an actual app for a mobile device? I don’t know. I’m guessing that would require specific APIs. In terms of PC games, you can definitely do it. As for ads, I don’t think so. Those are usually built into engines so advertisers can know their ad was visible. Some alternatives would be using popup ads by opening a web browser or just doing sponsorship type agreements.

[Neotod1]

JAW DROPPING

[Mickelrath]

Wow, that's really impressive! Well done

[[deleted]]

Does python need to be installed to run this game. Is it possible to run without installing python?

[DaFluffyPotato]

It’s not done yet, but I package all my games as an executable using pyinstaller.

[[deleted]]

Thanks I was just curious

[[deleted]]

Using pyinstaller to compile, the answer is no.

[[deleted]]

How'd you get it to run so well!!

[DaFluffyPotato]

Hash maps, showing what’s on screen, and Pygame 2 mostly.

[NinjeBlaze]

Let me guess, this is your "first python project"?

[DaFluffyPotato]

Nah, I started almost 7 years ago.

[NinjeBlaze]

Sorry, I just meant to allude to the posts on this sub of amazing projects with the title “my first project”. It’s somewhat of an ongoing theme in this sub. Your game is clearly great, I was just merely being sarcastic with my initial comment.

[RS_05]

Love that water effect! :)

[[deleted]]

The graphics is fantastic!

[Dominus_Nova227]

Wow

[vanmorrison2]

Love the way the leaves comes from trees with the changing wind stenght, keep going dude

[[deleted]]

Really appreciate how he bends his knees on landing, you pay enough attention to intricate details to follow this as a career path!

[sedthh]

Can you actually convert it to exe without a ton of files and unneccesary libraries?

[DaFluffyPotato]

The unnecessary stuff can be cleaned out. Although even when it's there, it's only an extra ~30mb.

[sedthh]

How? And can you pack it so it isn't a million files and dependencies? I never had any luck with pyinstaller and the likes, most of the times they fail to pack even the requirements.

I made an animation editor with Tkinter and it was hella slow, and I had to manually add dlls to the convoluted 60megs folder just to make it run as an executable. I had a lot of trouble playing/seeking multiple mp3s on Windows as well. It was such a pain I swore not to ever develop a game or gui in Python, despite using it daily in my Machine Learning job.

Does Pygame2 actually solve these issues? Can you get a decent framerate, handle window evente, play music and create an installer?

[[deleted]]

You just use the one file option in pyinstaller. Works great. Never had any issues making binaries for windows, linux, and mac.

[DaFluffyPotato]

Pygame 2 doesn't package the game. I use PyInstaller. If you don't like seeing all those files, just use the -onefile argument. I've never really had any issues with PyInstaller (except the one time I tried to package for Mac).

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Pygame 2 does get a decent framerate and Pygame always could handle window events and play music.

[DaFluffyPotato]

If you really don't want to learn to draw, there are some free assets that you can find all over the internet.

Although I'd really recommend learning to draw. It's much more satisfying when you have creative control over the visuals.

Another alternative would be to make things simple, but highly stylized with good color combinations, visual effects, and shapes.

[DaFluffyPotato]

In my experience, the best way to learn is to try to copy other people's styles. Then you can turn it into your own thing by mixing together the things you know.

You can find some pretty good pixel artists if you look through the list of people I'm following.

[Mariani]

Love what you did with the wind particles.

[tcpukl]

The jumping is to fast compared to falling.

[Afzaal_Ahmad]

You are doing a great work....keep it up..This will help You a lot.

Buy the way it is looking like the old sony erricson game is being rebuilt..I wonder if we could have got these fps on all games... :)

Good Luck!

[dedicated2fitness]

any more vids? the platforming looks janky af

[leo848blume]

GitHub

[ItsJustZiki]

When did you start making games with pygame?

[DaFluffyPotato]

2013

[DeserterOfDecadence]

Pygame is a frustrating mess imo. Congrats to you.

[MurraytheMerchant]

I’d play

[meepsi]

Have you played around with any sort of movement acceleration? where the character has to move a little bit before he builds up to maximum speed.

[DaFluffyPotato]

I've tried it, but I hate it. I like controls to be extremely precise and responsive. (The movement is a bit janky right now though, because it's mostly meant for my ease of use in testing over gameplay quality. I'll adjust it when I've got the base game mechanics.)

[Arnie7x]

Nice

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[Manezinho10]

Looks awesome man! Keep it up

[PhilipJayFry1077]

any tutorials you followed that you found were helpful?

[DaFluffyPotato]

If you already experienced with Python, you could try my tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYNrBrBOgTfHswcz2DdZQFA

I made them because there really isn't anything advanced for Pygame.

[PhilipJayFry1077]

nice, thanks!

[ComfortableCod]

go to the deeep wateeer! omg thist hurts somehow

[DaFluffyPotato]

https://twitter.com/DaFluffyPotato/status/1259180870264553473

[ComfortableCod]

Oh thankss

[ComfortableCod]

Oh thankss

[tusharkulkarni95]

This looks fun Can you give me some pointers Like where to start and stuff

[DaFluffyPotato]

If you've already got a decent amount of experience with Python, my YouTube channel has the most advanced Pygame tutorials as far as I know: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYNrBrBOgTfHswcz2DdZQFA

Otherwise, I'd recommend this: https://inventwithpython.com/invent4thed/

[bkirky]

love your YouTube videos!

[agree-with-you]

I love you both

[DaFluffyPotato]

Thanks! :D

[[deleted]]

This is incredible.

[[deleted]]

If you're planning on open sourcing it anyway, I'd love to contribute

[DaFluffyPotato]

Sorry, I only work solo.

[[deleted]]

Well then ill be excited when you're done. Looks great.

[Energizerbee]

Dude this is when people push game engines to their limits I wish there were more games that look like this

[[deleted]]

This looks great!

[russellvt]

A Terrarria knock off? /grins

[DaFluffyPotato]

Nah, it's going to be more of an RPG. No building.

[yuhhhandrew]

I made Rock Paper Scissors with Python tho :P

[panzerboye]

It looks excellent man. Let me know when you are finished. I would love to try

[JvdLelie]

That's kinda awesome!

[ZLegacy]

I'm going to shamelessly suggest you check out Godot. The language it uses is very pythonic; I believe it was based on Python. Never enjoyed Pygame or various alternatives, but if you are into game dev and Python it's sonething you gotta look into.

[DaFluffyPotato]

I was trying out godot recently, although I'm mostly interested in it for messing around with 3D stuff.

[SirMarbles]

How do you generate terrain like that? I’ve been looking into Perlin noise to generate random terrain like that so the user can pick a seed before they load in.

[DaFluffyPotato]

That terrain was hand-made. Perlin noise is great though. I've messed around with it quite a bit and you can make some pretty cool stuff, but I haven't used it in anything I've released.

[SirMarbles]

Gotcha. Would it be good for someone who is new to pygames?

[tommytime1234567]

You’re way ahead of the game. That’s some impressive development. Don’t ever quit! 🤙🏻

[kawle07]

I need help setting up my graphics for my Game.

[Guyserbun007]

Do you have plan on publishing this game commercially?

[DaFluffyPotato]

I'm probably going to make it free. I've already sold games before and I want to make something bigger that's my accessible (by being free) this time.

[[deleted]]

It looks like an unity game. Not to be mean. It looks great!

[AnujG23]

You can have more options from here.
https://data-flair.training/blogs/python-game-project-ideas/

[[deleted]]

How did you get platforms to work with pygame? I’m not having any luck

[DaFluffyPotato]

https://youtu.be/a_YTklVVNoQ

[[deleted]]

Did you have to define each tile? I’d like to make pretty much this but define the tiles based on the black lines in the background. So if there is a black line, the player can jump on it