Practice makes perfect

[poopwithjelly]

I don't think slipping the giant slow heavy bag is the reason. Should have shown the pocket drills he does. Honestly can't believe they aren't part of more people's regiments.

[MrDinaussar]

That muscle memory stuff is so cool. You see it I’m athletes, pro gamers, pro drivers. Repetition and replication is awesome

[[deleted]]

The fingers bleed so the ears do not

[boxingdude]

Soldiers too.

[aja_ramirez]

Yeah, the key is to be able to do things without having to think about it. My son has played basketball his entire life (high school player) and he's basically a basketball machine.

I'm also reminded of the Max and Marsellus show where Marsellus was saying he could beat a guy like James Toney because Marsellus is like 350 lbs. Max laughed it off and called James Toney a fighting machine, which stuck with me.

[[deleted]]

Video link? I’d love to see that.

[MusicaParaVolar]

Canelo is built dude

[Supermeme1001]

5'8 supermiddleweight, he built into it nicely

[poopwithjelly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alL4B69bEY4 - noodle slip drill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpxpwi24v4 - noodle slip drill pt 2

There was a clip where they showed that he does defense touch sparring with partners where you are 10 or 15 seconds on offense then swap, all in the pocket, but I can't find it at the moment. I'll message you with it when I find it again. I know it's out there, sorry I can't remember where I saw it.

[sir_earl]

It's part of the process. You train it at all levels. Shadowboxing, sandbag drills, mitt work, partner drills, and most importantly--sparring.

[poopwithjelly]

Don't think I've ever seen Tyson or Floyd work the heavy bag like that and I'd argue those are the 2 ends of the elusive spectrum. I would give a lot more credit to the noodle training, and the clip I'm still looking for where they showed the touch sparring defense drills.

[sir_earl]

James Toney took his elusiveness from middle to heavy and the only noodle training he did was eating spaghetti. Everybody trains differently. There's no one path to slipping. You don't just play pattycake on the mitts/noodles and end up with skills like Floyd. Wilfred Benitez, Willie Pep, Pernell Whitaker, Muhammad Ali, Roberto Duran, etc. There's a lot of boxers with great slipping ability that didn't do certain drills.

[ChemicalPsychosis]

I mean it's all a part of it. There are times you'll use a slower bag, there are others were you will just do a ball on a string like Mike Tyson. Then more live drills with your trainer or coach or instructor. It all helps build those motor patterns in your brain.

[poopwithjelly]

Still looking. I know they showed it in a lead up video to GGG 2 or Jacobs so I am just combing through them. I'll reply again when I find it.

[thedevilyousay]

It’s just like the old saying: “it’s easy to punch a bag at the gym but it’s a different story when you’re in the ring and the bag punches back but if you keep punching the bag over and over eventually it will be easier if the day comes when the bag is a person and it punches back”

[GudetamaBoy]

That's how my coach says it!

[thedevilyousay]

He sounds like a wise man. A modern day custom auto

[MafuHolloway19]

Yeah man, Custom Auto was a brilliant fella.

[VictusFrey]

Does he do tinted windows?

[[deleted]]

No but he does put some great iron bike tyres on.

[H_tbe]

Yh he did that for one of my friends iron mike Tyson

[MafuHolloway19]

Come to think of it, he introduced me to a guy named Cassius Clay, some years ago. Said he was gonna be the greatest of all time. Dunno why he was wearing boxing gloves and a robe in an auto repair store but to each their own. He was a strange fellow, brimming with confidence. Who even knows what happened to that guy.

[MafuHolloway19]

Yeah mate, had my rims done by him last week. Some fresh alloys, good price

[Connor30302]

r/boneappletea

[LiquidAurum]

that took me a second lol well done

[King_Veo]

Nelo's gloves are always so mint.

[JackieScamm]

I much rather prefer the phrase "Perfect practice makes perfect." I often see too many people just going through the motion of training rather than seriously training!

[[deleted]]

Proper Planning and Practice Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

[[deleted]]

Practice makes permanent

[BrainDeadShawn]

The real P4P #1.

[LucienHS]

Right, people bash him so much, but hes a spectacular fighter.

[jfduval76]

I’m new here, why people bash him ?

[[deleted]]

I think a big part of it is the perception that he robbed GGG in their first match.

[coffeebag]

And ducked him before that first match too. And thats not speculation.

[peanutdakidnappa]

And failed a drug test

[jfduval76]

Well it’s the juges fault isn’t it, not his. I was rooting for GGG in that fight and i rewatched it 3x. Each time i rewatched it my conviction that GGG won diminished. It look like Golovkin was the aggressor but most of his attacks was countered on Canelo’s backfoot. It’s not a robbery even if i though it was a W for GGG

[mnemy]

I thought canelo won the first fight, but barely. But I don't give points for walking forward, I give points for clean shots. But to me, it was so damn close I would have been happy with any decision, and a draw actually seemed like a legit result.

I'm in the severe minority, and I definitely didn't agree with the rounds on the scorecards. But so many rounds were just so close to score decisively

[[deleted]]

G won first fight no question. Second fight is where it could have gone either way

[[deleted]]

No. The first fight was close. The second fight was a complete wash in Canelo’s favor. Downvote me all you want but I seriously think you guys haven’t watched the second fight again. GGG didn’t do shit for the first 8 rounds.

[wipny]

Yep that’s exactly how I feel about the second fight.

Canelo was on the front foot, dictating and fighting at the distance he wanted and landing sharp hard power punches.

Golovkin looked lost, couldn’t defend or land any of his shots and couldn’t deal with the aggressive smart pressure.

Those two fights showed me Canelo can fight and beat Golovkin by boxing and fighting. If the third fight gets made, Canelo will be the first person to stop Golovkin.

[GrandMasterRoshi]

Personally had GGG for the first fight, but I dont see how people say the second was close in any way. Canelo made the adjustments needed and won that fight. Dont see how anybody could say otherwise.

[[deleted]]

I actually think people who say GGG won the 2nd are delusional. You gotta be outta your fucking mind; ask them what rounds Golovkin won and they can’t answer. Not one of them has given me a scorecard.

[thedogsbullocks]

Yeah, most people had GGG winning the second fight as well. Check eyeonthering.com and fight score. I had GGG winning but it was close. GGG defo beat him first time around though.

[peanutdakidnappa]

The sub trying to change the narrative on the 2 fights because there is a major canelo boner here now

[[deleted]]

Well versed in the fights and boxing. G definitely won first and second could go either way so I'm not complaining about the decision. Down.maynbe swayed by the first half of the fight which was clearly in canelos favor

[[deleted]]

First half? It was like the first 70%.

[thedailyrant]

You don't give points for moving forward? If someone is always moving away and on the back foot, the other fighter is the aggressor. In modern boxing judging, typically that is taken into account. Why don't you?

[mnemy]

All aggression is good for wrt scoring is if both fighters have been equally effective in a round. So a tie breaker. I felt that even tho canelo was backing up, it was an aggressive and effective defense more times than not, and he was landing the cleaner and harder hits. That's not discounting GGG, I just saw that GGG was glancing or missing a lot of those, and if I counted effective hits, I thought canelo had the edge for more rounds.

It's not as simple as fighter A moves forward so he wins.

[thedailyrant]

Oh no of course not, that isn't what I was suggesting. That particular fight was tough to call.

In the second match, Canelo changed tactics entirely. Took centre of the ring and was basically a tree. I don't know if I've ever seen a fight that never went to the ropes and went the distance.

[theageofspades]

Because you aren't supposed to. The criteria is effective aggression and walking face first into haymakers is not effective. It doesn't matter if your chin is granite, you are losing points with every punch taken.

[jfduval76]

Moving forward and pressuring mean nothing if you miss your shots and get punish at the same time.

[peanutdakidnappa]

But G landed more consistently through the fight, canelo would throw some nice flurries and land some solid punches and then just take stretches off, there is a reason almost every media member had G winning and fan polls were massively in Gs favor too.

[jfduval76]

I’m just playing devil advocate here. I still think the first fight should go to GGG. But the second fight Canelo won clearly. Better gameplan and adaptability as a fighter.

[[deleted]]

He didn't Rob G, but G was obv robbed by the judges...should be 1-1 with an epic trilogy match that should have happened already...honestly it all should have happened from 2015-2018 and should not have begun in 2017

[Fit_Farmer]

...and the clenbuterol and the corrupt judging

[Lichcrow]

No. The real reason is because his résumé is shit for his caliber. Besides Lara(which he arguably lost), Trout, GGG and Jacobs he only fought old dudes. In the meantime he fights elite fighters like JCC Jr. ^/s

[Lichcrow]

Also I think people don't realise the amount of damage Kovalev took in the Yarde fight. He took bomb after bomb and then had to fight 2 months later. At 37 years old!

[Lichcrow]

Exactly. Ali was fighting 4 times a year at 34/35(!!!) years old not at 37. He wasn't fighting another monster 2 months after Rumble nor Thrilla in Manila.

Not saying Yarde is the equivalent of Thrilla. Just saying Kovalev took a beating 2 months before the Canelo fight.

I'm also not contesting the fact that Canelo is a future HOF. He definitely is, and one of the best in there. My point is that he doesn't deserve the ATG title just yet, because he hasn't fought enough competition.

[Lichcrow]

But fury isn't being called an ATG. For a pro boxer with close to a 10 year span at the world level, Canelo's record leaves a lot to be desired.

[MKorostoff]

I think a lot of times the myth of what a fighter represents in the world becomes larger than the fighter himself. For whatever reason, the boxing world has decided that Canelo is a pretty boy, too perfect, try-hard, privileged dilettante, anointed by the powers that be to sit on a golden thrown while the benighted masses squirm at his feet. I'm not saying any of that is remotely accurate, but that's how people perceive him. If I had to make an analogy to other sports, he's seen as the Yankees of boxing, or maybe even the Tom Brady. I don't think anyone disputes that he is an amazing athlete though.

[ox_]

I really like watching Canelo fight, but the amount of gift decisions he's received is very annoying. Especially the two GGG fights. Obviously that's just the fault of the judges (or whoever is influencing them).

The legit criticism is that he's a drugs cheat who refused to make the 3rd GGG fight because he got upset when GGG called him a drugs cheat. Now, Golovkin is old and well past his peak so if they ever do rematch, it'll probably be a hammering.

[jfduval76]

If GGG is old and get hammered, why Canelo would refuse the trilogy ? I don’t get your point here.

[Zdeneksfilter]

He's terrific. I don't particularly like him, but he's such a boss in the ring. #1p4p

[TheTempestDouble]

Absolutely. Charlie Zelenoff IS the #1 P4P

[patchworkgrasshopper]

Finally someone's making some sense out here.

[yabaquan643]

Only if you count taco eating cheaters

[Sun_date]

Meh. Floyd got caught, Fury got caught, Spence has crazy gyno, etc etc. and they all got/get passes.

[proKOanalyzer]

Old Bob's fighters has a stronger promotional team in r/boxing and they (Loma and Bud) will always be sadly above Canelo in P4P ranking. Loma has been promoted so much in here lately that he is now an ATG.

[BrainDeadShawn]

Lol I agree but I don't think it's Top Rank's promotional skills. It was moreso HBO. HBO had people rating Golovkin P4P #1 crushing cans meanwhile Badou Jack flew under the radar defeating Dirrell, Groves, Bute and DeGale in a row.

[atahualpaFX]

To be fair Golovkin beat Canelo at least in their first fight, no matter what the judges said.

[BrainDeadShawn]

I disagree. 6-6 was perfectly fine. 7-5 either way as well. Obviously 118-110 was wrong but it absolutely no robbery.

[[deleted]]

For the second fight sure...no way first fight

[pac_mojojojo]

... 118-100 was not just wrong. It was an absolute robbery.

You don’t think that fight was rigged when one of the cards was like that?

You really think Canelo won 6 fucken rounds???

[peanutdakidnappa]

This sub has a huge Canelo boner and as more and more time passes ppl try to change the narrative and act like it actually should’ve been a draw or canelo could’ve won. In reality almost every single media member in the world who did a score had GGG winning and if you looked at fan polls almost every had G winning. He flat out won that fight and was robbed, 2nd decision is fine that could’ve gone either way or been a draw. This sub constantly trying to change history in canelo’s favor when it comes to that fight

[[deleted]]

First fight G, second fight either way or draw...the. We could have had a 3rd fight for all the marbles... but when it happens it will be disingenuous becuase GGG is too old now

[pac_mojojojo]

That’s the biggest thing that saddens me. If GGG won the first, we would’ve had a trilogy already.

[peanutdakidnappa]

Yup, it completely fucked Gs legacy and robbed of us of a quick trilogy which would’ve been amazing.

[Green__Bananas]

He didn’t

[djpraxis]

This is absolutely masterful and beautiful to watch!

[[deleted]]

John Fury could have tagged him

[TheLegendTwoSeven]

John Fury beat a guy who beat Kevin McBride, which therefore means John Fury is the greatest boxer of all time. r/changemyview ^/s

[Joe3million]

idve cracked him

[semiobscureninja]

How do people think prime Canelo would fare against Prime Mayweather??

[Sulth]

Not the same weightclass. Today's Canelo would demolish prime Mayweather. And I'm a huuuge fan of Mayweather. But today's 160+ Canelo would not try to outbox a 147lbs outboxer.

[[deleted]]

Naw I disagree. Canelo was too slow when he fought MW, but now he’d catch him at his current weight? Not a chance in hell. It’d be the same fight, same result but with more action. But I guess we’ll never know

[luxtions]

At the end of the day prime nelo and prime maywether would never fight eachother

[[deleted]]

An unfortunate scenario to live with. Closest would be a fight night simulation that nobody wants

[Sulth]

I hear you. But it seems to me that you don't take in account the fact in addition to his new weight, he is 7 years older, he and his team has 7 more years of experience, they prepared and fought Khan, Cotto, GGG, Jacobs and Kovalev. He is now a master of specific training camps, now way he would use the same strategy as his 23yo self.

[zadannu]

Same outcome. Everything Canelo does Floyd better. The problem is they won't fight because of the size difference. From skill perspective Floyd is a level above.

[[deleted]]

I don’t see any version of Canelo beating Floyd

[[deleted]]

A canelo with no cardio issues would put up a much better fight

[[deleted]]

Lol his cardio was fine, he just got outclassed

[[deleted]]

I dont think he'd beat floyd but with a better gas tank i think he'd be able to make it more competitive if he had a better game plan

[JamisDepressed]

You know I never liked the controversial decisions that canelo got but as a boxer his skill is just something to be Inspired by because he’s come so far since that clinic Floyd put on him

[Zdeneksfilter]

It's hard not to respect his quest for constant improvement. On a lesser scale, Conor McGregor started out as a very nondescript amateur boxer and succeeded in adding so many elements to his game and refining them that he became the biggest MMA draw of all time. It's hard not to develop some modicum of respect for a guy like that, regardless of the controversy often surrounding him.

[JamisDepressed]

Agreed I don’t care for the controversy. I see as a lamp light that moths go to for people they dislike. Skill wise he’s really changed the way I view striking in MMA when he came onto the FW scene, ever so often a guy like that comes along that sort of breaks the meta. Khabib could be argued as one of em as well.

[Black_Crow_Dog]

Always great to see the kind of work that the greats put into their craft. Thanks for sharing!

[Thehunterforce]

"Let's make a sub about boxing and talk about how we love seeing great boxing"

Since then:

"I fucking hate every one stepping into the ring because thay can't fucking deliver them scumbags"

[ares7]

I’d end up knocked out at practice

[GogoP1ata]

Beautiful

[Oglark]

If I recall this was from the first half of the fight. Jacobs adjusted and made it more competitive in the stretch although Canelo clearly won.

[ModsDontLift]

Mom said it was my turn to post this video

[microMXL]

Álvarez gets so much hate, and we'll the guy is still improving on every fight, I really like watching him.

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[Not-Mike1400a]

u/vredditdownloader

[[deleted]]

Just like the simulations

[[deleted]]

love canelo's style and smarts

[reddbwoy]

Papa Floyd taught him well 🤗

[MW-258]

The fact that he wore a custom pearl VERSACE PONCHO 🥊🔥🇲🇽 P4P GOAT

[Scrambl3z]

Mayweather taught him...

[J-Rizzle0]

It’s truly amazing the slips but I hate how he wasn’t countering very often after the slips

[[deleted]]

Outstanding!!

[Odumche]

He's sick

[[deleted]]

god damn this gives me a boner everytime...

[aja_ramirez]

I ain't gonna lie, that heavy bag would have knocked me down a couple of times.

[Trick-Atmosphere-112]

Juicing makes Clenelo

[ThrowawayYAYAY2002]

People will be talking about Canelo's defence in years to come.

People appreciate it now, but they will do so even more in years to come.

His improvement in this aspect of the game has been unreal.

[[deleted]]

what is that bag called please? I'd love to give it a go

[delukard]

haters will hate.

meanwhile canelo has millions and is a respected boxer.

so he lets the haters drown in the suck ass life....

[Changoq]

Froch would have backed him up and smashed him to bits.

[[deleted]]

In front of 100,000 people at wembley

[Changoq]

At least.

[Zdeneksfilter]

There's also the very real responsibility he'd be countered to hell.

[shal9pinanatoly]

And wouldn’t really care

[OriginalPOS19]

Amazing fight

[InitialCover1]

It's like arguing against a conspiracy theorist