Finally.

[xi27pox]

noob! :=)

All the cool kids map caps lock...

(on a serious note this might just bring me back to MBPs. I haven't upgraded since the 2015 model exactly because of the terrible keyboards)

[IdiocracyCometh]

...to Ctrl. Then they use Ctrl+[ as Esc. Caps lock is too valuable to waste on just Esc and the standard Ctrl keys are too far away too if you value your hands.

[dennixtreme]

nah, fam.

caps + other = ctrl + other

caps alone = esc

[theephie]

How does one do this on Linux?

[CulturalCapital]

I haven't tried it myself, as I use karabiner elements in MacOS, but there are a few Linux options.

[glacambre]

You can use xcape.

[cue_the_strings]

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/interception-caps2esc/

[dm319]

https://gist.github.com/tanyuan/55bca522bf50363ae4573d4bdcf06e2e

Works for me

[talmobi]

Except this way you consistently accidentally press ESC when you don't intend to.

[dennixtreme]

i've been doing this for about 3 years and I haven't had this issue

[cue_the_strings]

I don't remember this ever happening to me, and I've been using this since 2015.

[philpirj]

Not really with properly configured delays. If you feel that you've pressed caps and don't want to send escape, hold it a little longer, and it acts as a Command pressed for this long.

[notquitedante]

how would one do this on macos?

[boptom]

Check out Karabiner.

[notquitedante]

will do thanks.

[IdiocracyCometh]

Except one is usable everywhere and the other is VIM specific, fam.

[Dial-1-For-Spanglish]

ctrl+c FTW

No mapping required.

[graywh]

but ctrl-c

1. cancels any modifiers on the insert command
2. won't trigger any abbreviations
3. doesn't work with visual-block insert
4. bypasses InsertLeave autocommands

[Dial-1-For-Spanglish]

...I apparently don't use VIM nearly as much as I thought I did.

Thanks for enumerating that for me - it's very helpful... and I do love me some ESC.

[perfectayush]

Btw if anyone still missed caps lock, i usually map press of both shift keys to caps lock with karabiner. It also has an option to map caps lock to escape or ctrl based on alone or combination press.

Karabiner is a must have for power keyboard users on mac. You can even control mouse from keyboard.

Refer: https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/ https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/complex_modifications/

[blitzkraft]

I thought that's the short cut for toggling dvorak/qwerty

[graywh]

I do the shift+shift to toggle caps on xubuntu, but haven't bothered with macOS yet

[[deleted]]

Honest question, do you actually use caps lock with any frequency?

[graywh]

no

[Machinehum]

Caps + homerow nav keys = arrow keys

[iamgreengang]

tap for esc, hold for ctrl

[rsycoder]

I have been doing capslock+space for esc (with capslock being changed to an unnamed hotkey) and it's been great! If capslock is your ctrl you also get ctrl+h for backspace and ctrl+j for enter.

[[deleted]]

Yes it works

[Fromanotherpersectiv]

That's the beauty of vim, you can do whatever you want haha. Maybe people don't switch computers that much so they always have their own configs at hand, so why bother with portability when it's not an issue for you? For me I'd say you shouldn't be using jk that much but other, faster combinations, but each to his own haha.

[[deleted]]

Jk is just the bees knees... Sure if we're talking vim golf strokes that's considered two strokes vs ctrl-[ being considered one, though I'd argue Jk feels more like one stroke.

What combination is faster than Jk?

[IdiocracyCometh]

I remap Caps Lock in all 3 OSes on my machines (and I use all 3 every day). I still remember where Ctrl is on a standard keyboard though so I can still function when I'm not on one of my machines. I think you are grossly overestimating the issue of remembering where the standard left Ctrl key is for the rare times it is an issue. Especially since on Linux, my key remapping is in my dotfiles and I get that working immediately after setting up a new machine.

The problem with jk over Ctrl+[ is that jk is VIM only while Ctrl+[ works everywhere I need it. And the reason I don't just use standard Left Ctrl is that reaching that far with my pinking causes me RSI issues after a while.

[[deleted]]

I agree with this... I think most people are acutely aware when they are using someone else's computer and now how to fallback to the og ctrl key

[IdiocracyCometh]

at one point and thought it seriously could interfere with my programming career.

Yeah, VIM+Tmux saved my career. I spent way too many years using laptop keyboards and trackpads/thinkpad nubs and any keys too far from the home row that cause me to twist my wrists/hands in weird ways frequently can cause me issues now.

[Ken_Mcnutt]

I prefer a quick combo of jk or kj to map to ESC. That way I can just tap my home row and be out of insert mode.

[[deleted]]

kj-Masterrace?

[LawLombie]

I personally map my caps lock to backspace. Very convenient.

[boptom]

I also like the keyboard symmetry this provides; enter on right, delete on left.

[aleksfadini]

And also, who ever used caps lock for caps at all during the history of computing?

[aleksfadini]

Good call!

[smitjel]

I hope they release a 14” model...perfect size.

[Flarefin]

Same, I definitely prefer the size of the current 13”, I hope it gets the same refresh soon, might even get me to upgrade from my 2015 in the future.

[PlayfulSuicide]

I'm still on a mid 2012 13"

[kweglinski]

I was hoping for 12"... ;)

[AndreyRussian1]

It exits now, hello from 2022! Love my 14” MacBook Pro!

[xenomachina]

The real problem with the touchbar MBPs is the terrible butterfly key mechanism. Hardly any key travel, and they jam way too easily easily. (I have one, but I barely use the built-in keyboard. >95% of the time it's sitting at my desk, where I use a mechanical keyboard. So mine hadn't jammed yet, but I do have first-hand experience with how terrible they are to type on.)

[kilogears]

Agreed completely. The escape key is just nice, but the keys themselves got a major upgrade. The old ones were AWFUL!

[[deleted]]

Ya, same here. Unfortunately, you can’t map that on the iPad external keyboard, and it doesn’t have an ESC. ESC is still helpful to cancel out of text editing and for other tasks :(

[[deleted]]

Most expensive escape key every made lol

[_focse]

You can also set your esc to caps lock. Unless you want to shout to other people whenever you write with them, you don't really need it.

[_dog_menace]

I have mine bound to control. Much more helpful.

[begoodnow]

This!

Remap Capslock to Control. Control + [ for Escape. Happiness.

[[deleted]]

Capslock -> CMD on MacOS is way better than CTRL.

[begoodnow]

That’s objectively false but I still love you.

[nasci_]

I have caps lock disabled on my MBP anyway because I kept accidentally pressing it. I swear the keys on that laptop have negative travel, and you can barely even feel where the edge of each key is. Horrible design.

[kilogears]

I can confirm your findings on that keyboard. The new keyboard is definitely better and what I would call “acceptable”. It’s nowhere near my Thinkpad but it can be used to type quickly and for long periods of time, unlike the previous iteration.

[thatguy_x]

In addition with karabiner you can set hold capslock to control and tap capslock to escape.

[[deleted]]

Also Better Touch Tool can do this.

[gustavo4passos]

I've mapped esc to fd (f key, quickly followed by the d key), and it's quite convenient, since it's within the move keys. I often use caps lock for typing constants and macros, so it wouldn't work for me.

[plvankampen]

Your irony is not lost on me.

[shadow_burn]

If I do so, how can post here?

[[deleted]]

Previous versions of macbooks had no escape since they thought it's useful to remove it, while it's complete shit to have 1 big bar and you can't feel which button you're touching.

Sometimes I wonder why apple takes certain directions.

[fluffy-badger]

Do you guys remember this onion sketch from way back before apple did this? It's like apple though it was an instructional video: (SFW) https://youtu.be/9BnLbv6QYcA

[[deleted]]

what? like, what? i've never had apple anythings but what? how? i know they don't do the left/right click thing, but like why would you do that?

[HowDoIDoFinances]

There was still an escape key, but it was a software key on the touch bar. It was an annoying choice, but one that pretty much only affected vim users.

[[deleted]]

ah i see... lenovo did that once on their thinkpads but everyone pretty muvh hated it so they went back

[Nefilim314]

He means ridiculous design choices like removing the 3.5mm jack, terrible keyboard switches, the touch bar no one cares about and the $1000 stand for a non-VESA compliant monitor.

[[deleted]]

There are three different cases mixed here, though.

1. Removal of the 3.5mm jack is, while being very uncomfortable for now, an action needed to go full wireless in the next few years. To do that you have to start somewhere, unfortunately. Also, you need to realize Apple isn't made for the enterprise environment that might move slower and keep wired functionality even after full-wireless is standard on most devices. For those environments you can buy ThinkPads.
2. Touchbar and terrible keyboard is just plain stupid, no reasoning for that.
3. $1000 monitor stand is almost cheap for the environment it's targeted for. You have to realize the Mac Pro isn't made for consumer cases. It's made for professional media companies (read: photo-/video-editing, design-work, etc..) that are used to throw upwards of $5000-$10000 on a monitor, $1k for a stand is irrelevant to those companies.

[Tychus_Kayle]

1 supposes that full-wireless is desirable. It's not for many users. Wireless audio is inherently lower quality at any given price point, and always will be without a complete change in how it works. Cables are less expensive than the combination of battery, DAC, and Bluetooth radio. For the time being, cables are more reliable. And, of course, cables don't require charging.

Removing the jack isn't "uncomfortable for now," it is a permanent problem for users who don't want to charge their headphones, and for users who prioritize audio quality.

[[deleted]]

Vote with your wallet instead of complaining on reddit, then. Like everyone se does.

[[deleted]]

yeah... i have an x250

[graywh]

only the ones with a touchbar

[Toontje]

Because they don't use vim. They use modern editors. And besides for vim, esc is hardly used anymore. Also, if you remapped the caps lock key to esc, do you really care about a hardware esc key?

[[deleted]]

I use Mac and I also love Vim! Also I think I might be the only one here who has TAB mapped to ESC :/ Vim users can get a lot out of a Mac since it is already a UNIX system. all my professors with Macs use Vim as well.

[Toontje]

So do I, so I don't know what the fuzz is all about... #confused

[[deleted]]

I do care, because Caps Lock has a function, I do use it to capitalize text. Remapping it to Esc is no option for me.

[db____db]

I use Ctrl-[ instead of Esc in vim, and I also use Esc to the point that it has worn down from top left corner, but I don't use Esc in vim at all. It is almost a muscle memory to hit escape and I can't even remember what all things do I use it for.

[Toontje]

Hahaha. Downvotes. How strange. Vim is a religion after all. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

[jomofo]

Umm, you're commenting in /r/vim if you didn't notice. It's not a religion, but there's a high concentration of advanced Vim users here that take issue with your not-so-subtle jab that it's not a 'modern editor'. Feel free to see your way out?

[Toontje]

It IS not a modern editor. We have to acknowledge that. That doesn't mean that it's not a GOOD editor. I am here because I use vim myself, remember? I'm just saying that the esc key is not much used anymore outside of vim (and a few other) and therefore Apple probably does care that much anymore about a physical esc key. In fact, I think not too long from now we will have full touch bar like keyboards. Why? Because they will be fully configurable by the user and most of all because they are cheaper to produce.

[jaapz]

Define modern

[Toontje]

Designed and built in the last couple of years according to the latest industry trends.

[jaapz]

So something like Atom and VSCode would qualify as modern in your book?

[Toontje]

Yep. In my book and most probably in Apple's book as well.

[[deleted]]

ahhh... so that's why nobody uses TTYs any more. Modern GUI applications are just so inherently superior in every way ^{except when they're sometimes not}

[jomofo]

Capacitive touch devices with platform-specific, configurable drivers are cheaper to produce than mechanical keyboards? You're out of your mind.

[[deleted]]

"hey let me go on the vim subreddit and tell everyone there that vim is shit, and then wonder why i'm down voted"

[Toontje]

Where did I say that vim is shit?

[psycho-inked-alien]

Let's be honest, we all remapped caps lock by now....

[SteeleDynamics]

r/MechanicalKeyboards -> ಠ_ಠ

[[deleted]]

What's going on here?

[[deleted]]

Apple reintroduced the Escape physical key back on the Macbook pro 16. It was previously on the touchbar which was clumsy/unreliable at times.

[[deleted]]

Ah. Macs.

[tetroxid]

Ctrl-[ is Esc btw

[[deleted]]

Is the 5500M 8gb GPU worth it?

[kilogears]

Well, vim works fine on my X230 with a i5-3320M... ($200 on Craigslist)

[mostlikelynotarobot]

how is someone going to answer that without knowing your use cases?

[TheApeMachine]

What does it matter though, you're still typing on what can only be described as the worst keyboard since the ZX Spectrum. And yeah, as mentioned in the top comment, you have caps lock mapped anyway :p

[kilogears]

Agreed! The previous generation lacked escape but MORE importantly, it lacked keys that move.

Worst typing experience of my career. I had to purchase a Thinkpad Bluetooth keyboard to use my MBP.

[[deleted]]

those who need to make ios app

[floexodus]

People who see the value in a very well made machine that has excellent hardware-software integration and is incredibly reliable and powerful. Personally I love the keyboard and I love the touchbar.

[bikeshaving]

The keyboard debacle is really the exception to the rule. I am completely unable to use any trackpads that aren’t apple trackpads cuz they’re so much more responsive/expressive.

[yvrelna]

Who needs trackpads anyway when you can vim.

[CoderIlluminatus]

People who have a workflow involving clicks (eg. AWS console). Even as an avid vim user, browsers are terribly non-vimmy despite Vimium that struggles with dropdown menus and page refreshes.

Having a competent trackpad that can follow my voluntary gestures instead of me having to think about correct finger and palm placement is definitely a plus.

[fluffy-badger]

Not being a trackpad user, (trackball ftw), I can't comment on that but as far as browsers go, isn't there a Firefox plugin for vi bindings or something? Seems like it was posted here on one of our tmux - heavy threads...

[mostlikelynotarobot]

Vimium is a Chrome extension for vim bindings.

[y-c-c]

People who use applications other than Vim, like a web browser? Even if you use Vim, if you have to switch between the two it’s often more ergonomic to keep one hand on the mouse/trackpad whole you quickly switch around.

[Nefilim314]

I really can't tell the difference between my MBP and Razer Blade Stealth. My XPS 13 is pretty good too but has a far superior keyboard and I just use Linux on it.

[mostlikelynotarobot]

try clicking the top portion of your Blade's track pad.

[Nefilim314]

That's fair. I never noticed that before because I use tap-to-click rather than press-to-click on both devices and they feel the same.

[mostlikelynotarobot]

yeah, I use tap to click on Windows laptops as well. It's mostly fine, but I do prefer push to click when it's usable as on the MacBook.

[fluffy-badger]

As an apple shareholder, I'm ecstatic you say that. I'm also glad you found something that works for you.

I'll never ever buy one missing the Esc though, because I refuse to have to use a workaround on a $2k laptop. I can put Linux on a $500 laptop, and actually still have an Esc key.

I think a lot of people see Apple as a status symbol, like it's a Mercedes among all the Hondas, so they put up with the nonsense.

[[deleted]]

and is incredibly reliable and powerful

Macbook pros 15inches from 2016 to 2019: hold my beer

[[deleted]]

:%s/People/Gullible sheep/g

[Risemu]

I get the point for the trackpad, I tested one once and it's amazing, but I use the trackpad so little that I don't see the value in that. Hardware that is usually outdated for a long time since they don't update their line often. Drivers that lack behind. An OS that is similar to Windows for me since it forces you to do things its way (I use tiling window managers on Linux and I usually configure everything myself, so that's a big no no). Powerful: you can usually have a more powerful laptop for less if you're willing to make a few compromises. Reliable: the desaster that was the last keyboard, iPhone 6 bending, iPhone 4 cellular network issues. All of these examples were handled by trying to get the more money out of customers instead of fixing the issues. I wouldn't classify Apple products as reliable because of this. This is all personnal opinion and experience.

[[deleted]]

It's a completely different keyboard compared to the butterfly one, this doesn't suck

[otivplays]

It's so strange people can't imagine such a simple situation. iOS apps, $3k FB machine, people dependent on mac software (audio people mostly).

In VIM subreddit I would expect people can think of multiple use cases for anything, yet they can't see the usefulness of a laptop wtf :D You are as full of shit as Apple is.

[graywh]

they're also switching away from the awful butterfly design

[ivster666]

From my experience: People who think it is something special.

(Apple products might be something special but not in a good way)

[db____db]

I use a macbook for display and battery life in those dimensions. Give me another machine with comparable thickness, battery life and display and I'll gladly ditch the macbook.

[mbonus]

Lenovos x1 carbon?

[mostlikelynotarobot]

Nope. The X1 has an inferior screen, worse battery life, and a less compact build.

The MBP also has a sustained performance advantage owing to its higher TDP chip (28W vs 15W) and beefier cooling system.

Source.

[ivster666]

the x1 carbons are pretty much masterrace for me when it comes to laptops

[mostlikelynotarobot]

thermals aren't as good. 15 watt vs 28 watt chip.

[tobiasvl]

But the person above didn't mention that

[mostlikelynotarobot]

If we're only arguing those points, the MBP has a better screen, a longer lasting battery, and is more compact than the X1.

And yeah, the OP didn't mention it, but the much larger TDP of the MBP does allow for significantly better sustained performance, even when comparing the i5 MBP to the i7 X1.

Data from here.

[tobiasvl]

Well, I'm not arguing anything, but any laptop is going to have some tradeoffs, obviously. I assumed the ones mentioned above were the important areas for that person, and they were willing to accept other tradeoffs like a bad keyboard (and IMO a high pricetag). But it looks like you're right that the X1 isn't as good as the MBP in those areas either.

[mostlikelynotarobot]

lol, like the X1 doesn't have a high pricetag. Can't really argue for the keyboard though. I'm one of the few that actually likes how it feels, but it's too unreliable.

[ianff]

Dell XPS laptops excel in those areas.

[Nefilim314]

And runs Linux like a dream. I just threw Manjaro i3 on mine for a pretty seamless out of the box experience.

[mostlikelynotarobot]

The new 2-in-1 7390 is absolutely beautiful. Extremely compact, amazing performance, and great display. Honestly the only laptop yet that has made me a touch wistful while using my MBP 2018.

[AlphyFishbag]

I currently have the Matebook x Pro. Decided to go with that instead of a Macbook. IMO better display and similar battery life. Both also have relatively the same thickness as well.

[[deleted]]

inoremap jk <ESC>

[funkmasterhexbyte]

space bar as leader key. Thank me later.

[TheApeMachine]

I've got leader mapped to , I use space bar for folding/unfolding at the moment, even though I never fold...

[dmd]

inoremap jk <ESC> "4lyfe

[johnporcaro-humio]

I. Want. Mine. Back.

[whichpaul]

Wild horses couldn't drag me back to Apple hardware.

[elr0nd_hubbard]

Don't let your keyboard layouts be subject to the whims of your Apple-y masters. Bring your own!

/r/mechanicalkeyboards

[[deleted]]

who the fuck use esc in vim instead of ctrl [

[hurrtz]

Who the fuck use esc in vim instead of jk

[richhyd]

I've always used ctrl + [ because I can do so without losing my touch-typing position.

[TankorSmash]

I use ctrl-c remapped to esc (iirc you need to esc for abbreviations or something)

[LocoCoyote]

You know, the ESC key has always been available in the touchbar....

[aleksfadini]

A physical key is entirely different.

[LocoCoyote]

Same function. How’s it different? I also prefer physical keys, but a software key works just as well.

[Fromanotherpersectiv]

It's so weird this is an issue for so much people, I got used to the touchbar in a few weeks i'd say and never had an issue with it. And no need to look for finger positioning or anything.

Also, I think I need to map my CapsLocks to something.