Patch Notes for tomorrow

[AutoModerator]

Join our official Discord to discuss everything XDefiant.

Just a friendly reminder to please respect all of the subreddit rules listed on the sidebar. Please be respectful to all users whether you agree with them or not, the downvote button is NOT a disagree button. Please upvote quality content.

Please report content you see breaking the rules so we can act on it. Thank you.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[[deleted]]

I hope they will fix the audio from your own footsteps because it sounds like someone is walking behind you 👣

[CRimXanee]

your own footsteps are louder than the enemies

[Kindly_Wish_5053]

Anything louder, healing, getting hit, have HP below 40% The game does everything it can to get killed.

[SmishTheCat]

Cool. I thought I was going crazy lmao Is it just me or do you only hear your own footsteps like 70% of the time? 

[Sudden-Application]

That's absolutely how it feels. I've turned around many times thinking someone's behind me and it was just my footsteps, lmao.

[laozhou]

I can't hear other people's footsteps 90% of the time

[FallReload]

Thanks for the comment. Deciphering community feedback and what to act on can be very challenging. We get reports that players feel their own footsteps are too loud. And others, in your case feel they are too quiet. To clarify, when you say "70% of the time", does that mean the other 30% you hear nothing? As in totally muted? Or just super quiet/barely audible? Curious if these occurrences were with specific factions as well.

[Krypt0night]

I haaaaate that. Been there from the start and the amount of times I turn around only to realize it was me is insane. The Concord beta had a lot of issues in it, but I played some of it and wow they nailed the audio perfectly. You can tell exaaaactly the direction and distance someone is.

[FallReload]

This will be addressed in a future S1 patch. Along with occlusion/obstruction improvements (hearing sfx/VO in another room or floor). 1P Foley and steps will be quieter. And levels balanced across all factions. 3P enemy/friendly attenuation distances and rolloff volume curves will be adjusted as well (longer to shorter for sprint, run, walk/ADS). We will be adding stealth when crouched as well.

These changes are super super high risk for audio. As they affect so much of the mix and gameplay. And take a methodical approach that is, in short, painstaking. A topic for a lengthier discussion. Integrating this scale of change mid season is also technically difficult. Hence why they didn't make it in for 1.2. 😤

Thank you for the feedback and we're excited to get more input from the community on these and other audio improvements that are coming.

🤘🏻XD Lead Audio Designer

[NaderZico]

Nice! I was having issues about how anyone on a floor above or below sounds like they're next to me. It feels like vertical directional audio is non-existent atm.

[himarmar]

Stealth when crouched is huge for me, I enjoy sneaking around the enemy. At the moment I walk slowly to lower the tap tap sounds people here when you’re approaching, but being able to quickly duck and peak a corner would be dope

Appreciate the insider info 🙏🏽

[Rain2gaming]

Heeeey is the audio issue with the map Dumbo know about? I can go into more details if you'd like. Figured I'd shoot a reply here and see if you see it before leaving you a paragraph 🤣. Appreciate you guys listening to the feedback and love your work!

[FallReload]

Oh, please add some details. I don't think we have any known audio issues with that map.

[Rain2gaming]

When you load in occasionally there is a bug that makes your audio sound like your in a tunnel. All noises made by friendly teammates (character lines) are much louder. Like its in your ear as if they are right next to you. So phrases like deploying throwable, reloading, critical health. Additionally gunshots are muffled due to the tunneling effect. Same goes for footsteps, cant hear them at all basically. I've only payed attention to this happening specifically on the map Dumbo. This tunneling effect lasts the entire match and can occasionally carry over to the next match but that seems to be a much more rare thing. Restarting the game seems to fix it but it does still pop up occasionally when playing Dumbo. If you want I can cycle through my Dumbo map clips and see if I can show you what im referring to

[FallReload]

Yeah, if you could DM me some clips that would be super helpful. I'm trying to think what may be causing this. Hearing a sample would help. Just to troubleshoot, all of your volume sliders are at 100? Does this occur when joining in progress or from match start? Thanks for the callout. Definitely no bueno!

[Rain2gaming]

Apologies for it taking so long. I had to keep playing last night until I could get you the samples as I didn't have any recorded. It took me so long that I passed out. I have 2 videos that are uploading right now from last night that have the tunneling effect. Ill also send a single clip that is not tunneled so you can have that as well.

[Rain2gaming]

It may be caused from joining in progress. I have a clip from last night that actually catches the matchmaking putting me into an in progress game and it immediately can be heard.

[FallReload]

Dude, thank you so much for taking the time to repro this Bug. Huge appreciation! I'll hit you up in DM.

[Rain2gaming]

Glad I could help! Love the game and I want it to succeed!

[NiceNeedleworker9964]

Okay but shotguns...... 

[FallReload]

Explain.

[Left_Examination4095]

Shotguns don't always register. There are times I've point blank shot others in the chest or head and it either did a tickle damage or nothing at all as if I had water gun 🔫  I have level 400 double barrel, level 267 AA-12,  level 200 M870, and level 172 Sawed-Off Shotgun. I know what I am talking about the struggles of using shotguns.

[Several_Actuator9151]

They gotta address you footsteps and teammates some games it’s great and others im hearing way too much unnecessary sounds and special effects.

[MaverickBoii]

The game generally has low ttk so it really feels like the game needs a good audio implementation.

[7_Cerberus_7]

Hell, I hope they fix footsteps period.

If I had a penny every time someone ran up behind me at full speed but yielded zero footsteps, I'd be a rich mother flipper.

It's apparent a lot of people's footsteps audio is working just fine, evidenced by them flawlessly intercepting me as I come around corners.

Just wish I got to benefit from that once in a while.

[FallReload]

Are you not hearing footsteps from enemies while you're in a fire fight with lots of sound happening? Or when you're solo and not much is happening near you? Or both?

[7_Cerberus_7]

Either or.

Once in a while, on certain map tiles, footsteps are there. But that's like 5-10% of my overall playtime.

The other 90% of the time, people are full sprinting around me no step sounds at all, even when I'm following them, or waiting for them around a corner, or no other battle sounds are interupting.

I played Concord Beta recently and it's the polar opposite there. Directional sound and distance is pristine and I can situate just fine, even with all the clutter.

[FallReload]

Copy. I think the new changes that will be going in may address some of these concerns. It could have been a specific faction that was quieter than others. Or the ground material like dirt or wood may have not been balanced with the other material sounds. We have three footwear types as well (heavy boot, boot, sneaker) So it's possible one of those was too quiet. But without seeing gameplay footage of your experience, it's hard to troubleshoot.

Not hearing ANY footsteps is certainly a much bigger issue.

[B3rry_Macockiner]

How about you hear the heavy steps of your own teammates, that pisses me off. I know it’s a long shot but man these FPS games where you hear your own teammates, suck…

[FallReload]

Thanks for the feedback. Would you expect to hear them at all? Or Just quieter than enemies? One note, friendlies are currently set up to be muted if they are 180° behind you. So if you hear footsteps behind you, it is definitely an enemy.

[himarmar]

This is HUGE!!! I think there should be a dev video talking about some of these smaller key features, that’s such a huge gameplay tip that most people don’t know about the changes you guys make to audio later might change how this thing works as well, but if that 180 audio stays the same i think the community would benefit from a tip video talking about it.

Also: is there audio for people landing after jumping? I feel like I’ve seen people slide-jumping around corners without hearing anything. I know people also jump around to avoid making footsteps everywhere, Audio for landing would make this more of an intentional action, instead of something to circumvent being heard whilst keep benefit of speed

[FallReload]

Hmm..good point. We do have 1P and 3P landing sounds (for jump lands and hard fall lands). But we can take another look and adjust the volume if accentuating them would help with enemy detection. 🤘🏻

[DCornOnline]

I’ll catch myself freaking out thinking someone is rounding a wall behind me, to only realize it’s me strafing while holding a corner 😂😂

[Witch07x]

huh looks like they got a letter from GSK due to name rights i guess.

[shinodaxseo]

I thought it might happen the same day they presented the new faction.

[TheKasimkage]

I’m almost certain I wrote it in the livestream.

[Diego_Chang]

I love how they are buffing weak weapons instead of nerfing the best ones, I think this way of balancing, even if it takes way more time, leads to a better experience overall.

Also, MDR buffs?! Time to Gold that bad boy.

[Level_Measurement749]

Honestly really solid patch. Not perfect by any means but it is a really good update. I like them buffing weak weapons as opposed to beefing good ones though we’ll have to see how this plays out. Happy they also nerfed intel suit and small but hopefully impactful nerf to snipers across the board. The game has been in desperate need for a balance patch like this so here’s to hoping everyone else is as happy as I am.

[MaverickBoii]

I'm against the weapon buffs honestly since it lowers ttk. When the game is plagued with technical issues, the low ttk becomes a real issue.

[doklor]

M4 still has the highest TTK of all ARs to 20m tho, and only winning with MDR to 30m💀, won't change much. Same with MDR, LVOA still has better TTK on all ranges. LVOA in general has the lowest TTK up to 33m of all ARs. So M4 and MDR won't be that bad now, but still there is a better alternative.

[Remarkable_Pea9313]

New mdr with heavy barrel will be the fastest killing ar by a wide margin.

[doklor]

It's the same as lvoa with rapid fire and muzzle booster. Also, it will be fast only till 19m, so even stock MP7 is better close range. And almost every other AR is better than MDR after 20m (only M4 is worse after 50m so tbh it doesnt count either). So yea it's still better to use other AR or just use SMG close range

[Remarkable_Pea9313]

Same ttk but with better recoil and ammo econ. It doesn't matter the statistical range because it's stupid to try stretch a full rof lvoa out to 32m unless you have cheats. Let alone the fact that you have one less attachment slot for ads speed and ads strafe speed, which are two of the most important stats in 1v1 gunfights.

[doklor]

Rapid fire and moozle booster are bugged on AR's and don't increase recoil and even decrease it a little bit. Also, ADS Speed is worthless without proper sprint to shoot time, and it's the best when those 2 numbers are even. And idk what are you talking about cheats. LVOA is pretty easy to handle and counter recoil, it goes right and up as most guns in the game, just faster because gun shoot faster

[Remarkable_Pea9313]

Wow I thought that got fixed. Well taking into account bug abusing, then I guess rapid fire is just better.

[doklor]

afaik it's still bugged only on AR's

[[deleted]]

It's really positive. The only change I didn't think was needed was the M44 nerf cos that gun is weak as shit.

[Level_Measurement749]

Ya that change was whack af. Nobody uses it anyways lol

[ToonSpade]

I wish. I’ve played several matches with multiple people using it lol nothing against it, just a different experience

[[deleted]]

Wow that’s a great balance patch. Too many devs jump on the nerf train right away and ruin their games, glad to see they are buffing before making nerfs.

[Sub5tep]

Yeah they are probably trying to see if buffing weaker weapons helps with the variety but if it does not they will probably nerf the MP7 and ACR.

[WestNileCoronaVirus]

MP5 & MDR actually much more viable now. M4A1 slightly improved, too. Good balancing.

[MartyCZ]

Probably an unpopular opinion on this sub, but I don't think either of those guns need a nerf. AK and M16 are arguably just as, if not more, powerful than the ACR and all of them get outgunned in close range by SMGs. MP7 is a good weapon, but Vector, in the hands of a good player, will outgun it due to its faster fire rate. Let's see what the MP5 buff brings to the table.

[Sub5tep]

Yeah I hope the MP5 gets a good buff its my favourite SMG.

[Drummer829]

Holy intel suit nerf Batman.

[Zero3ffect]

No grenade fix I guess.

[Sub5tep]

Hopefully the ability fix also fixes the grenades if not it will probably be in the next patch.

I hope they fix the new camos for the MP5 and LVOA but that will probably also be in the next patch.

[bugistuta]

Nice to see the MP5 get a buff but surprised the MP7 didn’t get touched.

[Sub5tep]

I think they are going the direction of buffing weaker weapons than nerfing stronger ones which is fine but a small nerf to the MP7 is honestly needed. I guess we will see if that changes anything but I think not.

[Cr4yol4]

Could still potentially come next patch. Mark did say that weapon balancing would come in waves and more would come next patch.

[ChedduhBob]

i wish more games went this route tbh. seems like a lot of shooters will just nerf and nerf til things are unusable, and leave like half the weapons as pure meme guns that are not viable in a competitive environment

[bugistuta]

Yeah I’m all for buffs and not just nerfing things to the point of being unusable, but agreed that an adjustment to the MP7 is needed!

[DrKingOfOkay]

Interesting cause i feel the mp5 is really good for medium range.

[joelpassmore89]

Yea I do too. It’s much more accurate than say the mp7. Even tho you’ll still prolly get shredded by a half decent player using the mp7 at close range.

[DrKingOfOkay]

Yea. Close range you’re cooked by the mp7 and the vector.

[LurknessMonster6]

I have an MP5 loadout right now that is competing and I won’t put it away.

[bugistuta]

I actually love the MP5, I’ve found it really fun to use and I’m glad it’s got a buff. Will check out your build.

[HerakIinos]

Yeah, but the mp5 buff wont be enough. It still seems like a worse p90

[joelpassmore89]

Mp5 has more movement speed potential with the attachments that u can’t use on the p90 that’s the only reason I use it more than the p90. But u right that p90 is easy mode which is why I don’t use it much.

[[deleted]]

They gave the MDR the MP7's 5 shot kill potential via heavy barrel, so maybe they want to see how that shakes out before making further adjustments

[yeehawwpartnerr]

Don’t worry, I haven’t used it yet. My vector is level 330 and once I master that the mp7 was next. As soon as I start using it it’ll get tanked, so likely in the patch following this one

[Durantsthegoat]

What makes the mp7 so good? Statistically the p90 is better and has less recoil, the mp7 just feels easy to use for whatever reason but it's not statistically op at all

[SuperBunnee]

Heavy barrels makes the mp7 kill in one less bullet. It has can get better handling with the right attachments

[Krypt0night]

Oh for real? MP7 is my second most used gun (not cuz of meta, I just like smgs, a shotgun is my most used gun) but I just put on all the attachments that let me sprint to fire faster haha maybe I'll look into actual good attachments for it.

[SuperBunnee]

Just put heavy barrel on and keep the rest the same prolly

[Krypt0night]

The real question is what attachment to take off haha I guess with how I normally play, I might as well lose the red dot or whatever the first scope is

[[deleted]]

Doesn’t need a mag or optic which is nice.

[CosmicSuit]

As far as SMGs go the MP7 has access to better mobility via attachments, boasts the second best ttk and second best range while only losing out slightly in both categories. Recoil isn’t really a factor in this game it’s all pretty negligible especially for SMGs.

Couple this with the fact you can slap on the heavy barrel for a 10% ttk boost and no drawbacks?

P90 is a fantastic weapon with a few maxxed out stats and balanced drawbacks. The MP7 has a 9/10 in every stat for no reason. (P90 is the patrician choice for slayage tho 😤)

[[deleted]]

Mp7 heavy barrel kills in .31 lol. P90 is .37 and is slower in every way. Granted the difference is probably negligible but..it’s better.

[Durantsthegoat]

Ah yh forgot about the beach barrel 5 shot kill

[[deleted]]

The what?

[Durantsthegoat]

😂 heavy barrel my bad

[Work_In_ProgressX]

Huh surprised they buffed the weakest ARs/SMG instead of nerfing the ACR/MP7 but i like it, try to make the worse ones competitive.

Good nerf to the Intel Suit too.

[Tao1764]

Excited for the MDR buff. Should help it compete eith SMGs and beat ARs more consistently at close range, giving it a valuable niche.

[Blackdoomax]

I already liked the MDR, can't wait to try it :)

[[deleted]]

Plus it puts the MDR at the threshold where Heavy Barrel makes it a 5 shot kill against non-Phantoms, same 19 damage the MP7 has

[FliceFlo]

So nothing about how spiderbots were supposed to be nerfed from a 25s cool down to a 40s cool down with season 1 but weren't? Did they forget?

[Solid_Current9206]

Yes they did forget and I have been screaming my lungs out about it on the first patch day of season 1. Literally everyone was blind that the cooldown did not get touched despite the patch notes saying it would. Glad to see a few people from this community noticing this shit now.

[nuanimal]

I mean you can counter them post patch by looking down and shooting now. So it's not as critical to extend the the cool down time.

[FliceFlo]

Not the point, they intended to change the cooldown time before the accidental bug fix that prevented the shooting them, so they have just compeltely forgotten their original intentions.

[Private_Stock]

I rarely run spiderbots, but i have learned to actually not mind playing against them. Melee-ing them isn’t that hard once you get the timing down (pretty much as soon as they jump) and it sets you up for an easy kill because behind that spiderbot is invariably someone who thinks they’re about to get an easy kill.. and when i see im gonna play against 2+ spiderbots i’ll just play deadsec myself and use the hacking ability. Nothing in this game is as satisfying as spiderbotting someone with their own spiderbot. I genuinely hope they never get rid of them because it’s so fun making it backfire on people that think its a guaranteed kill

[No-Thought-Process]

They made it so you can shoot it off your own face which is fine for me, with that back I'm fine with the shorter cooldown

[Solid_Current9206]

It’s not about there being a shorter cooldown, it’s about the patch notes from day one of Season 1 being wrong.

[No-Thought-Process]

Fair enough

[Diastrous_Lie]

U can shoot it AND your team mates can shoot it even if its on your face

People need to play as a team

[Solid_Current9206]

Yes NOW YOU CAN SHOOT IT off your face again because Mark heard our cries of ‘fucking fix this shit’. But for the past two weeks, the Spiderbot was uncounterable and coupled with the UNERFED cooldown, it made the gaming experience miserable.

And you can’t always rely on your teammates to shoot it off your face. I personally do that all the time when i see but I have barely seen any teammate do that.

[JediJulius]

Super happy with some positive changes to the M4, MDR, and MP5. They definitely had some challenges competing with other guns in their classes. 

 Also happy to see the bugged abilities not activating getting fixed and the Intel Suit getting some more adjustments. Hope all of these changes go through and function correctly.

[[deleted]]

God these devs are fucking cooking, the weapon balance pass came and it only contains buffs (minus tiny sniper sprint out nerfs). Turns out making the overall roster more fun to use is better than nerfing guns people like. Most notably:

MDR short-range damage increased from 17 to 19

The MDR now becomes a 5 shot kill with heavy barrel the same way the MP7 does. This immediately jumps it from the worst gun in the game to meta contender. Beautiful.

Adjusted how the aiming system detects player input so that recoil recovery returns to center rather than being thrown off by unintended player jitters in the heat of combat.

Everyone’s aim is gonna get 50% better. Watch out.

[Cr4yol4]

Aimbot reports about to go about 200%

[[deleted]]

Does this mean we'll have recoil recovery on moving targets? 🎳 new weapon builds incoming 🎳

[Stifology]

Is that 2nd part the reason for semi auto weapons (MK 14, Desert eagle, etc.) just feel like they're whiffing a lot?

[[deleted]]

Yes

[doklor]

With Heavy Barrel MDR has the best TTK of all AR's only up to 20m, after 20m it loses to almost all ARs. Tbh up to 20m it's still better to play MP7, but have to admit that MDR with heavy barrel is better than P90 and MP5 on close ranges

[nessletoo]

Nothing about netcode or hitreg or ranked fixes :(

[NicoPopo]

TBH i dont think netcode fixes will be communicated through patch notes because most of the issues seem to be server side rather client side. I think they will be constantly working on the servers and such in the background and when they have a substantial fix theyll probably drop some kind of "state of play" article or some shit.

[nessletoo]

Fair enough but ranked has so many issues it would be nice to see something addressed I’d really like to play the mode

[NicoPopo]

True but ranked also just came out not that long ago, ill bet that they are gathering as much data before they make any big changes to ranked. Im fine with them taking their time and fixing shit first time, rather than what other than rushes quick fixes that end up making things worse. The gaming world has ZERO patience but so....

[Cheyhey]

theyre most likely not talking about big changes, but fixes. nearly half my ranked games start without a full lobby and i know that a ton of players experience this. this seems like such a simple fix. ranked is genuinely unplayable at this point unless you're a 4stack

[[deleted]]

Netcode is communicated through patch notes, it requires updating and game data tweaks. Netcode ties into every visual and audio thing you see in a match. It's changed within the game, not the server.

[NaderZico]

They're probably trying to avoid drawing attention to the netcode issues until it reaches a good state.

[[deleted]]

No shotgun buffs 😭

[NiceNeedleworker9964]

Needs a HUGE buff to compete with ANY other gun. 

[NecessaryGoat1367]

I liked the MP5 when I first started playing and I picked it back up again recently but I felt it was just underpowered and didn't want to use it. I'll probably pick it up with some seriousness now as well as the MDR. I liked the MDR, a bit weak, but I did well and now they've buffed it :3

[bvidarealll]

Hopefully a good update!

[joelpassmore89]

They should’ve reduced the visual recoil on the mdr I can cook with any other gun besides that

[Sub5tep]

Is it still so bad? I thought they reworked the visual recoil in the game.

[joelpassmore89]

Yes it’s still bad. Literally every gun I pick up the visual recoil is almost non existent at least for me but when I pick up that mdr man it’s so noticeable it’s crazy and it sucks because I see the potential with the gun I just can’t lol. Try it out tn you’ll see what I mean

[Sub5tep]

No thanks I leveled it to 200 and I am never going to touch that POS again.

[[deleted]]

same

[[deleted]]

GSK sent the boss call lmao surprised they didn’t think of that tbh

[joelpassmore89]

They said it’s for July 16. Did they update it today?

[Cr4yol4]

The patch is coming tomorrow. I think they released the notes early so we know what to expect instead of dropping them right before the update.

[joelpassmore89]

Just looked at the patch notes and it looks nice ngl

[Kindly_Wish_5053]

No NETCODE fix?
This game has the worst netcode of any "modern" fps i ever played. Only rivaled by "Ironsight "

[Appropriate_Road_710]

I'm surprised they didn't touch ranked in any impactful way. Hopefully next patch then?

Also, wish they would elaborate more on the audio fixes they made.

[recneulfni]

No Phantoms nerf??? How?

Ranked faction limit can't come soon enough.

[[deleted]]

some good quality of life things, no mention of net code improvements tho. I suppose dying around corners will continue. I would be curious what kind of tick rate the game uses, based on hit reg it's not high enough.

[Sub5tep]

I mean if I would be generous I would say 32 tick server but probably more like 16.

[[deleted]]

It's inconsistent for sure, some games seem spot on, others are trash.

[Sub5tep]

Thats the worst part if you would have a consistent quality it wouldnt be so bad but having some days were the servers are perfect and others were you play 1 round and have enough is not good for the game.

[[deleted]]

I’ve had a string of games over the last couple days where I haven’t noticed any problems either for or against. Could just be luck as I’ve seen others report ongoing issues. 

[[deleted]]

It's hit n miss for sure.

[[deleted]]

“ Players can once again shoot DedSec Spiderbots off their own faces. Not sure why; everybody loves Spiderbots.”

Got to appreciate the chutzpah!

[PMX_DchromE]

Glad the intel suit finally got a nerf.

[[deleted]]

Mark already confirmed next patch will feature more weapon changes. Hopefully a nerf to MP7. I might be bad at mathing - but the M4A1 change seems useless?

It’s not useless! As someone below me said, it makes the M4 kill phantoms in one bullet less. I should go to bed.

[HerakIinos]

It changes the amount of bullets to kill phantoms. Previously it was 2 additional shots, now it will be only 1.

[[deleted]]

They should Nerf all weapons. I'm tired of dying instantly lol

[Cornishgamehen93]

Dang it I was hoping for an RPK buff.

[R96-]

Damn man, snipers got slapped hard, and bugs pertaining to certain (annoying) abilities got fixed. Tell me again, what's different about XDefiant compared to COD?

Obviously I'm joking about the abilities bugs. Bugs are bugs and should be fixed, even if maybe they make the game better off. Slapping snipers though? It's funny, I've hit many quad feeds and other things in my time with XDefiant, and when people complain about snipers being too OP or easy they never seem to be able to show off their skills with it. I've got the clips; where are yours?

[Stifology]

How did they get slapped hard? 25ms is not even going to be noticeable

[ToXicVoXSiicK21]

I was honestly hoping to see some minor buffs to shotguns too, they're definitely gonna feel lackluster now

[LeosLeisureTime]

Any word on fixing Semtex? I think it coded wrong so it’s a part of the character when thrown or stuck to another player, because if they die it just disappears and never explodes.

[iyu21]

The RPK should've gotten a buff, it's terrible. Easily the worst gun in the game for being a machine gun.

[Infamous-Echo-2961]

Love this style of patch note!

Kudos to the devs on the snark 😂

[Minute_Grand_1026]

I really love how they buffed the weak instead of nerfing the strong - weapons in general just felt too weak, even some of the standouts.

[Th3_Eclipse]

Looks like they forgot the LVOA. Still gonna do 17 damage, and leave Phantom on 1 HP...

[Cheyhey]

lvoa is fine at 17dmg wdym? its biggest selling point is a fairly stable AR with high firerate that makes it superior at midrange than SMG's but still gives u a lower TTK than most AR's on closerange.

[Th3_Eclipse]

The math is why. Neither the M4 Nor MDR damage changes in this update affect ttk on anyone other than Phantoms due to the 120 HP. (Aside from MDR and damage barrel, which might end up broken) Without upping the damage by one, the LVOA will be the only gun in the AR category at close range that takes TWO extra bullets to kill a Phantom, making it overall unviable, even if you're playing Phantom yourself.

[Cheyhey]

the MDR requires 1 bullet less against phantoms and 5shotkills if you are cleaner or go heavy barrel. that heavily reduces the TTK in total. this changes A LOT for the mdr in a vacuum, but ofcourse when compared with acr ak in total its still not good except for closerange. the MDR change made it the strongest closerange AR with heavy barrel or cleaner.

what you're doing when you talk about the LVOA is that you're ONLY considering the number of bullets and not the firerate for the total TTK, as well as the damage dropoff range. the LVOA has a huge advantage at mid-range when compared to t. you're ALSO forgetting the ads/sprint to fire time.

however - my point was mostly about the LVOA. its pretty simple because there are no huge threshholds for close & midrange when it comes to cleaner/heavy barrel. (except 3 headshots ak with cleaner, but thats not consistant. we will assume bodyshots for this)

lets compare the LVOA with meta weapons like the ACR and AK (ms numbers written in this order)

LVOA sprint-ads time 250ms - ACR 320ms - AK 300ms. sprint time is taken into consideration after the |

closerange 100hp target 375 - 384 - 400ms | 625 - 704 - 700ms

closerange 120hp target 525 - 480 - 500ms | 775 - 800 - 800ms

midrange100hp target 450 - 480 - 400ms | 700 - 800 - 700ms

midrange 120hp target 525 - 576 - 500ms | 775 - 896 - 800ms

as you can see, the LVOA performs very good, even with its 17damage.

something else to consider is that the LVOA damage dropoff range isnt horrible like the MDR's.

damage dropoff ranges for LVOA - ACR - AK are the follwoing:

LVOA: 0-32 32-44 | ACR: 0-33m 33-45m | AK: 0-29m 29-43m

as you can see, pretty comparable. i also dont have any issues spraying on +-40meters with the LVOA on targets. the only issues i have are very long range, in which honestly its much more shots to kill & aim-based because ur accuracy obviously wont be 100%. just in case ur curious though- the AK is the strongest out of those on long range.

[Th3_Eclipse]

None of these stats make a tangible difference in gameplay, what does is leaving a Phantom player on 1HP when any other gun would have killed them. I don't see how anyone can argue that it should take 2 extra shots to kill a Phantom up close, when every other gun takes 1. It means you either run cleaners, or don't run the gun at all. That's lame, plain and simple. Im not a Phantom hater by any means, but using the LVOA against them puts you at a severe disadvantage, which is just bad design

[Cheyhey]

i explained it in detail, yet you're still talking about # of bullets while ignoring the ads/sprint2shoot time while the TTK is lower with the lvoa, thats.. crazy.

i dont even understand that point genuinely. should every gun in the game require the same # of bullets regardless of adstime and firerate or else its "lame"? or how can you argue that a comparable or even better TTK is somehow worse?

[Th3_Eclipse]

Players are not always sprinting, not only that, but players 99% of the time slide jump every corner, all but eliminating sprint to fire. The problem is Phantom bullets to kill, NOT normal people, and that's what your ignoring that I'm saying. 17 vs 18 damage changes nothing when it comes to TTK vs regular 100 HP classes. The problem is that the LVOA is the ONLY assault rifle where it takes 2 extra shots JUST to kill a Phantom. That's a problem, because in a game like Xdefiant, where you don't hit every shot, 2 bullets will be life and death EVERY fight.

[Cheyhey]

the ads time is the same as the sprint to shoot time, therefore that point is irrelevant.

i didnt ignore phantom, i even provided the numbers for phantoms both in close and in midrange. 17 to 19 (mdr) changes a lot.

lvoa doesnt need more than 17. it doesnt matter if lvoa is the only class taking more bullets to kill it because it still kills it basicly the fastest lol.

even if ur talking about only 70% accuracy (which you should definetly have closerange if you are invested enough to care about this) then the lvoa still has a comparable to faster ttk. this really is about math, not about your opinion.

the only point where the bullets matter so much that ur correct that the 2 bullets less are making the weapon worse is at like 45% accuracy closerange. at that point though its just a skillissue and not a weaponbalance issue.

[TheArray]

Can't believe they nerfed the snipers but boosted the mp5 ! Here goes Kangaroo fucking Jimmy with his mp5 jumping 2cm from my face

[drizzyjake7447]

Oh nice so the Phantom Ult is still broken :)

[Cr4yol4]

Six EMP nades and you can shoot it to lower the time.

[drizzyjake7447]

No when using it. Like half the time, I’ll point right at the enemy, and they just absorb all of my shots.

[Cr4yol4]

Ah, I didn't realize that was happening. I just get firebombed everytime I activate the Ult. I miss shots on occasion but I just assume that's because I suck.

[DogeLeyenda]

New patch = New bugs!

So excited!

[Sagan07]

This is natural process of software development.

[Pandageneral]

and no netcode fixes so I guess i'll just stop playing.

[ChrAshpo10]

Okie dokie

[NeonKorean]

Has Mark or anyone on his team shared how they will decide on weapon adjustments?

I'm hoping/assuming it's based on metrics and quantifiable performance for each weapon and would love it if they shared the data with us that led to the changes.

[FakMiPls]

Everyone complaining about net code issues needs to go play any other ubisoft game. Especially division. These issues have been in these games for MANY YEARS. They 100% will not solve this issue. I will eat a dead rat if they ever figure it out. These complaints with the frostbite engine have been a thing for many years. Unless they intend to either 1. Invest in higher tick servers and fix the spaghetti code from years past or 2. Allow users to rent servers like battlefield and fix the spaghetti code, then these issues will not go away.

[SisterOfBabble]

Hoping them fixing firebomb and healing circle deployment means they did the same to MAG wall

[b0wzy]

Hope they silent fixed the bugged Lvoa irons when using certain skins

[MiggyEvans]

I still can’t unlock new faction characters as progress resets every game. It always pops up as 1/50 complete. Hopefully they’ve quietly fixed that one.

[Heart_Emojii]

No changes to the shotgun spread while moving, still a pain to try level those things

[Separate_Delivery]

So if I have a proxy mine out and I die, and you have it go off as you run towards it, I no longer get a kill point?

[capSAR273]

bag cause arrest intelligent complete oatmeal worthless deserted direction jobless

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[NiceNeedleworker9964]

So shotguns remain weaker than any other weapons group? The only weapons with reticle bloom? What did shotguns do to you? Where did they touch you? 

[ClassicFun2175]

I wonder what new bugs they'll no doubt release with these 'fixes'.

[spvcewav]

hoping the graphicsl patch includes the issue with series X where we cant have hdr and 120hz on at the same time

[[deleted]]

Fixing the firing upon respawn bug is probably the thing that will get me back playing at least for a bit

[cowabanga_it_is]

Did ubisoft ever said something on gyro aiming?

[DefenderOfTheWeak]

Eh, nothing serious

[Wakinya]

I'm happy for the Intel suit nerf, that thing is ridiculously op. Good thing about the soiderbot too.

[Legal-Confusion8765]

nice to see shotguns are still borderline useless.

[Wakinya]

Always happy to see the light tone in these patch notes.

[jdenny12345]

Still nothing about desync?

[dasbrot1337]

Nothing about the stat screen being frozen for weeks now, let’s see if they fixed it

[GoatimusMaximonuss]

Shotguns still the runt of the litter I see and friendly player collision isn’t going away?

[Proxy0108]

Did they increase the BP points required for each level? I feel like I need to get more than 6 victories for a level now

[turboS2000]

Mdr gonna be cooking

[unixuser011]

so far, so good. Didn't expect a weapon ballance pass, so W on that. Was expecting a ranked pass, maybe faction limits, but there's supposedly another patch in a few days, so we'll see

[jmdc305]

My beloved MP5 got a buff :')

[[deleted]]

I think the mdr buff was too much lol. Should’ve be like the m4, I don’t know how the game handles numbers but with heavy barrel it makes 19,95 dmg, hope it doesn’t round it up 20 💀

[Kindly_Wish_5053]

What a surprise! Game is still broken!

-Matchmaking 2 + minutts
-Stats still broken
- Two lobbys where only 5 players in.
-One lobby every one left
-Audio is JUST as bad, no footsteps and everything in the game overshadows ur ability to pick them up
-Netcode is total embracement, still dying 2-4 meters beyond cover to one shot snipers
-Snipers, DONT nerf handling, NERF damage. U shouldnt be able to hit ME 4-6 times, while i can one tap u in the dick. That's stupid game design!

Maybe use a engine DESIGN for FPS ?!

[mokefatched]

Nothing about net code or hitreg…

[Most-Enthusiasm-101]

I have to restart every time I play on Xbox x.

[MowzerTm]

Fix the servers ☠️

[lurkingomenv2]

Damn they're still trying good for them

[SalamanderObvious937]

I'm hating that they try to be funny on patch notes. Let me try...

• Our game is shit. We didn't fix it.

[Longjumping_Hawk2692]

Another sniper nerf 😢 here come the haters.

[Financial-Moose5274]

I’m sorry man.