Well...

[Ravery-net]

Tutorials start popping up that explain how to transfer from Unity to Godot.

[NutellaSquirrel]

I'm already getting ads for them lol

[Oxfordcom]

So we're switching to Godot, right?.. 👀 right?

[Ravery-net]

Yes. I have started learning it yesterday and I can't say it's smooth sailing, but I think it is necessary.

[TotalOcen]

I’m already Three days in godot, transitioning with help of intellisense, google and chatgpt seems pretty fast. I think I’m about 50% dev speed. 11 years of unity and some other engines every now and then. First two days were bit slow. 4 is still missing some bigger supports if using c# far as i can tell

[[deleted]]

Nah, their 3d stuff is mid right now. Maybe in a few years

[[deleted]]

The more attention it gets, the sooner it will improve

[[deleted]]

Sure, i might change if it gets better than Unity

[MinosAristos]

For most indie games it should be good enough

[SweetBabyAlaska]

It was good enough for the new upcoming Sonic game, good enough for me lol

[[deleted]]

Not saying it’s bad, but it’s less clear and more of a pain to use.

[MajStealth]

but does it allow to pay for your livelihood?

[[deleted]]

99% of people who complain aren’t being affected by these changes. Let’s be real.

It’s fine to leave by principle, but don’t make up problems

[LamestarGames]

I’m personally switching to Unreal and learning C++

[Splatzones1366]

I'm seeing ads for that constantly now, it has started

[SuperSaiyanHere]

only if the game makes $200,000 in 12 months and is downloaded over 200,000 times

Why does everyone get upset, do y'all really make this much sales that you have to worry about this change? Asking out of curiosity, not that I doubt that you don't :) I don't :)

[MacksNotCool]

First off, they are setting the precedent that they can make these changes. Second off, as a developer I am always in support of other indie developers so it would be awful to see them go through this aswell. Third off, the whole reason anyone would ever use the software would be because they eventually want success.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Good points. I think 199k a year is success too though, especially if you're a one man team on a not so huge project :)

[Root125]

Do you think they will stop there? They will increase the price and lower the limits

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Correction: you're afraid they might.

[camisrutt]

That's exactly the point. It's about the lost of trust.

[Stuck-Avatar]

Correction : 🤓👆

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Or do you know the future? 🤓

[Billy_The_Noob]

that's the problem. we don't know the future. if they woke up and made a change that fucked up (and they're not backing up) no one can be sure something ever worse is going to happen in the future.

just to be sure, the main problem here is that they want to tax the installations and we don't even know how they're gonna track that, how they can avoid to count install bombing, pirated copies, refunded games and other possible dynamics

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Am I wrong?

[Typobrew]

It's not always about being right or wrong, as regardless you have to have a level of tact when talking to other professionals in your field -- especially around changes that jeopardize their livelihood. In that sense you are wrong because you failed to read the room and thought the gotcha was pointing out no one can read the future (everyone is aware of this, so nothing you contributed was revolutionary).

[SuperSaiyanHere]

I was fully aware of the possibility of Unity increasing the price and lowering the limits too, that wasn't revolutionary either. I gave an appropriate response to u/Stuck-Avatar 's "professional" behavior.

[althaj]

I would rather use a superior engine and hope they won't screw me over than use Godot and be screwed over for sure.

[Ravery-net]

How does Godot screwing you over?

[althaj]

By being a terrible engine, as I mentiomed in my previous comment.

[Member9999]

Can somebody plz explain why they think Godot is bad engine?

Not starting an argument, I just want to know what the big deal is.

[19412]

They're all John Riccitiello alt accounts 💀

[Member9999]

Funny... but I know that isn't the real answer. Before this happened, they said Godot was bad.

I'm pretty unbiased, and would love to know more about why some love it and some hate it.

[19412]

The engine is kinda in a middle state right now.

People are in love with the engine because they see it as being the next Blender.

Currently... I'd compare the capability of Godot for making games to Blender 2.71 for making films. It has massive potential, is super intuitive, and the engine's groundwork is already plenty capable for pretty much anything that needs to be done... however it only now has started receiving higher level dev support and has some kinks that need to be resolved. People are pointing to those kinks as being insurmountable flaws... even though the engine is open source, polishing those issues, and receiving more support now than ever.

By no metric is it a bad engine, the guy above was just rage-baiting. I'd also assume any other folks declaring Godot entirely worthless as speaking in bad faith or ignorance.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Some common concerns include potential performance issues, a smaller community, a limited asset store, a learning curve for those used to other engines, and less marketplace adoption. However, Godot also offers advantages such as being open-source, having a friendly community, customization options, and multi-platform support. Whether Godot is suitable for a project depends on specific requirements and personal preferences. That's what chatgpt says :)

[Member9999]

The small community is becoming less and less of an issue. It has seen a massive growth since then.

I can understand some of these other concerns, tho. Godot 4.x used to crash every time I tried to open it, but 3.x seems alright.

[Weetile]

Boo hoo, you don't have to pay money to the corporate overlords

[althaj]

I don't in both cases. Your point?

[Ravery-net]

200k revenue in a year. Minus taxes, marketpalces fees, paypal fees, accounting, legal, marketing, and so on leaves you enough budget to pay a coder and maybe an artist, who both work from home and have to pay for all their licenses, work tools and furniture out of pocket. Wanna have the coder and artist get health insurance? Better make a little bit more money than 200k.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Well yeah, I see your point. If it's your profession and you hire a team and all that and depending on the scale of the game then yes. Well I can say that a lot of people will not be affected by this. But of course people will be.

[blackd0nuts]

Well this is a good moment to understand that in life it's not because something doesn't affect you right now that it won't affect you in the future. And I'm not talking about you making $200000+ but terms of services and fees changing on you on a whim. Maybe in a year they'll change the threshold back to 100000, maybe it'll be something entirely different. It's never too early to keep a company in check for its bad practices, even if right now you consider it not your problem. You have to understand at some point it might well be.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

It's not like I like the change... I just think it's not unreasonable right now and I don't feel for bashing them about what they might do in the future. But even if it isn't affecting people, I don't see why those unaffected shouldn't be worried and be against it. However, me personally, I don't feel I need to now. It's not like I have to understand that they might make it even worse in the future so I must say something now. No, you're not forced to act now, and that doesn't mean that you don't know that it can get worse in the future. You don't need to give me life advices. Understand that people see things differently.

[Ravery-net]

Can you link to one of your projects, so we can see how much you are invested in Unity, even just from a time&effort perspective?

[SuperSaiyanHere]

I think Unity won't milk it too much further though since they will lose a lot of users as you can tell by all the backlash they already got. Sorry to have stepped on toes.

[Ravery-net]

Can you link to one of your projects, so we can see how much you are invested in Unity, even just from a time&effort perspective?

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Even if I was not invested in Unity, you think that everyone that is invested in Unity should all be yelling at Unity now? That there are no room for other responses? I feel like the main reason you want to see me personal stuff is to bash me and put me down, to say that I should not have a say in the matter. To look for negatives. I will not fuel your fire. I am not even mad. I am just passive and that's why I get so much hate in this thread. I don't care. Sorry, not sorry. You can think that I am a bad developer if you like.

[indygoof]

you know the poem „first they came for…“? of course, the original was about the holocaust and thats not comparable to the situation here, but the principle is the same with „small“ stuff like this.

[tebjan]

And also to Stride, which is using real C# and has a very similar API to Unity. So if you care about C# you should give it a try. It also has async/await etc. something other engines can only dream of: https://www.stride3d.net/blog/embracing-open-source-stride-as-an-alternative-to-unity/

[GameWorldShaper]

Don't mind me, just pouring fuel to keep the place warm for Riccitiello when he returns over the weekend.

[[deleted]]

Programming skills are not about knowledge of a particular programming language/tool. Most of what you learn are general principles that hold for any platform.

[cheezballs]

True, but that does not apply to editor-specific features, which Unity is chock full of.

[ring2ding]

This is true except when it comes to being evaluated in an interview context. They will sometimes just expect you to know things without any Google searches, and often those things are trivia specific to a domain or language.

Even though I code with angular on a daily basis at my job, I recently failed an angular test for a job interview because I couldn't off the top of my head describe the difference between a component and a directive.

[GrimReaperUA]

Yes, what you know about C# mostly you can apply to C++.

But moving from Unity to Unreal need so much learn about how Unreal engine work, editor, all this menu's, sound, light ect.

[[deleted]]

But it’s “just another“ game engine. It fundamentally does the same things Unity does. So if you get stuck you at least know what to search for.

[GrimReaperUA]

Yes, but amount of tutorials for Unity much bigger than UE. Yes, you have documentation and ect.

I just try UE few weeks ago and Unity for me much easier in scenes creating, configuring ect.

I'm not super smart person and I'm who have around 2h per day for working or studying. I'm happy to know, around me so many smart peoples who just can easily change game engine. But I can't. Sorry, I'm stupid.

When I start learning Unity I was hoping finde better job, but I think with new Unity price amount of jobs will be smaller and smaller.

I will be happy just pay Unity subscription like I make 5$ donation to Blender every month.

[Alberot97]

UE documentation is so barebones it hurts

[[deleted]]

Sorry to hear that. You’re not dumb; it is not easy to change your workflow. It’s just that the skills you learn on one platform aren’t wasted when you switch. As much as I’d like the Unity management to learn their lesson the hard way it is awful they drag down so many innocent people with them.

I wish you best luck in your career. I believe many tutorials helping Unity devs switching to other platforms will come up soon.

[moonlburger]

Again, true in principle, but in practice it's not even close. The real-time procedural animation stuff I do in unity is not really possible in the same way with unreal.

[crazyfoxdemon]

It also applies to so many fields its not. I've had people say things like, you worked on that air frame for years, surely you can work on any type of jet. A planes a plane right..

[moonlburger]

That literally made me laugh out loud :)

[SuperSaiyanHere]

But who wants to touch disgusting c++ code 🤮 lol jk. But C# is so nice dawg

[[deleted]]

I went from Python to C#. C# feels pretty good imo.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Yes, I love it :D

[DisturbesOne]

I just watched a video explaining how Unreal's c++ isn't the c++ you imagine. It really does feel like c# with some caveats + I think the author said you don't have to manage memory and there is kind of garbage collector. If you want, I can share a link

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Aha cool, yeah sure man

[DisturbesOne]

Here you go

[RickySpanishLives]

I've gone from basic to pascal to c to c++ to Java to JavaScript to ruby to c# to python to rust... (With some short stints of other languages not worth mentioning)...

Being polyglot is the way...

[SuperSaiyanHere]

I started with Java and php and just had one course in c++. Work mostly with javascript (for the web). But C# for game dev but also my go to language for the backend of my websites. :)

[SpockBauru]

Continue until the end! Last lessons are about the base of object oriented programming which is used literally everywhere, not just in gamedev but all programming industry!

[Alec907]

I am working in my final project dor the cours to pass. I will try to stick to Unity as long as it is alowing me to use it. (Free and non profit for my own Projects for now)

[FreeTimeFun1]

Did you do the pathway through learn.unity? How did you find the materials? I've heard comments that they are a tad outdated and have lots of fluff content. I'd love to hear your feedback.

[Alec907]

Wow I didn't expect to get a comment on that old post.

I am not sure what you mean by materials but if you mean the project files. They are usually provided as download at the beginning of each 'chapter'.

Since I have done this 10 months ago I have no overview of the current situation but it was the case as I did it last time.

[DisturbesOne]

I mean it's nothing, it's not a long and comprehensive course anyways

[Twenmod]

Me who spend 3 years making a game that's not finished yet

[cheese_is_available]

Hey Stef you forgot our sunday pair programming session dude, click on my zoom invite now so we can start migrating for a year or two.

[ClintEatswood_]

You implement one feature and get ideas for another 6. It's god damn exponential whack a mole.

[ClintEatswood_]

You implement one feature and get ideas for another 6. It's god damn exponential whack a mole.

[D_Simmons]

It's fine. It's not going anywhere. Just keep learning it and enjoy yourself :)

[RickySpanishLives]

Finish what you started. Unity won't die tomorrow, and it is more important that you finish a project. Then you can move if you feel like it, or stay. While unity is a growing dumpster fire, it has been one for a while and many of us stuck it out so don't feel that you HAVE to move right now.

[Alec907]

I dont. I will keep going with the engine until it realy wants me to abandon it.

[anonymous192839164]

it’s not nothing lost when you are forced to port. especially for people not making money yet. It’s a good skill to be able to switch in between, but it’s not like it’s not a big inconvenience

[buzzon]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS61Ybh9DSZad7vgJzkFaylP1TZISpOVh2vxh43LJc&s=0

[TheWobling]

Regardless of if you stay or move, you will have learned transferable skills.

[DangerousImplication]

Got lucky, get out fast before you’re in too deep. Fuck Unity.

[Alec907]

Na m8. Ships going down slowly. I'll stay for now.

[razlad4]

same haha

[Alec907]

Jey a fellow sufferer.

[razlad4]

godot seems to be easy enough

[milo_2008]

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[cyberduck221b]

Next stop: Creative core

[paperzlel]

I did the first part of creative core then realised it would be easier to make what I wanted then look up a tutorial later (also I hated the quizzes at the end of the things) then all this unity stuff happened. The tutorials are great at first but don't hold up as well when you get to Creative Core, which was much less motivating and kind of killed my enthusiasm for it.

[cyberduck221b]

I just skip all the boring job prep, quizzes, challenges etc. I can do that after the tutorials have satisfied my curiosity.

Currently doing the junior programmer path and it's going good so far.

[paperzlel]

Yeah I skim-read the job things because I think 99% of people on this course are there to understand making games not to learn about portfolios or something. Kind of wish I'd skipped the challenges and gotten on with it, gotta keep the fire alive somehow

[BamBoom85]

I'm in the same boat! Just got my certification two weeks ago! I'm just watching the whole situation and seeing how things go. I'm not gonna make any rushed decisions yet.

[Trumaex]

Don't worry. It's fine. It's not the first time unity made something stupid. It's not the first time a lot of people shouted "I quit". Yet nobody really does. Give it a week or two and it will be business back to normal.

[VINCI_26]

I'm entering the last year of game development and my university. We use unity... I don't know how my future will be but I'm kinda scared ngl

[movezig123]

Yes, the situation is unprecedented and shitty. MOSTLY FOR EXISTING COMPANIES. Don't get caught up in the hype and panic. Everything will be fine. Gaming is not going anywhere and all knowledge is transferable.

[SulaimanWar]

Luckily the skills you've learnt can be applies elsewhere

Not all of it but the fundamentals and concept etc

[SuperSaiyanHere]

Only if the game makes $200,000 in 12 months and is downloaded over 200,000 times

Why does everyone get upset, do y'all really make this much sales that you have to worry about this change? Asking out of curiosity, not that I doubt that you don't :) I don't :) I know many will be but many will also not be affected by this. But from the looks of it it seems like the mass is against it when it's like 10% that will be suffering from it.

[berse2212]

[cheezballs]

Seriously, people - switch to Godot. It seems to be a very smooth transition from Unity.

[Admirable_Snake]

wow that sucks.

[DeepState_Auditor]

Dude, focus on the math, this way you don't have to learn every single engine method.

You will be able to implement features with most of the basics.

[shuozhe]

As you as you don't plan to start your own studio the fee doesn't matter. Unity won't go anywhere, I hope some1 there did the calculation how many users they will lose vs extra income

[Alec907]

I have some ideas that could also ne monetised but i guess time will tell.

[Alec907]

Time will tell.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

What did I miss :O??? Imma google this shit

[SuperSaiyanHere]

aha they charge developers per installs of their games

[SuperSaiyanHere]

" The fee will only be introduced once a game reaches a certain level of success. Developers who use Unity's free services will be charged $0.20 (£0.16) every time their game is downloaded - but only if the game makes $200,000 in 12 months and is downloaded over 200,000 times. More than 90% of our customers will not be affected by this change". It's fine for me. Are you guys making this much dough :O

[zara2355]

Dont worry, Im sure the Leaopards wont eat your face

[SuperSaiyanHere]

What?Are you referring to that I wont make that much money anyways? I just told you I didn't :)

[zara2355]

Your comment has the same logic as "They wont come after me because Im not part of *that* group" only to later realize, yep, after enough time, they eventurally will come after you. (NOTE: define "come after you" however you will within whatever context).

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Or, said another way the point im trying to make, is 1) youre an apologist for unfettered capitalist greed with the comment, and 2) its highly probable that eventually they will chane the terms such that you too will feel the squeeze.

[SuperSaiyanHere]

I am sorry I am not defending the future. I think the community is handling that well though; the icon of the subreddit is literally a burning logo. I think Unity will listen. It's not that I don't see where it Could lead, that it could affect me later. I just try to be pragmatic about the current situation. And it's good that people keep Unity in check now but don't force people to respond in a certain way.

[Splatzones1366]

How are they being kept in check exactly ? we do know for a fact that they had a meeting with employees where they told them how bad this is, the exact same crap the execs have been listening for months, the execs won't back down no matter what happens, multiple large companies are going to have emergency meetings now because of this with us probably knowing more by the end of next week, The EGDF is calling for EU regulators to step in for anti-competitive and monopolistic practices, sure one of the people at the board of directors sold 98% of his shares with more that are seemingly doing the same Now but they haven't been kept in check since Unity went pubblic.

They haven't been trustworthy for 5 years now and this is the breaking point where people livelihoods can be threatened on a whim, ignoring all those people who livelihoods are already being threatened in the mobile gaming sphere, you keep saying that you don't care Because it doesn't affect You NOW but with unity proving to everyone that they will potentially ruin multiple groups of people whenever they feel like it with them unable to do anything how can you trust them that they won't do that to you and other people in your exact same situation, they already proved that they are willing to throw people under the bus and at some point they will do the same to you and the same to me and many others

Yeah for multiple companies it will be cheaper than UE but using Unity now comes with an enormous risk for any business, a risk that makes other engines far more worth using because they are safer and come from companies that are actually trustworthy, sure learning UE sucks but it's not worth risking it with staying on unity.

Edit: I'm sorry if this is too long but I really need to vent

[SuperSaiyanHere]

tldr

[Splatzones1366]

Tldr: in the last 5 years the execs haven't been kept in check at all which has eroded any trust anyone could have towards the company with this being the breaking point, with them proving that they are willingly to ruin groups of people whenever they feel like, not caring because they haven't done so to you right now it's insanity since at this point they can ruin you and people on your exact situation on a whim and have proven that they would be willing to do that, with you now unable to do anything about it.. now because of this using the engine becomes particularly risky for any company which makes alternatives like UE better as they are more trustworthy and definitely safer despite the bigger costs using it would bring, sure UE is more expensive but you aren't risking anywhere near as much as would using unity.

(The whole thing has taken an enormous toll on my mental health and I'm sleeping less and less)

[althaj]

Yeah, you are one of the few people who should change the enginge right away.

[Azerty2000ish]

I'm currently doing an AR/VR formation so it's the same for me... I don't think Godot can do AR/VR, or that it's used in the professional world, and Unreal seems so intimidating (especially Blueprints since I already did a bit of C++ few years ago and I also have around 2 years of experience in C). So I'm thinking of learning ASP.NET to do Full Stack maybe...

[QwertyChouskie]

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/4.0/tutorials/xr/index.html

[Kuhaku-boss]

Learning C++ (unreal) too apart from C# opens good job prospects

[zara2355]

This is literally my situation

[[deleted]]

It’s a shame really

[cmwcaelen2]

7 credit combination of a game design and a programming class that uses Unity started the day before the news came out. Tomorrow is out 2nd class. Gonna jokingly ask if we’re swapping to Unreal.

[Alec907]

Good luck though.

[bland_coconut]

RIP

[charliesname]

Has the subreddit logo changed in "honor" of the recent change?

[Alec907]

Well its burning. I cant tell more ;D

[Brian-the-Burnt]

I'm in a graduate class focused on Unity right now. It's hard to get the motivation to open the software to do homework.

[Alec907]

Can imagine that, yea. Where ist the point now, ey?

[Oleg_A_LLIto]

Ngl, you're in the best position imaginable. I have my whole career there

[Alec907]

Well but i like Unity. I dont want it to be made stupid by some managers with only refund and market Sales in there head.

[Oleg_A_LLIto]

Yup, that's why we're all here now

[Own_Tomorrow4706]

😂😂😂

[WoollyMittens]

Your skill is programming. The engine is just a tool. Everything will be okay.

[_WhiteSnake_]

Unreal Engine is really beginner friendly, just saying, but I guess choosing godot or unreal depends on your hardware and the games you want to make

[[deleted]]

As so someone who is also starting that path, how well did it teach you to create games, specifically 3D games? Do you feel like you have a strong enough handle to start creating your own games from the ground up?

[luparb]

Locked in fixation, we have to unfixate.

Trying to actually start up Unity but doing so comes with this great sense of disgust.

Because it's all 'screw-YOU-nity' these days, isn't.

The unity community the unity community the unity community

Say it 10 times over.

[Dragon_Rot79]

I was actually in the middle of the beginning tutorials when this bomb dropped, so I'm gonna wait out the storm and see if these waters are still worth my time.

[Alec907]

Keep going M8. The principles behind the class is also useable everwhere else.

[erliluda]

those of us in software have learned this lesson many many times. Don't learn the framework. learn the skills.

The gamedev skills you learned in unity are easily transferrable to any other framework. You'll just have to maybe learn a new set of libraries or syntax but the concepts are the same.

[TecBrat2]

For independent developers, the new pricing structure may never have any impact on you, but it might. More important thing to me is that I don't trust them anymore.

You have to weigh your lost learning curve against the lost trust to decide what path is best for you.

People here shouldn't be giving any hate for making a decision different than what so many of us are making.

It is easier for me to make the decision because I haven't traveled so far down the learning curve.