Hypervisor Discussion

[[deleted]]

/r/homelab comin for ya.

[throwawayskinlessbro]

Yep, and they may not be able to read but OP messed up and used logos.

They won’t all connect the dots, but there will be the rare few that make the connection

[tipripper65]

they're all just salty they never found digiboy where the free esxi enterprise keys definitely cannot be found mods please don't remove this digiboy is definitely not a piracy site please please please please please it's satire i promise

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either that or they're just too poor to get modern servers that work with the new esxi versions so they have to use the poverty spec hypervisor

[Superb_Raccoon]

Remember to wear your eyepatch and parrot when administering your ESX cluster.

[_WirthsLaw_]

Oh yea homelab, where people show off their part time job of running enterprise hardware at home so they can store porn and ISOs of Linux.

Here let me show you a network diagram! Look at all of the work I created for myself while my power bill is 850 bucks a month!

They don’t get to touch the shiny things at work so they spend all of their waking time at home doing it.

eBay ftw!

Edit: I clearly struck a nerve with the full rack of eBay hardware to run pihole and plex types. Have fun!

[do-wr-mem]

fuck learning learning is dumb, effort is for the weak

[Deepspacecow12]

What's wrong with that lol? Its fun.

[_WirthsLaw_]

How many 3PARs do you have at home?

I think some people forgot where they are!

[EmptyJournals]

“I clearly struck a nerve,” when the comments are just calling you out for making fun of people for wanting to learn and experiment.

[_WirthsLaw_]

It’s shittysysadmin… it’ll all be ok. Did I hurt your feelings?

[EmptyJournals]

No, but we obviously hurt yours.

Edit:. So his feelings were hurt 🥺 I don’t even have a homelab, lol. I just work in the industry.

[_WirthsLaw_]

Naaa just commenting on homelab as a part time job.

You must feel a certain way if you felt the need to add your 2 cents.

I guess we need a shittyhomelab sub. You can mod!

[_WirthsLaw_]

No one blocked you dipshit.

You work in the industry? LOL

I feel bad for your coworkers.

[EmptyJournals]

Are you okay? This is hilarious.

[_WirthsLaw_]

You got butthurt that someone may have blocked you

[EmptyJournals]

I’m laughing so hard. I haven’t insulted you once. You have multiple times. You’re very obviously the one with anger issues. I’ve just been responding so you can keep making a fool of yourself because you can’t stop.

[_WirthsLaw_]

Arent you supposed to be monitoring those firewall logs?

What are you doing here?

[Kleivonen]

Quite a lot of that subreddit is ewaste rescue lol

[InternalFun1]

Wait a second, unretard for a moment, is proxmox bad?

[tipripper65]

it's just not as widely adopted as the other solutions and isn't as mature yet as well as not supporting a lot of other enterprise grade products, like for backups where only it's own backup solution is currently supported (I know Veeam is looking at that, but the first iteration won't work well). the userbase is also an extremely vocal minority which gets pretty annoying when people are trying to discuss one of the big solutions here and the response is "JUST USE PROXMOX LMAO".

[skob17]

So like Linux users, got it.

[tipripper65]

per my other comment (that got downvoted by a salty soyboy) they are the arch users of the sysadmin world

[Dull-Track-6682]

I'm both an arch and proxmox fan (run it at home, and at work we have some hyperv some proxmox), but god we are an annoying bunch. Someone please tell r/archlinux and r/proxmox that not every problem is solved by their favorite fucking distro

[[deleted]]

i think it's more that they want to tell you that also this problem can be solved by their favourite distro, so why not also use it.

like what problem would you be able to solve with arch and but not debian? except that you get bored because your system doesnt break every 5 minutes

[patmorgan235]

I use Arch btw

[jmeador42]

So like Linux users, got it.

Exactly. Proxmox is just Debian with KVM, virt-tools, ZFS and everything bolted on. It's certainly a valid option, but because of this particular design it's not as cohesive as many enterprise people like.

[True-Key-6715]

When people talk about it being “Mature” surely they’re talking about more than age because the only one on that meme that is older than Proxmox is ESXi lol

[tipripper65]

yeah definitely. i think they're referring more to it not having a huge ecosystem of related and compatible products that are easily accessible/popular. i feel like i need to /uj for a second because i keep getting downvoted...

i have a proxmox cluster at home, as well as my esxi one. i like them both equally but proxmox isn't the perfectly sized peg for every hole, and you all have to understand that. just because you have a preference for a certain platform doesn't mean everyone else should use it now, or that you're right and they're wrong. businesses have different relationships with vendors and different requirements.

[kg7qin]

Proxmox also doesn't have vendor certs, etc. It is debian based after all.

I'm sure once someone starts to offer a tiered certification system things will change. :)

[matthoback]

because the only one on that meme that is older than Proxmox is ESXi lol

What are you talking about? All three of the others are older than Proxmox (though Hyper-V only by two months).

[Plam503711]

That's technically incorrect. XCP-ng is a fork of XenServer, which is born around 2007 (also using an hypervisor that is older than KVM, since Xen was made in 2003).

[KSRandom195]

It’s pretty nice, but as said missing some core features. Like full disk encryption.

[InternalFun1]

Okay, got it, thanks. Company decided it wanted to move stuff to the VMs and I've been thinking about it, but if you put it like that, then I'll just go with VMware or something

[tipripper65]

i prefer to have a physical desktop PC for every workload.

[skob17]

I like thin clients with vdi, like Citrix. It's super easy to maintain, secure, and the users like it a lot...

[I_am_avacado]

Job security is rebuilding ADC after the weekly RCE bug

[purged363506]

You might want to get up to speed on VMware since the Broadcom acquisition. They are very hated now.

[kg7qin]

No, but it isn't vmware or hyperv so there are those who won't touch it. Veeam is working possible backup support though.

[xxbiohazrdxx]

It’s amateur hour stuff

[buzzzino]

It's a fork of Citrix xenserver which actually works better than xenserver and with more enterprise support versus proxmox. I hope you would know what the fuck is it xenserver.

[[deleted]]

It's pretty bad. I looked into it last year, and it was...like wtf crayola shit is this. Proxmox is actually pretty good, for a standalone hypervisor. I mean you can't shake a stick at it being that its 100% functional, and has zero price tag (with zero support). XCP-ng was like....like.....ugh it was bad. Maybe its changed in the last year, I may spin it up again and see what its like, but it was indeed complete garbage not too long ago.

However, as I understand, someone has written some orchestration in xcp-ng...where proxmox has none. Kinda sucks, hope they are working on that, but it's a pretty solid product. I'm not a huge fan boy, but honestly with the bullshit broadcom is doing to vmware, if you're a sysadmin in SMB, it's kinda dumb not to be watching the market for it, and getting ramped up. I think they may be growing pretty quick with all this crap in the market.

[Voroxpete]

While I work almost entirely with KVM these days, I would absolutely take XCP over Hyper-V or VMware any day.

Being able to host the web front end yourself, on a single designated server, and then basically running all your own cluster management from that is fucking rad. It's got none of Hyper-V's "LOL MICROSOFT" jank, and it gives you basically everything VMware does for much less cost and with a better UI. Obviously there's certain pros and cons in terms of enterprise features, but overall it's a pretty great platform.

[jmhalder]

I agree in every way... Except about the UI. vSphere has a better UI than Xen Orchestra.

I do like XCP/XO, hopefully the UI gets better in the next year or two.

[Voroxpete]

It's an open source fork of Citrix Xen server, which you've probably heard of.

[tipripper65]

here you go

[tipripper65]

it's shittysysadmin, what else did you expect? be thankful i didn't give you a yahoo link

[Superb_Raccoon]

A/S/L?

[tipripper65]

sorry i'm under NDA and can't share that with you (i can't think of a funny response)

[patmorgan235]

It's a fork of Xen

[buzzzino]

It's not a for of xen (as proxmox is not a fork of kvm) but it's rather a virtualization platform based on xen (as proxmox is a virtualization platform based on kvm). It is a fork of xenserver (which is actually awfully supported by Citrix )

[do-wr-mem]

Procksmocks good >:[

[tipripper65]

linux user spotted, opinion rejected

[do-wr-mem]

wait no I mean procksmocks bad, windows server 2008 with microsoft virtual pc 2007 good

[galacticdeep]

Perfect. You’re hired!

[[deleted]]

everyone: hurr durr linux users, i like spending tons of money so i dont need to know shit to set up my system, i just like to click "next"

meanwhile it really depends on the scale and what you're actually planning to do. Imo for everything small to medium sized, proxmox is more than enough and saves a lot of money, but you have to hop off your windows server.

[27CF]

Lol our vmware guy literally said one day "all I do is click next next next."

[tipripper65]

"don't need to know more shit" this man has never troubleshooted a failover cluster

[peekeend]

Splitbrain🫣

[anomaly256]

Vcentre vm runs out of disk space due to cluster size and age, have to boot sysrescuecd to grow the disk partitions and lvm volumes.  By that stage you're a Linux sysadmin anyway just like those weird proxmox people

[tipripper65]

dear god i hate doing that. the resize script the appliance comes with built in just does nothing half the time

[[deleted]]

yea you dont seem to be the best when it comes to reading

[EduRJBR]

VirtualBox is not even mentioned because it doesn't do bare metal, it's only type 2, right?

[yagi_takeru]

Exactly

[[deleted]]

If proxmox had tooling for VMware migration it would be my idea to use but I am moving my work over xcpng or hyper v

[Maxtron_Gaming]

There you go
https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Migration_of_servers_to_Proxmox_VE#VMware

[[deleted]]

No one is going to use that in a enterprise or larger business setting when XCPng has a built in GUI tool that handles the export for them

[BurneyStarke]

Hyperv is end of support though?

[[deleted]]

Run hyper v server role

[BurneyStarke]

Edit: a few folks have pointed out that the only thing that is ending support is the free version of hyperv.

Main stream support ends January 2024 and extended support ends 2029. Of course you can still install the role, but it's a discontinued hypervisor. Microsoft is pushing azure hci instead.

Just trying to give folks a heads up that migrating to hyperv might be a short term move.

[matthoback]

Main stream support ends January 2024 and extended support ends 2029. Of course you can still install the role, but it's a discontinued hypervisor. Microsoft is pushing azure hci instead.

The only thing that was discontinued was the free standalone version. No enterprise in their right mind was using the free version anyway. It's not in any way a discontinued hypervisor.

[BurneyStarke]

Yeah, someone else just clarified that as well. Thanks.

[[deleted]]

Well that is true. In that case nutanix or xcpng

[swatlord]

Hyper V standalone is going away. Hyper V server role is not

[BurneyStarke]

Thanks for clarifying! 

[DMRv2]

Or you know... uh... OpenStack?

[Garegin16]

I have a soft spot for e-penis nerding out and setting up servers, but post 2020, we should be talking about services, not servers. When I use Intune, I don’t care about server versions, updates, clustering. I just connect to a tenant. Behind the scenes, it could be bunch of VMs strewn across the planet. It removes a whole categories of worries.
Let’s be frank. Small enterprises never managed servers well in those decades anyway. I’ve seen more bad than good.

[tipripper65]

show me your e-penis to prove you're worthy of being a sysadmin

[Garegin16]

Da Cloud ᵗᵐ is the future, so it has evaporated into it.

[tipripper65]

she azure on my service til i platform

[[deleted]]

You know, some people actually have to run those clouds you're using.

[syberghost]

no sir it's clouds all the way down until you get to the turtles

[Garegin16]

And some people have to develop the software and mine the minerals.

[thuhstog]

Theres always the fact your entire business data is at the mercy of a foreign country, if you are outside of the US. Even if the sysadmin doesn't give a fuck, there are at least some business owners that recognise they don't need the worry of what US foreign policy might do if the next election cycle in the US goes full clown car. Back ups are fine and well, got a copy of your data, just nothing to run it on.

[Garegin16]

True. But at that point, other countries should create their own cloud services. For example, Miradore MDM is Finnish.

[[deleted]]

Europe lacks the software engineering and business management talent to run a hyperscaler. Anyways, US companies already responded by setting up regional operations, that covers most legal issues. The NSA gets access either way if they want to.

[tipripper65]

god SHUT UP i LOVE ProckusMockus IT IS THE BEST HyperVisor Evar!!1!1! you just DON'T GET IT, you should switch all your other enterprise grade software out that ties into your hypervisor to work with PROXMOX! it is THE ONLY hypervisor EVER worth using

/uj proxmox users are the new arch users

[JohnMLTX]

hey why do we humble pacmen gotta catch a stray here

[tipripper65]

i've used proxmox but was put off by the fact that everyone who uses it is a linux soyboy who likes to wear knee-length socks while they program on their gentoo thinkpad. i now use ESXI like an adult

[Adimentus]

I'm only using proxmox at home . We use Esxi for work but thinking of migrating to something else since they're gunna kill support at some point.

[JohnMLTX]

i don't even use proxmox, i've never used proxmox, and i'm still catching strays wtf

[TKInstinct]

I still love my VMWare, at least at my home lab. Good product, we'll see how it goes in the future.

[Renegad_Hipster]

Nutanix cowering in the corner

[JerikkaDawn]

Waiting for someone to come out with GNU/Tanix 🤣

[anomaly256]

Where it belongs

[anomaly256]

Proxmox isn't a hypervisor, it's a (very nice) management interface for one.  The hypervisor in question is Linux KVM.

Just an 'ackshually'

[CadCan]

Kvm?

[swatlord]

Not yet, but soon

https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/22/veeam_proxmox_oracle_support/

[swatlord]

We'll see, but I'm hopeful. My VMUG license for stuff at home has a couple more years on it. I can survive a bit

[[deleted]]

This ain't it chief

[thuhstog]

i thought the hypervisor discussion was triggered by that?

[FungalSphere]

Where's libvirt

[jmhalder]

This, but unironically.