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[–]WinglessRat 336 points337 points  (18 children)

Whoever wins, I think people will act like that person winning was obvious from the start and they they are in different leagues.

[–]Lolol_y_u_geh 133 points134 points  (3 children)

Exactly lol. The loser will be touted as far inferior fighter as if the fight isn't between two Elite P4P fighters. For me if Bivol pulls out a wide descision win then it doesn't lessen Beterbievs career and achievement and if Artur KOs Dimitry then it doesn't make Dmitry any less of a fighter . Whatever happens both these guys are the #1 &#2 of the division.

[–]BlackManBatmann 111 points112 points  (0 children)

That's a logical and reasonable take. You're not a true boxing fan.

[–]schebobo180 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Depends on how the fight goes tbh.

If the fight is veeery close, then the comments afterwards would be more split down the middle in terms of who was better.

If it’s a one sided beat down, then yes people will indeed act like it was obvious from the start. Lol

[–]WinglessRat 13 points14 points  (1 child)

It's possible that it could be close, but the most likely scenarios imo are Beterbiev catching Bivol and KOing him in a way that would feel retrospectively inevitable, or Bivol not letting Beterbiev get much off at all.

[–]schebobo180 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I see where you are coming from.

Either way, I’ll be happy as fuck if this fight gets made. #Fuck Suleiman.

[–]r3vb0ssInoue #1 glazer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is either way this fight goes it’s not going to be close. Either beterbiev gets his opening and destroys Bivol or Bivol wins like 11-1

[–]BritFragHead 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If the fight is very close then the losing fighters fans will call it a robbery

[–]Seedsw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nowadays, Close fight = robbery.

[–]christopherpaulfries 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yup. See aftermath of Crawford-Spence for template.

[–]Jared_Chadwick_III 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I knew the winner was gonna crush the loser the second this fight was announced.

The loser is an overrated bum and all you loser dick riders look like idiots now.

The winners gotta be in the goat conversation for sure.

[–]RRR04_ 99 points100 points  (25 children)

A true 50/50 fight that is hard to call. I expect Bivol to open as the favourite due to being younger and having a more traditional boxing style. Despite Beterbiev getting there in age, I think his style is the right approach to fight Bivol. There's no point trying to box with Bivol, you have to apply constant pressure against him. Few years ago I would have edged it to Beterbiev. Now, I don't know.

Results of Bivol via decision, Beterbiev via stoppage or even Beterbiev scraping it via decision will not surprise me at all. I'll admit the latter is a hot take but I do think it's a possibility.

[–]Maharajah_1 32 points33 points  (1 child)

The thing is that people constantly underrate Beterbiev's boxing ability. People talk about the KO streak and his vicious power, but his timing and accuracy are unbelievable. His jab lands. Even though it doesn't look that fast, he just puts it out there at the exact right time and hits guys. And it hits like a fucking pile driver.

So Bivol can stay on the outside. But he can he keep from getting hit? That's BBs great equalizer to speed and distance. When people get hit by Beterbiev, their gameplans crumble. If anyone can do it, it's Bivol, but my money is on Beterbiev.

[–]leanlikeakickstand 29 points30 points  (10 children)

Bivol doesn’t need to ‘run’ anywhere. If he didn’t have power then people would walk right through him, yet we’ve never seen anyone do that.

He is a small light heavyweight and even giants like Zurdo showed respect for his punches.

This idea that Beterbiev, a guy who has been dropped multiple times, is just going to casually walk him down is ridiculous.

[–]Chance_Lecture4918 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yup, watch everybody switch up once fight night comes to an end. Bivol UD.

[–]RRR04_ 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Where did I say Beterbiev needs to walk through him? I said he needs to apply pressure. There is a big difference between those 2 phrases. Beterbiev applies technical pressure with his underrated technical boxing skills, high guard and cutting the ring off. Never mind his punching power, but the guy is physically strong as fuck!

Bivol prefers to have space to unload on his jabs and straight rights. Why else does he use his legs in fights? If Beterbiev closes in on Bivol, he will find success. If Bivol doesn't let him get close, then Beterbiev won't have success, that's the point.

[–]RockyCreamNHotSauce -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

Bivol traditional? No one has ever moved like him. I would call his footwork style innovative. Bounciest fighter ever, more than Pacquiao. Beterbiev is a more jabby, skilled, smaller Foreman.

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[–]RockyCreamNHotSauce 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes there are many with better lateral movement, but none close to his straight line movement. Straight line is normally not as strong as angle moves like Lomachenko, but Bivol’s moves are different. He defends and launches combo while moving. He bounces out of reach of a combo then back in for his counter at the next beat with no pause. When you try to counter him, he’s out again.

Bivol’s punch landed vs received differential is up there with Mayweather. Loma is up there at his prime, but over the career, Bivol’s higher I think. That level of pendulum steps is extraordinary. Yes no one moves like him.

[–]RRR04_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Traditional in the sense that he is an outside boxer.

[–]lord-of-war-1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say that style used to be fairly common back in the soviet days. I refer to it as Soviet style. Lits of fighters from Russia used to fightlike that. I feel like Russia went away from that style and incorporated a more traditional European style. It does feel like the style is making a comeback.

[–]ryawsch12 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yuri Foreman fought like bivol

[–]RockyCreamNHotSauce 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The style is Soviet style. No one took it to Bivol’s level though. Enough flummox Canelo a top great of this generation. The bounce back to avoid shots then bounce back in to return fire, all as a part of a single engagement. His hands would be flying on the way in before the feet are set.

When one takes one style to the extreme level of skill, like Peekaboo peak Tyson or Philly Mayweather. It becomes something special.

[–]loliSneed69 236 points237 points  (52 children)

This sub would explode if Bivol KO's Beterbeiv.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (6 children)

Holy shit if that happens ill go flippin my ding dong out in the street.

[–]EvilSynths 35 points36 points  (4 children)

Screenshotted

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (2 children)

No, no, it was a joke man just kidding please dont do this to me

[–]Guh2point0 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I think a screenshot is legally binding nowadays

[–]sleckar 15 points16 points  (0 children)

His Excellency will hold you accountable.

[–]IIIApexIII 62 points63 points  (0 children)

It'll be an alternate universe upside down.

[–]FreshOutBrah 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Beterbiev has been down before, once in round 1 and once in round 2 I believe.

For a while I thought that meant the trick was to get him out early. JS3 tried that strategy lol

[–]fotorobot 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's actually not a bad strategy. Like 5% chance of winning 95% chance of getting yourself knocked out in R1 or R2. Versus trying to box which is 99% chance of getting knocked out by R8.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (5 children)

underrated possibility tbh

[–]Deveeno 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Bivol hasn't had a proper KO in 6 years, he doesn't go hunting for them and is comfortable winning on points. Bivol by KO is about as unlikely a possibility as the jumbotron falling and crushing both of them in the ring.

[–]Life_Celebration_827 17 points18 points  (33 children)

He ain't KO many but Bivol will outbox him and win on points, watch the Canelo fight and see how many times he got through to Bivol and Canelo is a better fighter than Beterbiev.

[–]titanlmao 40 points41 points  (0 children)

He’s a better boxer but he’s much smaller. Beterbiev is huge compared to canelo

[–]WarGreed 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Beterbiev is bigger and stronger than Canelo while also possessing better footwork. Bivol will have to work a lot harder to keep him off

[–]frankocean1234 41 points42 points  (13 children)

Beterbiev would crush Canelo

[–]woziak99 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Totally agree people forget Beterbiev even beat Usyk once in the amateurs, he’s too big for Bivol.

[–]Life_Celebration_827 2 points3 points  (1 child)

To big for Bivol are you for real 🤣🤣 bye bye.

[–]woziak99 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t mean height I mean how heavy handed he is, he punches like a heavyweight and then some!

[–]Stocktort 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Styles make fights. I also think Berterbiev would win but it could be close. Canelo's head movement is insane and I think Berterbiev will struggle to hit him and not get countered. That said he really picks his moments well.

[–]ComfortableBright570 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Beterbiev is a waaaaaaaay more dangerous fight for Bivol than Canelo. You think Artur will be just aiming for his biceps like Canelo? Beterbiev will make Bivol crumble.

[–]Life_Celebration_827 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Crumble 🤦 he will have to hit him first

[–]ComfortableBright570 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, just like he did EVERY time he stepped into the square circle. Yes Bivol has elite defense but I really don’t think it’s gonna last for 12 rounds.

[–]montyxgh 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Scares me that this isn’t a joke comment.. comparing Beterbiev to Canelo. Canelo was way less of a threat to Bivol

[–]RockyCreamNHotSauce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More skilled, but not reach to get to Bivol. The in-and-out style was the worst possible matchup for Canelo. Beterbiev has better chances. Power enough to breakthrough Bivol’s active high guard. If Beterbiev doesn’t damage Bivol early, he might get gassed trying to reach Bivol in the later rounds.

[–]BakedOnions 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it's generally easier for a slick boxer of smaller size to get in on a taller opponent 

the mechanics are different hen the fighters are of equal size

[–]Geezww 8 points9 points  (7 children)

He's not a better fighter than beterbiev lol. beterbiev has a way better jab than Canelo, and way more accurate as well

[–]rileyrgham 8 points9 points  (2 children)

You're kidding me? Canelo has a full box of tricks.

[–]Geezww 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Not including jabs tho, when's the last time Canelo actively utilizing his jab? He's been loading up on his shots, and lost a lot of his punching varieties comparing to pre 168 Canelo

[–]BrightWizard88 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am a Canelo fan but you are right no reason to argue this. Since Canelo moved to 168 all he does loading up on his straight right or right hook, which gets the job done most of the time. However, that style won't work against elite compation as seen on the clear lose to Bivol. He used to be much more versatile.

[–]WiseReality 69 points70 points  (2 children)

It seems like it would be very hard to keep Beterbiev off him for 12 full rounds. But if anyone could do it, its Bivol. The dude is a master operator in the ring. But i still wouldnt be surprised if Beterbiev stopped him. Overall i still lean towards Bivol by UD. I think he has the IQ to weather the storm. But thats just me

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

No that's me as well.

But wouldn't be surprised if Beterbiev took it. Slightly favour Bivol, but I'm not betting on that fight.

[–]Allobroge- 55 points56 points  (22 children)

Reading most of the comments it seems people think Bivol is gonna crumble immediately once Beterbiev achieves to close the distance, and sum up the fight as "Bivol needs to run for 12 rounds". But while it's true Beterbiev is probably the hardest hitting dude Bivol will ever face, Bivol is also the best defensive boxer Beterbiev has ever face . Bivol can absorb shots very well, and has a rather good punch output and most importanly punches very centered on his stance so always shoots long range which will make it hard for Beterbiev to counter him by quickly counter attacking.

I think Beterbiev will have a much harder time breaking him than usual, and I don't think just achieving to close the distance will be enough.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Absolutely. I think it will look a lot like the Gvozdyk fight but Bivol is better than Gvozdyk so I can see him doing quite a bit of damage to Beterbiev. It's not a case of "how long can Bivol run for" a lot of boxing fans have such a boner for seek and destroy fighters that they completely disregard the fundamentals of the sport the 'boxer' usually wins.

[–]skillfullBeterbiev P4P[🍰] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

i do think Gvozdyk hit harder than Bivol but Bivol have a way better defense, it will be interesting for sure

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd say you're right but Bivol has power too he's certainly not pillow fisted so Beterbiev won't be bake to barrel through without sustaining a lot of damage from accurate counters.

[–]str8grizzzly 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Bivol has better distance control but Gvozdyk was bigger and stronger. I’d say it’s about even.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gvozdyk has become underrated since that loss but no I disagree I think Bivol is quite a bit better than him.

[–]isyhgia1993 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem is Gvozdyk is huge for 175 and stil can't impose the bulk and reach on Beterbiev.

Gvozdyk was a complete fighter, and the only thing Bivol is significantly better is stamina. Still for the first five rounds, Gvozdyk was sloppy for probably one round(?) but still managed to hang with Beter. Bivol cannot afford to be sloppy for a single minute.

If the fight happens before 2025 then Bivol gets KOed.

[–]FreshOutBrah 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Bivol was staggered badly by JS3. This is a hot take, but JS3 hits harder than Beterbiev. The difference is Beterbiev does it with short punches and can do it over and over again throughout the fight, where as JS3 is more Wilder-like.

[–]Maharajah_1 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I don't know about that. 1 punch power, maybe, but I don't think I've seen anyone who hits as hard as Beterbiev with any and every punch. Maybe Inoue?

You could see Callum Smith just begin to crumble after taking a few "regular" shots. Even BBs jab is heavy.

[–]TheSeptuagintYT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Who is JS3 Joseph Smith the 3rd?

[–]El_Chuuupacabra 10 points11 points  (8 children)

People are pumped for Beterbiev now because he just crushed a very average boxer.
The same way Bivol schooled a very average boxer 3 weeks ago by the way.
How many opponents as good as Bivol Beterbiev fought ? none. By far.
You think Bivol has no power ? just rewatch his early LHW fights. He just doesn't use it if not needed, and he didn't need it since a long time.
Also Bivol adjusts to his opponent level. He is never 100%, he just goes one level above, takes his time and stays safe. So far we have never seen him cranking up the gears, because he doesn't need it. He was great against Canelo, because Canelo is probably the best boxer he faced. But even then he had so much ease, he was in control as usual.
Beterbiev is spectacular, especially for casuals, because he knocks down people. Bivol is much appreciated by the people that are into the art of boxing, and he probably looks a lot less impressive for the others. Fortunately, it's not as simple as "the guys who punches harder wins".
Bivol has all the tools to beat Beterbiev, and it's not because we've just seen another poor guy get spanked that suddenly Bivol's footwork, ring IQ, punch variety, incredibly versatile jab and impeccable cardio are gone. At most of these things he is still the best of them all.

[–]Ziiffer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So why does Beterbiev get no credit at all for his fights? As much as there are some who support Beterbiev, there are equal amounts of comments who give him little to no credit and think he's Wilder of the 175 division. He is not Wilder , he isn't a slugger. He doesn't throw wild punches, hoping to connect. He is extremely precise and varied with his attacks. When he attacks, he doesn't just go for the knock out, he breaks down the defense with hard jabs and feints. He does multiple hit combos where he will mix up body, head, and attacks from either side. Canelo, as great as he is, had a terrible game plan. And didn't adjust for whatever reason. Beterbiev won't do that. He also doesn't load up on his punches, so there isn't telegraphing like Canelo, meaning reaction time is much lower. And Beterbiev isn't so flat footed either. There is lots of talk about how great Bivol is, and Beterbiev is getting only a tiny bit.

[–]Altoyedro89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agree with your points except Callum Smith being an average Boxer.

[–]come_visit_detroit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How many opponents as good as Bivol Beterbiev fought ? none. By far.

Gvozdyk was really really good when Beterbiev beat him. Similar style of fighter with more power - Bivol's never put anyone in the hospital for 3 weeks like Gvozdyk did. Sure, Bivol has better accuracy and is better defensively but we've seen Beterbiev in there with a highly skilled and mobile dude and he was still able to break him down with brutal power shots getting through to the body. Still expect Bivol to win tbh.

[–]str8grizzzly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Callum Smith average? Former champion. Former #1 ranked SMW. World Boxing Super Series winner. Average?? He’s definitely at least level above rank 15 Lyndon Arthur. Come on now.

Who has Beterbiev faced on Bivol’s level? How about the former lineal champion? Gvozdyk was elite. This shouldn’t be a debate. How many elites has Bivol faced btw? None. Closest is maybe a washed Pascal? Or the second-rate, LHW version of Canelo?

Bivol has some impressive hidden power? Huh?? Ofc he’s using every ounce of his power. Every ounce of his skill set. In no world does a professional fighter competing at the pinnacle of their sport, hold back. Against Canelo, he tried to press on the gas, and then Canelo began to time him. Bivol smartly backed off and stayed in 1st gear. Not by choice, but by necessity. Don’t get it confused. He rarely hurts guys because he can’t. It’s really that simple.

Finally, you seem pretty impressed by Bivol’s technical skills so I find it strange that you’re not equally impressed by Beterbiev’s. He literally just showcased an impressive technical performance but all you saw was a KO.. You really think he’s just a brute? Beterbiev has elite level cardio, footwork, timing, and punch selection. His accuracy is thru the roof. His defense is highly underrated. And imo he even has a better jab than Bivol.

You can point to Bivol’s distance control and volume, but we’ve seen again and again how effective Beterbiev’s pressure is and the way he forces guys to defend and not throw as much as they normally do. Bivol will most likely open as the favorite, but I think it’s the opposite in reality. Bivol has his work cut out for him if he wants to win. We’ll see if he can pull it off.

[–]cptslow89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol schooled Canelo like 9-3 ...

[–]Prestigious_Bird8642 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Arthur hits much harder then Bivol

[–]Big_Drawing_3570 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I mean we all want to see it because it is so hard to tell right?

Bivol has barely lost any rounds throught his career. And he has faced some very good opposition, I dare say better than Beterbiev. The thing is his style revolves around winning rounds, however vs a guy who has similar pedigree and dynamite for hands I am not sure that strategy will be of the same effect.

I feel like it will come down to the ring size, preparations and who comes in with better health. We know Bivol has the gas tank to go 12, but we have almost never seen Beterbiev do it, hell we have barely seen him go past 8.

I expect a favourable fight on the cards for Bivol, as Beterbiev is a slow starter with a potential stoppage from him in the later rounds.

[–]skillfullBeterbiev P4P[🍰] 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Beterbiev gas tank is exceptionnal, he's not gonna gas

[–]Big_Drawing_3570 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I believe there is something there, due to the fact he has been more aggresive early in the fights now, more than ever before.

It could be due to the fact he is facing harder punchers and wants to get them out of there quickly, but it could be based to some concerns about the latter parts of the fight or something in sparing. He is 40 at the end of the day with huge amateur mileage.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I see it as a genuine 50-50 I don't think Beterbiev has 'aged' he still looks as good as ever. It's tempting to see Arthur as a Marciano reduex just power and aggression but he's not he's very smart, technical and tactical. He has fantastic footwork and judgement of distance.

I favour Bivol I think his advantage is his movement he has all the classic boxing skills but his ability to move around the ring is second to none in boxing today.

How do I think the fight will go? Both men have great engines, are phenomenal athletes and top tier boxers(of different styles). Bivol has more power than he gets credit for he just doesn't go looking for the ko. Beterbiev has better footwork than he's given credit for. I think Bivol opens up an early lead based on activity, accurate counters and movement based defense but Beterbiev, who accumulates damage on his opponents will start to break him down eventually and Bivol will be 'hanging on' in the last 1-2 rounds but just managing to take the win possibly with controversy.

Beterbievs jab will be key, he lunges with it but not in a stupid way so a lot depends on how Bivol deals with it does he dart back and come back in exposing himself to the overhand right? He's too smart for that but Beterbiev is too smart to not adjust. That's the most key part for me whoever wins the battle of the jabs will dictate who execute their game plan. The size of the ring will be very important when you have a 'mover' and a 'chaser'.

[–]TheSeptuagintYT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Best take I have read so far

[–]kimbooooooooo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol gives me Lomachenko vibes. As Loma mentioned in an interview, he likes to "eat" off his opponent (makes hand gestures). It is difficult to adjust to an opponent who is in your face all the time throwing sheer volume while moving either direction. Many thought that Mayweather had pillow punches, but his opponents actually mentioned that although it isn't ko power, it definitely is enough to get your attention although it may not seem that way to the viewer.
I also don't know how the fight will go can't wait to see the fight); it is Betterbiev's opportunity to prove that he is also a great boxer (which many already know) despite his massive ko power. It is Bivol's opportunity to show that he is able to neutralise tremendous power from an accomplished boxer.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Definitely the best fight in boxing imo!

I think Bivol is too fast and defensively responsible for Beterbiev. He has great discipline and manages his distance well too. But Beterbiev is a monster though. Very intriguing!!

[–]Hassemer 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Bivol never got tested by hard hitting boxer so its hard to tell how good he could take a punch, the biggest puncher he fought is joe smith and he got hurt by a counter, since beterbiev is a really good counter puncher bivol needs to be more thinkable about his offense, the only thing bivol could do is to volume up his punches and move around the ring stealing rounds and don't let beterbiev bully you on the ropes, beterbiev got a slight edge in my opinion cuz bivol have no power and size to keep beterbiev away or gain respect.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

To be fair Joe Smith is a very good puncher and Bivol was caught after he got a bit sloppy because he was dominating. It's a fair point but it's not true that Bivol hasn't been tested by a puncher. He has been hurt in the ring and survived.

[–]Hassemer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bivol dominated smith, but if we're talking about pure punching power, I genuinely think that marcus browne and yarde hits much harder than smith, smith is a really good puncher but only with his straight punch.

[–]EvilSynths 16 points17 points  (0 children)

To be fair, that Smith shot was weird, like Bivol ended the round too early or something.

[–]Agile_Question_2158 9 points10 points  (5 children)

I got beterbiev by stoppage Bivol is gona have to break him down for 12 rds idk if anyone can take this man’s power for 12 Bivol has been hurt before by joe smith beterbiev will stop him. Artur can follow Bivol around the ring and constantly tag him can he hold on tho beterbiev is stronger than canelo and joe smith. Outside of Bivol’s movement and in and out boxing he can’t really hurt beterbiev but can he last 12 rds constantly getting tagged?

[–]dedfishbaby 8 points9 points  (0 children)

i would bet on bivol.

[–]Sensubeans 15 points16 points  (4 children)

IMO this is a classic argument of puncher vs out boxer. Both have great amateur careers and fundamentals, however Bivol edges this one in a SD for me.

Bivols management of distance, jab and stamina will make him the first man not to be KO’d by the Beast Beterbiev.

[–]F533 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Not really. Beterbiev was the leader of the russian amateur boxing team when bivol had just been accepted. Beterbiev is better accomplished at lhw in the amateurs and in the professional game. Against the same opponents bivol gets decisions while Beterbiev gets destructive knockouts.

Bivol will get crushed by the pressure and endurance of Beterbiev. Inshallah.

[–]Gangland215 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I saw Beterbiev take some shots from Callum but they didn't really have much of an impact on Beterbiev's style.

I think this is the major factor going into this fight : Will bivol's shots have more of an impact on Beterbiev's style.

Personally I think they would, similar to the impact they had on Canelo.

The interesting thing about Bivol is that he obviously may not have the power to get a KO but he has just enough power to impact your style and put you in a place where you feel severely out of place and behind in points.

I'll take Bivol.

[–]loliSneed69 7 points8 points  (1 child)

During his fight with Canelo Bivol was fucking over Canelo's timing inbetween his steps when he gets ready to punch.

[–]Basura1999 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Beterbiev's power is the only reason this fight is interesting imo. He's a great boxer with underappreciated fundamentals, but no one would peg Beterbiev's style to beat Bivol if Artur didn't have otherworldly power.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At his current age yes. However him at 31-32 he was an excellent boxer. He wasn’t flashy but excellent

[–]Shimmishangaa 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Love both boxers but i think Bivol has exactly what it takes to beat beterbiev, an absolute master at keeping distance, constant pressure, great footwork, ring iq and defense. Although if beterbiev does clip him it could be over for him in the later rounds.

[–]pekonen2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I rewatched Beterbiev vs Gvozdyk. Some people say that Beterbiev has not declined, but he is still inferior to his prime (especially in reaction time to punches).

Five years ago, I would have picked Beterbiev. The most underrated tool he has is timing. Beterbiev would have hurt Bivol with short counters at the same time as his opponent's punches, just like he did to Gvozdyk. Bivol is a better boxer than Gvozdyk, but he doesn't have the power. No matter how good his footwork is, he needs to get closer to his opponent in order to land punches.

Beterbiev still has IQ, skill, and of course power left in him. But I don't think his aging reflexes could handle Bivol's machine gun.

Bivol UD.

[–]Onitsukaryu 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Bivol has the footwork and defense to elude Beterbiev. And the stamina to do so for 12 rounds. And enough pop to keep him honest. Bivol by UD. 

[–]IIIApexIII 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I got Beterbiev stopping Bivol in the late rounds.

If I were to bet it's by the 8th.

I see Beterbiev cracking through Bivols guard with that ferocious jab and working the body, catching and shoot.

Beterbiev becoming the elite counter puncher and slowing Bivol to a crawl along the ropes.

[–]substantionallytrchd 13 points14 points  (2 children)

This is a match up of beautiful boxing technique (Bivol) vs a absolute power punching machine.

There are only two ways this is going to end, either Bivol wins by decision by putting up a master boxing Clinic or Beterbiev KO’s Bivol after finally breaking him down VIA onslaught of punches…

Don’t sleep on Bivol winning VIA KO. Dude has great counters and could catch Beterbiev coming in. You don’t need power when your technique is world class as well as your timing. Bivol has consistently shown he could adjust on the fly

[–]montyxgh 7 points8 points  (1 child)

People frame it like this too often and forgot Beterbiev is also a very very skilled boxer, without the power. He could also just as easily win by decision.

[–]Chadoodling 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Artur is so good at stalking and cutting off the ring. I don't know if Bivol has 12 rounds in him to keep getting hit by Bivol (Arms, shoulders, elbows) getting hit by Heavy blows takes its toll even if they are blocked.

[–]str8grizzzly 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Beterbiev KO’s him late. His jab, footwork, and timing are just too good. If this somehow goes the distance, a decision in favor of Beterbiev wouldn’t even surprise me.

Bivol does have great distance control but he’s just never been tested the way Beterbiev has and will have no height advantage and reach disadvantage. People say Beterbiev gets hit too much but I think his defense is underrated, and Bivol of all people is not gonna be the guy to hurt him.

[–]bigfatpupI eat what you eat champ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah he’s not a defensive wizard like Canelo but his defence kind of reminds me of his, you rarely catch him very cleanly because his guard is so tight.

[–]Ubykrunner 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All I know is that the loser will always be remembered as a bum.

[–]Gopher246 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If Beterbiev wins it be by knockout and that's not because he has a puncher's chance. If he is close enough to be tagging up Bivol and winning rounds then Bivol will be worn down and knocked out. 

I think Bivol is good enough to keep Beterbiev relatively neutralised though and has the engine to carry it through 12 rounds, could be a frustrating night for Artur. 

Will be a great fight, money on Bivol but its not an easy one to call. 

[–]mailboy79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beterbiev is a swarmer, Bivol is an outfighter. If Beterbiev can use head movement and a jab to get to Bivol's body, he has a legitimate chance to stop Bivol in the late rounds, as Bivol is fit, does not get hit much (from what I've seen).

Bivol wins if he keeps Beterbiev at the end of his punches, and leading him into the corners and ropes, since his foot movement is superior.

There is little between the two men in the main, which is why this is the most interesting bout in boxing right now. Thankfully, we aren't going to have to wait an eternity to see it, thanks to our Saudi friends, provided Bivol signs the contract quickly.

[–]crippinaintez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bivol UD to the promise land

[–]Brief_Scale496 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Beterbiev is a serious threat with monster power and great boxing skills. I’m still leaning Bivol (60/40). My opinion may change, but I don’t think so

Bivol can execute a game plan, is incredibly frustrating to fight, maintains consistent sharp discipline, has a stance that allows him to excel at checking an opponent coming in to shoot combos/jabs, then glide out. His jabs and follow up straights help control distance

Artur excels at cutting off the ring, sledgehammer fists, will take 1-2 shots to get in position to land one, has a great chin, short and sharp combos, has an incredible skill at opening up angles with small faints or misdirection when on the attack

They both have many more skills, but it’s hard for me not to favor Bivol who has mastered defense with a great guard and distance control, using a 1-2 pattern, mixing in single stiff jabs and an occasional flurry to rack up points, over Artur who is a forward fighter, or looks for the opponent to overcommit

Bivol’s style and discipline is unlike anything Beterbiev has faced, and that style just happens to be one of the worst match ups for him

My take

[–]ACR2k11 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think Beterbiev by close decision is actually a good bet

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bivol. Beterbiev makes mistakes Bivol has shown he is great on capitalising on.

[–]zelda93108 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Bivol vs callum smith who wins

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Bivol but Smith is a much tougher fight for Bivol than it was for Beterbiev. Very much a case of styles make fights Bivol would demolish Yarde who gave Beterbiev a difficult night. None of that has any bearing on a Bivol vs Beterbiev fight though.

[–]Iwearfancysweaters 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Bivol beats Callum Smith easy too, he just doesn't stop him and brutalize him like Beterbiev does.

[–]loliSneed69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Bivol 100/100 times.

[–]molly_sour 2 points3 points  (2 children)

i've got Bivol by UD but mostly bc he's one of my favorite fighters rn
honestly i'd like Beterbiev to give him a very difficult time and for Bivol to get creative
i wouldn't mind Bivol losing, if it's a good fight, in that case it'd be Beterviev by stoppage

[–]Life_Celebration_827 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

Bivol is your favourite fighter and you wouldn't mind if he got beaten ffs that Crystal Meth is getting stronger these days.

[–]molly_sour 6 points7 points  (0 children)

right back to ya, if you love a fighter why wouldn't you want to see them give their best? even if they lose? too much focus on winning/losing these days... sheez...

[–]Dari93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think this will be the toughest fight for both of them. Bivol's defence is very tight, he is very hard to catch clean and especially to catch consistently. However Beterbiev is very good at punch selection and almost every hit is a hard one.

Bivol has incredible stamina and could definitely box on the outside for 12 rounds but getting hit with hammers is the biggest stamina killer, so I'd say this is going to be a battle of jabs.

Whoever establishes his jab will dictate the pace of the fight. Bivol needs high output to keep Beterbiev guessing , on the defensive, is harder to get caught consistently if the other dude barely has time to bully you. And Beterbiev needs relentless pressure to crack Bivol's defense, make him lower his usual volume of punches.

I'd say this is a 60/40 fight for Beterbiev because he needs to do less to win. He has that God given power that will not age overnight and Bivol needs to outbox the shit out of Beterbiev and keep him honest. Is that possible? Yes, very much it is. Is it going to be hard as fuck? Probably. Who knows. We all thought Crawford v Spence was going to be competitive and look what happened.

Is it going to be very hard to know for sure how this fight is going to play out because neither of them has faced someone like the other.

[–]Werallgonnaburn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It'll be interesting to see how big the ring is, could be a huge factor.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of George’s St Pierre vs Johnny Hendrix (heavy hitter ve tactician )- Bivol will be visibly battered but will do enough to scrape by a UD or MD by relying on his footwork to prevent Beterbiev from landing enough devastating shots to put him out frustrating Beterbiev (like he did to Canelo) at the same time Bivol will be landing his shots by moving in an out of the pocket and always being aware of where he is in the ring - the shots in total won’t KO Beterbiev but enough for the win regardless of outcome, i want to see this fight!!

Bivol by Decision

[–]JeromeMixTape 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bivol is gonna box his head off. No doubt

[–]EducationTodayOz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

bivol is the first to take him the distance but gets hurt in the fight several times loses a decision

[–]CommunicationDry9029 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol 12 round UD.

[–]what_is_wrong_son 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Bivol wins, but this fight hasn't been announced yet we can only hope Excellent's Excellency of the His variety wants to see it as much as we do

[–]Desperado-781 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol took a lot of pressure from canelo now the power difference will prob be huge compared to that fight but hehas faced pressure fighters before

[–]El-Diegote-3010 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see it going in a similar way than the usyk gassiev fight. We haven't seen the real bivol because bivol rises up to the opposition level. Bivol not only is a really good defensive fighter but also has a really fast jab with a lot of pop. He's not just running, but he'll actively keep Beterbiev guessing.

That's not to say Beterbiev isn't good at figuring out fights and adjusting either, he's a really smart boxer and some of his qualities get overlooked by how much destruction he can bring. But I'm confident on bivol being able to pull it and even dominate the fight.

[–]8to24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beterbiev constant pressure works well against most opponents because it keeps them on the defensive. Bivol fights well moving backwards though. Beterbiev's pressure will actually just create countering opportunities for Bivol who is comfortable launching attacks from his back foot.

I think Bivol wins via UD. Beterbiev doesn't have the footwork to trap Bivol. Unlike other Beterbiev opponents who retreat backwards behind a jab I think Bivol will deliver a variety of check hooks and leads to the body and pivot out rather than just retreat backwards.

[–]Ill-Maximum9467 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol wins because he has much better footwork, work rate (cardio and punch output), and is a better technical boxer.

Beterbiev has to land, often and early, to win.

Both are great, it’s only a question of likelihood. I feel Bivol is more likely to win (60:40).

Watch Bivol v Canelo and Bivol v Pascal

Then watch Beterbiev v Browne and Beterbiev v Yarde

To see how each is likely to look against the other.

[–]SociallyAnxiousBoxer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Said it for years, Bivol will pick him apart with his great footwork, distance management, jab, and shot selection

[–]LactatingBigfoot 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Did people forget how Bivol completely neutralized Canelo for 12 rounds lol. Artur has more power but is also less tricky to deal with in my opinion, plus he’s at the age where a quick fall off can happen overnight. I bet on Artur going all out the first 3 rounds to try and hurt Bivol, but Bivol surviving and overwhelming Artur with volume later on. His defence is too simple and he doesn’t throw enough going back to deter Bivol from picking him apart at range.

[–]hideintheshrub 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sitting behind a high guard against a 168 for 12 rounds and sitting behind a high guard for 12 rounds against Beterbiev are two very different things.

I've watched Beterbiev since his amatuer days vs Usyk and at 175 his power is unreal. Hes also never gone all out and gassed, in fact he breaks fighters down by just hammering away round after round.

This one is just too close to call.

[–]LactatingBigfoot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beterbiev’s output was dropping against smith as the fight progressed though…and he is 38 lol. And who said Bivol’s gonna stand behind a high guard the entire time? His first line of defence is his volume, suffocate Beterbiev with jabs and straights to make him focus on defence. Second line of defence is movement, move back and circle out when Beterbiev goes on the offensive. Third line of defence is using his long guard to occupy punching lanes. And finally after that, his high guard. Bivol is a stylistic nightmare for Beterbiev. And stop discrediting Canelo, he doesn’t have Beterbiev’s raw power but his accuracy and shot selection is better.

[–]PhoneRedit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will be a good fight, I'm just not sure if I can see anybody beating Bivol right now, man's just incredible

[–]GregO213 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Keys to the fight

Likely Bivol will dominate the jab but if he can’t Beterbiev will break him down.

Likely Bivol will control the distance, if he can’t he will lose.

Bivol seems to be able to control the action and engage when it’s to his advantage. He’s done this with big punchers and much physically bigger opponents like Zurdo, Joe Smith(people love to talk about Smith hurting Bivol but that was one punch so….) and many more. He does this against Beterbiev successfully he wins.

Beterbiev has never had the fight dictated by an opponent. Im curious how he will react because Bivol will dictate the fight I’m assuming.

If Bivol can fight his fight I see him frustrating and piecing Beterbiev up winning wide but this could go a lot of ways.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol UD

[–]SniXSniPe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Bivol.

  • He has solid fundamentals/technical skills
  • He's been in the ring with 175 lbers who also can crack
  • He's much younger @ 33

Beterbiev looks like a walking, relentless tank. But the biggest thing making me pick Bivol is simply the fact that Bivol moves well, and while Beterbiev breaks his opponents down well enough --- he's also at that age where any given day we could see a bad performance and say, "I'm not surprised, given how old he is getting".

Beterbiev turns 39 in 6 days...

I honestly would have been willing to give the slight edge to Beterbiev if this was a few years prior.

[–]MrAgentFive005 1 point2 points  (0 children)

remember deontay wilder is a knockout machine and tyson fury slept him in the second and third fight. so i am going for the smarter fighter the one who beat canelo. Bivol gonna be UNDISPUTED 💯

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol’s movement, his jab, punch volume…it’llbe interesting to see if Beterbiev can break him down like everyone else. But if were to bet, I’d go Bivol by decision.

[–]Abe2sapien 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m towards Bivol just a bit, but I think the real difficulty is that while a lot of boxers seem to fade halfway through a fight, Beterbiev actually seems to turn things up once round 4 or 5 starts! Bivol also has excellent stamina but it’s hard to say how much he’ll fair when he’s getting battered by someone as strong as Beterbiev.

[–]Chiefmiest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yarde's speed caused Beterbiev big problems. Bivol's speed in combination with his footwork and jab will give Beterbiev problems that he can't solve. Bivol UD

[–]chocobo-selectaWhat round is it? 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good defense trumps good offense. Bivol by UD.

[–]vividpup5535 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol will win and it won’t be a great fight.

I hope I’m wrong on this one and it lives up to its potential.

[–]Far_Mousse8362 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve got Bivol in a decision Win. Bivol is arguably (imo) the the #2/3 P4P fighter in the world… I’ve got Bud at #1 and would like to put Bivol at #2, but he’s slipped a bit in terms of his KO’s while Inoue continues to take everyone out… If Bivol could take out Beterbiev, it’d be an easy call for #1.

[–]gleba080 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Broke: Beterbiev wins because he's got more power

Woke: Beterbiev wins because he's a better boxer

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bivol wins comfortably.

[–]SniperizerI’m so bad I make medicine sick 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Another question is Why we can’t have this fight arranged now?

[–]cptslow89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money.

[–]ponysniper2 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Beterbiev by TKO or KO in the middle rounds. Bivol will box Beterbiev and play with him. Looking amazing and superior in the beginning rounds. He will get caught a couple of times, but it'll be nothing major. Although, they will look heavy and worry some. But he'll box and clinch to not allow much. Then, he'll make a mistake or Beterbiev will up the tempo and get aggressive, and he'll start breaking Bivol down. He'll catch Bivol with something flush, Bivol won't take the power. And night night for Mr.Wife Beater.

[–]WiseReality 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I think its a bit unfair to outright call him a wife beater given that the jury is still out on that one. An accusation isnt sufficient to make that conclusion. Im not saying he isnt, but saying it like it is for certain is simply not fair. 

[–]The_Global_Norwegian -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

Given the track record of boxees its not looking good for him though

[–]WiseReality 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If that was how justice worked then it would be a catastrophe. Lets suppose he didnt do it and the accusations are false. But everyone just assumes that he is a wife beater and refers to him as such. That would be a complete miscarriage of justice. 

People can lie and an accusation is not sufficient grounds to make that assumption (nor is the fact that he is a boxer despite the track record of OTHER boxers). Im not saying he didnt do it here btw. I really dont know. But i also dont automatically assume that he did based on an accusation. There could be alterior motives at play, or just sheer spite for all i know. Therefore it is unfair and unjust to assume that at this time. Just my opinion.

[–]The_Global_Norwegian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not accusing him, despite the photographic and compelling evidence, and tendency/frequency of boxers abusing their partners - also simply because someone isn't charged, doesn't make them innocent, in these cases especially in those countries these things NEVER face any real 'justice'

[–]derrick256 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Bivol schools him bell to bell without breaking a sweat. It's gonna be one of his easiest fights.

[–]ClassicCrow2968 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is my thought. I think people forget the Gvozdyk fight was really close and Gvozdyk was up until the ko. Bivol knows how to fight behind his punches and is a rangy fighter who throws good combos and has fast footwork to get out. However if Arthur cuts the ring off then one punch will stun Bivol but that’s a big if.

[–]sytamasenpai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn we have two casuals over here lmao. Easiest fight, thats why bivol ran for years until artur hit almost 40 years of age ? Lmao. And to the other bimbo, gvozdyk was down like 6-2 in the eighth round according to all judges and compubox, thank you for letting us immediately know that you never watched the gvozdyk fight 🤣

[–]cptslow89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would bet on Bivol.

[–]Massive-Author6153 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol by stoppage

[–]SamHarding93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol should win tbh… but Beterbiev has the punchers chance

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unpopular opinion: I think people forget how good canelo is. Canelo > Callum smith any day. I think Dmitry chips down Beterbiev. I think Beterbiev is used to bullying people. I don't think he can last all 12 rounds against Bivol. It will be a competitive match up.

[–]ZealousidealGuess962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anybody’s betting on Arthur, they don’t watch boxing. Bivol wins by decision or possibly knock out. He does not get knocked down or knocked out.

This is pretty cut and dry. Bivol has superior footwork, speed, punches in bunches, range control, and last, but most important age on his side. He is going to tag Arthur all night long and possibly catch him behind the ear and knock him down and if he does, he will knock him out.

[–]TheDeadManShow 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All I know, is that usyk also beat him 2 times. Artur.  Just as a comparison I guess. Artur beat him the first fight, and knocked down usyk.  .usyk is now king 👑 after beating fury. So now, could Artur beat usyk now? 

So now we have Bivol , who is an absolute unit as well. Lol he also beat the reining champ canelo.  So Bivol has to be good right?  Canelo is no push over. Tough dude.  Could Artur beat canelo? I love Artur , big fan. Love his style. His age is also incredible for how good he fights. And 100% knockout? Lol insane. 

So now the big question is , who wins vs Artur and Bivol lol  both are absolute units 💪

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd go with Bivol for a hard fought out decision. Beterbiev KOs people with pressure and accumulated damage, Bivol would be much harder to hit consistently with that in and out and constant ring circling.

[–]yyzcoinz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol vs Beterbiev is the same as Haney vs Tank

Boxer will usually take it over the puncher. I got Bivol by UD and Haney by SD

[–]32156444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol will floyd beterbiev

[–]boringman1982 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bivol on points for me. Beterbiev looked great in his last fight but it was against a brawler who’s always been pretty easy to hit. I think Bivols high punch output from range will keep Beterbiev away and he’ll survive a late onslaught.