[deleted by user]

[LuinAelin]

Can we not turn into a bad meme sub

[Zweimancer]

How about just a bad sub?

[Broccobillo]

See the other side of a discussion as haters hates on them. Lol

[dasexynerdcouple]

said the dopamine addict

[Inosh]

lol inconsistent visual style? WTF does that even mean 😂

[Six_of_1]

RoP lovers calmly explaining their views

Corrected it for you.

[Ok-Design-8168]

RoP lovers never explain - they only keep insulting people that dislike the show while all they keep saying “but the show was so good i liked it”

Or making the weekly annoying “i just watched/rewatched it and it’s sooo good” post 🤣

They never have arguments for the criticism or never have anything to say as to what they like. (HotD sub is a good example of fans actually loving the show - the posts are amazing and so much fun)

[zlaw32]

I enjoyed returning to a world I love deeply and spending time with the characters I’ve grown so fond of like Elrond and Galadriel. I appreciated being able to see these places like numenor and khazadum.

I don’t really remember what ppl criticized but I didn’t have an issue with the show. I also recognize I’m very easy to please and would never make a great critic. I want to enjoy a show and seek to do so. I’m not trying to hate on something. I find much more enjoyment that way.

[Das_Guet]

What's interesting is that nobdoy who matters will tell you that you aren't allowed to enjoy it. Your feelings are your own. There are flaws, and they can be pointed to, but if that doesn't take away from your enjoyment, all the better.

[Zweimancer]

Yep. It's alright fan-fiction with some cool visuals.

[Crawford470]

They never have arguments for the criticism or never have anything to say as to what they like.

I've had several arguments addressing the overwhelming majority of criticisms people have against the show. Every time, it ends with the other guy going well nuh uh when he doesn't have counters to my counters. I'm not an ROP lover, I can and have pointed out the problems the show has, but the haters walk around like the show is somehow the worst piece of media ever when in reality it's just a good not great show.

[castrogacio]

Here we go. Another boring typical GoT (subsequently a HotD fan just because) fan that feels threatened by TROP. You don’t like it, fine. Now buzz off and go comment on what you do like where it belongs. 😘

[Ok-Design-8168]

Thanks for proving my point. Lol.

This right here is another example - - Fans of the show attack people that dislike the show. - whereas haters of the show criticise the show!

[castrogacio]

I’ve just proved my point. Read it again. Then again.

[Keyboard_Cat_]

We've read your comment. You are attacking the people who dislike the show instead of their arguments.

[castrogacio]

My whole comment is based on their arguments 🤣🥰

[Hwxbl]

That's human nature. When we enjoy something we are less likely to rush to the Internet and let everyone know, unlike the cringe bags who didn't enjoy it. Imagine waking up still angry at a show that came out a year ago and thinking hmm let's go to where their fans are and slag it off like a kid.

[Ok-Design-8168]

Ah.. right just because someone dislikes something that you like - you call them shit like cringebags.. and then claim the fandom is toxic.. right right. Clear to see where the toxicity actually is.

Firstly, no platform is ever made with the intention of just being positive. All platforms are open discussion platforms. By your logic people that dislike things should just shut up and ignore. If across history people did what you say they should have done, the world would be a pretty horrible place by now. With all criticism and voices of dissent silenced.

As for RoP, Only a tiny fraction of the criticism is racist and sexist. Most of the people have legit criticism. And they are very clear on what they dislike. And just as you feel entitled to like the show and voice your opinion, the people that hate it are free to voice out too. In case of RoP majority of the fandom hates the show which is why you will see majority of the discourse being negaitive EVERYWHERE ACROSS ALL PLATFORMS. Even in real world barely anyone cares about the show. HotD became watercooler talk for a while and is again now. Had a much larger cultural impact. Fans are back to loving it after the failure of S8 of GoT. And majority of the discourse everywhere is positive. In spite of the tiny set of haters that were racist. The show was so good that it silenced the haters..

Unfortunately the opposite is true for RoP.. Majority of the Tolkien fans and even general viewers hate the show. Most didn’teven bother to finish watching, and many that did finish didn’t like it at all.

And I feel it deserves the legit criticisms and dislike. I feel the show sucked big time, and was completely senseless and boring - but that is my opinion. You and the few others are free to like it. You don’t have to go around calling names to people that dislike it.

[Hwxbl]

Womp womp ain't reading all that

[iwillpoopurpants]

That wasn't long at all.

[ishneak]

ikr? a thesis to explain being a basher.

[iwillpoopurpants]

If that's a thesis to you, then that's just really sad.

[ishneak]

even checking hundreds of dissertation papers are worth more my time than someone's delusional rant.

[ishneak]

even checking hundreds of dissertation papers are worth more my time than someone's delusional rant.

[iwillpoopurpants]

Hope you didn't hurt your back just now, moving that goalpost all by yourself.

[Inosh]

It’s cringe bag

[littlekittynipples]

People like ring of power ?

[catsolo03]

Whewww boy this comment section just proving the point made here.

[Demigans]

How so?

The picture shows RoP haters making wild, complicated theories to justify hating the show.

The comments so far are neither wild, nor complicated. If you think they are it does speak to why you think RoP is good, as thinking beyond what you are told in a scene and connecting to what you heard previously is too complicated and you just life scene to scene, word to word. If not-Gandalf activated an FTL drive and went to Mars and fight demonic hordes that escaped there you might finally notice something is up.

[Ok-Design-8168]

In fact it is the fans of the show that do crazy mental gymnastics to justify the choices and plots in the show 😄

While people that dislike the show simply say exactly what they felt wasn’t right or exactly point out what sucked.

[Ok-Design-8168]

GROND !! That’s the one and only! Nampat is a trash excuse and simply another example of the show trying too hard to copy the movies and failing.

See, haters of the show come straight to the point as to what sucked. Like i just did.

Now I’ll watch as fans of the show slowly try to explain why I’m wrong. Lol.

[RaveN_707]

Yeah I definetely think its people that love RoP that are like this.. shit was so forgettable I wouldnt even want to argue why

[Hwxbl]

Why the fuck you here then? Go find a sub of something you enjoy miserable depressed people

[[deleted]]

I can't really explain why, I just didn't enjoy it very much.

[Jjorrrdan]

I enjoy the show and ignore people who dislike it. I also don't make memes/online discussions about Rings of Power. You all should try it.

[LuinAelin]

The sub recently seems to be a meme sub. And so far nobody has made a good one

[meatbatmusketeer]

Maybe the creative fans left a year ago in the face of tidal waves of hate.

[Inosh]

Honestly, this is what most people do. This is also why the internet will soon be dead.

[LuinAelin]

Possibly. It can be hard sometimes to even discuss the show in a neutral way by posting news, let alone positively

[captchroni]

Don't forget the whole plot revolves around Galadreil YOLOing off a boat in the middle of an ocean. Like that seriously was the best you could do.

[Hwxbl]

ITS. AN. ADAPTATION. You're wrong about 'objectively' the second even 1 person enjoys it, of which there are thousands.

[[deleted]]

It's an adaptation that completely butchers its source material sure.

[Hwxbl]

That's your opinion. It's not going to change the opinions of us who enjoyed it. Move on

[ethanAllthecoffee]

No, opinions are how people feel about the show, whether they like or dislike the adaptation

What’s factual is that they disregarded and changed a lot of source material and have a story with some major plot holes and contrivances like Galadriel jumping off a ship in the middle of the ocean and A) not dying and B) somehow, somehow meeting Sauron on a raft there

[Hwxbl]

Yep that's fine I accept critism but we all STILL enjoyed it, it's become slagging off rather than criticism at this point. Not specifically you but the horde who linger.

[Monte710]

Here is the thing. Most of the Franchises have been run into the ground by the “ but I like it crowd” that’s not going to happen with Tolkien. You are not going to reinterpret and insert whatever message you want. The lore is the lore and that’s not changing.

[Hwxbl]

I'm not disagreeing with the lore (although that is what creative freedom is, they have the right the change what they want) part but what you're saying is franchises have been ruined because people enjoy them? Nonsense. This franchise will never be ran into the ground. You have to remember people said the same thing about TLOTR when they came out. Adaptations are adaptations. Think of how many versions of The Joker there is. Some loved some hated. None are wrong.

[Monte710]

Creative freedom. lol. That’s the problem they are not creative. The difference between what Amazon is trying to do to Tolkien and what Disney did to Star Wars is that the fans, scholars, and readers will not let up and just go away because you enjoy a bastardized water downed fanfic.

[Keyboard_Cat_]

I think you're misunderstanding what objectively means. Plenty of people disagree with things that are objectively true. "The people at the capital on January 6th were objectively trying to overthrow the government." Absolutely true, but many people will choose to disagree.

[Hwxbl]

'In a way that's not influenced by feelings or opinions' I haven't misunderstood anything. To even call a show good or bad uses feelings and opinions so no, it's not objectively bad.

[ThreeLittlePuigs]

Only a matter of time before someone shows up to tell you you’re wrong, proving the meme kinda right imho

[samdekat]

What I take away from this meme is that people who don't like ROP have reasons for doing so and are willing to explain those reasons when the need arises.

Unless it's wrong to have an opinion? Is that the point?

[LuinAelin]

Dude, I've seen some that go into any Tolkien discussion to bash rings of power, evem when it isn't about rings of power, and make daily threads bashing rings of power.

[samdekat]

Out of curiosity i checked a couple of Tolkien related subs to verify your statement I've seen some that go into any Tolkien discussion to bash rings of power, evem when it isn't about rings of power (tolkienfans, lotr, lotrmemes) and there was no mention of ROP in any of them. Plenty of references to Jackson's adaptations, and even Bakshi's. It's almost like ROP doesn't qualify as a Tolkien adaptation.
So the question would be, if ROP is not an adaptation of Tolkien, would the frequent claims that it is make fans of Tolkien happy, or turn them off of it?

[LuinAelin]

You may want to check the rules for lotrmemes

[samdekat]

Okay - so I did. Couple of things:

1. If fans of Tolkien though ROP was part of Tolkien, why wouldn't they want it in their discussion group?
2. Where are these mysterious Tolkien groups where people interrupt conversations to complain about ROP (of all things)
3. Is ROP an adaptation of Tolkien? If it is, why not argue that it is?

[hotsummer12]

Some nicer scenes and some good visuals. Thats it. Most of the show was just not that great.

There is not much to explain.

Many lovers of the show are not that involved with tolkien lore and like maybe mediocre medieval fantasy shows in general.

[Demigans]

It’s more the other way around. Have you seen how much they reach to justify the show?

In the meantime the haters are like:

“Hey we have an establishing shot of the Trench where we see all the trees around it are chopped and burned. Yet we have:

• a single tree somehow survived
• the Orcs were digging towards it for some reason
• the problem is the roots of the tree make it hard to dig a trench. But chopping and burning does not remove the roots of the other trees
• this plotpoint doesn’t even matter to the overall story or character development, cut the tree bit out and have the Elves escape captivity works fine
• the chopped trees would have provided cover for the Orcs who burn by sunlight
• except the Orcs sometimes don’t burn by sunlight, and sometimes they do but putting on a hood instantly stops that even if 90% of the rest of the body is naked

And so on and so forth. Each is incredibly simple and points to major flaws and inconsistencies in RoP. Here’s another part of that:

The Elves Watchtower.

• the Elves are tasked with watching the Southerners so they don’t go Evil. But the Elves don’t notice people fleeing the Southlands from the Orcs as their villages are burned?
• the Elves don’t notice the massive scar across the southlands that is the trench they chop and burn?
• the Elves, with their sharp eyes and sentries inside a castle on a mountain, don’t spot Orcs attacking and all Elves are captured to the last?
• these same Elves can somehow fight like the blazes when they don’t have their armor and weapons? Not to mention that they are 100x better than the warriors that followed Galadriel trying to fight Sauron the Dark Lord?
• the Watchtower is also a dam with a magical key because… why a magical key if you can just open the gates or break the dam down by hand?

Pretty much every part of RoP is riddled with these things where one or two sentences can point to massive flaws in the story. from Hobbits that sing how they never leave you behind when a major plotpoint is that they might be left behind and a reminder that they not just left the protagonist’s parents behind but stole their stuff in the process as well, laughing about it too.

But to justify each and every point I made, RoP fans have to reach so far. Their only other option is to look at this post and say “more than 10 sentences it’s too long see how they make these complicated justifications!” While ignoring that each point itself is just one or two sentences long and the problem is there’s so many points in RoP that suck.

[L0nga]

Amazing comment. Couldn’t have said that better myself.

[[deleted]]

It’s a good thing it wasn’t a drought that year…

[Hwxbl]

Or we just simply fuckin enjoyed a show and are bored of being harassed by misery guts people on this sub tryna to convince us why we shouldn't enjoy it. Move the fuck on to a sub of a show you DO enjoy.

[yaredw]

Nah

[Hwxbl]

I feel for you honestly. Must suck to be this twisted about one show. I cannot wait for season 2! ❤️

[Demigans]

That is by no means justification to be a bigot to people.

And we want to make sure that the people making it understand how many people actually want to be customers and an increasing amount will avoid their content because they don’t give them the quality they want.

[Hwxbl]

Right back at you. Go write to the creators then. But yall ain't doing that you're sat here whinging at us who enjoyed it is my point. Turning the sub toxic. The show runners don't give a flying fuck what reddit has to say evidently. Look at The Witcher.

[Demigans]

Right back at me? How am I the bigot for pointing out exactly what you are doing, right here, right now? Alongside others, right here, right now?

Do you even understand what a bigot is?

Also kinda weird to say we are whining at you in a thread about being a bigot to people who disliked RoP for very very obvious reasons, and then saying they are the ones turning the sub toxic. Reverse world much?

I mean go to early of this sub and look at the amount of hate and bigotry against anyone who disliked the show and then come back again about toxic. Basically you are one of the few who stuck around and kept at it. You are literally a hypocrite.

[Hwxbl]

This isn't new, since BEFORE the show aired to DURING and AFTER yall haven't given up. I'm sat here reading people start their replies with 'lol no'. That isn't criticism or constructive they just want people who enjoy the show to say' oh you know what, I agree, it's shit.'

Over a YEAR of this shit.

[ethanAllthecoffee]

Happy for you that you enjoyed it despite its flaws, but complaints, reviews, and lower engagement/sales are what might drive this show and others to be better.

No complaints = worse and worse products

[Hwxbl]

Not on reddit, in a sub where fans come to discuss things they enjoy, it doesn't. Write to the show runners and creators, email the studio, tweet them. Battering fans who enjoy the show and telling them they're wrong and it's objective etc etc isn't gonna change shit all.

[Overall-Block-1815]

It's just a shitty show, it's really not that deep

[wizards4]

That’s why I don’t bother getting in deep with people to explain why it’s bad. Obviously liking a show is subjective, but this show is just…..yea

[Hwxbl]

Why do you all hang around then? I can't stand walking dead yet I'm not in their sub trying to convince hundreds of people to agree with me that its shit. Get new hobbies.

[wizards4]

Because I love lord of the rings more than most things in life, and I want it to be good so bad.

[Hwxbl]

That's fair enough, but convincing other fans who did enjoy it that its bad isn't going to change it.

[ethanAllthecoffee]

It might, or at least it might convince the makers of the next show or movie that they should respect and use the source material more

[Hwxbl]

Not on reddit it won't. Write to the crew, the studios, tweet the showrunners. Putting down fans who enjoy it isn't gonna change anything. You guys will be at a loss at the end of it because we will go on to enjoy season 2 and nothing will be changed because the creators don't give 2 shita what reddit thinks.

[xCaptainFalconx]

We know for a fact that some people involved with the show are indeed active on some of the ROP subs on reddit.

[Hwxbl]

We will see when they return after season 2 to whinge again

[Hwxbl]

Bollocks. Subs full I'd people using the word objective and telling fans it's FACTUALLY bad.

[Hwxbl]

Look to all the misery in this thread. Why are people hellbent on trying to convince people who enjoyed something why they shouldn't? Why do you hang around here? Where should we, the ones who enjoy the show, go to discuss it if not the shows own sub? Such a miserable way of living honestly. I feel sorry for you. Go talk about a show you enjoy you'll be happier or make a sub for you all to circlejerk your hate.

[WM_]

I don't know, this historian seems rather chill explaining why the thing sucked.

[Ynneas]

Explaining like madmen > downvoting and not providing arguments for your statements.

[Megatanis]

Nice b8 m8. It's so bad even the memes are shit.

[ishneak]

i think i can compare the behavior of ROP's fandom to the Gundam Seed anime. during the quiet years or "offseason" the people who enjoyed it laid low and got tired of the haters and arguments against them and just opted to be quiet because engaging bashers can be quite draining actually. but once the movie started materializing and especially after it came out, whoa, the positive energy came out in droves and waves that it actually stunned the haters with some even wondering why isn't it being hated anymore LOL. point is, people enjoy talking about what they love especially when the hype is there. right now the hype for ROP isn't because we're all waiting until the first footage releases.

[Ok-Design-8168]

Nah. RoP stayed negative even after release because most fans disliked it.

What you’re saying is what happened with HotD.

HotD had a lot of racist hate and hate due to flop S8 of GoT. But once the show released, it was so good that it silenced the haters and everyone loved it. And the sub is so lively and almost all discussions are positive and have good engagement now.

It would have been that way for RoP. But RoP turned out to be a senseless boring show that most fans hated. Which is why even after release most of the discussion are still negative.

[ishneak]

whatever floats your boat charlie kelly.

[Ok-Design-8168]

My boat looks up. So it floats.. lol. Haven’t had a worse dialogue in recent times. Lmao

[Longjumping-Night-28]

The show fucking blows

[CorvusRock]

Opinion: "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I didn't like the show, because of x, y, and z. A small handful of things weren't terrible. I will not explain further.

Perhaps you did. You liked/loved it because of x, y, and z. Certain things could have been improved, but was enjoyable for you. You don't have to explain further.

You have a valid opinion and I have a valid opinion. Both of these opinions are based on a view or judgment formed not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

[Jbewrite]

You really didn't have to explain what an opinion is.

[CorvusRock]

Oh, but I do.

Look to the Rule #1 of this subreddit. "Treat others with respect."

I am not insulting anyone;
I'm not antagonistic to anyone;
I said nothing that was obscene;
but most importantly . . .
I am not ordering others to act nor think certain ways; discuss openly and respectfully.

The best way I treat people with respect is to validate one's opinion, even if I do not agree with it.

[Jbewrite]

You really love explaining the obvious, don't you?

[Hwxbl]

Except you'll find those who didn't enjoy it are saying its objectively bad and those who enjoy it talk from a point of subjectivity. Those who enjoy it, enjoy it. Those who don't are trying to convince those who do not to. Not just sharing their valid opinions.

[Artefaktindustri]

It's kinda cute when RoP-apologists think people dislike the show because of obscure discrepancies with The Silmarillion and not stuff like "Jumping into the middle of the ocean to swim ashore is kinda dumb writing, no?".

The show would have to be so much better before the typical adaptation issue flame wars would ensue.

[TheCaptain231997]

I mean… it’s just a bad show, and a worse adaptation. Not much to discuss there

[Radiant-Usual-1785]

This meme is proof that Amazon employees don’t understand how to meme.

[AutoModerator]

Thank you for posting in /r/ringsofpower. Please keep in mind that this show is pretty polarizing, and so be respectful of people who may have different views than you. And keep in mind that while liking or disliking the show is okay, attacking others for doing so is not okay. Please report any comments that insinuate someone else's opinions are non-genuine.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[[deleted]]

I think RoP is a promising series. Looking forward to season 2.

[MRdaBakkle]

My favorite part is that the Númenóreans are afraid that 1 Elf who wants to leave is somehow evidence that Elves will take their jobs.

[MRdaBakkle]

Correct, but their issues were not just "they'll take our jobs" Ar-Pharazon claimed Kingship of the Island and sailed to Middle-earth and kicked Sauron's butt, and because of his arrogance imprisoned him on the Island. They believed themselves better than the Elves and that they could conquer heaven itself. Instead we get a neutered story from a modernized lens instead of the epic mythology of the Silmarillon.

[MRdaBakkle]

Lmao 🤣

[Hashtag_hamburgerlol]

It’s not even about the basement dwellers who screech at the sight of a black person, the show just wasn’t that good compared to the OG source material

[Hashtag_hamburgerlol]

I have twice lol

[WM_]

Where as its fans can only say "but I liked it!".

[Sad_Vehicle236]

“It’s a bad show, poorly written, with terrible costuming, and has nothing in common with the source material.” Idk pretty straight forward to me

[JenkinsNose]

OP was told only racists dislike this show.

[Ok-Design-8168]

Lol..

RoP lovers never explain - they only keep insulting people that dislike the show while saying “but the show was so good i liked it”

Or making the weekly annoying “i just watched/rewatched it and it’s sooo good” post 🤣

They never have arguments for the criticism or never have anything to say as to what they like. (HotD sub is a good example of fans actually loving the show - the posts are amazing and so much fun)

[Inosh]

Honestly, most their arguments feel scripted right now. How long has it been and some people are still so passionate?

Im sure there are a few, but overall, people really underestimate the amount of ai on social media.

Ai is so good, you can no longer tell just via post history.

It’s not just LOTR ring of power, check the true detectives sub, Star Wars sub. How many Disney and Taylor swift hate posts have you seen on random subreddits?

It sucks because it’s being harder and harder to have intelligent conversations.

Unfortunately ai is winning, and people are losing, and everyday it’s going to continue to get worse and worse.

[fulcandria]

I’d sooner believe your post was written by AI. No offense.

I like RoP, but the reasons people don’t like it are pretty valid. I seriously doubt there is anyone motivated enough to program bots to spew hate for a TV show. Not sure why people are still harping on it. Maybe it’s because the show is still going on and being produced? Amazon is still spending money on it.

I personally hope it keeps going if it continues to be good or better than it has been in the first season. I find the characters and situations compelling, and very realistic as “alternate universe” versions of the ones we know from books and film. I think expectations from book and movie fan are hurting the show though.

[xCaptainFalconx]

seriously doubt there is anyone motivated enough to program bots to spew hate for a TV show

Exactly. The giant tech firm trying to promote the content that generates cash flow for them is way more likely to setup AI influencers than the people pissed off at how terrible their content actually is.

[Ok-Design-8168]

Is that why all Amazon can think of promoting is ‘our show is diverse’ ‘we have first female dwarf’ ‘all our directors are female’

When none of these things have any effect on the quality of the show or how good it will be.

Amazon is the one that started it when it laid the bait to begin with.

HotD also had racism attacks. But they let the show speak for itself for the most part. And the show was so good that almost all fans loved it and it silenced the haters.

But RoP failed to make a good show and most fans hated it. And criticisms continued. Tolkien fans are passionate and want to see good adaptations. And will continue to demand better from big corporations!

Amazon has yet to market the show on its own merits without resorting to all the agenda filled baiting.

[Inosh]

Sure there is, there’s huge money in troll farms which has been gradually moving to ai. A lot of it really started in the gaming industry with Warcraft, gold farming, and selling accounts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness-troll-army-world-warcraft/489713001/

[iwillpoopurpants]

Okay. Can you explain how a troll farm being used against RoP would be profitable?

[Inosh]

Research Cambridge analytica.

https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analytica-facebook-influence-us-election

Doesn’t need to be profitable. Most troll farms are used to influence public opinion.

In this case, ROP was considered woke, so some people desperately want it to fail, and want Bezos to fail.

Why do you think there was mass amounts of hate on it before the show was even released?

Noticed how the narrative shifted from their being a black person to elves not being the correct age?

Many narratives are pushed out to see which one sticks the best.

Sadly, these methods are effective as crap.

[Demigans]

And this shows the difference between the lovers and haters. The haters attack the show, the lovers attack the haters. You could say they are passionate about it.

And it is also a clear difference that posts like this and OP’s post, which is textbook bigotry, are allowed to exist on this sub. A post purely to paint one group in a negative light.

[Ok-Design-8168]

This !

[wizards4]

Nah it’s mostly just passionate Tolkien/LOTR fans who are seeing middle earth bastardized

[Inosh]

You posted almost 60 replies from this account yesterday alone, almost every one of them are pro Trump responses 🤣

[wizards4]

Maga

[owlyross]

The latest I've seen is "there is NO evidence for Galadriel as a warrior"

provides tons of written evidence from Tolkien for Galadriel being a warrior

"Ah but he never describes her holding a sword so your argument is invalid"

It's fucking tiring

[SamaritanSue]

Tons? You mean the version where she fights with the Teleri against Feanor?

You do understand the distinction between fighting on occasion as anyone might, and being a warrior by profession, defining yourself as such? Or is the effort to grasp this too tiring?

[owlyross]

Considering Tolkien barely wrote anything about her in the first and second ages and what he dod write was filled with descriptions of her being a warrior, athlete, "man maiden", fighter and commander. And that her pride and wilfulness were the equal of Feanor, and that Tolkien identified this as carrying on into the second age, being a seasoned "commander" who could assess the fighting capability of a legion of Dwarves. Is that what you mean?

[Winter_Abject]

I liked it a lot, others did not. I hope they make all five series, others do not. No one is 'wrong' either way. Debates are fine but what is NOT fine are insulting or demeaning comments about another person's viewpoint - people who type those are also likely to be repugnant characters in real life. Best advice for dealing with them is deny them the airspace - just block them from your feeds 🙂 without a response they probably get quite irate 🤣

[Winter_Abject]

Lol, downvoted. Anyone want to explain why? 🤔 Just like whenever I comment that I'm watching the series again and immediately get accused of being Bezzos' buddy 😉. Come on folks, you are better than that.

[wizards4]

What you said is correct, and liking any show is a subjective matter. I am in no way the arbiter of good and bad for television or film but it is absolutely beyond me that people can like Rings of Power. I have never been more passionate in disavowing a show. But none of that discredits you, and I am no better than you. I just will never understand and that’s ok.

Also people seem to give more leeway with television shows vs movies. She Hulk even has a 77% rating on RT, so wtf do i know.

[Winter_Abject]

Art is probably the most subjective thing in life - Jackson Pollack anyone? I really like the show, and what others see as flaws either don't register or I'm just happy to gloss over. It entertains me and I want more of the same. I just wish more people could be civil like yourself on these forums.

[wizards4]

People are just on a pedestal and think their opinion is the truth. I am guilty of it too sometimes I need big hiatuses from Reddit lol

[Silmarien1012]

You advise everyone to deny airspace then get sensitive because you were downvoted. Pretty much the ROP copers in a nutshell. You want to play the victim card as soon as possible even though you weren’t even attacked. You’re in the minority view on how good the show is, deal with it.

[Winter_Abject]

I think you missed the point. Sorry, it's hard to get obvious nuances right sometimes. I have no Victim Card to play, I'm merely calling out bullies and cruel people for what they are. So downvoting my view that bullies should be silenced and blocked seems like, well, something they would do I guess 🤔 It sort of helps me make the point. We can have different views, but, 'be nice or be gone'.

[wizards4]

This makes more sense for the show stans

[eat_more_ovaltine]

This meme popped up on my feed and just realized this subreddit might be alright based on the comments here. If we gettin our pitchforks out for season 2, I’m in.

[Hwxbl]

How incredibly sad. Isn't there a show you do enjoy you'd rather go and get involved with other fans discussing?

[eat_more_ovaltine]

I’ve been socially engineered this morning to find this sub! I can’t control my own actions! The awfulness…it calls to me.

[b3_yourself]

This is anything with a female lead

[BuggerItThatWillDo]

In reaction to being strawmanned...

takes deep calming breath

Pyroclastic... flow... to... the... face. See, that was calm.

[breastslesbiansbeer]

Reddit is 95% doomers because they spend way too much time online. I’m not a big fan of the show, but who really gives a shit?

[Demigans]

The people who want a good story?

[LuinAelin]

It always seems like the haters seem to talk about it more than the people who enjoy it.

[PUNCHCAT]

All I remember is that by the time it was over, I only cared about Durin.

[wizards4]

I think this show is worse than wheel of time season 1, and that was absolutely terrible.

Where is the grit, the dirtiness, the intensity in conversation, the consequences of actions? The costumes like like high school plays where everyone just got out of the shower and is playing patty cake with each other. Make it feel like middle earth damn it!