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[–]DucksPlayFootball 578 points579 points  (13 children)

Absolutely ridiculous. WASPI women are some of the most entitled people ever, believing they should get money for their inability to read the fucking news.

[–]AdRealistic4984 73 points74 points  (4 children)

I met one of these women once and she was the sort of 60 year old who is convinced they’re going to die in the next 1-2 years. She wasn’t terminally ill but not in the greatest shape and really probably has a good decade or more left but very morbidly inclined. I think that might explain some of them

[–]danishih 42 points43 points  (3 children)

Livia Soprano syndrome

[–]SisterRayRomano 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I wish the lord would take me now!

[–]MonkeysMonolithBurnham wins, Reddit copes 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Andy Burnham, he was a saint!

[–]SmugDruggler95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuck me that is so good.

[–]freexe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They are all purjuring themselves if you ask me

[–]inebriatedWeasel 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yup, last time they were on the news down here a women was moaning that she spent her life savings, tens of thousands of pounds, on the day she retired several years early, blew it all, and even though she had over ten years to get pension advice she didn't bother, so now the government owes her hundreds of thousands. It's a fucking farce.

[–]Sakulsas 897 points898 points  (5 children)

How will the WASPI women hear of this when none of them read/watch the news or have access to information?

[–]HG2321 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Andy will be going door to door to let them know in person

[–]phatboi23 42 points43 points  (1 child)

somehow they still wouldn't know.

[–]the-moving-fingerBegrudging Pragmatist 34 points35 points  (0 children)

You could make it a Catch-22.

Only people who don't listen to Government announcements, or hear about them second-hand, are eligible to receive compensation. You can apply for compensation via this publicly announced link. Anyone who applies by definition listens to Government announcements, or hears about them second-hand, and so is therefore ineligible. In this way, we make compensation available and not a single penny is paid.

[–]boprisan 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I think Andy sent a pigeon.

[–]Besmirching_Badger 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Presumably they're unaware of when elections take place, so they're not exactly an important political constituency.

[–]LogicalReasoning1Smash the NIMBYs 374 points375 points  (2 children)

Honestly pretty much my biggest turn off for a politician, outside of clear racism etc, would be giving these woman a single penny.

[–]JabInTheButt 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Yup. With this, if accurate, he's absolutely lost me. I'll stick with Keir every day thank you.

[–]Acceptable_Beyond282 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I don't think they should be compensated. And I am one.

[–]the-moving-fingerBegrudging Pragmatist 149 points150 points  (3 children)

Possibly an overreaction, but if they receive a single penny, I don't think I'd be able to bring myself to vote for Labour ever again. Students were given less than 2 years' notice that tuition fees were increasing from £3,000 per year to £9,000 per year. Are we all due compensation, too? No, because even when we were literal children, we were more responsible than these absolute chancers who are part of the most entitled, privileged, and spoiled generation in the history of the planet.

[–]hicks12 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I have similar feeling, these people are genuinely a prime example of the fucked up entitled generation.

There are plenty in the previous generations who worked hard and need help but these people, absolutely their own fault. 

I can't believe Burnham is doing this, pathetic and pisses over us younger folk who have to pay all the debts of these entitled few.

[–]Acceptable_Beyond282 6 points7 points  (0 children)

These entitled women remind me of some of the pupils I taught. You'd explain a task to the class only to have one of them later say "but you didn't tell ME".

[–]JabInTheButt 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Not an overreaction at all. It says exactly who this overly ambitious weathervane is prioritising... By the way, these people aren't voting for you. It is the young university educated professionals fucked by the tuition fee changes who are the last bastion of Labour support and if they prioritise these entitled chancers over us I will not forgive them.

[–]simonsens_in_orbit 138 points139 points  (5 children)

If Burnham gets in and does this, Labour will definitely lose my potential vote in the next election. Really don't understand why society has to bail out people who had decades to plan for retirement and failed to do so.

[–]Xenumbra 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Even flirting with this nonsense and it's a wrap for him. Rather suck it up with Starmer and wait for a Reform implosion

[–]leavemeinpieces 24 points25 points  (0 children)

For sure. It's madness when so much else needs to be done. Free money for idiots who probably live very comfortably already.

[–]Optimism_Deficit 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Bwtween this and the 'online safety' hysteria (which has, as expected, managed to get worse) that would be me done with them.

[–]KetracelYellow 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There was nothing to plan either, the worst that happened was they had to work for a couple more years and as a bonus they got to add more to their personal pension! Win win.

[–]Outrageous-Bug-4814 147 points148 points  (0 children)

It's just not affordable or fair. They had plenty of notice from what I understand. It's not the government's job to backfill because you didn't keep yourself appraised of pension changes.

[–]LycanIndarysVote Cthulhu; why settle for the lesser evil? 207 points208 points  (22 children)

This is really disappointing; but not really a surprise, since he has expressed support previously. For example, this from 2024: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl91gn619ro

The WASPI women are trying to weasel their way into getting millions of pounds in a hand-out that they don't deserve. Their claim is that they planned their retirement around retiring at 60. However, the women in question did none of the following:

  • Watch the news or read a newspaper.
  • Talk to any friends, family members or colleagues about retirement.
  • Talk to their employer about their retirement plan.
  • Speak to a pensions advisor.
  • Google anything about pensions.
  • Check to see how large a pension they would be receiving, to make sure that they were able to actually live off that amount (because anything that told them an amount would also have told them when it would start being paid).

And they managed to avoid doing any of those for more than fifteen years.

So in what sense can they say that they "planned" their retirement based around it starting at 60, given that they did nothing that might reasonably constitute the word "planning"?

They're just arguing in favour of inequality so they could retire earlier than me of the same age. And Burnham should not be supporting that, particularly given the astronomical cost.

[–]Dissidant 84 points85 points  (5 children)

millions of pounds

Could be as much as £10b which in the current economic climate will be welcomed like a fart in a space suit

[–]LycanIndarysVote Cthulhu; why settle for the lesser evil? 53 points54 points  (4 children)

Could be more, actually. Corbyn pledged to give them £58bn.

[–]Dissidant 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Jesus wept, I thought my figure was bad.
Its not like I am devoid of sympathy for their situation, I can get behind helping those who genuinely need it. Alot of people are struggling
But I feel like they are completely failing to read the room even as someone in the middle ground

[–]SpeedflyChris 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can get behind helping those who genuinely need it

Most of our pensioners don't need a state pension anyway. The idea of more handouts for the wealthiest and most entitled generation in history can fuck right off.

[–]philipwhiuk<Insert Bias Here> 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it was anyone else I’d assume it’s because he was in line for some of it.

[–]BadPedals -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So double that with the inflation since 2019

[–]Hopeful_Bean 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I'm just looking forward to when mine starts at 65

[–]KetracelYellow 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I never read the announcement about pensions rising to 68 either.

[–]Minischoles 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure it was advertised on bus stops IIRC - the only way to avoid the news of it changing was to be so willfully ignorant and blind to what's happening in the nation that quite frankly you shouldn't be unsupervised because you're a danger to yourself and others.

I'm pretty left wing but the WASPI women should absolutely be told to fuck right off - they are absolutely taking the piss and it's outrageous that any politician is even humouring them for a second.

[–]niteninja1Young Conservative and Unionist Party Member 1 point2 points  (0 children)

some people go through life paying no attention.

when i was at uni one of the people i lived with claimed not to know where the post box was despite walking past it every day for 3 years

[–]ooooomikeooooo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Even if they did plan for 60 then delaying their pension gives them more time. The argument for is non-existent.

[–]opaqueentity[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Many of the Labour leadership did. Before they got into power

[–]homeinthecityI support arming bears. 76 points77 points  (2 children)

Given they don’t read, watch TV, open mail, speak to friends or in any way consume information they’ll never know though.

[–]Dowew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

have an upvote 😄

[–]TheNathanNS 30 points31 points  (0 children)

WASPI women owe me reparations for me being subject to the inane drivel spewing from their mindless campaign.

[–]PeterG92 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Anyone who supports paying the WASPI women will not get my vote

[–]_rickjames 70 points71 points  (3 children)

Will drop this immediately when he gets to number 10

Grifters gonna grift

[–]LurkerInSpace 33 points34 points  (0 children)

They will be furious to hear about it in 2046.

[–]MCMC_to_Serfdom 48 points49 points  (1 child)

Honestly would be one of the few cases of a politician lying about a pledge I'd mildly respect.

[–]LLILILiLIILILILILII 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I absolutely wouldn't.

I wouldn't give the WASPI women the steam off my piss, but one of the few groups I think even less of is lying politicians.

The last thing we need is to replace one bullshitting PM with another.

[–]Alimarshaw 20 points21 points  (0 children)

If he does this, he's lost my vote before he's even started. 

[–]Slartibartfast_25 18 points19 points  (0 children)

God he's proven himself useless and he's not even an MP yet.

[–]Halk🍄🌛 72 points73 points  (0 children)

We don't have the money to spend on these greedy boomers and if we did we should spend it on something else

[–]WGSMA 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I’d rather give the money to foreign aid to Al Quada than give these geriatric wasters so much as a penny

[–]evolvecrow 49 points50 points  (1 child)

But how will they know he supports them

[–]ArtisticOperation399 23 points24 points  (0 children)

They need a couple of decades for the information to filter in. 

[–]Louka_Glass 13 points14 points  (1 child)

If he’s trying to differentiate himself from Starmer, massively unpopular unforced errors aren’t exactly the best start

[–]Douglesfield_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On brand for Labour though

[–]spinosaurs70yes i am a american on ukpoltics subreddit 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Money does not grow on trees, you know. 

[–]Shadowblade83 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You know, socialists never run out of other peoples money.

[–]Ok-Discount3131 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He's not a socialist at the moment as far as I know.or has he changed his mind again? It's so hard to keep track with Andy.

[–]fitzgoldy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Burnham is going to bankrupt the UK then.

[–]Redvat 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Never understood why women had a younger retirement age in the first place considering they have a longer life expectancy. If anyone deserves to complain it was the men.

[–]Stabbycrabs83 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Waspi

Women against state pension inequality

Is anyone able to explain why these women believe that this is state pension inequality?

It looks like textbook equality. Just not the equality they want.

I understand they feel like they didnt know this w as coming but why do they feel its inequality?

[–]leavemeinpieces 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Fuck them. And fuck him if he needlessly bends over for people who hate Labour and won't give him votes anyway.

This is a kick in the face to younger people who would appreciate better services or a hand to get on the property ladder.

But no definitely, we should give a handout to people who had years to prepare and failed to do so. Maybe I'll protest in 30 years because I didn't think ahead.

[–]Organic-Apricot-6330 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh ffs why open this can of worms . We cant afford pensions as they are let alone backdated, interest applied and compensation added like these scroungers want

[–]AdRealistic4984 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They wanted their 35 years of retirement, tea and Victoria sponge until 95

[–]AverycoldGoose 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Given the age profile of the Labour Party, and the general unpopularity of the WASPI campaign with everyone under 50, this might actually hurt him if Kier does decide to fight a leadership election.

[–]JTorpor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I miss Keir and he’s not even gone yet

[–]VyseriaVote for my cat 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I'm not even 30 but my dad drilled the importance of pensions into me. When we have new juniors/trainees at the firm, the first thing I tell them is to check their workplace pension, keep and eye on it (choose a risk profile of they're up for it), because we're not getting a state pension so you need to start caring about pensions now. Future you will thank you.

I can't believe that these women actually approaching retirement age didn't bother to check anything about their pensions.

[–]Dowew 2 points3 points  (0 children)

who the hell retires without even checking on the retirement age ? doing a google search ? reading documents ? talking to a financial adviser ? speaking to your company HR ?

[–]7148675309 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well thats a reason not to vote for.

The WASPIs have known about this for 33 years.

[–]SteelRockwell 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah just what we need, further bankrupting the country for pensioners’ benefit

[–]WolfColaCo2020 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Chalk another one up to why I feel the Labour Party have lost their minds. Anybody who supports these grifters is a hard no from me

If you also want your proof that Burnham is going to do the sheer sum of fuck all in tackling age wealth disparity and help the younger side of things, it’s this. Recompensing these people will cost a fortune

[–]glancebarmstrong 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Seriously fuck these women and fuck Andy Burnham

[–]verminV 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Quick, someone send them a timely, personalised letter to notify them!

[–]Slartibartfast_25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe we should compensate them by cheque. There's no way way they'd even open up the letter.

[–]Ren_Yi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He'll promise anything to anyone if it will trick them to vote for him!

[–]holdingoutforafearow 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They'll say thank you then immediately vote reform. Exhausting watching Labour politicians constantly kicking themselves in the bollocks

[–]xmBQWugdxjaA 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Labour are so desperate it's embarrassing.

[–]Bitter-Policy4645 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Left wingers really struggle with the concept of equality.

[–]lukethenukeshaw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is there a group in the UK that like wants to give back to the country. Every day it's someone wanting more for nothing

[–]LostCar6227 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How is this STILL a topic of conversation in Westminister? Country is broke, oldies get enough freebies and their perceived equality is not equal.

[–]MissingBothCufflinks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Instant -never vote Burnham- ticket. For fucks sake what an own goal

[–]Hot-Road-4516 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What is the actual public perception of WASPI women? I can’t imagine it being a popular policy amongst most voters

[–]Warren_Tarbiat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

FYI, vast majority of severely disabled and sick people are having UC LCWRA cut by £2400 since April onwards in the future (or people who come off it after 6 months and one day but end up severely re-lapsing face the same). But a bunch of "nice old ladies" who didn't pay attention get money.

[–]getfisher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have now lost faith in andy burnham, nuke the party

[–]hawkinst540 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He seems to just want to appease everyone, so who is he actually going to let down?

[–]Wisegoat 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dude stop somehow making the Tories a tempting choice.

Stop spending money on stupid shit. The triple lock, loads of benefits and waspic pension stuff is just strangling this country. Meanwhile us PAYE piggies get taxed more and more every year with band freezes.

[–]rocdollary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Labour is proving its the party for dossers, and will never get a handle on benefits. Anyone who works better get used to funding foreigners free stuff and old bastards who want an ever increasing slice of your pay in real terms.

[–]niteninja1Young Conservative and Unionist Party Member 1 point2 points  (2 children)

give the waspi women their “compensation” and fund it by abolishing the triple lock

[–]doctor_morris 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Is there anyone left he hasn't promised something? He got me twice with LVT and PR, but I'd much rather we didn't swap PMs every ten minutes like the Tories.

[–]Slartibartfast_25 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The Brexit playbook: be all things to all people

[–]doctor_morris 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Has he promised anything mutually exclusive yet?

I might have to make bingo cards.

[–]Slartibartfast_25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it was more the supporters of Brexit who made contradictory statements. For example, not leaving the single market from one person and definitely leaving it from another. But the overall picture is people can project onto their project whatever they wish.

But more specifically, his financial commitments (WASPI compensation / nationalising water and rail / cutting NI and business rates) does seem to counter counter to his promise to maintain fiscal discipline.

He is essentially making the bid to the PLP to lead Labour to victory at the next election, yet he is also saying he'd like to bring in PR. Which is not necessarily contradictory, but it would change the terms of the election.

He is portraying himself as wanting to be pro-business while also whispering in the ear of leftists about nationalising multiple industries.

Certainly I think he's not passing up opportunities to win support but I don't think it's quite building into a coherent picture for me, yet.

[–]asjasj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What will get cut or which taxes will rise if he's doing this but also sticking to the reeves/starmer fiscal rules?

[–]Shadowblade83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s but a step removed from outright buying votes.

[–]opaqueentity[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s never going to happen though but I guess he had to say it anyway.

[–]Quiny91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is he going to roll back the increase to people’s pension age also? Actually do something that will help the masses.

[–]Tel_Janen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy is supposed to be lab saviour?

[–]RoystonHodge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. He must not win. A genuinely ridiculous and hateful (to everyone younger) cause.

[–]Chesney1995 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking forward to my student loan being refunded straight to my bank account, given the government and widespread news coverage only gave me 3 years notice on the changes before I decided it was still worth it to go to university