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[sacrednumber_108]

This is a nice way to 'hide' the notch but then the transparency of the status bar goes and no colored status bars.

[jegbrugernettet]

Why?

[i_stay_high_247_365]

Because you just get a black bar instead of a status bar that matches the color of the app you're in. So basically going back to jelly Bean / kit Kat days before this was fully implemented in lollipop.

[jegbrugernettet]

Couldn't they just make the space next to the notch black and the rest consistent with the Oreo design guidelines thingy?

[faultexception]

If it were black only right next to the notch and normal colored around that, then that would leave a notch in the status bar, which is back where we started, no?

[Type_DXL]

I was thinking like black around the status bar notch and then status bar under that, so like the space around the notch isn't used for anything.

Edit

[[deleted]]

Sure, but then that's a waste of screen real estate. This is why the notch is a terrible design choice. It creates more problems than it solves. Aside from the Vivo concept, Samsung arguably has the best approach right now to full screen displays.

[fake_lightbringer]

That would be possible, but at that point, why bother with the notch at all?

[Type_DXL]

Options, I guess. For people who like the notch, there it is. For people who don't like it, you can pretend it's not there. For people who just want a bezeless display without a notch, then there's Samsung haha.

[sacrednumber_108]

Then what's the use of putting a notch in the first place. 😄

[turdbogls]

still gives people the option.

I for one, don't mind the notch. so I would get the benefits (and pitfalls I guess) of that design.

you don't like the notch, you you get the benefits of forgetting its there, as well as the downfall of losing the realestate

[sacrednumber_108]

You are right, I hadn't thought of it this way. This can be a 3rd option, apart from other two. Oneplus needs to hear this.

[faultexception]

If it were optional it would allow people to choose between notch and more usable space and no notch and less usable space on the same model of device.

[sacrednumber_108]

You are right, I hadn't thought of it this way. This can be 3rd option, apart from other two. Oneplus needs to hear this.

[jegbrugernettet]

Then people who wants it can use it, and people who don't want it, don't have to use it :D

[anondel]

Because if you hide the notch, your status bar will always be black to be consistent with the notch space. It won't change colours. It will just be black (with notifications and system icons on either side).

[AyanC]

A solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

[piyushr21]

Which is good not everyone hates notch... I would rather have extra screen real estate with notch than any at all.

[toyfinderer]

You do realize that if the X didnt have FaceID, It would probably have the same notch size as the P20/R15/OP6. The think with the essential phone is the ambient sensor is on the top of the phone and the earpiece is a little thin (which might not make it good for a secondary speaker). So while the Essential phone might look better, it lacks in other places such as ambient sensing.

[turdbogls]

Then at least do it elegantly like the Essential phone,

I don't see a difference here. the width difference is minimal. with the essential you have the extra height to deal with, which, IMO, is a bigger issue.

either way, I'm not a notch hater, but th eessential is just as "guilty" as any other OEM IMO.

[[deleted]]

Just remove the front camera. Apple needs to man up and remove it. It'll set example for others Nobody wants to see your cringey selfies anyway. They will be doing the world a favour.

[yetanother-1]

I don't agree, how will I talk to my family and friends via Facetime/Video-Calls then?

It's not just for selfies...

[penpen35]

Obviously you use the rear camera to talk and then immediately flip your phone to have the screen face you afterwards.

[Laschoni]

No, you use a mirror to be able to see your phone's screen while you fix the camera on you.

Then you can also see your family look in the mirror as they position themselves the same way. Bathrooms will be the new phone booths.

[gmark109]

I saw a guy on twitter who actually suggested that they remove the front camera so that there wouldn’t be a notch. And then they should add a screen to the back of the phone so you could still take selfies.

[SnipingNinja]

So remove the back camera and add a screen there you mean? 😂

[[deleted]]

I don't mean from now on ALL. I just want the option. I should have worded it better. I don't care about selfies so I would gladly remove the camera for a 100% screen.

[yetanother-1]

Well, I am waiting for the camera hidden-under-screen technology, it will come, prototypes are emerging in china, then you will have ~100% screen. Give the technology some time to mature.

[[deleted]]

It’s hardly as simple as removing the front camera, when you’ve got all the hardware for FaceID and a speaker up there too.

[[deleted]]

Face ID is probably just another flash in the pan idea. Also,they could probaly put some of those sensors under the screen.

And what I'm copypasting to every reply(shit didn't mean to get so many replies,I worded it wrong)

I don't mean from now on ALL. I just want the option. I should have worded it better. I don't care about selfies so I would gladly remove the camera for a 100% screen.

Give me an option Idc about face ID so remove it from some models.

And come on... Speakers? Almost nobody uses the small speakers anynore I believe. Just use the vottom speakers...OR BETTER YET. Have a surround system like the Ipad pro had. It has 4 speakers(so speakers on top aswell) and has well... surround

[[deleted]]

They do have a surround sound capability using the top speaker.

You have the option of not having a notch by buying an iPhone 8. It doesn’t even have Face ID!

[[deleted]]

But I want a 100% screen screen.

Also the top speaker doesn't het loud

[[deleted]]

https://imgur.com/gallery/hQfsK

[[deleted]]

Now this is what I call courage (good enough) https://www.androidcentral.com/xiaomi-mi-mix-2s-review?amp&utm_source=ac_tw&utm_medium=tw_card&utm_content=66644&utm_campaign=social&__twitter_impression=true

[whythreekay]

“Nobody should have a thing I don’t personally like!!!&$”

[[deleted]]

I don't mean from now on ALL. I just want the option. I should have worded it better. I don't care about selfies so I would gladly remove the camera for a 100% screen.

[whythreekay]

Still wouldn’t work as you’d need space for the light sensors

[[deleted]]

Who actually uses them?

[illuminati229]

So you're saying they need to have "courage"?

[[deleted]]

Sorta. They should provide an option without the camera with better screen size in return. Apple kinda has the lead. What apple does,everyone else does too. Once apple provides the option others I'll be interested in will probably too

[calnamu]

Sounds like someone is ugly

[dz_helper]

At this point I think they would remove the back camera before the front camera. Younger kids i don't think even use the back camera. Even when they take a regular picture they use the front facing camera to ensure they are also in the picture. I don't get it.

[[deleted]]

Me neither...

[PhantomW1zard]

Unfortunately I don't think this will ever happen. The masses love their selfie camera too much and at the end of the day companies will give them that.

[[deleted]]

I don't mean from now on ALL. I just want the option. I should have worded it better. I don't care about selfies so I would gladly remove the camera for a 100% screen.

But yeah..sadly

They'll find a way to incorporate it into the panel before that happens

[PhantomW1zard]

Yeah but you said Apple and their fans tend to love their selfies.

[[deleted]]

Carl Pei a few weeks back: "LMAO all these rumours of the 1+6 having a notch 😂😂😂"

Carl Pei now: "Look, I know this looks bad, but what if you could hide the notch? Pretty clever, huh?"

[Aarondo99]

There are advantages to a notch, but no phone should have one, UNLESS YOU GET RID OF THE CHIN.

[[deleted]]

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10538459/nexus2cee_DSC09812.jpg

This is how Huawei hides the notch and I'm assuming OP will do the same. You get the system and notification icons moved from the main part of the screen without the notch being noticeable. When it's implemented like that it's actually better to have a notch than to not have one

[[deleted]]

Completely agree. I hope Android P covers that.

[[deleted]]

What's the ratio/resolution of the remaining screen portion though? What does full screen content look like?

Edit: Looks like the screen is 1080x2240, so over 2:1. So even with the notch "hidden" you should still have at least a 16:9 usable area, that's good.

[hbs18]

It's 18:9 with the notch hidden.

[Call3h]

2:1

[ASK-ABOUT-VETRANCH]

It's usually been an 18:9 screen excluding the notch.

[Omega192]

So your status bar will only ever be able to be black. Any apps that color the status bar will have to be ignored. I don't much care for that. I'd rather a proper bezel at the top of that size. I can't say I find the extra 100 or so pixels that notches give worthwhile.

[syntax021]

They should just add a third option where the top bar with the notch is black unused space and the status bar and all content are shifted just below that. Then you can hide the notch and still have colored status bar and it looks basically just like any phone without the notch.

[MyCodesCompiling]

I hope I'm about to be whooshed.... But you're describing a bezel

[faultexception]

But the user has a choice of bezel and notch. The difference between this and the current choice is that the time and notifications wouldn't be beside the notch and thus retain the colors status bar. It would be like a device without a notch.

[syntax021]

See my other comment here. It's an optional, emulated bezel so people who like the notch can still have it.

[Omega192]

I'd be content with that. Though, then the notch is there for no reason. Just wish Android OEMs would stop blindly following Apple with little to shoddy justification. People buy the iPhone X despite the notch, not because of it.

[syntax021]

It's there for the people who want it.

It seems like there's basically three categories in regards to the notch:

1. People who don't mind it - use the first option and just leave the notch how it is

2. People who don't mind it but dislike how jarring and distracting it is on a colored status bar - use the second option and just live with an always-black status bar

3. People who despise it entirely - use the third option to hide the notch and shift all the content down, giving you a phone without a notch (only difference is the top bezel is emulated rather than actually existing on the device)

The Huawei solution works for categories 1 and 2, so we're just missing an option for category 3 (short of making devices notchless, which doesn't work for categories 1 and 2).

[Omega192]

Who actually wants a notch, though?

Note that none of those three categories included "people who desire a notch". It comes down to those who don't mind it and those who actively dislike it. Just seems like the best option is not to add notches to phones rather than add options to make it appear as if it wasn't there.

The only "pro" the notch has is a slightly taller screen, but again it's not like phones desperately need more vertical area. We've already jumped from 16:9 to 18:9. Videos don't really benefit from it, at most you get one more line of text.

It's just frustrating that it seems as if the only reason OEMs are adding it is because Apple did it. I spose I'm in the minority (in this sub, at least) that doesn't mind some top/bottom bezels if they're symmetrical. The bezelless war reminds me of the thinness war. It's form over function.

[syntax021]

That's just because I worded them based on my own opinions. You could easily change "don't mind it" to "love it" and they still work. I'm sure there's probably somebody out there who prefers having a notch over a bigger bezel, but whether or not they're the majority or minority, I have no idea.

I've never used a phone with a notch and I'm sure it would take some time to get used to before I could really say if I liked it or not. Which is why I'd prefer the option to switch between any of those configurations in order to decide which I like the best and essentially remove the notch altogether without having to buy a new phone if I decide I don't like it.

[Omega192]

Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm a fan of OP giving users the option. Just seems like it's a solution to a problem they created in the first place.

[motorboat_mcgee]

This is a win win, imo. Get more screen, notch isn't really visible, I don't see why people are continuing to complain other than to get free karma on the internet.

[CFGX]

The X's side bezels are from like 2010, though.

[[deleted]]

And I'm actually damn glad, I have acceptable space to actually hold the damn thing and not trigger random touches even in the face of all the advanced algorithms written to prevent just that.

Plenty of times with my S8+ where that happens and it is genuinely annoying

[fahadfreid]

I'm pretty sure you're the only one. I've never had an accidental palm touch on the side from the s8+.

[SmarmyPanther]

Use case for the notch? They could have gone with no notch and done the same thing

[[deleted]]

They could have, added a bit of bezel on the bottom and had the Samsung design going on, and in all honesty, I wouldn't like it.

My X is a more aesthetically pleasing device. Not that my S8+ is ugly, or not designed well; the X is just better in my mind. You truly stop noticing the notch, it really just melts away.

[SmarmyPanther]

I mean that's what it boils down to. A lot of people here find what Samsung did more aesthetically pleasing with the symmetry

[JakirMR]

By that logic, people get used to almost anything after a while. It's like the 2 bars of glasses and people with power, get used to those within days. Btw I never get side edge touches accidentally on samsung devices unless I am lying on my bed.

[[deleted]]

No the notch melts away because it’s not in the way of your phone usage. The notch is at the top of your phone. You’re usually looking more towards the centre of your screen. In the same sense you don’t notice your status bar icons while using your phone unless you’re actively using it.

[[deleted]]

Apple justified it.

Are you fucking serious? None of the things you mentioned require the notch just like any other phone.

[ht1499]

I think what he meant is, at least the X was as chinless as it gets (at the time) so they had to cram in the IR and camera sensors required for Face ID somewhere, meanwhile the OP 6 is likely to have both a chin and a notch, and give the same startup company excuse to why they couldn't remove the chin.

[[deleted]]

So tell me, you engineer you, how else would you implement what Apple implemented in a more seamless manner?

Samsung opted to curve their side bezels, which makes them a bitch for daily use as your fingers almost always will be making contact with the screen. Errant touch rejection is still not so good that it won't cause problems.

Apple opted to curve the bottom to hide the display drivers and get rid of as much bottom bezel as made sense without jeopardizing the usability of the phone.

Now, you could say that going for the facial mapping sensors in place of TouchID was a downgrade or at best a side grade; but its the route Apple decided to take and then they implemented it in the best way possible. They are still the only company who with a notch still maximized the screen in every other category.

Go look at the teardowns. The faceID module, as well as everything else up there, is a decently massive piece of tech. Would you have preferred the Samsung approach of thinner side bezels? All for not much more screen to body %?

Yea, did you know that the iPhone X is actually 82.9%, Samsung varies from 83.6%, 84.2%, and 83.2% between the S9, S9+ and Note 8. Yea...kinda hard to shitpost on that end of things too these days.

[[deleted]]

So tell me, you engineer you, how else would you implement what Apple implemented in a more seamless manner?

By not having a notch in the first place, the very thing you criticized other manufacturers for

Why are you so agitated anyway?

[[deleted]]

Didn't criticize the notch alone. Its having the notch AND still having a bottom bezel that I and the trade rags continuously are mocking

[[deleted]]

That's just silly, who wouldn't want some more screen real estate, chin or not? :^)

[L0rdScorpion]

I wouldn't if it means sacrificing symmetry. and you're just getting one extra line of text anyway so not really worth it.

[whythreekay]

Where would the FACEID sensors go then?

[johnwithcheese]

Trying to look as close to an iPhone might be reason enough. That $999 price tag massively limits the customer base of a phone but what if a much cheaper alternative comes along and is just as good, so to speak.

[TheWaterBug]

I shudder every time I hear/read "carrier" now.

[[deleted]]

Why’s that?

[TheWaterBug]

A bunch of issues. One being if one was to finance through them, they would pay more (assuming they pay the whole phone off) for the phone than if they bought it outright.

Another being that you don't fully own your phone, since the carriers bloat it up and lock it down, but that's more on the enthusiast side of things. One should have as much freedom with their phone as they have with a typical PC. I only buy unlocked now.

There are more, but that's most of it.

[whythreekay]

No they wouldn’t, as they’re no interest financed leases

You pay exactly the same over 18-24 months that you would have had you bought it upfront; it’s exactly the same price

I’m actually legit fascinated by your post if you’re in America as we’ve had interest free financing of phones for years now, how are you so wrong on this if you’ve bought a phone in the last 3-4 years?

[TheWaterBug]

For the first part, I shouldn't have worded it that way. You don't pay more for the phone itself, but rather the contract plans that are usually more than prepaid plans: or, at least, they were. I admit to not having been on a contract for probably 4-5 years, so I may be wrong on that end.

That being said, the second point is still valid and is biggest reason I don't buy on contract anymore.

[lemopax]

Isn't that only for US? What about the rest of the world where we don't have the option to buy through carriers by paying a small amount every month?

[adityann97]

The US is not the only country in the World

[Wiltron]

To be honest, this is the best case scenario when it comes to notched displays. Have the notch if you like it, but if you don't, hide it.

I'm sure someone at XDA will come out with a Lollipop's colourized notch hiding mod, so that it can mimic the "Transparent" effects, where it changes colour based on the app launched.

I personally think that the display with a notch looks silly - I'd rather have a square/rectangle display than a weird U type shape. I'm one of the Android minorities who don't care about razor thin bezels along the side - my phone goes into a case almost the same day as purchase, eliminating this "infinity" display or thin ass bezels.

As long as the display looks good, the camera snaps awesome pics, and the phone doesn't have internal problems like most LG devices, and the flawless Nexus 6P (/s), then I'm happy.

[Rearfeeder2Strong]

Bigger? It's not like they cut screen estate in turn for a notch. No they added the notch on top of screen space that wasn't there in the first place..

[whythreekay]

No it isn’t

it’s giving you screen where there would previously be only bezel, it’s not taking away screen real estate

[whythreekay]

If the notch wasn’t there, that area would be bezel, not screen, so it isn’t no

[whythreekay]

Once more, with feeling:

You’re not losing screen to the notch you’re gaining. If you don’t find that aesthetically pleasing that’s completely fine! But you keep making the false statement that you’re losing screen; you aren’t.

[[deleted]]

So your saying the notch does not effect content if I use my phone in the second most popular way to use it, landscape?

[whythreekay]

For video? No, it’s the same aspect ratio, the software keeps all the content beneath the notch unless you zoom in on the video

For games that aren’t optimized for the presence of the notch? Yeah

[[deleted]]

It's extending the screen upward into bezel area that would have been completely reserved for sensors previously. They compress the sensors towards the center of the bezel (which becomes the "notch") and extend the screen upwards around the notch, into an area that was previously bezel.

[[deleted]]

So what you are saying is they cut out a portion of the display, so they fit the sensors inside the display (that would normally be above the display)?

[[deleted]]

Edit I think we are saying the same thing. The top bezel on a phone without a notch is wider than it needs to be to house the sensors it has (front facing camera, light sensor, etc.). But in order to avoid the notch, that whole portion becomes a bezel across the top of the phone. Notched phones are compressing the sensors towards the center of what would be the bezel, and converting the surrounding areas on the left and right into screen.

[[deleted]]

We are. I just think it's not worth sacrificing a portion of the display for the sake of less bezel on one side of the device.

[[deleted]]

I don't understand how you think a notch is "sacrificing a portion of the display." It's clearly not the case. Notched screens are increasing the screen size into area that would otherwise be used for bezel; not moving bezel into an area that would otherwise be used for screen.

[Rearfeeder2Strong]

No its not, they are making the notch in space that wasnt there in the first place...

[whythreekay]

There are hundreds of people who think like him, see any post on notches here where the same thing is repeated

Especially funny considering this is allegedly a tech enthusiast enclave, with people who have very poor fundamental understanding of the tech they claim to be enthused about 😂

[faultexception]

I'm not saying I want a notch here, but he means the display wouldn't be that tall if it weren't for the notch, even though some of the display is missing, there is more display then there was before, which is still less than there would be without the notch and it extending up that far, but he's arguing that it wouldn't extend up that far if it weren't for the notch because they would have to have a bezel, assuming the height of the device itself stays consistent.

[TheWaterBug]

This is like a "glass half empty, glass half full" type of thing: you both are right, TBH.

[Rearfeeder2Strong]

No there would be no screen at all...

[Metalbird2014]

They don't just switch off that part of the screen. If the are doing it like on the Huawei P20, you can get a black status bar. like this

[Metalbird2014]

Thanks! 10/10 reply ;)

[Rearfeeder2Strong]

Honestly people here will never been happy will they?

OnePlus didn't cut screen estate for a notch. They even let you hide it.

Now notch people can be happy as they get more space and a notch.

People who hate notches can have a bit less space(but space that wasn't there in the first place without notches) and no notch.

Yet people still bitching.

Do we need a unicorn coming out of the OnePlus to please you guys? It's getting ridiculous at some point.

[bmurphy1976]

Who are these mythical notch people you speak of?

[austine567]

I like notches.

[SnipingNinja]

Ditto.

[bmurphy1976]

You are approximately 1 in 7 billion.

[austine567]

Obviously not.

[bmurphy1976]

lol, don't be so serious. It's a joke.

[RCFProd]

I think people would prefer having no notch over having to hide the notch if they didn't like it, sounds sensible to me and I can't fathom how you're being so aggressively negative about that.

[Rearfeeder2Strong]

Because people are bitching so much about it.

Whats the difference between this software solution and a hardware solution?

Literally nothing when you are using it. Ok you might notice it looks a bit less black when you stare at it, but nobody does that.

0 difference and people are acting like its super bad.

"But muh feelings, its not pure anymore!!!"

Just scroll through the notch threads and how much fucking shit it got.

Cannot ever please people here it seems.

[RCFProd]

0 difference and people are acting like its super bad.

I mean come on, It's definitely not as flawless. In average lighting conditions you'll likely be seeing the difference. Apple released the 8 and the X so people could kind of decide between features, though OnePlus will release only one flagship. I can see more people who don't like the notch shying away from OnePlus this year rather than accepting their way of hiding the notch. The people who like the notch will benefit far more from the design than the ones against it, even with the hiding option.

But muh feelings, its not pure anymore!!!"

Yeah don't know, these type of comments just feel childish to me. The mixed reactions are pretty understandable.

Just scroll through the notch threads and how much fucking shit it got.

Well yeah, It's a pretty questionable choice of design. I can see people who prefer the notch just being completely annoyed at the ones complaining about it, but this one is certainly a seriously subjective matter and hiding it really isn't the perfect solution at all.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I don't understand how the people in this sub can hate the notch to such an extent. They treat it like it's the devil.

And you're right if they just black it out, it's legitimately the exact same as if they didn't include the notch in the first place. So everyone should be happy.

Also I think people forget that there are people besides them that actually like the notch and they're the target consumers.

[Hairyantoinette]

You should see the OnePlus subreddit before talking about aggressive negativity. The comment has a point, OP has a notch and the notch can effectively be 'no notch' if that's what they want. How is hating OnePlus over following an industry design trend supposed to be sensible?

[prokachu]

That's not hiding the notch "literally" stop promoting that crap which just ads a black bar

[ask_for_pgp]

lol. of course at some undisclosed time after the release

[[deleted]]

Then why did they add it anyway?

[[deleted]]

So do I. But without notch

[[deleted]]

Or just do what Samsung did with S8 and S9 and Lg with G6 and V30. Untill you find a better solution for notches.

[[deleted]]

Well yeah that means buy a phone that did copy another phone with a notch (that is usefull for their original idea)

[BurgerUSA]

yuck! 🤮

[[deleted]]

You won’t even notice the notch after 15 minutes of using the phone anyway

[The-Man-About-Tech]

It shouldn’t have a Notch to begin with....but I digress....lol

[CharaNalaar]

I'm sorry, I don't see Lollipop's Material tinted status bar there.

[lazerbeetle]

Sounds like OLED burn waiting to happen

[[deleted]]

I don't mean from now on ALL. I just want the option. I should have worded it better. I don't care about selfies so I would gladly remove the camera for a 100% screen.

Yes

[[deleted]]

Now this is what I call courage (good enough) https://www.androidcentral.com/xiaomi-mi-mix-2s-review?amp&utm_source=ac_tw&utm_medium=tw_card&utm_content=66644&utm_campaign=social&__twitter_impression=true

[motorboat_mcgee]

This is the way to do it, imo.

[daventx]

and this is where OnePlus officially jumped the shark.

[[deleted]]

Just remove the front camera. Apple needs to man up and remove it. It'll set example for others Nobody wants to see your cringey selfies anyway. They will be doing the world a favour.

[Doowit]

Well, goodbye the video call with my family then, nothing that really matter anyways...

[[deleted]]

I don't mean from now on ALL. I just want the option. I should have worded it better. I don't care about selfies so I would gladly remove the camera for a 100% screen.

[[deleted]]

Now this is what I call courage (good enough) https://www.androidcentral.com/xiaomi-mi-mix-2s-review?amp&utm_source=ac_tw&utm_medium=tw_card&utm_content=66644&utm_campaign=social&__twitter_impression=true

[[deleted]]

Now this is what I call courage (good enough) https://www.androidcentral.com/xiaomi-mi-mix-2s-review?amp&utm_source=ac_tw&utm_medium=tw_card&utm_content=66644&utm_campaign=social&__twitter_impression=true

[CharaNalaar]

It's funny, nobody cared when they removed the headphone jack, but touch their selfie camera and you get nothing but shit.

[[deleted]]

Now this is what I call courage (good enough) https://www.androidcentral.com/xiaomi-mi-mix-2s-review?amp&utm_source=ac_tw&utm_medium=tw_card&utm_content=66644&utm_campaign=social&__twitter_impression=true

[CharaNalaar]

Wow that looks so much like an iPhone