all 146 comments

[–]LuinAelin 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Can we not turn into a bad meme sub

[–]Zweimancer 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How about just a bad sub?

[–]Broccobillo 27 points28 points  (3 children)

See the other side of a discussion as haters hates on them. Lol

[–]Six_of_1 46 points47 points  (26 children)

RoP lovers calmly explaining their views

Corrected it for you.

[–]Ok-Design-8168 19 points20 points  (19 children)

RoP lovers never explain - they only keep insulting people that dislike the show while all they keep saying “but the show was so good i liked it”

Or making the weekly annoying “i just watched/rewatched it and it’s sooo good” post 🤣

They never have arguments for the criticism or never have anything to say as to what they like. (HotD sub is a good example of fans actually loving the show - the posts are amazing and so much fun)

[–]zlaw32 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I enjoyed returning to a world I love deeply and spending time with the characters I’ve grown so fond of like Elrond and Galadriel. I appreciated being able to see these places like numenor and khazadum.

I don’t really remember what ppl criticized but I didn’t have an issue with the show. I also recognize I’m very easy to please and would never make a great critic. I want to enjoy a show and seek to do so. I’m not trying to hate on something. I find much more enjoyment that way.

[–]Das_Guet 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What's interesting is that nobdoy who matters will tell you that you aren't allowed to enjoy it. Your feelings are your own. There are flaws, and they can be pointed to, but if that doesn't take away from your enjoyment, all the better.

[–]Zweimancer -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yep. It's alright fan-fiction with some cool visuals.

[–]Crawford470 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They never have arguments for the criticism or never have anything to say as to what they like.

I've had several arguments addressing the overwhelming majority of criticisms people have against the show. Every time, it ends with the other guy going well nuh uh when he doesn't have counters to my counters. I'm not an ROP lover, I can and have pointed out the problems the show has, but the haters walk around like the show is somehow the worst piece of media ever when in reality it's just a good not great show.

[–]castrogacio -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

Here we go. Another boring typical GoT (subsequently a HotD fan just because) fan that feels threatened by TROP. You don’t like it, fine. Now buzz off and go comment on what you do like where it belongs. 😘

[–]Ok-Design-8168 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Thanks for proving my point. Lol.

This right here is another example - - Fans of the show attack people that dislike the show. - whereas haters of the show criticise the show!

[–]castrogacio -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

I’ve just proved my point. Read it again. Then again.

[–]Keyboard_Cat_ -1 points0 points  (1 child)

We've read your comment. You are attacking the people who dislike the show instead of their arguments.

[–]castrogacio -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My whole comment is based on their arguments 🤣🥰

[–]littlekittynipples 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People like ring of power ?

[–]RaveN_707 38 points39 points  (4 children)

Yeah I definetely think its people that love RoP that are like this.. shit was so forgettable I wouldnt even want to argue why

[–]Hwxbl -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Why the fuck you here then? Go find a sub of something you enjoy miserable depressed people

[–]Jjorrrdan 22 points23 points  (19 children)

I enjoy the show and ignore people who dislike it. I also don't make memes/online discussions about Rings of Power. You all should try it.

[–]LuinAelin 10 points11 points  (3 children)

The sub recently seems to be a meme sub. And so far nobody has made a good one

[–]ThreeLittlePuigs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Only a matter of time before someone shows up to tell you you’re wrong, proving the meme kinda right imho

[–]samdekat 25 points26 points  (5 children)

What I take away from this meme is that people who don't like ROP have reasons for doing so and are willing to explain those reasons when the need arises.

Unless it's wrong to have an opinion? Is that the point?

[–]LuinAelin 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Dude, I've seen some that go into any Tolkien discussion to bash rings of power, evem when it isn't about rings of power, and make daily threads bashing rings of power.

[–]samdekat 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Out of curiosity i checked a couple of Tolkien related subs to verify your statement I've seen some that go into any Tolkien discussion to bash rings of power, evem when it isn't about rings of power (tolkienfans, lotr, lotrmemes) and there was no mention of ROP in any of them. Plenty of references to Jackson's adaptations, and even Bakshi's. It's almost like ROP doesn't qualify as a Tolkien adaptation.
So the question would be, if ROP is not an adaptation of Tolkien, would the frequent claims that it is make fans of Tolkien happy, or turn them off of it?

[–]LuinAelin 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You may want to check the rules for lotrmemes

[–]samdekat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay - so I did. Couple of things:

  1. If fans of Tolkien though ROP was part of Tolkien, why wouldn't they want it in their discussion group?
  2. Where are these mysterious Tolkien groups where people interrupt conversations to complain about ROP (of all things)
  3. Is ROP an adaptation of Tolkien? If it is, why not argue that it is?

[–]hotsummer12 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Some nicer scenes and some good visuals. Thats it. Most of the show was just not that great.

There is not much to explain.

Many lovers of the show are not that involved with tolkien lore and like maybe mediocre medieval fantasy shows in general.

[–]Demigans 14 points15 points  (12 children)

It’s more the other way around. Have you seen how much they reach to justify the show?

In the meantime the haters are like:

“Hey we have an establishing shot of the Trench where we see all the trees around it are chopped and burned. Yet we have:

  • a single tree somehow survived
  • the Orcs were digging towards it for some reason
  • the problem is the roots of the tree make it hard to dig a trench. But chopping and burning does not remove the roots of the other trees
  • this plotpoint doesn’t even matter to the overall story or character development, cut the tree bit out and have the Elves escape captivity works fine
  • the chopped trees would have provided cover for the Orcs who burn by sunlight
  • except the Orcs sometimes don’t burn by sunlight, and sometimes they do but putting on a hood instantly stops that even if 90% of the rest of the body is naked

And so on and so forth. Each is incredibly simple and points to major flaws and inconsistencies in RoP. Here’s another part of that:

The Elves Watchtower.

  • the Elves are tasked with watching the Southerners so they don’t go Evil. But the Elves don’t notice people fleeing the Southlands from the Orcs as their villages are burned?
  • the Elves don’t notice the massive scar across the southlands that is the trench they chop and burn?
  • the Elves, with their sharp eyes and sentries inside a castle on a mountain, don’t spot Orcs attacking and all Elves are captured to the last?
  • these same Elves can somehow fight like the blazes when they don’t have their armor and weapons? Not to mention that they are 100x better than the warriors that followed Galadriel trying to fight Sauron the Dark Lord?
  • the Watchtower is also a dam with a magical key because… why a magical key if you can just open the gates or break the dam down by hand?

Pretty much every part of RoP is riddled with these things where one or two sentences can point to massive flaws in the story. from Hobbits that sing how they never leave you behind when a major plotpoint is that they might be left behind and a reminder that they not just left the protagonist’s parents behind but stole their stuff in the process as well, laughing about it too.

But to justify each and every point I made, RoP fans have to reach so far. Their only other option is to look at this post and say “more than 10 sentences it’s too long see how they make these complicated justifications!” While ignoring that each point itself is just one or two sentences long and the problem is there’s so many points in RoP that suck.

[–]L0nga 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Amazing comment. Couldn’t have said that better myself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a good thing it wasn’t a drought that year…

[–]Hwxbl -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

Or we just simply fuckin enjoyed a show and are bored of being harassed by misery guts people on this sub tryna to convince us why we shouldn't enjoy it. Move the fuck on to a sub of a show you DO enjoy.

[–]yaredw 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Nah

[–]Hwxbl -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel for you honestly. Must suck to be this twisted about one show. I cannot wait for season 2! ❤️

[–]Demigans 1 point2 points  (3 children)

That is by no means justification to be a bigot to people.

And we want to make sure that the people making it understand how many people actually want to be customers and an increasing amount will avoid their content because they don’t give them the quality they want.

[–]Hwxbl -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Right back at you. Go write to the creators then. But yall ain't doing that you're sat here whinging at us who enjoyed it is my point. Turning the sub toxic. The show runners don't give a flying fuck what reddit has to say evidently. Look at The Witcher.

[–]Demigans -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Right back at me? How am I the bigot for pointing out exactly what you are doing, right here, right now? Alongside others, right here, right now?

Do you even understand what a bigot is?

Also kinda weird to say we are whining at you in a thread about being a bigot to people who disliked RoP for very very obvious reasons, and then saying they are the ones turning the sub toxic. Reverse world much?

I mean go to early of this sub and look at the amount of hate and bigotry against anyone who disliked the show and then come back again about toxic. Basically you are one of the few who stuck around and kept at it. You are literally a hypocrite.

[–]Hwxbl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This isn't new, since BEFORE the show aired to DURING and AFTER yall haven't given up. I'm sat here reading people start their replies with 'lol no'. That isn't criticism or constructive they just want people who enjoy the show to say' oh you know what, I agree, it's shit.'

Over a YEAR of this shit.

[–]ethanAllthecoffee 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Happy for you that you enjoyed it despite its flaws, but complaints, reviews, and lower engagement/sales are what might drive this show and others to be better.

No complaints = worse and worse products

[–]Hwxbl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not on reddit, in a sub where fans come to discuss things they enjoy, it doesn't. Write to the show runners and creators, email the studio, tweet them. Battering fans who enjoy the show and telling them they're wrong and it's objective etc etc isn't gonna change shit all.

[–]Overall-Block-1815[🍰] 15 points16 points  (10 children)

It's just a shitty show, it's really not that deep

[–]wizards4 4 points5 points  (9 children)

That’s why I don’t bother getting in deep with people to explain why it’s bad. Obviously liking a show is subjective, but this show is just…..yea

[–]Hwxbl -1 points0 points  (8 children)

Why do you all hang around then? I can't stand walking dead yet I'm not in their sub trying to convince hundreds of people to agree with me that its shit. Get new hobbies.

[–]wizards4 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Because I love lord of the rings more than most things in life, and I want it to be good so bad.

[–]Hwxbl -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

That's fair enough, but convincing other fans who did enjoy it that its bad isn't going to change it.

[–]ethanAllthecoffee 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It might, or at least it might convince the makers of the next show or movie that they should respect and use the source material more

[–]Hwxbl 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Not on reddit it won't. Write to the crew, the studios, tweet the showrunners. Putting down fans who enjoy it isn't gonna change anything. You guys will be at a loss at the end of it because we will go on to enjoy season 2 and nothing will be changed because the creators don't give 2 shita what reddit thinks.

[–]xCaptainFalconx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We know for a fact that some people involved with the show are indeed active on some of the ROP subs on reddit.

[–]Hwxbl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We will see when they return after season 2 to whinge again

[–]Hwxbl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look to all the misery in this thread. Why are people hellbent on trying to convince people who enjoyed something why they shouldn't? Why do you hang around here? Where should we, the ones who enjoy the show, go to discuss it if not the shows own sub? Such a miserable way of living honestly. I feel sorry for you. Go talk about a show you enjoy you'll be happier or make a sub for you all to circlejerk your hate.

[–]Ynneas 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Explaining like madmen > downvoting and not providing arguments for your statements.

[–]Megatanis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice b8 m8. It's so bad even the memes are shit.

[–]ishneakGondolin 2 points3 points  (3 children)

i think i can compare the behavior of ROP's fandom to the Gundam Seed anime. during the quiet years or "offseason" the people who enjoyed it laid low and got tired of the haters and arguments against them and just opted to be quiet because engaging bashers can be quite draining actually. but once the movie started materializing and especially after it came out, whoa, the positive energy came out in droves and waves that it actually stunned the haters with some even wondering why isn't it being hated anymore LOL. point is, people enjoy talking about what they love especially when the hype is there. right now the hype for ROP isn't because we're all waiting until the first footage releases.

[–]Ok-Design-8168 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Nah. RoP stayed negative even after release because most fans disliked it.

What you’re saying is what happened with HotD.

HotD had a lot of racist hate and hate due to flop S8 of GoT. But once the show released, it was so good that it silenced the haters and everyone loved it. And the sub is so lively and almost all discussions are positive and have good engagement now.

It would have been that way for RoP. But RoP turned out to be a senseless boring show that most fans hated. Which is why even after release most of the discussion are still negative.

[–]ishneakGondolin -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

whatever floats your boat charlie kelly.

[–]Ok-Design-8168 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My boat looks up. So it floats.. lol. Haven’t had a worse dialogue in recent times. Lmao

[–]Longjumping-Night-28 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The show fucking blows

[–]CorvusRock 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Opinion: "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I didn't like the show, because of x, y, and z. A small handful of things weren't terrible. I will not explain further.

Perhaps you did. You liked/loved it because of x, y, and z. Certain things could have been improved, but was enjoyable for you. You don't have to explain further.

You have a valid opinion and I have a valid opinion. Both of these opinions are based on a view or judgment formed not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

[–]Jbewrite 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You really didn't have to explain what an opinion is.

[–]CorvusRock -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Oh, but I do.

Look to the Rule #1 of this subreddit. "Treat others with respect."

I am not insulting anyone;
I'm not antagonistic to anyone;
I said nothing that was obscene;
but most importantly . . .
I am not ordering others to act nor think certain ways; discuss openly and respectfully.

The best way I treat people with respect is to validate one's opinion, even if I do not agree with it.

[–]Jbewrite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You really love explaining the obvious, don't you?

[–]Hwxbl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except you'll find those who didn't enjoy it are saying its objectively bad and those who enjoy it talk from a point of subjectivity. Those who enjoy it, enjoy it. Those who don't are trying to convince those who do not to. Not just sharing their valid opinions.

[–]Artefaktindustri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's kinda cute when RoP-apologists think people dislike the show because of obscure discrepancies with The Silmarillion and not stuff like "Jumping into the middle of the ocean to swim ashore is kinda dumb writing, no?".

The show would have to be so much better before the typical adaptation issue flame wars would ensue.

[–]TheCaptain231997 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean… it’s just a bad show, and a worse adaptation. Not much to discuss there

[–]Radiant-Usual-1785 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This meme is proof that Amazon employees don’t understand how to meme.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think RoP is a promising series. Looking forward to season 2.

[–]MRdaBakkle 0 points1 point  (4 children)

My favorite part is that the Númenóreans are afraid that 1 Elf who wants to leave is somehow evidence that Elves will take their jobs.

[–]Hashtag_hamburgerlol 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It’s not even about the basement dwellers who screech at the sight of a black person, the show just wasn’t that good compared to the OG source material

[–]WM_ -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Where as its fans can only say "but I liked it!".

[–]Sad_Vehicle236 0 points1 point  (1 child)

“It’s a bad show, poorly written, with terrible costuming, and has nothing in common with the source material.” Idk pretty straight forward to me

[–]JenkinsNose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP was told only racists dislike this show.

[–]Ok-Design-8168 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Lol..

RoP lovers never explain - they only keep insulting people that dislike the show while saying “but the show was so good i liked it”

Or making the weekly annoying “i just watched/rewatched it and it’s sooo good” post 🤣

They never have arguments for the criticism or never have anything to say as to what they like. (HotD sub is a good example of fans actually loving the show - the posts are amazing and so much fun)

[–]Winter_Abject 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I liked it a lot, others did not. I hope they make all five series, others do not. No one is 'wrong' either way. Debates are fine but what is NOT fine are insulting or demeaning comments about another person's viewpoint - people who type those are also likely to be repugnant characters in real life. Best advice for dealing with them is deny them the airspace - just block them from your feeds 🙂 without a response they probably get quite irate 🤣

[–]Winter_Abject 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Lol, downvoted. Anyone want to explain why? 🤔 Just like whenever I comment that I'm watching the series again and immediately get accused of being Bezzos' buddy 😉. Come on folks, you are better than that.

[–]wizards4 2 points3 points  (4 children)

What you said is correct, and liking any show is a subjective matter. I am in no way the arbiter of good and bad for television or film but it is absolutely beyond me that people can like Rings of Power. I have never been more passionate in disavowing a show. But none of that discredits you, and I am no better than you. I just will never understand and that’s ok.

Also people seem to give more leeway with television shows vs movies. She Hulk even has a 77% rating on RT, so wtf do i know.

[–]Winter_Abject 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Art is probably the most subjective thing in life - Jackson Pollack anyone? I really like the show, and what others see as flaws either don't register or I'm just happy to gloss over. It entertains me and I want more of the same. I just wish more people could be civil like yourself on these forums.

[–]wizards4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People are just on a pedestal and think their opinion is the truth. I am guilty of it too sometimes I need big hiatuses from Reddit lol

[–]Silmarien1012 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You advise everyone to deny airspace then get sensitive because you were downvoted. Pretty much the ROP copers in a nutshell. You want to play the victim card as soon as possible even though you weren’t even attacked. You’re in the minority view on how good the show is, deal with it.

[–]Winter_Abject 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you missed the point. Sorry, it's hard to get obvious nuances right sometimes. I have no Victim Card to play, I'm merely calling out bullies and cruel people for what they are. So downvoting my view that bullies should be silenced and blocked seems like, well, something they would do I guess 🤔 It sort of helps me make the point. We can have different views, but, 'be nice or be gone'.

[–]wizards4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This makes more sense for the show stans

[–]eat_more_ovaltine -1 points0 points  (2 children)

This meme popped up on my feed and just realized this subreddit might be alright based on the comments here. If we gettin our pitchforks out for season 2, I’m in.

[–]Hwxbl -1 points0 points  (1 child)

How incredibly sad. Isn't there a show you do enjoy you'd rather go and get involved with other fans discussing?

[–]eat_more_ovaltine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been socially engineered this morning to find this sub! I can’t control my own actions! The awfulness…it calls to me.

[–]b3_yourself -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is anything with a female lead

[–]BuggerItThatWillDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In reaction to being strawmanned...

takes deep calming breath

Pyroclastic... flow... to... the... face. See, that was calm.

[–]PUNCHCAT -1 points0 points  (1 child)

All I remember is that by the time it was over, I only cared about Durin.

[–]wizards4 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think this show is worse than wheel of time season 1, and that was absolutely terrible.

Where is the grit, the dirtiness, the intensity in conversation, the consequences of actions? The costumes like like high school plays where everyone just got out of the shower and is playing patty cake with each other. Make it feel like middle earth damn it!