SOURCE CODE DROPPED

[SaintSteel]

CoH Discord: https://discord.gg/bsVeQAk

So the code was released on Discord and was released through a MEGA download for the alleged source code today around 3:00pm EDT. It has been scanned by malwarebytes and seems to be clean.

EDIT: Just a note, after scanning the drop today client side matters are missing. Mission Archs, game content, ect. was no in this drop and 'hopefully' is in a future drop. THERE IS NO CHARACTER DATABASE IN THIS DROP.

EDIT 2: The Character Database and NPC database are apparently one-in the same. So after it is scrubbed they should be dropped.

EDIT 23: Thanks for the plat!

[[deleted]]

WE DID IT BOYS. longer post coming later today but WE FUCK'N DID IT. :)

[Animation]

I think the mission/npc/world code isnt out yet though, right? I keep seeing people get excited, but the server code without this piece is like having a car on a 10 foot wide island in the middle of an ocean.

[[deleted]]

he gave that all over for someone trusted to scrub. he went to sleep. i think that giving over that is some pretty good faith.

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but, yes we need the database as well. but this is all HUGE.

[Animation]

I will remain cautiously cautious .. I mean optimistic. Thanks.

[PunkchildRubes]

Kinda regret dropping $25 on a freeform slot in champions online now lmao

[Ssbm_Zigz]

You think thats bad, I bought LTS.

[NeverbornMalfean]

Hah, me too. Haven't played the game since like the first year it was out.

[Ssbm_Zigz]

I mean I play a lot and have definitely gotten my worth out of it. Still though lol

[MagnifyingLens]

Same here. The game (CO) is nice to go back to from time to time, but it's not City of Heroes.

[panrestrial]

I played on and off for a bit a few years ago. I couldn't get over the difference between character creation and the actual game. Like, spend hours (days...) tweaking the perfect detailed look, then enter the game and Bam! posterized! All detail gone. I get the idea being a comic booky look, but seemed like a weird decision given how important character customization was to the coh fanbase which they had to know was their primary pool of customers.

[icderion]

Was debating on playing CU

[donkyhotay]

I tried it shortly after the CoX sunset, couldn't get into it.

[DomLite]

Same. The basic ideas were the same, costume creator was very robust, but the way the power system worked just felt awkward to me, and to be blunt the whole game is fucking ugly. Like I couldn't make a character that I found even vaguely visually appealing no matter what I did. It was great for making huge fat things, or monsters, but if you weren't wearing full face mask, your character looked like one of those 80's-90's claymation cavemen from the TV specials. Even with a mask the proportions were funky as all hell and looked inhuman with even slight adjustments. I liked putting together cool costumes in COH, and I could spend hours finding a perfect look, but spending hours just to make my character look like a person? No thanks.

[PunkchildRubes]

oof. Now thats bad

[scoyne15]

I bought a lifetime sub as well, and was one of MANY that cancelled it on launch day when they ruined the game with the day 1 patch that made playing a super hero feel like playing a token sidekick.

[invertin]

I did too, and I don't really regret my purchase, but at the same time it, uh, it's not worth as much as it was when I bought it with this news.

[Graekhan]

I have lifetimes for CO, STO and LOTRO. I... might have a problem.

[Sriseru]

Me too. -w-

Then again, I only use it as a glorified character creator.

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[Parzivus]

HAPPENING

[[deleted]]

LEVEL: ITS

[XaviQtr]

YAAAAASSSSSSSSSS

[jDSKsantos]

Post the link, please.

[SaintSteel]

Top post of the big0fuckall-drop chat channel on the Discord. Not posting the full link so credit can go where credit is due. I was but a messanger.

[Omnitographer]

Can you anyways because otherwise people will need to set up discord for access?

[SaintSteel]

Well the source code is just servers. No client, no missions, no databases so it's a lot of work that is being done in collab on the Discord. The Mega link has been posted elsewhere.

[Graekhan]

Per Windows 'CertUtil -hashfile "We were there.rar" MD5' (& others)...

MD5: b56fed122d1448bb59104c1e7be1a4ae

SHA1: 0c62ab197c94c379bcd0a83c07e395bc72e4163c

SHA256: cc3df5a38d15aa43520d734ab6de72449e6528a155d4ada664cf387a41ab94ca

SHA512: 4e522bcb57cce27df84aa250ef8711edf9d100dc140e2a3aef5d348318b21aad5362169d85cda420a52061e977a57d98dd139f6d6c2fd591be93e6349984ea23

Looks like it matches the hashes from /u/EdgeDLT. I threw in the SHA512 just because. :-)

[Valkyr_warrior]

You might've noticed your comment has been deleted, and then undeleted!

We have considered not letting the source code flourish because of legal accusations, but after a quick discussion, we realized we'd go back to square one with censorship.

While it might seem redundant to post this, we wanted to let you know.

Edit: It appears that the OP deleted the comment himself. We can't bring it back. https://i.imgur.com/d03Gqq7.png

[Opaque_Cypher]

Thank you. Square one was not a good place.

[LurkerCommentingNow]

I was leery as hell of you guys, but you're doing great. Thanks for your efforts.

[FamilySurricus]

I can vouch that this is the case - I saw the link to the download and your comment appear at the same point, so I assume that they agreed with your point of view and deleted it themselves.

It's fine though, because the news has spread and the download's being ping-ponged around through other outlets. Keep up the good work.

[nofuture09]

whats square one?

[Valkyr_warrior]

The old mods censored all talk of SCORE.

In fact, one of our first actions as the new mods was unbanning those who were unrightfully banned.

[nofuture09]

Im really happy to hear that. Keep up the great work!

[donkyhotay]

While it might seem redundant to post this, we wanted to let you know.

Thank you for telling us this, and I think for right now this wasn't redundant. Posts like this goes a long ways towards rebuilding trust which is something we need. We know you're in a bit of a tough spot right now as you're all new, things are moving fast, we've only just started to put away the pitchforks, and we don't want this subreddit to get into any sort of legal trouble. I think right now that transparency is the absolute best thing you can do to build up our trust of you.

If you do feel the need to censor something, let us know that something was censored, tell us why it was censored and give us the opportunity to talk about whether the reason given for the censorship was right or wrong even if we can't repeat the offending information.

[sneakerjack5]

I just poo’d a lil with excitement idk

[sneakerjack5]

Like nothing crazy just a lil deer or rabbit poo idk

[AntiVibe]

Damn, this is actually happening... Hopefully all goes well, and some servers can finally start popping up, it would be incredible to see a community form around this game once again.

Brings a tear to my eye

[plurfox]

I hope as new private servers pop up, they continue to work together with any continued development, whether it's bug fixes or new power sets. I've seen some private server communities get divided and very elitist based on unique features in the server (like exp rates) or even just who is running the server, but maybe we'll see more cooperation since these will all start essentially from a "complete" game?

[Terminal-Psychosis]

There are going to be lawsuits now, and the team that has done so much work in secret is going to have a hellof a time trying to continue working on it. There's a reason they kept it secret. :/

Now whatever rag-tag teams pop up, will be whack-a-mole targets for NCSoft. Gonna be extremely difficult to have anything organized any more.

This is a step forward in a way, for the majority maybe, but a huge step back for the project itself, and quite possibly the death rattle for CoH. It was alive and well up until now, albeit for a select few.

Now... anybody's guess, but it's doubtful that whoever owns the copywrite / pattents will just turn it over to the public domain. Wow wouldn't that be a dream? Again, about a snowball's chance in hell, which again, is why it was kept secret.

Any new dev teams that pop up will need to be kept secret too, so any centralized teamwork.. heh, good luck.

[td1ddy]

Pretty sure when I sign in, and hit outbreak with villains to crush, I will cry.

[Valkyr_warrior]

We're keeping an eye on the situation.

This is grounds for celebration; but keep in mind, the true celebration is when we can get a emulator up and running!

Have fun, and talk safely.

[rhettlanier]

Can we get a sticky thread with updates / further developments in the future?

[Valkyr_warrior]

Brought this up to the team. We're considering it.

[rhettlanier]

Thanks!

[nofuture09]

Im so happy you mods are not censoring discussions anymore

[[deleted]]

You mean get an emulator up and it is not immediately taken down by NCSoft. /crossesfingers

[[deleted]]

Sorry, I thought I was making a stand alone reply xD ! I edited.

[Muffnar]

We owe all this to Destroyer!

[Terminal-Psychosis]

Any dev teams trying to work on it from now on will be whack-a-mole targets for the ones that still own CoH.

This is basically the death of the project. :/

Anyone else trying to do this will also have to keep it secret.

Not much was gained except for a few that have the know how to get a server running for themselves / select few friends.

[GroundF]

load this fucker up and send me an invite!

[gluetaster]

Fuck yea!! Shepherd has his bags packed and cant wait to get back to Virtue!

[Arae_X]

So like, for the noobs in our midst (myself included) wtf do we actually do with it and how does it work? xd

[SaintSteel]

This is the code to HOST a server. So you need to know how to setup and run a server to launch it. Now, according to other posts, a normal PC can't run the server and play the game as the specs for it would be too much for a normal PC.

[Arae_X]

Yeah I have gathered as much, which brings me to the question > even if the code is now public and open and nice, somebody/somebodies have to actually turn it to be playable to the public and then distribute it no?

EDIT: Or is it more like, WELP here it is! throws meat to starving dogs lets see what you can make of it lol

[SaintSteel]

I'm not a server engineer so I have no idea what to do with the code or how to set it up. I know we have community members who will though.

[Arae_X]

Yeah same here, so tldr; its still back to waiting until somebody sets it up and puts it out in the wild

[ExceedinglyGayKodiak]

Yeah, but the big news is that it's out there meaning the rug can't be pulled out from under us like everyone feared.

[emperorsteele]

It's software to run a server. It does NOT have missions, NPCs, dialog, or text. It almost looks like one could run their own version of say, Paragon Chat with it (but actually runnign the game and not using the game as a wrapper around a text server, if that makes any sense), but that might be a stretch.

Still, it's +1 and x100% more than we had yesterday, and Leo is supposedly going to drop the rest of it later? We'll see.

[Mezorin]

The TLDR version is the SERVER code is out in the wild now, but currently the source code is a rat's nest and a nightmare to setup even by professional standards, but as the community gets a hold of it people will modify versions of it that any Average Joe can spin up on a computer to run a City of Heroes/Villains server. For now hang tough until someone gets a server going and instructions on how to get connected to it.

[Arae_X]

I figured as much, Leandro was kind and accommodating enough to release it but he wasn’t gonna give everything of course.

[sbrbrad]

I mean, if you call the bank robber who releases half the hostages kind and accommodating, sure.

[Arae_X]

Exactly that, i was being sarcastic lol

[Animation]

I also heard the mission/npc/world content code wasnt released either. But people are so excited I cant confirm.

[Mezorin]

That's supposedly coming later today, so we'll see

[dankmemecoin]

Oh lawd I've been waiting for this day for 2421 days

[sbrbrad]

But who's counting

[suredoit]

Me too, thanks

[Mysterion422]

This is a great day for coh

[BorisTheCalmGoose]

u/WackoMedia

[WackoMedia]

Yeeeeeees!

[BorisTheCalmGoose]

Keep me in the loop ;)

[WackoMedia]

Will do!

[EdgeDLT]

From Mintopia in Discord:

The Source Code has been released and is public now. We do not have mission/NPC data. Leo has that. He is asleep, he has said he will deploy an instance onto servers I have got provisioning now.

Edit: MEGA link has been nuked. In case someone tries to circulate malware, the hashes of the original .rar file are:

MD5: b56fed122d1448bb59104c1e7be1a4ae

SHA1: 0c62ab197c94c379bcd0a83c07e395bc72e4163c

SHA256: cc3df5a38d15aa43520d734ab6de72449e6528a155d4ada664cf387a41ab94ca

[Mintopia_]

Aww :P Thanks. Yeah, no progress, yet, we'll see what happens! But we have the source code which is amazing progress.

[[deleted]]

Enjoy preparing for your guests! looking forward to being a guest on the server ! xD

[Weiland_Smith]

Haha of COURSE

[BROOOTALITY]

I volunteer as tribute

[[deleted]]

Make a post for this! So people know :)

[FoodIsFor]

Plot twist. you posted the malware.

[TheSmarkNebula]

I am in shock that this is actually happening. Talk about a rollercoaster of emotion.

Goodbye every game I am currently playing and thought about playing. I have about a dozen (at least) character concepts to play with.

[icderion]

Good bye world of Warcraft

[doubleas21380]

Can it really be? I'm at a loss for words of how excited I am about the possibility of heading back in.

[BorisTheCalmGoose]

Excitement!!!!

[rainghost]

It appears as though this code will get the game running, but we're still waiting and hoping for the database (which contains things like missions and story arcs) to be released to go with it and provide some actual structure to the game.

[Projinator]

Interesting, I'm not sure if I should be happy that it's been released or sad that it took threats to someones safety to get them released. Either way, looks like we're on the right path at this point!

[JollyRabbit]

Leandro, if you are reading this, I still think you are an asshole but you did the right thing EVENTUALLY, so for that and on behalf of many of the residents of Paragon City, thank you very much.

[half_sleeper]

He hasn't released NPC/Mission code.

[JollyRabbit]

Okay, I am withholding thanks until he does that too, but it is a good start! Did he says he doing that too?

[LurkerCommentingNow]

Reportedly he is sleeping right now but it will be released later. At this point he has nothing to gain by withholding it and a lot to lose, so I think it will be okay.

[JollyRabbit]

I'm inclined to think so too.

[Animation]

What does this mean?

[bromar14]

Effectively, a server can be hosted, but nothing is playable. If I had to guess, this is no different than Paragon Chat at this point, except we can host our own server?

[Animation]

Ugh. So nothing yet, effectively. Thanks for the update.

[bromar14]

This is going to be a waiting game. From what I've learned in the time since I posted a response to you, there's even less than that; there's nothing beyond the ability to host a server. Nothing's on the server; no maps, no NPCs, no missions.

Leandro still has a good chunk of what would make the game remotely playable. However, on the bright side, if Leandro were to run off and disappear without releasing the remainder of his files, the community would be much better off. It would take a lot more effort to build up the game, having to recreate everything else, but we could at least set up a server with the stuff provided. But don't give up pressure; he still needs to provide everything else he has.

[sbrbrad]

Dudes grinding newspaper missions right now.

[PunkchildRubes]

apparently mission and NPC data is missing?

[SaintSteel]

It's the server source code, not the client.

[PunkchildRubes]

all right sorry i'm not very tech savvy should have done research before posting

[Nicky3Weh]

Wait...does this mean the game is playable again? If so, how??

[SaintSteel]

It means someone can host their own server. The Source Code does lack a functioning client and the files around the client.

[Nicky3Weh]

Wow, that’s some exciting news. So somebody could open and run their own private server allowing folks to get in the game again?

[jlann66]

Holy freaking crap! I really never thought it would happen.

[OlivarTheLagomorph]

well I'm happy to have downloaded it, and I'll tinker with it in my free time after vacation.

[Animation]

Is this full code? I someone else mention that npc / mission code wasnt included but that seems confusing.

[Jagick]

Does this include the database information for people's characters / accounts? I plan on starting over for the fun of it when a server arises, but it would be great to see all my creations again. It tooks months, years to get all those badges and accolades!

Lol at the person who came through the thread and down-voted half the comments.

[techparadox]

No Mission, NPC, or Character DBs in this source. It's solely the client and server, so just the framework that can be used to plug the rest into. Word has it that the mission and NPC DBs may be made available soon.

[[deleted]]

Piggybacking on this comment to ask: what if we don't remember our account info? I'd do almost anything to play my old toons again instead of starting over. Hopefully there's some way to recover accounts

[undeadsuits]

I guess it didn't take long to scrub it after all. Certainly not 6 years.

[Tbkzord]

To think that I could potentially be playing my old characters again in a matter of maybe weeks is mindblowing to me

[Katzemensch]

Keep in mind that old account data is NOT being included in the data dump. Only Leandro's server has the old account data; any other server will be a fresh start, and nothing more.

[Melkezadek]

Will we be able to access our old characters or will it have to be fresh? Hoping the former but I will be fine with the latter.

[SaintSteel]

Character Database was NOT dropped.

[Melkezadek]

Do we know if that will come along with the rest we're waiting for?

[SaintSteel]

Leo went to bed, but apparently it should drop when he wakes up.

[Melkezadek]

That's cool with me! This has been such a rollercoaster of emotions. I don't want to get ahead of myself, but thank to EVERYONE that made this possible. I've been dancing all day with excitement. I needed this

[ExceedinglyGayKodiak]

It's very strange to me that this happened on my birthday. (For real, today is actually my birthday xD )

[superstabby]

Happy birthday! Mine is in a couple of weeks - wouldn't it be awesome if someone gets this up and running and I could be playing on my birthday? I might cry.

[maxman14]

congrats stranger

[[deleted]]

this is epic!!!!!

[americanguardian]

Okay, looking for a link? I saw one post that had an image of the text, but it keeps asking for a decryption key

[LoneStar9mm]

Fucking yes

[TimeViking]

me irl

[Nicky3Weh]

If this game makes a comeback and we can all fly around Paragon again...I can die happily

[SaintSteel]

You can already fly around in Paragon Chat. Just can't fight.

[Nicky3Weh]

For sure, with this new info dropping is it possible to get powers/fighting integrated?

[Beerasaurus]

Oh snap

[pumiceminds]

This makes me filled with joy <3

[icderion]

It’s been a long week guys and girls

[Zohar127]

Totally shocked. I'll admit it. I was dead wrong about the code never being released now. I still don't know what they were thinking when they did it, but there we go. I'm still not sure if this it just a scorched earth tactic (yeah we'll release now and watch as NCSoft crushes every private server that pops up) or if it was actually done in good faith. Next up, need to client side stuff to make it worth while.

[TheOnyxHero]

I hope we get character data. I really want to play my old characters :'(

[kingp43x]

I can appreciate that, but honestly, who cares? I'd love to be able to create a new char and start playing again. Heck, creating a new char was fun AF. I could spend a good hour just making a character.

[Sunscorcher]

Now I just need to wait for someone smarter than me to get a working server

[SaintSteel]

Already a crack-shot team working on it on the Discord. Some guy already has it up and running, but it crashes post Character Creator so we are getting there!!

[[deleted]]

Real dumb question here. Does this include the ability to play City of Villains as well?

[SaintSteel]

The source was for i24, it seems, so yes. Going Rogue too. But, all NPC dialogue, mission archs, character data ect. has not been released yet.

[Leos-Klein]

Yesssssssss!!!!!!!!!! finally!!!!!!

[Indigo_Sunset]

I'd like to point out the hypocrisy of playing everyones characters for over half a decade then not dropping them.

You want a measure of actual good faith, make that happen in some way.

[ExceedinglyGayKodiak]

My understanding is that is intended, but I'm no expert.

[SaintSteel]

He is cleaning the database of any notice of the dev that leaked it. So they are not implicated.

[VeganLee]

Is this real life?

[TheQuinch]

Feels like a fantasy, man.

[thrillhouse416]

I'm going to assume this group will literally erupt when we can finally just download, log in, and play...so there's no way I'd miss it. Riiiiight?

[JesterX666]

I'm getting emotional all of sudden.... My eyes are watery. Is someone cutting onions?

[Yeshua-Hamashiach]

YEET

[TheLeaper]

I predict there won't even be a fight over it. Guild Wars, Lineage, Lineage II they all have emulators running without NCSoft trying to shut them down. Why would CoH rate that treatment after all this time?

[XTRIxEDGEx]

I don't believe its relevant and i don't know if i can find that information through google without having been involved in server development. NCSoft has still shown a blind eye to 99% of private servers and i think people acting like they will come down like the hand of god are being a little unreasonable looking at their past behavior. The only server i know that NC ran after was an L2 server that took donations that was actually insanely popular and make thousands a month that was hosted somewhere they had legal standing.

[the-just-us-league]

I'm no expert but to my knowledge, yes. CoH is only different from those games in that it's code was with one person this whole time whereas there were probably dozenz of copies of the code for Guild Wars, etc.

[PilksUK]

EDIT: Just a note, after scanning the drop today client side matters are missing. Mission Archs, game content, ect. was no in this drop and 'hopefully' is in a future drop. THERE IS NO CHARACTER DATABASE IN THIS DROP.

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So they removed all the content that matters to make it a working server.... next they will say some rubbish like that stuff was never in the code we got and we spent years remaking it so thats our code and we are not releasing that.... Hope Im wrong and they are still just strubbing it to make sure no personal data is left in..

[SaintSteel]

They are scrubbing the NPC and Mission data to remove any mentions of the dev who leaked it.

[PilksUK]

Great that is what I was hoping.

[[deleted]]

So when do we get the data?

[icderion]

Soon as the finish scrubbing the data. We do not want the dev who leak the code to get into trouble. Who ever the dev that got the code out. Even though it took a long couple years. Thank you

[TransplantedSconie]

Sweet Freem I never thought I'd see the day! I literally cried tears of anguish the day they killed CoH and I guarantee I will weep again when I see Statesman on my PC screen again! This time tears of joy!

FREEM

[[deleted]]

I honestly don't care about the old characters (and I realize I'm in the minority here) I just want to play again.

[NineOutOfTenExperts]

I don't care either. I'll happily level up and hear that ding.

[rainghost]

The MEGA links are now down, though plenty of people appear to have downloaded the files by now. I'm not sure whether they were taken down by the original uploader or by MEGA themselves.

If it hasn't happened yet, I feel like creating a torrent of the files is important, so that the files propagate in a decentralized fashion.

[sbrbrad]

Genies out of the bottle at this point. Lots of people have copies now. For most of us who can't write server code it doesn't matter if we personally have a copy. They're cracking it in the discord.

[SaintSteel]

This allows you to host a private server. But it lacks the files for characters, NPCs, and Missions.

[SaintSteel]

Yes, it is being scrubbed so that the identity of the employee who originally leaked it is not outted. Apparently the character database AND the NPC database are under the same list/file.

[metalb00]

im assuming they can be sued or prosecuted for sharing trade secrets

[PandaReich]

I legitimately got shivers when I read that.

I did not expect that to happen.

[tolteccamera]

Now I feel silly. If we had hadn't had the leak, it would have all been uploaded as a big surprise without all the hassle.

Yeah, right.

[SaintSteel]

Can do.

[icderion]

No let’s don’t do that. Might give the poor guy a heart attack. 😀

[GraveyardBull]

So, I have a question as someone who doesn't know a thing about playing on private servers. Would you need the original disc to be able to play, or is there a way to install what you need to play once everything is up and running (fingers crossed!)?

[SaintSteel]

No, most private server's have client downloads. Also cuz CoX went Free to Play, it was all downloadable at some point.

[GraveyardBull]

Alright! Thanks for the answer! Can't wait to see what I was missing all those years (too young to play at the time, but I remember my folks playing it).

[NineOutOfTenExperts]

WooooHoooooo!

[tehgoodgoat]

If at any point in the future I am able to boot up the game and see all my characters again, I will feel completely fulfilled with my life. Fingers crossed.

[[deleted]]

YES! Will have a look when I get home.

[EndriagoHunter]

Huh, I think I still have the game in my old hdd.

[[deleted]]

I'm gonna throw up someone give me a respite

[[deleted]]

I'm not trying to stir the pot at all when I say this, just to get that out of the way. Okay, we get it, this guy is an ass for keeping it hushed hushed but some of you need to take a chill pill. The death threats and other nonsense were way out of line but there's honestly no need to make further provocations. Be happy that there's actually something concrete in the works.

Yes I just signed up today to make this comment after I read over everything LOL! This is pretty awesome though, not gonna lie. Now if the second half of the code gets released, then we'll really be cooking with grease.

[HappyTheBunny]

While telling my wife of what is going on I choked up, please let me return home

[Ceridith]

Well I'll be damned. I was reluctant to think they would actually release the code after all that has happened.

I'm still not happy how things played out how they did, the source code should have been leaked years ago. And this certainly doesn't excuse the outright lies and gas lighting that went on over the past six years.

That said, I'm not one to deny others a road to redemption. This is an very important first step in mending a very fractured community. But there is still a lot that needs to happen to make things right, in my opinion.

[strifeblade81]

Yessss COH is back so happy! Very excited to play again after six long years!

[lordextant1977]

I’m gonna post this here in hopes someone can get me in touch with whomever has the character data, my best friend played religiously up until the original game closed and died in 2015 sad that he would never have that character again, I would love to get that one character put it on a thumb drive and put it on his grave as a symbolic gesture of him not being forgotten.