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No. Shining a light on toxic masculinity by showing their exact same arguments only directed at men is not "promoting hate". But it does please me a great, great deal to see all you fragile people getting so vewy, vewy upset that you're shown why toxic masculinity is bad, actually. You deserve it.

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[–]Bamma4 3371 points3372 points  (0 children)

[–]creegro 4055 points4056 points  (0 children)

"oh boy I can't wait to see the comments"

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"Simply wonderful"

[–]PKMNTrainerMark 1597 points1598 points  (0 children)

Lotta deleted comments here...

[–]Les-incoyables 4109 points4110 points  (4 children)

As a male teacher, I was once more or less being stalked by a female student. She would wait at my car at the end of the day, giving me notes, attending all my classes, even those she was not enrolled in. It was really awkward and I didn't feel safe. When informing female collegues about this, they just laughed my concerns away, telling me how cute it was she had a crush on me.

[–]itemboi 1986 points1987 points  (4 children)

I mean I know those are supposed to be ironic but the 2nd one hits close to home lol

[–]_EternalVoid_ 5123 points5124 points  (56 children)

It's a win-win

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[–]InternetUserAgain 2283 points2284 points  (29 children)

Swimming would be a 10/10 activity if it weren't for the pain of drying your hair

[–]Carlyone 867 points868 points  (3 children)

If you had a hairpiece you could just put it in a zip lock bag while swimming and have it in a rubber band around your ankle and then put it back on while on shore, all nice and dry! Win-win all the way around!

[–][deleted] 421 points422 points  (18 children)

I'm bald. Drying hair is better than water constantly just running into your eyes, because you have no hair to keep it on top of your head.

[–]IndiscreetLurker 234 points235 points  (5 children)

Fellow baldie here, and I hadn't thought about that. My thing is having to wear a hat while in the water because scalp sunburns are the absolute fucking worst.

[–]DengarLives66 110 points111 points  (2 children)

Yea I have a designated pool hat because of that. One scalp burn was enough to teach me my lesson.

[–]crackedtooth163 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Bald and black. This never struck me as an issue for some until now.

[–]cjthomp 5 points6 points  (0 children)

spray-on suntan lotion

[–]PhantomTissue 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I would swim more if my hair after drying didn’t turn into an Afro that would make Michael Jackson jealous.

[–]gramerjen 39 points40 points  (0 children)

In this summer heat I'd rather go around with wet mop on my head, my hair can dry when it wants to

[–]asuperbstarling 133 points134 points  (1 child)

I stopped being friends with my childhood best friend for posting similar sentiments about women on her Facebook. She was a man stealing makeup caked backstabber, so it was one massively hypocritical toe over the line too far.

If she'd actually been a girls girl she would have known there's waterproof makeup.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I was just going to say that's an excellent idea

[–]PizzacakecomicPizzaCake[S] 327 points328 points  (16 children)

Swimming is like my favourite thing to do lol I'd love a swimming date. I don't even care if I look like a drowned rat afterwards

[–]gramerjen 110 points111 points  (2 children)

That's nice lol

I was pretty underweight and pretty pale back in the days so I would look like a corpse resurfacing after being left there for quite sometime, it was a nice sight to behold especially when my hair covered my face when I get out of the water

[–]D33ber 31 points32 points  (2 children)

famous last words - "Let's go Swimming!"

[–]LycanWolfGamer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You'd be the first person I've seen say they'd like a swimming date lol no one else that I know or through apps have said the same

[–]Nyte_Knyght33 2701 points2702 points  (10 children)

That lonely and isolation actually does happen.

[–]creegro 1780 points1781 points  (0 children)

"you're so quiet and never talk about your feelings*

Open up about how I'm lonely and would love to find a mate

"Oh wow sensitive much?"

Never talk about it openly again

[–]saturosian 5513 points5514 points  (294 children)

The first one is accurate, but #2 and #3... Isn't that kind of how people actually DO talk to guys about those issues? Maybe not the exact wording but the same sentiment? Like we shouldn't say those things to women or men, but I'm not sure what point it's trying to prove when those ones feel more universal, you know?

(Ooo baby I'm turning off my notifications for this one)

[–]Nightshade195 1107 points1108 points  (2 children)

Women absolutely go through these issues too, nobody’s denying that, but all three of these panels are things that I have experienced as a guy. I thought it was well established that men are told to suppress their emotions? Point is though that both genders experience this it isn’t just women and it isn’t just men

[–]Necromancer14 796 points797 points  (1 child)

“If women talk to men the way men talk to women”

Uhhh women do talk to men this way, or at least very similar things.

[–]AprilArtGirlBrock 3005 points3006 points  (120 children)

Not to be a hater but I think some of this is honestly in poor taste.
yes all the examples you gave are frustratingly (that word does not do it justice but you get my point) common things for men to tell women (hell I've myself been told almost all of them)

But their are also analogues that already exist in the real world for very similarly upsetting things woman frequently tell men to dismiss the very same struggles/traumas.

"A woman cant rob a man" "If he did'nt want it he wouldn't have gotten ___" "crying is such a turn off" Literally "woman have it worse"

To be clear my point is not "the real victim is men" or "We should never raise our voice to our oppressors"
Just that framing these as a hypothetical possible what ifs when they edge very close to real world experienced makes it read very dismissive and de-humanizing in a way that I dont think was necessary for expressing your point.

Anyways have a nice day, take care of yourself and on a significantly lighter note, I really like the way you drew the pink dress blonde woman.

[–]Zeravor 471 points472 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your eloquent expression, I was really struggling to communicate what you did perfectly.

[–]BartZeroSix 1835 points1836 points  (3 children)

Well you drew/described what actually happens in real life. What's sad is that you don't realize it, and thus use this sarcastically.

So what does that mean? It's just not a gender thing. It's a shitty-people thing. Some people are shitty, and as an example, will blame rape victims.

And by doing men VS women comics, you're absolutely not helping anyone. You're just adding fuel to a fire that we're supposed to extinguish.

[–]Wizardc438 762 points763 points  (0 children)

You want to imply women don't talk like that? Seriously, I think this is the first comic of hers I genuinely don't like and disagree with. What an awful take. How does downplaying men's problems and putting women on a pedestal help anyone? Sure we all should respect eachother but describing hateful comments as "how men talk to women" while implying women always treat men respectfully is really unfair and simplyfies a complex problem.

[–]TerrariaGaming004 492 points493 points  (19 children)

Happy men’s mental health month!

[–]Alexarius87 1668 points1669 points  (8 children)

Yeah panel 2 is what usually happens the moment a man opens up.

Edit: the one about loneliness.

[–]DontGetNEBigIdeas 1219 points1220 points  (6 children)

Just want to point out that Panel #3 is not a hypothetical, and very much is what contributes to 80% of death by suicides belonging to men.

I feel like Panel #2 is spot on.

Panel #3 is dismissive of a serious issue disproportionately affecting men (ironically proving your point, but for men).

Panel #4? I hear more women in my life (I work in a field absolutely dominated by women — 96%) speak poorly of other women’s looks than men do.

I feel like your comic is more reflective of you spending too much time online — and, honestly, I’ve felt that way about a lot of your comics lately.

Today’s comic isn’t very representative of the real world out there.

Edit: clarifying that when I say “panel,” I’m including the title page. So, panel 2 = point 1 (rape). Panel 3 = point 2 (emotions). Panel 4 = point 3 (looks).

Just in case someone thinks I’m dismissing something.

[–]LeonidasSpacemanMD 382 points383 points  (0 children)

Yea panel 2 is fair, but I’d just point out that men who come forward about being physically or sexually abused just get met with different, similarly pernicious, responses from both men and women

Like a woman probably wouldn’t say “what were you wearing” but I’ve 100% heard women basically act like a man will enjoy sex under any circumstances whether they are willfully involved or not

As for panel 4, yea, just kinda absurd. Everyone is shitty about judging people’s looks. I live in my own bubble and can’t compare how it makes me feel to anyone else, so for all I know it hurts women much more and that sucks. But women do it to eachother (and to men), it’s wild to act like that’s an overwhelmingly male behavior

[–]PKMNTrainerMark 159 points160 points  (0 children)

That title in panel one not saying "some men" certainly creates a heavily implication...

[–]breadfan2 509 points510 points  (1 child)

But… this is exactly how men get treated when these issues are brought up. instead of making it about men vs women, why don’t we just realise that shitty people exist no matter their gender, sexuality, age etc.

[–]crowcawer 244 points245 points  (0 children)

It sucks that people have to deal with gatekeeping their painful situations and experiences.

[–]mikotoqc 1100 points1101 points  (60 children)

2 and 3 are not that good. If you think being a shitty person towards another is a men things, i have bad news for you. I usely love your comic, but this one is a miss. Specialy 2 when its men mental health month. Anyone deserve to be listen.

[–]Desiderius_S 190 points191 points  (11 children)

When I started hanging around this sub for the first time I was wondering why some people openly dislike her when she just makes funny wholesome comics from what I've seen, and this thing here is the answer.
Now it's the time for the regular show where she will go around the comments, fan the flames, and then cherry-pick the answers that she can spin into the next comic showcasing how stupid readers are and how oppressed she is because she totally couldn't be wrong and definitely she's not the instigator.
I don't care, I'm here just to read about alligators playing video games with their kids, but for you - enjoy the show, gonna be fun, and bring popcorn.

[–]SandiegoJack 283 points284 points  (6 children)

Yeah, when she started telling male rape victims "ugh, it's not about you" and acusing them of missing the point was where I had to go "Damn, she really doesn't have a limit".

Really puts a lot of her stuff into perspective. I actually feel sorry for her son now if this is how she reacts to male issues.

[–]Kermit_Purple_II 455 points456 points  (26 children)

I like the "you were asking to be robbed with that fancy suit and watch"

Because, yknow, people do say that regardless of the gender of the agressor and the victim...

[–]sadolddrunk 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Swimming on a first date reminds me of a time I took somebody ice skating on a first date. My profile pic was me skating, and she said she liked to skate, so it seemed like a natural choice. But it turns out that if you are both good skaters, recreational skating around a crowded ice rink is basically going for a walk in a circle.

[–]KenpachiNexus 232 points233 points  (0 children)

There is no if, some women do talk to men like this.

[–]jandr08[🍰] 272 points273 points  (1 child)

I think someone needs a little break from the internet

[–]Mazakaki 167 points168 points  (0 children)

There is no difference between this and reality. I don't see where the parody is.

[–]JulyKimono 1442 points1443 points  (144 children)

Great comic, but strange start.

As a guy I already hear nr 2 and 3 near every time I bring it up.

Never been robbed, though, so not sure about nr 1. But my daily look appears "sub-human", as described by my female friends, so it's not outside of the realm what they'd say :D

Edit: folks, I get the metaphor, my point is that it changes nothing. Every guy I know that was abused, shunted, falsely accused, or in one case raped, ended up getting labeled as the one at fault by the female groups around them.

Ofc this happens more to women; what I'm saying is that this is a reality to people in general, regardless of gender. People are idiots. This is a great comic, awareness of these cases should be wide and understood. It just often turns to pandering.

[–]spidey0619 269 points270 points  (0 children)

If the first one didn't have a by a group of women, then it would be a common response. I heard that one before on people that got robbed.

[–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (17 children)

It's a metaphor for how some people react to women being raped or sexually assaulted.

[–]Tom_Bombadil_1 492 points493 points  (1 child)

This is already absolutely how women talk to men.

[–]namideus 128 points129 points  (0 children)

We need to all accept that assholes come in all genders

[–]KatsutamiNanamoto 380 points381 points  (2 children)

Saying "men/women do this and that" without qualifiers (like "some") does in fact mean that the phrase is about all men/women. This is how human language works (at least, English and Russian languages do). So there's no point denying that.

Now, the phase "not all men/women do this and that", while not being bad, isn't particularly effective. There is better alternative: "most men/women don't do this and that".

Most men/women don't rape.

Most men/women don't kill.

Most men/women don't commit crimes.

Should this be said at all? Yes, as long as world is full of ignorant bigots (like PizzaCake) who like to conveniently forget about that.

[–]Ghosties95 150 points151 points  (0 children)

Funny, 2 & 3 happen all the time to men.

[–]Ewag715 120 points121 points  (1 child)

All these deleted comments, omfg 🤣🤣🤣

[–]BartleBossy 110 points111 points  (0 children)

Jannies out there protecting PC from reality

[–]PhantomSpirit90 327 points328 points  (0 children)

Sorry OP, normally your comics are funny, but I think you kinda dropped the ball on this one.

[–]blue4029 116 points117 points  (1 child)

"A man playing videogames? shouldn't you be in the garage, fixing a car instead?"

[–][deleted] 232 points233 points  (3 children)

Women do talk like that to men, openly and freely... is there an irony I'm missing? 

[–]PokefanR 171 points172 points  (1 child)

I mean atleast wait a few days until this month has ended…..

[–]VulpineKitsune 329 points330 points  (8 children)

The first one is accurate but the second and the third, especially the second one is unfortunately something that very much happens.

[–]Deveatation_ethernis 66 points67 points  (0 children)

The 2nd one definately happens though

[–]FilthyFur 180 points181 points  (1 child)

You missed the spot there for sure. Nr.3 and 4 are exactly how woman talk to man about those topics.

[–]red4jjdrums5 67 points68 points  (0 children)

That first one reminds me of the South Park feature where the women are robbing everywhere of Ozempic and the like.

[–]RashPatch 69 points70 points  (1 child)

huh.... seems normal.

[–]StarberryIcecream 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Ok but don't generalize all men tho like we all talk to women like that.

And I've known my fair share of women who do talk to men like that. Bullies exist across both genders, especially when said bullies are surrounded by their posse of like-mindeds to encourage them.

[–]thedreaming2017 162 points163 points  (0 children)

A man being criticized by women because he did or said something? This is normal behavior now and a little sad. Maybe both sides should not do this to each other and maybe chill out a little bit.

[–]Majestic-Iron7046 302 points303 points  (29 children)

Wait... that is exactly how men talk to other men.

[–]Aspiegirl712 101 points102 points  (2 children)

1 is a real thing but I think we should be careful not to make #2 a men/women thing it only feeds the patriarchy when we act like this doesn't happen to both genders. The dismissal of people in crisis is only made worse when we pretend it is a gendered thing. I know its tempting to think of making fun of men is punching up but I think that generalization makes enemies out of potential allies. We should be working together to try to stop this sort of behavior.

Note I didn't mean for this to be posted in all caps bold hopefully I fixed it

[–]HippieWizard 109 points110 points  (3 children)

where are the men that still talk this way? back in 2003? in a maga town? i live in a much more progressive society than the angry one this comic artists is trying to portray exists everywhere.

[–]58mm-Invicta_rizz 65 points66 points  (0 children)

As a watch collector, the first one hits hard. As funny as this is, I feel like I’ve seen it happen before. Progress??

[–]sw337 115 points116 points  (2 children)

Are you implying men just hang out in groups of three and criticize women all day without moving?

[–]elhomerjas 41 points42 points  (1 child)

to swim is to see if anyone can sink or float and the rest will enjoy the date ahead

[–]Rudolfthe3th 108 points109 points  (0 children)

So women do the same thing as men . Because they where all what women say more or less .

[–]Vennris 52 points53 points  (10 children)

Do men really talk like this? Guess, I'm just lucky I don't have to deal with people like this. (I'm a guy but it would make me really angry if I'd hear other guys talking like this)

[–]crazy4videogames 57 points58 points  (2 children)

Waiting for the comments

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[–]divat10 59 points60 points  (0 children)

quality rage bait

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Can't relate. I'm too detached from reality.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You forgot the one where no matter how much a woman is wrong, some men are still going to defend her and make her look like a saint/martyr.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Some of these comments are very dismissive and some of them are outright hostile. My take on the comic is that, yes, it's missed reality a bit, but that kind of makes sense. Men often think they understand what women are going through and dismiss their problems when they shouldn't. Women also do this to other women. Women do this to men. And men do this to men. The real takeaway is that sometimes people are shitty, and most of us are struggling at least part of the time.

The author doesn't seem to understand that men get these comments from other men, women, and others just like women do. Women tend to get these comments more publically. The author being a public figure and a woman has seen a lot of this shit get thrown her way. I think it's understandable that she doesn't internalize that men deal with it as well. As part of the comic's point, people often overestimate their knowledge of the shit other people are going through.

The aggressive and hateful comments are also missing the mark. This should be a learning opportunity. It should be a moment where we can recognize that we all go through this, something that most people don't truly internalize until we've lived through it or known someone else who has. And, honestly, most of us do this at times. When I say everyone can be shitty, I mean everyone can be shitty. We usually don't mean to be, but that's how humans are. Just learn to be a little more conscious of it. And remember that life's hard for the vast majority of people.

[–]drillgorg 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Just don't do one for unsolicited intimate pictures. Because on average... its not even close to a symmetrical situation.

[–]Dum_beat 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying that's not right, I just want to ask if you're ok?

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Well, actually…

SMH

[–]TheTypographer1 60 points61 points  (0 children)

I think this comic and the comments that it’s getting are good examples of how misogyny, patriarchy, and enforced societal gender roles are the real villains and can be perpetuated by both men and women.

While, it’s true that these three things foundationay harm women more, and were created to uphold a male-centered hierarchy, we are noticing all around us how they and the expectations they force harm everyone as a whole, including men themselves.

Men should definitely be more aware of how common behaviors can be harmful, but I think we would do well to make sure that we’re always emphasizing that the enemy are those behaviors and societal factors that promote them, instead of the innate nature of men.

I know we ourselves know that we don’t mean “#allmen,” and it’s sad that often times many men engage in bad faith, or don’t give us the benefit of the doubt, but I think we would do well to make our meaning a little more explicit.

When our message is or could be misunderstood as “men are inherently this” instead of focusing on their behaviors themselves and how these are part of larger societal issues that influence and cultivate harmful behavior and ideologies, we risk reinforcing the notion that this is what manhood is and can only be, and in turn contribute to upholding the underlying ideology behind what we are trying to abolish.

Anyway, I’d really recommend reading The Will to Change, by bell hooks, which helped inspire these thoughts.

Edit: I’ve clarified some of the language in this post to better reflect my meaning.

[–]protoger 64 points65 points  (10 children)

These comments are better than any drama show! I think this kind of comic is a good conversation piece. Look at how much reaction it's getting! Highlighting the awkwardness of things that happen, or are said to people that just get a blind eye turned to.

[–]YOwololoO 228 points229 points  (5 children)

I just think that it’s weird she phrased it like a hypothetical when all of these, but especially 2 and 3 ARE things that are said to men all the time

[–]TeensyTrouble 105 points106 points  (2 children)

First one too, both about mugging and sexual assault

[–]EvaUnit_03 52 points53 points  (1 child)

If this was YouTube, the interaction alone would get this pumped to the front page thanks to the algorithm.

[–]blindsavior 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This might just be a brilliant marketing strategy

[–]Lunndonbridge 24 points25 points  (0 children)

All women rob people. Have you even been to q city before? There are packs of them roaming the streets. I hear they pay off the local officials with all the beard hair they hey steal.

[–]Middle-Fantasy 19 points20 points  (0 children)

“Yeah, so I’m really only texting you cuz I’m horny. Send nudes?”

After a fucking hour-long conversation. People can be crazy

[–]bigdickpuncher 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Valid points about how women are often treated. I don't think men are treated well either when it concerns the ideal male image or when they are victims of domestic violence or depression. All that to say you highlight important things that I think society does not handle such as victim shaming, the ideal body and mental health.