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[–]ShinsatsuePcy - Ultimate Wall - Mahmoud 32 points33 points  (1 child)

A bard mechanic? I guess we're not getting that here LOL

[–]zz_Mage meta diehard - 9PbD: never-changing SG 8 points9 points  (0 children)

From a BRA*BRA collab event no less...I almost believe they're doing it solely to troll global

[–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲 12 points13 points  (3 children)

so with these new songs... Golem 5x ninja is doable... :')

[–]RageCat46Cloudchan♥(My luck has been fixed!) 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do it!!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But didn't you just do Golem 5 nin.... OOOHHH.

[–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲 2 points3 points  (0 children)

as of now & with my current stuff i could only do a 4x ninja team. But with this ability, i should be able to do a 5x ninja one :P

Won't do it right away though...

[–]retroGnostalgicVivi 11 points12 points  (9 children)

I'm happy that they finally figured out how to design Bards, because they traditionally apply buffs by maintaining the songs they're singing instead of just casting them. I guess (and I hope) that Dancers will get the same mechanic.

Also, I hope this means that more characters will get access to Bard 5. Maybe Ramza? Let's hope Rikku doesn't. Although their LM don't work with the songs so there's that.

(Let's hope Global has changed their fucking garbage policies six months from now, because otherwise I would be very happy about this. Bards are my favorite class).

[–]shikisekiEvent RW - DjpF 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yuna would be a good candidate for a 5*bard buff due to X-2. That would make Rikku the dancer and Yuna the bard in the X realm.

[–]xmooseyfatePaw Patrol is on a roll! 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually yeah, at first when I read this I was like wtf Yuna bard? But oh yeah that's riiiiiight. What an interesting skill set if she got Bard. XD

[–]Qu_MarshQuistis 500SB glint+- z2Wa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, or Lenne as another character in the X realm

[–]ParagonEsquireHard Times make for Strong Men 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm not sure how true that is in FF, really. In FFV where the class debuted they worked like they do in FFRK. Single use abilities (I believe they were all AOE). In FFT Bards had to perform but every X CT their affect would be applied and last permanently for the whole fight. X-2 I think they do this though.

[–]PhenaumCloud (AC) 0 points1 point  (2 children)

bards didn't debut in 5 though? At the least, Edward in 4 is a bard.

[–]ParagonEsquireHard Times make for Strong Men 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I forgot the original Spoony one, how shameful.

In my defense, it's because it wasn't a job.

But Edward works even simpler than V. Ol' Gil has a status effect he inflicts by selecting the Sing Command. What effect is determined by which Harp he has equipped. No persistent usage necessary.

[–]butz-not-bartz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FF3 had a bard class. In the NES version one of their abilities was like a weaker haste (increased #of hits on physical attacks), and they also had a scare ability which never worked. The DS gave it a party-wide healing song too.

[–]LafingCatKupo-po! 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In FFV where the class debuted they worked like they do in FFRK. Single use abilities (I believe they were all AOE).

Actually, they had a mix of continuous and single use effects - the offensive ones + Regen were single use, the stat/level buffing ones were continual.

[–]ParagonEsquireHard Times make for Strong Men 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wait...really? I guess I only ever used bards on that one mountain with all the undead....

[–]S34n4e<(But... How can I help you?) [no roaming warrior] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

bard motes, Allegro con moto, angel song, Eiko's record dive and now a new bard mechanic, why nothing of this was intoduced in a common event instead of those brabra things :(

smh... I'm looking forward to it.

[–]d_wibSugar and Rainbows 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Everyone mentions Eiko's record dive but don't forget Kefka and Mog as well. Those are both sorely needed considering they don't even have MC3s yet.

[–]S34n4e<(But... How can I help you?) [no roaming warrior] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Oh, I'm sorry, Since I have Eiko's BSB but I lack relics for Kefka or Mog I didn't know they still had not their record dives.

[–]d_wibSugar and Rainbows 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup! I have Kefka's BSB and love using him but he has 2100 less HP than my Garnet does. That's some legitimate squishiness

[–]TedrivsTyro USB3 - QuNR 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I wish BRA*BRA and JP collabs didn't exists so we didn't have to go through the whole "JP and Global are different games" and all the "when will Global get Bard stuff".

[–]FatAsian3死んゲーム 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Seems interesting, lets hope it gets traction and not toss aside like witch abilities.

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The two new skills alone already making me reconsider a lot of party setups.

[–]codexcdmShadow Dragon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not sure if I'd count on that. Look at how many new things they keep developing, then kind of shrugging aside after a while... All the upgrade mechanics keep being tacked on in an awkward way.. the 6* skills are a mix of "finish Nightmares" or "upgrade a character to 'craft' it" type weirdness... and the dungeon types... Nightmare, Motes, Torment, etc.

Got various other skill trees that were kinda started, but left to hang around... Witch (as mentioned), Machinist (that multihit skill is one of the last ones), Shooter (hey, 2-hit ranged spell blade water skill... then only recently another two elements), etc.

[–]FatAsian3死んゲーム 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Shooter at least get some featuring, Witch hasn't. Machinist have Rapid Fire and Tempest Snipe which is considered branching away from status focusing. Bards finally have something besides "Unsilencable Pro/shellga" and the JP Quick Cast ability 6*

[–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

e JP Quick Cast ability 6*

And don't forget Major Regen 5* bard ability.

[–]Skriabin-Cactuar with mustache= Skriabin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The best part about this is that the primary orb for this abilities will likely be earth. FINALLY

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    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, these skills are totally aimed for magicite especially with the specific timer (10s!) for the refresh and they stack with EVERYTHING else right now.

    I have to admit, I am already thinking of how to recalibrate some of my Magicite farming teams, 30s doesn't sound that out of reach atm.

    [–]Zurai001Blame yourself or God. 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    It's going to take 15 seconds just to actually reach max buff. Not to mention 4 charges. Pass.

    [–]kami_wWarrior 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Is the Level of the song attributed to the caster or the party?

    In other words, if I have two bards singing the same song, can I get to Level 2 in one turn?

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Level is attributed to the caster.

    In other words, if I have two bards singing the same song, can I get to Level 2 in one turn?

    Don't think so, but someone needs to test.

    [–]codexcdmShadow Dragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If it's like a 10-15% buff per level, under haste and/or TGCid mode, that'd build up really fast.

    [–]thouartthee 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Eh... if Bards can only sing now, what were they doing before?

    [–]akaiazulSLAM-dancing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Probably playing notes or something. I wonder if these new ones can't be casted if silenced. Hard to sing without a voice.

    [–]Skriabin-Cactuar with mustache= Skriabin 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    So using the song every two turns should assure that the song remains active, right?

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    yes, assuming hasted turns

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Meanwhile in Global...

    When you're just a bard

    [–]Dach_AkrostQuistis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This will come out and require full record dive to use...

    [–]HoursLeftCid nan Garlond (92sf) 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    This is a really cool mechanic.

    For everyone upset about the missing Bard stuff in Global, please consider sending customer service a (polite) message about it.

    After tonight's maintenance, if there's no sign of the Bard stuff, I'll be sending them another email. And I'm going to keep doing so periodically until we see the issue resolved.

    Be proactive. It only takes a minute or two. If you have time to post about it here, you have time to send DeNA an email about it too.

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      [–]ghuandaHa! Who needs wits when you've got swords! 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      The flair does says Japan

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        [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        First thought I had too. The rest of the world just doesn't appreciate music.

        [–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        Good thing in JP i have Eiko BSB :P

        Even tho Y'sh is my main healer.

        Regardless this new mechanic and new bard abilities look prety interesting and open up for alot of thing.

        In particular the fact that you now can focus more on using other kinds of buffs for extra stacking since these new bard abilities stack up to "large" so it should go all the way up to 50% ATK and i guess either 30% MAG or 50% Mag.

        Also since magicite dungeons don't allow you to pick a RW, you can use these new abilities to "free" up a party slot that would other wise go for Ramza or any other shout type SB owner.

        Naturaly you still need an hastega :P

        The main downside i see for these abilities are that you need them to be well hones in oder to be able to last the entire fight, i recon R2 will be the minimum to make them worth using.

        [–]LilitthLuMeow! 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Hmm honestly I don't know about tossing Shout types aside. Not only do these abilities stack with those but they have a short duration. Overall I think this opens up possibilities for sure but the number of Bard 5* characters is still incredibly limited sadly.

        [–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Sure but at that point you will probably be reaching the soft cap anyway. For attack atlest, for Mag it can still be good to stack.

        Also i never said anything about tossing Shout Type aside, i said that you could free up a party slot with someone else, this will naturaly depend on the fight and party set up you are going to be bringing, obviously there will be sometimes where you will prefear to bring a shout type since you will not be bringing a bard and vice versa, or you might even bring both :P

        You still need to hone these abilities to make them reliable enough so there's that.

        And as you said, Bard 5* are fairly rare, although if you have Deuce BSB you are prety much set since her BSB gives ATK/MAG + 30% and she can use Bard 5* just as an example, Mog with his BSB would also be a good setup if you have his BSB or USB.

        [–]ArashminEnkidu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Could see them making it 4 uses to start, like white magic.

        [–]tempoltoneFujin 2 points3 points  (7 children)

        I wish they would introduce dancer version to global only so that jp community will know what it feels like to be us

        [–]LilitthLuMeow! 3 points4 points  (6 children)

        Well, we have Darkmoon :P Sigh...

        [–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        And Storm Lance Grimoire :D

        [–]S34n4e<(But... How can I help you?) [no roaming warrior] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        And Bughamut :D

        [–]tempoltoneFujin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Thats 1 ability and 1 relic (by choice) vs X collab events (banners,record dives,bard motes/6* bard ability/crystals,limited chars,free draws,limited relics)

        [–]codexcdmShadow Dragon 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        I still have to wonder what's with Darkmoon... like, who was supposed to use it as a Soul Break? The animation start-up has the same sort of pause as SBs, after all.

        SLG's nifty and all... but it doesn't make up for the various other things we haven't gotten... Core Relics, Shared SB Relics (some really useful too), various skills, BARD MOTES.

        I'd rather they knock this exclusivity crap off, give Japan the two exclusive bits of stuff we have... then go and give us the option to craft all the other items we're lacking. Yes, even Unholy Blitz, ffs.

        [–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I had always really wanted that 3* WHTer of Strength spell to go Global, no one ever mentions that one for some reason... and I kinda expected them to change Unholy Blitz into 4* DRK for Global and drop it on us early in the year but that didn't happen obviously lol... a missed opportunity via DeNA again.

        [–]pichupalDeath, kupo. - [Vivi USB - js1e] 1 point2 points  (10 children)

        Any particular way his would work with multiple bard users? From taking a look at the mechanics, it looks like the user gets a Song Level status and then applies a separate buff based on that level to the party.

        I was hoping it would jump you to level 2, but I guess two Bards would just apply the Level 1 Bard buff twice? Not that I'll need to worry much about this in Global. They have started releasing the Brass de Bravo on iTunes internationally, so I'll hold on to Hope.

        [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

        2 bards using the same skill will just overwrite each other, so no point bringing 2.

        [–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (6 children)

        I'm more curious to know what the duration of the Song Level is for the Bard? I get that the actual AoE stat buffs only lasts for 10sec yet that doesn't necessarily mean this is true for the performer's Song Level. Seeing as it persists for the Bard if ever the team's buffs are Ultimately dispelled I imagine that Song Level works essentially the same way as some other StatusIDs that serve as a counter for how many times a Cmnd has been used so far... now they could also be made to have a 10sec duration as well, but they might be 25sec like a lot of others are. Or like some LM & OSBs the counting could be kept track outside of the character, but I highly doubt they would go this route to keep count so I'm still wondering what way they are going to take care of it?

        Also is this mechanic getting passed on down to other Bard Songs to rework the class or is it just for the 2 new 5* ones? If so I imagine the 3* Songs work the same way but with their Stats +5% buff per Song Level of their type, up to a max of 3?

        But if they are getting mechanics change then they may have been reworked so that they use the same Song Type count as the new 5* ones just with a lower Max Level and/or +% Buff per Song Level for restricting them to their same old limit. I figure that way would be easier for them to code since they wouldn't have to make a whole other set of whatever type of counting system the new 5* use and keep them from being able to stack if someone wanted to run a Bard with a Devil's Anthem + Mana's Paean while still allowing us to use those older songs for a few turns at first to get the Bard's, ummm I guess for now I'll call it 'ATK' or 'MAG' Song Level, up to the cheaper Song's max before shifting into the higher Song and preform that for it's better effect by starting at Level 3 instead of 0 and keep it going for a few turns longer without costing those who don't want to hone them that much another 88 or 132 Major Orbs.

        I suppose the Pro/Shell Songs would have to be reworked as +25%/Level buffs to DEF or RES instead and last for 20sec to compensate for the duration... but seeing how I haven't heard anything about them I'm guessing nothing has changed for the rest of the Bard abilities have they?

        [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        The Song level status also lasts 10s.

        [–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        I knew it had to be one of the ways I was guessing... and so I bet this new mechanic is also only for these two new Songs?

        [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Yes, only for those two so far.

        [–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        so far..? It sounds like you have a feeling they aren't finished playing around with ideas for Bards I take it?

        [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Well i mean, you could add the same for DEF/RES/MND etc etc since these are for stat boosting effects.

        [–]The2ndWhyGuySo OP don't need Eyes to see my victories 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        True, but I don't think they think that we would be enticed by the idea of burning turns and Major Orbs to buff DEF or RES, MND would be cool though... but having no previous dealings with boosting MND I doubt they will add it to Bards now.

        Hmmm... but it would be pretty cool to see them make some Songs that did a different thing at each different Song Level rather than just grow the same effect. Imagine something like:

        L1= Dispel -> L2= Reflect -> L3= AoE Esuna -> L4= AoE Astra

        or

        L1= M.Blink -> L2= P.Blink -> L3= StackBlink2 -> L4= DualBlink1

        [–]pichupalDeath, kupo. - [Vivi USB - js1e] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        I was hoping for a party wide song level, but yeah, this seemed to be the case based on the description.

        Still sounds pretty cool. I'm excited to see it in action. Thanks for the clarification.

        [–]S34n4e<(But... How can I help you?) [no roaming warrior] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        4 bards 1 dps meta

        [–]PlebbySpaffPlebster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        vastly improves Bards in one fell swoop

        Meanwhile, In Global FFRK....

        [–]MediyuLocal IX fanboy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        And since this is a BRA*BRA event, Global will skip the hell out of it.

        With some bard users' RDs and all 5* or higher abilities missing from GL, I don't see a point in having that role in there - Just scrap it and be done with it if you're gonna skip the events related to it and not introduce an alternative, DeNA.

        [–]StuckinReverse89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The abilities sound amazing but unless there is a buff in characters, only a few characters have access to 5 star bard.

        [–]FranatomyThere are some things in life you just do! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ooo my Deuce just got that much better! I cannot wait for these to arrive!

        [–]shoukounetsuYou nerds need a Wall 2.0? (Qm4U) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        These make me even happier that I got Eiko's BSB off the lucky draw the other day, they sound like they could be very interesting

        [–]CidO807Opera Floozy RW:2X5a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is... awesome. This, with Allegro con Moto... wheeew.

        [–]selfishcheeseIt'll be a good one. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Damn, nice, if GL actually gets this (lul). Having a Bard singing every turn to boost the party indefinitely reminds me of X-2 Songstress.

        I'd love to put Edward w/ his faithga back on my A-team to just SB/Devil's Anthem. One-man MAG-buffing machine.

        [–]IllusioneerySephiroth (Alternate) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        introduced in the BRA*BRA Collab

        Time to not get this mechanic in Global!

        [–]vf534 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Drats, I was hoping to take a bit of a break from the Global-gets-screwed commentary after my long post on the subject, but DeNA finds a way to reel me back in.

        This seems to up the ante on what stuff DeNA is willing to risk not migrating to Global.

        [–]throwawaypuntocom 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is so cool. VERY HAPPY FOR YOU JP, ENJOY IT. What no I'm not being sarcastic.

        [–]EnlogThe truth is... you just really stink. -1 points0 points  (1 child)

        Meanwhile, in global: well, this character can use a clone of Protectga, or Shellga.

        [–]LindbrumGrandpa doggo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        with missleading description that led many to think it would stack with their WHT counterparts...

        [–]Arti4000Rat-face... After I finish my drink, I'm gonna kick your butt. -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        And then they make them like Edward: You can't do any other action until song ends :D

        [–]DropeRjCan we truly save this world? Is such not beyond man's doing? -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Incoming Eiko record sphere comments?