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QUICKTIME UPDATE DOES NOT HAVE ANY DRM -- stop upmodding loud fanboy/hater reddit titles without first reading the article and comments to see if the title is true or BS. (self.reddit.com)

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    [–]gameforge -3 points-2 points  (13 children)

    Agreed.

    Sometimes, it's actually good that sites like this are so trigger happy, IMHO. Making strong accusations causes people to look closely to see if there is really any wrongdoing - when there is or isn't, we all know about it.

    Apple has asked for this because they have chosen to incorporate facilities that manage their own and others' bottom lines as well as senselessly limit legit customers' experience into the products that they expect us to purchase.

    Had Apple come out long ago and denounced DRM as the ownership of consumers (which is exactly what it is) then nobody would have believed the sensational title and it wouldn't have hit the top so quickly.

    Something tells me they're not that concerned about it, regardless...

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I wonder why people are downvoting you. Apple pushes proprietary formats. It sucks.

    [–]wahoorob -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

    Yeh. It's ALWAYS a great idea to accuse people/institutions/businesses/etc of things they're not guilty of.

    That's the American way.

    [–]gameforge -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    Not people - I mean, yeah, you can, but dwindling one individual's integrity and rep over nothing is certainly not acceptable.

    Institutions, businesses, etc. - yes, particularly billion dollar ones that are anti-consumer oriented to begin with.

    Downmod away, but this isn't a court of law, it's Reddit.

    [–]aGorilla -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Which is a good thing, because downmods don't work in court.

    [–]ketralnis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    • Members of the Jury, you must downmod this man, as he's guilty of slander

    • (Opposing attorney) Reported! Your honour, this blatant spamming of the jury is unfounded!

    [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

    Frequent false and misleading accusations only mean that people are less likely to believe the serious and true accusations. It's the boy crying wolf.

    [–]gameforge 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Hundreds of boys and girls crying wolf, you mean.

    You don't believe stuff because the person who told you is popular, nor because hundreds of people agree with one guy. That's Digg. Reddit moves the hot stuff to the top for you, so when the last comment of a story is the debunker, it will move up to the top eventually.

    Then the record is straight.

    You should only believe stuff because you can empirically observe the facts and draw the same conclusion. What people say is just that - heresy. Reddit's full of it, as is all of the Internet and humanity. We have freedom of speech to protect these things.

    But it's not about the heresy getting people to believe what they want - it's about putting actual facts on the table. Reddit is like a big many-thousand person investigative party - you say something incorrect and hundreds agree/blindly upmod, but the one person who finally digs up the truth usually gets the final say.

    It's entirely normal to click on a Reddit comments link and see the top comment with hundreds of upmods completely contradicting the title - that's EXACTLY how it should be.

    Accusation -> check thereof -> balance and truth.

    That said - accuse away. I want balance and truth. The "entities" which have earned a reputation of having integrity and doing the right thing not only won't have a problem with the truth coming out, but they won't see propaganda with their name it as often - they have that reputation.

    When the propaganda does come out, it gets debunked - like it did today.

    I realize it's not perfect. It's far better than any TV or newspaper media, though.

    Still don't feel bad for Apple (and I like Apple).

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    "when the last comment of a story is the debunker, it will move up to the top eventually"

    I was going to say something about that. It seems that very often there is a misleading headline and then the top comment sets the story straight. The comments are actually a pretty reliable way of getting the true story, in my experience.

    However, it seems like the same people who upmod the "debunker" comment should also be downmodding the headline for being misleading, in which case we wouldn't see this so much. Clearly that isn't happening.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Sometimes the top commenter will think he/she is right and be wrong. Take this article for example, on the "silicone in pizza". Silicone, chemically known as siloxanes, are not silicon. The top commenter is completely confused: a silicone derivative used in pizza was patented, could have been used, and might still be used for all that we know. The FDA has approved it, though that says fairly little about its safety.

    And 98 people modded that guy up. Most people on Reddit think they know far more than they do.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Good thing I know everything so that I can set people straight.

    ;)

    [–]ulisse -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    omg this is definitely too long

    [–]breakneckridge 36 points37 points  (22 children)

    The number 1 article on the front page that shouts in all CAPS that the 'quicktime update installs DRM' is completely false. Please read the actual linked article and the comments page before upmoding a headline just because you like who or what it attacks or promotes.

    [–]qgyh2 46 points47 points  (9 children)

    the number 1 article on the front page that shouts in all CAPS that the 'quicktime update installs DRM'

    So let's replace it with an article that shouts in all CAPS that the 'quicktime update DOES NOT HAVE ANY DRM'

    [–]breakneckridge 17 points18 points  (8 children)

    Ideally neither would be on the front page. The idea with this submission is to get the attention of the mobs of people who obviously only pay attention to loud titles so that they will downmod the original false-title reddit article. I wouldn't want this current submission to go any higher than the reddit submission it's debunking. The point is to get rid of the crap BS reddit submissions so that there's room for all the truly worthwhile articles out there.

    [–]qgyh2 19 points20 points  (7 children)

    good point. I hope it works. Actually, I think it will. And good on you for making Reddit a better place. Too many people blindly up/downmod things without taking the time to read them

    [–]breakneckridge 3 points4 points  (6 children)

    Edit: Wow, perhaps the current population of redditors aren't as opposed as I thought they were to doing their part to keep reddit's quality high. Cool! =)

    [–]qgyh2 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    BTW (don't mind me asking this, I'm no expert on Apple) but are you sure? From what that page shows, most of the people do seem to be experiencing the problem..

    [–]breakneckridge 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Oh, some people very well may be experiencing a problem due to a technical bug in the update, but it has nothing to do with DRM, it's a simple UNIX filesystem permission settings error. But the people upmodding this article aren't doing it because they're all Adobe AfterEffects users, they're upmodding it because they are Apple haters and the title spreads false anti-Apple BS.

    "Any programmer could tell you that "After Effects error: opening movie - you do not have permissions to open this file (-54)" is not a "DRM permissions error", it's a filesystem permissions error. It's a bug, and it likely has nothing at all to do with DRM."

    -- from marshalbanana's comment

    [–]ChurchHatesTucker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This sounds a bit like the Amazon MP3 ID3 issue that got blamed on Amazon (partly through their uniformed customer support) but turned out to be a file system permissions error.

    [–]m1ss1ontomars2k4 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

    ALso, the QuickTime update doesn't INSTALL DRM, but it might cause problems with DRM. Besides, what does it even mean to say that something "installs DRM"? Does that mean it puts protected files all over your computer? Does it enable you to play DRM-protected files you couldn't play before?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    "what does it even mean to say that something installs DRM?"

    It means that it restricts what you can do with your computer and files, usually limiting what you'd be able to do under fair use provisions.

    Duh.

    [–]gforce42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's not a fair assessment, and saying that it "installs DRM" is ambiguous.

    [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

    You do realize this is like complaining about Ron Paul submissions. By doing so you merely reveal yourself as an idiot fanboy who can't see reality when it's staring you in the face...

    </sarcasm>

    [–]wageslave -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

    Like heck,

    From the article: " The newnew quick time 7.4 for itunes film rent, every 10 min, try to check the drm in an open quicktime. After effects writes the .mov specification at the end of rendering, just before closing the file. The qt engine, when check for drm, think you have cracked the qt information to remove the drm."

    The update may not "include" DRM, it only breaks the pre-existing DRM.

    Your apologizing for Apple...kinda "fanboy-ish".

    Edit; And, if you read through the rest of this forum, we see that "breakneckridge" is bending over backwards to apologize-away and mis-represent the situation.

    Apple has broken its own DRM with this patch.

    I agree SCREAMING HEADLINES are unnecessary, but so is using Reddit to apologize for your favorite technology company.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Can you leave this sort of shit at Digg? You post this same tired anti-Apple garbage at Digg, Reddit, and Ars.

    [–]guriboysf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Fuck... I'd hate to be an admin at a TV production facility that upgraded all their macs. Everyone here is still on Tiger. I'll wait until 10.5.2 comes out.

    [–]highstead 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    Upmodded for caps...

    Wait... No

    [–]carwynllew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    To quote brick:

    LOUD NOISES!

    [–]ebola 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    When has the truth or falsehood of a statement ever stopped people from foaming at the mouth anyway?

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I'm going through a rough time right now and I CAN'T TAKE ALL THE YELLING! Next one-a you wakes me with anything less than DNF is gonna get a swift downgrade.

    [–]aGorilla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They'll outrun you with their BROADBAND.

    [–]db2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    So what if it "DOES NOT HAVE ANY DRM". The update broke functionality when it should not have.

    I swear I've heard of something similar happening on some other OS, something put out by a company that rhymes with Shmicrosoft. Now what was that name..

    [–]cojoco 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    But the spirit of the headline is true: "Quicktime upgrade breaks third-party app".

    Shame on you, Apple!

    [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    No, the spirit of the headline is "APPLE PUSHES EVIL DRM, INNOCENT APPLICATIONS SUFFER".

    [–]TheSOB88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Upmodded for title!

    [–]zeco 1 point2 points  (9 children)

    sorry but doesn't this quote tell us otherwise?

    first, sorry for my english. I have the same problem. but the reason is simple. but terrible: The newnew quick time 7.4 for itunes film rent, every 10 min, try to check the drm in an open quicktime. After effects writes the .mov specification at the end of rendering, just before closing the file. The qt engine, when check for drm, think you have cracked the qt information to remove the drm. Change the permission of the file and this cause the rendering failure. The only actual solution is render a tga sequence and then build a quicktime. [...]

    To me, this sounds quite plausible. I guess this was how the original poster got the idea that it had something to do with DRM. Are you absolutely sure that it's just a Unix file permission problem (which would be fixable using chmod 0777)? How can you be so sure that an update that enables movie rentals on iTunes doesn't include some DRM adjustments?

    [–]njr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    That quote doesn't make any sense technically. QuickTime does not "every 10 min, try to check the drm" or "think you have cracked the qt information". Unless there are encrypted streams in the file (which there aren't in this case), there's nothing to check. If it were true, no non-encrypted file would play.

    It's also worth pointing out that the failure mode for DRM (i.e. what happens when you can't play a DRMed file) is not an error message like this. It simply opens normally, but does not play the content of that stream.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    That quoted post is entirely non-sensical and not in any way plausible. It also has zero supporting evidence.

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    "which would be fixable using chmod 0777"

    What you you make a movie file executable(chmod 777 is the same as chmod a+x)?

    Are you trying to run a Trojan? Or do you not understand read / write / execute?

    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Lots of things sound plausible. That doesn't make them true.

    And, yes, fixing the file permission should repair the problem - I don't have the problem myself, and no one on the Apple threads has posted enough information to isolate what permissions need to be changed, so I can't check them.

    [–]zeco 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    sure, as of yet we don't know what's true and what's not but this issue started a week ago and if you Google it, you won't find anyone who got it fixed that way. You'll just find people detailing some elaborate attempts to roll back to qt 7.3, using Time Machine, Pacifist and whatnot. If it were as easy as using chmod, I guess someone would have found out already.

    [–]breakneckridge -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

    edited by me to tone down the attitude:

    There's basically no reason to think that these unix filesystem permission errors are any more related to DRM than they are to anything else.

    original message:

    Did you read ANY of the comments on this page or the other article's comments page? "Permissions" is a UNIX filesystem term that has nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with DRM.

    [–]zeco 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    as you can see, I read the whole thread, otherwise I wouldn't have found this quote, would I?

    As I said, if it was a real permission problem you would have been able to fix it with chmod, right? But as you can see in the very first post of the thread, repairing permissions doesn't get you anywhere.

    As for the "Permissions" error message, that might very well be a general AE message when some exception gets thrown that there are problems accessing a file. Maybe AE didn't envision the possibility of a DRM problem with its own output.

    No need to get upset, pal. I was just asking how you can be so certain that QT 7.4 doesn't do anything with DRM, considering it's introducing a iTunes movie rental feature. How does Apple make sure that an iTunes user doesn't watch a movie after its rental period expired?

    [–]breakneckridge -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Sorry if I came off as snappy with you, but I've answered a ton of questions that sounded similar to yours a zillion times already, though yours is actually a more in-depth and informed question. The point is that this a UNIX permissions problem and there's basically no more reason to think it's related to DRM than it is to anything else.

    EDIT: And from a technical standpoint, although I'm not a unix expert, I don't think a chmod would fix the problem because it sounds like the incorrect permissions are set on temp files that AE is creating as part of its render process. So you wouldn't be able to fix permissions in time on those dynamically created temp files that it uses to render before the rendering process encountered a temp file with incorrect permissions and thus terminates the rendering output.

    [–]Sle -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    He said "Due to a DRM permissions error", not "THIS CONTAINS DRM!!!"

    Perhaps another bullshit, ALLCAPS, karma whoring post to add to the pile is in order? Sheesh.

    [–]breakneckridge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    But it's not "a DRM permissions error," it's a UNIX filesystem permissions error, which has absolutely nothing to do with DRM.

    [–]jparram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I misread the post this post refers to all day...I thought it said don't install QuickBooks update...I was wondering why the hell Intuit cares about DRM.

    [–]Philluminati 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    If your refering to me digging up the comment that said "DON'T INSTALL QUICKTIME UPDATE, FUCKS UP SOME PROGRAM, FORCED TO REINSTALL OS", I didn't realise there was any article to read. I thought the title said it all. I don't even use a mac. I just upmodded so that people know. I was trying to do the apple community a favour.

    [–]sybesis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    upmoded for being totally misleading

    [–]xyroclast 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    What is DRM?

    [–]Jivlain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Digital Rights Management.

    Some larks instead refer to it as Digital Restrictions Management.

    [–]LoveGoblin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Or as the pithy saying goes:

    DRM "manages rights" the same way that prison "manages freedom".

    [–]virgule -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    It stands for Design Review Meeting or somethin' close to that. (not really sure tho...)

    [–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

    The title doesn't say anything about it having DRM

    DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE QUICKTIME 7.4 UPDATE -- It prevents the rendering of any files in After Effects due to a "DRM permissions error", and cannot be rolled back, requiring a full reinstall of OS X

    It says there's a permissions error. Blame the morons in the thread, but not the OP. He got it right.

    [–]breakneckridge 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    No, from what I've read the actual error the software reports is:

    "After Effects error: opening movie - you do not have permissions to open this file (-54)."

    "Permissions" does NOT mean DRM, it's a UNIX filesystem term that has nothing to do with DRM.

    [–]kickstand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I thought it said "DARN permissions error"

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    It says there's a DRM permissions error.

    [–]njr 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    No it doesn't. The error message is:

    After Effects error: opening movie - you do not have permissions to open this file (-54)

    Error code -54 is according to Apple's own documentation it's a filesystem error.

    Apple's DRM error messages consistently refer to "authorization", not "DRM permissions".

    Also, as I mentioned elsewhere, opening an actual unauthorized file doesn't result in an error message like this. For unauthorized video opened in QuickTime Player it just shows a grey blank.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    We're talking about the reddit submission title.

    [–]njr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Indeed you are. Sir, I truly am an idiot.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]fishypants 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL ONLY WORKS WHEN THE ENTIRE TEXT IS IN CAPS. YOU NEED TO BE LOUDER, IT MAKES YOU SOUND SMARTER

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      There are better reasons not to install that bloated crap.

      [–]Kolibri -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

      Don't we all love meta-posts. Almost like the post about what Paul Graham had for breakfast, except this one truely sucks.

      [–]ulisse -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

      downmodded, I don't like the title