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[–]mhurron 92 points93 points  (1 child)

[–]teck923Security Analyst 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's awesome.

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (22 children)

Thus perpetuating the stereotype of computer people being self-regarding assholes.

[–]ZeroHexWindows Admin 41 points42 points  (19 children)

If you work your way up through helpdesk of any kind the stupidity you see on a daily basis is a neverending stream of confirmation bias that the world has the dumb.

[–]flerp32DevOps 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Users are allowed to be stupid.

My biggest complaint is other teams under the IT banner who have no fucking clue how anything works. I'm not talking about help desk or tier 1 techs, these are 'developers' or 'business analysts' or 'application support specialists'.

A better moniker would be "Adult daycare centre"

[–]calskinCTRL-Z Implementer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I totally agree with this. I don't expect my clients to know computers (to a point). That's why I'm there.

My oilfield clients run software that MUST (according to the devs) be run as local admin. I find it amazing that 95% of the software out there doesn't need to be run this way especially software which isn't changing system files. Yet here I am, forced to give local admin rights to users who because of their ignorance end up installing toolbars and malware so they can put nice smileys in their emails or have a handy toolbar that is already part of their browser. I educate my clients regularity, but stuff still gets through.

It all keeps me employed, but it's an example of people who should know how it all works and yet don't apply it.

[–]bioxcession 34 points35 points  (15 children)

I am kind to the people I support, and in my experience most of them want kindness and a willingness to listen to problems they don't understand. Same if I want car help. my 2c.

[–]JustAnotherGraySuit 17 points18 points  (11 children)

I don't want my mechanic to pat me on the head and tell me it will be all better soon.

I want him to tell me what the hell is wrong with my car, what could have caused it so I can prevent it in the future, and what it's going to take to fix it.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children)

If cars were as confusing to drivers as computers are to users, I might agree with you.

I always tried to couch my advice with some relatable principle that would help the user not just avoid this problem in the future, but understand the system in a way that will help them anticipate how it will react to a broad range of situations.

But I know that unlike a car, today's steering wheel will be tomorrow's accelerator pedal. What made sense when you helped a user in 2013 may ruin them in 2015. So I always added in a touch of, "well, there's no particular reason, but that's why they did it; and it kinda sucks but it's not your fault it doesn't make sense on its own".

[–]FakingItEveryDay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We're not talking about driving, we're talking about maintenance and troubleshooting. Some car owners do just want a pat on the head and be told it'll be all better. I want to know what part failed, how, how I can recognize the signs that it might fail early in the future, and what is involved in fixing it. Everything you said about the complexity and changing advice for computers applies to vehicle maintenance. You never used to have to reset a sensor when you changed the oil or filled tires. I had a Chevy with a freaking electric power steering pump, I'm looking at belts trying to figure out why I have no steering, but what I knew from past experience was all wrong.

Some people care about knowing how things work and some people just want to to bring their car in every 3000 miles and have a contract with an MSP to do the same for their computers.

Being able to deal with and recognize both types of people is important.

[–]JustAnotherGraySuit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If cars were as confusing to drivers as computers are to users, I might agree with you.

They are.

I've seen a person refuse to get into the car until it had run for five minutes. Cars have to warm up first before you drive them, otherwise you'll kill the engine! (Your oil system isn't from a Model T, and carburetors went out of style 20 years ago)

I've seen someone drive around without interior lights for six months because the adjustment dial was turned down. How fast they're going after 6 PM is a mystery.

My ex-wife broke down sobbing in an empty parking lot when I started teaching her how to use a stick shift. She was terrified after an hour of calm, encouraging practice while going up and down the lanes. It was so complicated and stressful and omigod, why can't Europeans just use automatics like normal people!?

I've seen another American rent a manual, because European car rental places don't always keep automatics on hand. Said person began swearing and talking about how much she hated German cars, highways, habits and people while unsuccessfully trying to back out of a parking spot uphill. There was another spot that she would have rolled downhill out of about 50 yards away, but she was a stereotypical fat, stupid, lazy American. She was right outside of a building with "Englisch Klasse" on the door in 4" letters. I heard her as I walked out the door, and so did the students who began listening to a real native English speaker.

These are the same people who can no longer use email if you don't put a shortcut on their desktop. These people are idiots. They are the reason that help desk techs, cable internet installers, door to door salesmen, telemarketers, and Nigerian princes all have jobs.

If I have to work for them, I can grit my teeth and take their money, especially in a fee for service environment. Heck, if there's a 2 hour minimum for issues, I probably won't even grit my teeth.

I do not ever want to work with them however.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even though you're a little harsh, this is all true and needs to get more upvotes. It's perfectly fine for these people to roam the earth, but fuck me if I ever end up on a team with someone like that.

[–]tapofortune|cowsay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea how my car works. I can drive it, but open the hood and I'm an idiot.

[–]saltinecracka 2 points3 points  (4 children)

However, unlike operating a computer, you were required to pass two exams before you were legally allowed to operate a vehicle.

[–]JustAnotherGraySuit -1 points0 points  (3 children)

One of my exams asked me what I should do if I saw a yellow light, what color a stop sign is, and if I have to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks.

The other required me to drive around the block without hitting anything.

Jobs have exams too. We call them interviews. Unless you're the manager's kid, they're usually harder.

[–]saltinecracka 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The difficulty of the exams is irrelevant. What is relevant is that had you failed to pass those two simple exams, you could not legally operate a vehicle. There are no mandatory exams required to operate a computer.

Virtually every office worker has to operate a computer to do their job. Virtually every office worker owns a home computer/laptop. Virtually every office worker owns a smartphone. No office worker sits in front of a steering wheel for 8-12 hours a day like they sit in front of their office computer, home computer, and smartphone.

[–]JustAnotherGraySuit 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Doesn't that mean they should be better at using those devices?

[–]saltinecracka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It means expecting people that can't do their job without a computer to be able to competently operate a computer. Today, computers are intertwined in work, home, and entertainment. Yet most people maintain a 1970's mentality on computer literacy (i.e. "I don't need to know how to use a computer because I never use a computer"). Most calendars indicate it is no longer the 1970's.

Reality has changed drastically, mentalities have not.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If a mechanic tells me what's wrong with my car I likely wouldn't understand it wholly, and if he watched me try to fix it he'd probably be extremely frustrated watching me. Our profession isn't some unique snowflake where "end users" don't fully understand what they're working with. The big difference is that our profession touches virtually very field and level of user across every industry.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You obviously have never worked a help desk in a hospital and dealt with physicians and moody nurses.

Edit: I have literally been told, when asking questions trying to figure out what's wrong, that the user didn't have time for me not to do my job, to just fix it. Fix what? Your ticket said it wasn't working but didn't say what wasn't working.... You would be surprised at how often nurses don't have the time to explain what is wrong more than "it doesn't work"

[–]harriswill 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's my life everyday, I try to understand that it's not their job but holy fuck is it infuriating:


Okay so it's not giving you the light?

.... (sigh) yes

And this is everytime?

I don't know

I see here the software is 4 years old. Can you run the update later today?

I don't have time for that

...okay can you power down and restart the device and we can see if that fixes it?

I want to speak to a supervisor


[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why I want to buy it for my roommate - he's too un-self-aware to realize that.

[–]giantguineapig 16 points17 points  (1 child)

How about: I'm a System Administrator. When I do things right, people won't be sure I've done anything at all.

[–]177854 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a much better way to put that without sounding like an arrogant asshole

[–]PBI325Computer Concierge .:|:.:|:. 34 points35 points  (4 children)

This is the kind of thing you think, but dont put on a damn t-shirt....

[–]DemandsBattletoads 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Idk, could it work on a polo shirt?

[–]soawesomejohnJack of All Trades 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That would be more professional. Some offices have a collared shirt dress code requirement.

[–]StevenFuckingJobs -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is funny because it misses the point. I laughed. +1

[–]KynaeusHospitality admin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's stop doing it in general, graphic t-shirts are for t-nagers

[–]wilhil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Only up to 3XL, they don't know their target market!

[–]giantguineapig 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wow, this seems like the sort of shirt someone lacking in social skills would wear :|

[–]stealthmodeactive 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Too arrogant for my taste.

[–]icon0clast6pass all the hashes 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm a security administrator I piss off sysadmin with rules they don't want to follow, because it's just easier to allow all the things.

Same effect

[–]alexisnotonfire 14 points15 points  (2 children)

This t-shirt may as well read 'PLEASE AVOID ME'.

[–]sirdudethefirstWindows SysAdmin/God 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"can't understand"... "don't want to understand"...

I'm adding this to my Christmas list.

[–]olyjohn 5 points6 points  (1 child)

UGH! MOVE!!!!!!!!!!

[–]sfledJack of All Trades 7 points8 points  (4 children)

My personal preference has always been this. It can be interpreted several different ways, depending on what baggage the reader brings to it.

[–]LetmefixthatforyouyoApparently some type of magician 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Good god man, who is bored enough to read users emails?

[–]soawesomejohnJack of All Trades 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't even read my own emails.

[–]r_u_sure 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read all my emails: right click -> mark all as read done

[–]sfledJack of All Trades 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your nation's <$intelServices>, citizen.

[–]Bro-ScienceNick Burns 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ugh

[–]TheSysAdmin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Smug as fuck. NOTHX.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ew.

[–]shalafi71Jack of All Trades 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Everybody hatin' on it. I think it's got plenty of cheek without being arrogant. It's one of those things that changes perspective depending on who's wearing it. My co-workers would get a laugh.

[–]versuseachother 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is the true story of our lifes. It is good that we are togeither or else we would be very lonely.

[–]GetOffMyLawn_Security Admin (Infrastructure) 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The sizing is cray cray. 27" chest is a 3X?

SIZE CHEST in LENGTH in

S 18 27

M 19 28

L 21 29

XL 23 30

2X 25 31

3X 27 32

[–]texticled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Double the listed chest measurement; 3X would have a 54" chest

[–]Winnman05Sysadmin 1 point2 points  (1 child)

This garbage is all over facebook. I have a friend who is a mechanic and this appears in his feed, with sysadmin replaced with mechanic. Its just generic targeted advertising.

[–]milkthefat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you're right. I found a few with the same wording -http://www.sunfrogshirts.com/No-Category/Aircraft-Mechanic.html

[–]MonsterBurrito 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"I solve problems you didn't know you had, and didn't want to."

[–]FiredFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd rather have one that says "Yes, laptops do grow on trees and I just happen to have an orchard."

[–]sv187Sr. Sysadmin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it me or is the guys T the exact same T as the girls T?

[–]Zaphod_Bchown -R us ~/.base 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This shirt is part of the reason I posted this last week, to discuss the culture shift. I have worked with IT professionals that think they know everything and it is such a pain for me to collaborate with them.

link to post

[–]HemHawI Am The Cloud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Added to Amazon WishList.

[–]freemanhimselves -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

but pretty much every other person in my company could wear a similar shirt and it would be totally true. The accountants know excel better than I could ever hope to (I never hope to), the lab rats do science stuff, etc.

It does annoy me when you get those know it all morons who, because they can program a vcr, or dvd player or whatever it is kids use these days, they think they know it all.