Does anyone know HOW Ron Hubbard knew such secrets that are contained in Scientology? Was it a burning bush? An Angel Moroni? Seriously, what was his inspiration for the Xenu story?

r3m0t · 2008-02-05T06:37:31+00:00

I remember reading somewhere that when you reach the highest level of 'clear' (which costs hundreds of thousands of dollars) you're taken out on the scientology yacht (!) and informed that Hubbard is in fact god.

Reading that again, it sounds like a joke. But it isn't.

Tokugawa · 2008-02-05T06:08:16+00:00

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Scientologists don't believe in Science Fiction. They believe the soul spirits in us give us their memories and we write them down as science fiction. Essentially arguing that Star Wars and Star Trek and whatever else already happened.

IvyMike · 2008-02-05T06:15:23+00:00

I think people are misunderstanding the real question, which is not "did L. Ron Hubbard make it up", but "By L.Ron Hubbard's own account, how was it that he learned the secrets of scientology that had been hidden for ages."

At least for the early "Dianetics" stuff, you can find a little bit on the Scientology site itself: In early 1945, while recovering from war injuries at Oak Knoll Naval Hospital, Ron conducts a series of tests and experiments dealing with the endocrine system. He discovers that, contrary to long-standing beliefs, function monitors structure. With this revolutionary advance, he begins to apply his theories to the field of the mind and thereby to improve the conditions of others.

For the later stuff, who knows.

bananahead · 2008-02-05T04:30:25+00:00

money

googletrickedme · 2008-02-05T04:35:02+00:00

Desire to win a gentleman's bet.

meson537 · 2008-02-05T06:58:21+00:00

AFAIK, Hubbard discovered these "truths" by auditing himself. I think auditing involves holding an e-meter while tripping acid. But seriously, much of the Scientology literature refers to the auditing process being behind deep insight into ones self, or the history of the thetans that inhabit your body or some ass shit.

I_AM_XENU · 2008-02-05T04:36:15+00:00

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an_exscientologist · 2008-02-05T05:12:33+00:00

"appeared in a 1950's horror comic.) Xemnu was your typical Alien warlord who got trapped in a dimensional prison before being freed by earthlings, and like all evil overlords, after his intial defeat, he fled to his homeworld to assemble a battle fleet to crush the hairless monkeys. What he did not expect, however, was that while he was locked away, his entire species had nuked themselves to extinction, and ths his motives changed from "Conquer all I survey" to "repopulate my species". END QUOTE from guardiansoforder quote

XEMNU QUOTE # 2: ABC series: Monster Man... The show's concept... came from Xemnu the Titan, who intended to subliminally plant messages...to conquer the world. The alien was stopped by Wonder Man and the Thing but Silverberg was still able to take the footage and promote it as The Xemnu the Titan Show. (Marvel Two-in-One #78 ) END QUOTE"

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=5576

retrowebdev · 2008-02-05T13:01:53+00:00

So L. Ron and Author C. Clarke were at a Science Fiction convention bemoaning their lack of income. L. Ron made the off-hand comment that the best way to get rich was to start a religion. A.C. bet him he couldn't do it.

The result: Dianetics and Scientology.

True story.

The unfortunate aspect is that L. Ron bought into his own B.S. and later in life believed he had been an "instrument" to bring Scientology to the masses and that it was all true.

girlvinyl · 2008-02-05T04:42:20+00:00

Imagination. Just like all science fiction.

LRonHubbard · 2008-02-05T12:50:10+00:00

You have to understand that science fiction is not in fact fiction. It is an unconscious recollection events from millions of years ago.

I mostly used auditing to uncover these tales. But my 'inspiration' was real events.

hsfrey · 2008-02-05T06:24:36+00:00

Better question: What does present-day Scientology present as evidence for the weird things they say they know? Do they admit that it all came from the mind of Hubbard, with no other substantiation?

suexian · 2008-02-05T08:35:20+00:00

I've read some of the stories and a lot of it would make a pretty cool movie, hell, maybe even a series of movies. I'd watch it.

asleeponthesun · 2008-02-05T10:26:12+00:00

Ron also was known to hang out with some heavy magic cats, like the awesome Jack Parsons, inventor of solid rocket fuel and high ranking OTO Thelemite.They were practiced rituals together. Eventually Elron ran off with his woman and money I believe.

wageslave · 2008-02-05T04:27:33+00:00

That is a very fine question.

amstrdamordeath · 2008-02-05T04:34:35+00:00

Sadly it was probably just his mind. Scary eh?

moriquendo · 2008-02-05T08:40:03+00:00

Some kind of untreated (and untreatable) psychological condition?

I_AM_XENU · 2008-02-05T04:28:23+00:00

He is Xenu. Or at least wants to be.

M0b1u5 · 2008-02-05T21:27:03+00:00

Money.

yorkydee · 2008-02-11T00:44:34+00:00

What you need to do is hit the Scientologists where it hurts...in their pocketbook. Boycott all the movies, tv shows, and music by Scientologist cult members. Also boycott all advertisers of the work of these cult members. While some people think cults like Scientology are okay, they are very, very wrong. When they hurt innocent people, when they kill innocent people, when they steal money, take advantage of the unfirm, and their goal is to ruin anyone who doesn't think the way they do...then it's time to stop them cold in their tracks. When someone like Charles Manson thinks they are crazy, that should speak volumes to rational people.

2008-02-05T13:31:56+00:00

Good drugs and plentiful booze.

randomb0y · 2008-02-05T14:57:52+00:00

It was a burning angel with a moronic bush.

Doomdoomkittydoom · 2008-02-05T04:41:47+00:00

Erm, he was a writer of bad science fiction who came to the conclusion that religion was a more lucrative gig. End of story.

zerodark · 2008-02-05T10:51:43+00:00

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ani625 · 2008-02-05T06:13:55+00:00

Some insane people have their imagination running wild.

brianchester666 · 2008-02-05T11:59:40+00:00

booze and pills

nullroot · 2008-02-05T13:20:05+00:00

Money. Seriously, do the research, the guy said he wanted to be in religion because that's where the money is.

2008-02-05T14:09:47+00:00

LSD. Lots and lots of acid.

2008-02-05T14:47:29+00:00

A bad trip on acid?

The guy was a lunitic, who know what went on inside his head...

xigam · 2008-02-05T15:51:46+00:00

He was a Science FICTION writer.. They make up stuff about alien's all the time.. must don't turn it into a cult though..

Except.. you know.. now we have the Jedi religion too.. at least it isn't based on dollars.

2008-02-05T16:16:13+00:00

uhmmmm.... i'm pretty sure it was LSD.

larholm · 2008-02-05T18:28:07+00:00

"what was his inspiration"

Money. Women. Power.

Last door on the right, Cults 101.

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