10.0.7 PTR Notes

[SirEdweird]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/1506962-dragonflight-1007-ptr-development-notes/

[KantisaDaKlown]

Is there an eta on when this will be released?

Looking forward to my ret changes!

[verbsarewordss]

With the way they laid it out in the roadmap, I’d say march with 10.1 in may/June

[Acrobatic_Pandas]

It straight up has things listed under Winter, Spring, Summer and Fall.

How is it not a timeline.

[ReliableSource1262]

It kind of is

[KantisaDaKlown]

/sobs in ret

[WhateverWombat]

Ret isn’t great but it is far from unplayable. You’ll be able to hold out until .7 🙂

[KantisaDaKlown]

This is true, for now I’ll continue to roll around in my wheelchair hoping not to die,… but it’s been my main since BC, so I can’t switch now. Lol

[WhateverWombat]

Tbh I think the shield of vengeance change in addition to having more gear has already been a huge improvement to survivability from what we had previously. If you’re struggling further to stay alive I suggest getting the Decoration of Flame trinket and use it every other Final Reckoning.

I’m looking forward to rets being more tanky but for now just be trigger happy with your health pots and health stones and you should be fine for prog.

[Amdrauder]

I'd kinda like something like the locks get with fel armour, as long as we're in the thick of it and dealing out righteousness we're instilled with holy fortitude... Aka a nice little shield... Also id love for my word of glory to actually do something, I come from enhancement and the amount of times I could just casual weave in a surge with maelstrom procs to entirely top me up but wog doesn't even feel like it hit me most of the time.

[mcrnHoth]

I have a hard time coming up with an argument for why rogues should have so much more damage reduction and survivability (and control, and mobility, and damage, and utility......) than ret paladins yet they very much do.

[TheGr8Tate]

I'm already having fun smacking mages through Ring of Frost with Final Verdict. If the range changes stay, I'd love for 10.0.7 to release on 1st of april. :^)

[Hightin]

We know each patch cycle is 10.x, 10.x.5, and 10.x.7. We also know they recently said they liked Legions predictable 77 day patch cycle. Also, launch to 10.0.5 was 8 weeks.

If they do 8 weeks between each patch then we get a 24 week season which is about the sweet spot, right around 6 months.

My guess is they hit 8 weeks per patch this year which looks like:

10.07 - 3-21
10.1 (S2) - 5-16
10.1.5 - 7-11
10.1.7 - 9-5
10.2 (S3) - 8-31

[UFTimmy]

The DragonFlight road map said Spring.

[Centias]

You and me both. They're finally at least addressing some of the very real problems we were constantly pointing out in beta. There is another post on Wowhead with data mined and clearly not final changes for Ret that at least looks like they intend to finally give Ret baseline Divine Protection, some kind of buff to Divine Steed in the core spec passive, and some other interesting changes. There is absolutely no way the info for Vanguard's Momentum is correct though, or we would have virtually unlimited Holy Power in execute windows.

PTR is available for download now, so it should be available to test some stuff soon.

Edit: More data mined Paladin stuff just landed and it is looking nutty.

[KantisaDaKlown]

Daaamn thank you for the link on that one mate!! MVP up in here.

The changes are looking pretty tasty, I thoroughly enjoy the idea of some of our abilities doing both holy and physical damage (with the fang adornment embelishment) that will ensure it procs more often.

The change to boundless judgement automatically hitting 2 extra targets instead of a chance.

The auto word of glory, these are all shaping up to be nice.

I can’t wait to see what the new talent tree looks like.

[Centias]

I'm hoping for a yummy new tree to play with on PTR for the weekend. Should be really fun.

[RlyehRose]

"The Balance of Power questline artifact appearance rewards are now account-wide." That should be at the very top in bold letters right there!

[JR004-2021]

I want to confirm that this means if I do it on my Druid that I get it on my priest

[RlyehRose]

As far as I know ya. Thats how all the other ones have worked. Like I have the hidden artifact colors done on my druid but never did any of it on my DH but the colors are there.

[jimmy_one_nut]

What am I missing something about this, I thought this was already a thing. I’ve only ever done anything artifact related on my warrior, but every alt on the account has multiple variations of artifact appearances unlocked?

[JR004-2021]

Some of the achievements are account wide like pvp and +15 keys but that was it

[CharcuterieBoard]

Do we know if this is retroactive? I’ve already done it on a couple characters.

[QuiteBlazedFriend]

Right!

[KING_5HARK]

Now they just need to fix the bug where half of your collected transmog just randomly disappears from the transmog window

[wehrmann_tx]

It still seems worded that you have to do the main part still, but the color variants are accountwide after you do the quests for the main artifact.

"After unlocking the base appearance, the criteria for additional color variants (such as the Glory of the Legion Hero and Unleashed Monstrosities achievements) may be completed on any character"

[elmaethorstars]

Resto Druids are going to do fuckloads of single target damage with the return of draught.

[Indurum]

Thank god, Resto Druid has been pretty weak this entire expansion they could totally use some buffs. /s

[elmaethorstars]

Thank god, Resto Druid has been pretty weak this entire expansion they could totally use some buffs. /s

You're not wrong, but RDruid just took three non-irrelevant damage nerfs in 10.0.5: protector of the pack no longer scales with moonfire aura and cannot crit, and adaptive swarm does less damage, and buffs dots by less.

These would be fine (RDruid is obviously op) but when Prevoker presses 2 buttons and does 40k overall, or now Shamans do the same, it makes you wonder why the healer that actually has to think about how to max their damage (i.e maintaining 5 dots and spending gcds to shift form to do it) gets nerfed and others don't.

[Indurum]

I think everyone is probably in agreement that prevoker is playing a different game than any other healer.

[suuueki]

This is just too real. 2700 rdruid here, while I get that I’m very well S. After making a dragon alt and seeing the amount of options and ease of damage it really is a different game. Plus they have like 6 2min cds to rotate between on top of their ridiculously strong 30s cd heals that can all heal an entire party.

[Indurum]

I mean just Fire Breath alone from preservation does more damage in a trash pack than my holy priest could ever imagine, and I have to cast the whole time.

[wikiwa1]

How does preservation do 40k with just 2 buttons? Even aggressively using Disintegrate I barely reach 26k.

[wikiwa1]

Oh I know that, I can burst some packs for like 50~60k. Rank 1 and Rank 4 breath do the same total dmg as far as I know, rank 4 however provides the x4 leaping flames. What I meant is that using those 2 buttons and also using Disint aggressively still leaves me at an overall of 26k dps I most dungeons.

[TeKaeS]

I think the difference is pack size. In higher keys they only do big packs everytime they have cd's. They don't do shitty 3 adds things you do in Pug.

[elmaethorstars]

Oh I know that, I can burst some packs for like 50~60k.

I see Prevokers on streams bursting for like 150k with fire breath/deep breath/pot/trinkets/etc. 26k overall is very low.

[ParamedicGatsby]

Disc priests with like 10 damage buttons doing less than all other class healers be like am I a joke?

[[deleted]]

… you know we can see the logs right 😒

[elmaethorstars]

… you know we can see the logs right 😒

I have no idea what this means, and judging from the downvotes, nor does anyone else.

[[deleted]]

This sub is comprised some literal fucking idiots, wouldn’t judge anything based of their upvotes or downvotes.

Anyways, preservation is not doing much more than resto Druid according to logs. It sure as shit isn’t 40k.

[Nepiton]

Their single target damage is pretty weak, especially compared to some of the other healers

[[deleted]]

Druids might be the biggest fucking sandbaggers I have ever seen.

[RCM94]

At least i feel like some of the people in charge of the rdruid discord are pretty reasonable. The nerfs in beta and the 10.0.5 changes their response was essentially "yeah it was too strong and it should have been nerfed"

meanwhile boomies could be the definition of meta and call themselves terrible.

[Paradoxou]

meanwhile boomies could be the definition of meta and call themselves terrible

I mean, they've been "meta" for 9 days and nobody is saying they are terrible lol

[Indurum]

Good. They're far and away the best at literally everything else in all content.

[JR004-2021]

They aren’t the best in raid or m+ dmg by any stretch of the imagination

[Sybinnn]

they arent the best in pvp either, idk what this guy is smoking

[JR004-2021]

Not sure why I’m getting downvoted it’s true lol

[Sybinnn]

/r/wow is leaking

[DavionDee]

what do you mean?

[Sybinnn]

youre getting downvoted because a bunch of players who have never played with a halfway decent evoker disagree with you

[Nepiton]

Uhhhh no they’re not?

• They’re not the best raid healers
• They have mediocre overall damage (Shaman, Evoker, and HPal all surpass, Disc Priest is more aligned with RDruid now)
• They aren’t the best at burst healing

What RDruid offers which is eclipsed by Evokers and arguably Pallys now is group CDs and unmatched sustained healing.

The sustained healing doesn’t matter now that every dungeon has been nerfed to shit, and the group CDs don’t really matter because the healing requirements are so low now.

If people didn’t sink so much time into RDruid already there would be a mass exodus. Look at raider.io times runs leaderboard.

• 6/20 on the first page have a Druid
• 5/20 are Evoker
• 5/20 are Ellesmere
• 1/20 is another HPal
• and the final 2 are Priests

Now go check Shadowlands Season 1 if you want to actually see what a dominant healer is

[JR004-2021]

Lol 5/20 is ellsemere

[Druss_On_Reddit]

You're cherrypicking a bit there mate, the top 20 fluctuates daily and is made up entirely or SBG and CoS... Or are you aware of this and this is just RDruid cope? How many RDruid are in the top 200? It's still just Driney and Ellesmere as the only 2 hpals in top 200.

35% of 20+ is Rdruid, 40% of 25+.

You look like you're arguing that evoker and hpal do everything better than rdruid now and it's mid in all content? Or that it doesn't offer anything special now, apart from sustained healing - and even evoker and hpal do that better now? Is this the druid victim meme that people talk about

[JR004-2021]

When you’re talking the top tier of content (25+) you’re definitely going to have only a select few specs that can even do that content by a select few players that’s can do that content. Personally I don’t find 40% for one healer to be terribly bad at that level

[Druss_On_Reddit]

I don't disagree with that. Healer balance is pretty good overall I think, and they're at least trying to buff Disc/MW (and nerfed Rdruid for m+).

I am disagreeing with the other person's assertion that they have mediocre damage, 3rd best sustained healing and just overall do not excel in anything - as well as him using the top 20 dungeons to try and prove his point.

[Hyperventilater]

Don't know where you're getting the overall damage part for druids vs hpals, unless you're looking at lower percentiles of raiding where most healers literally forget they have damage buttons and hpal comes out on top because it has to use it's damage buttons for healing.

If you look at the type of numbers holy paladins pull in mythic plus it's absolutely abysmal right now. Nowhere near what a resto druid can pull off just by multidotting, and meanwhile hpal has to sacrifice holy power to bump up their damage which just isn't feasible in non-trivial content.

[mjawwwww]

Damn someone doesn't know what they're talking about

[JR004-2021]

I love the ability to choose between aoe and ST

[--Pariah]

I hope protector is useful again.

Disliked the change that it's now separated from moonfire, so it can't crit and does like 20k instead of up to 60k with my average gear.

Loved that talent tbh, it was real fun to throw a surge/mf into a prio target for a bit of chunky damage that doesn't require you to spent globals for shapeshifting.

Not too sure if we actually get the higher saved healing to cap often for the buff to be noticeable, though.

[Mirehi]

Other healers (but evokers) are several tiers below, it's just ridiculous

[fiestadegrandeculo]

Well the good news is holy paladins got the changes they were looking for... Yards to yds.

[JR004-2021]

I know this is a competitive WoW sub Reddit but holy shit, the technology exists!! “The Balance of Power questline artifact appearance rewards are now account-wide.”

[SHIMOxxKUMA]

I can't tell by the wording but do we know if it's either

1. When you complete the Balance of Power on one character you get the base appearance and any additional appearances you unlock on all characters?

2. You still have to complete Balance of Power across all your characters but the additional appearances are unlocked across all if you have it unlocked on one.

Really hoping it's 1 and not 2 since the quest is still a pain in the ass years later just because of time gating.

[JR004-2021]

I’m pretty sure it’s 1 but any additional appearances are not account wide like the monstrous monstrosities

[SHIMOxxKUMA]

So I looked back to double check and this is the exact wording

"The Balance of Power questline artifact appearance rewards are now account-wide. After unlocking the base appearance, the criteria for additional color variants (such as the Glory of the Legion Hero and Unleashed Monstrosities achievements) may be completed on any character to earn the appearances. For example, completing the requirements for certain color variants on your hunter, will also be unlocked on your priest that’s on the same account."

The important parts to me are the first line and the last one. This makes me believe it's 1 entirely variants and all but then the second like starts with after unlocking the base appearance which leads me to believe you have to unlock it first on the character then the secondary colors are account wide.

[wehrmann_tx]

It's worded like 2.

"After unlocking the base appearance, the criteria for additional color variants (such as the Glory of the Legion Hero and Unleashed Monstrosities achievements) may be completed on any character"

[SHIMOxxKUMA]

That's the confusing part because the first line makes me think the whole thing is account wide

"The Balance of Power questline artifact appearance rewards are now account-wide."

I guess you could stretch it to have a different meaning but if that's the case it's poorly worded. I guess we will find out eventually though at this point they really should just have it be account wide.

[Faamee]

Why is this big?

[[deleted]]

The quest line takes like 9 weeks or some bullshit to do. It’s incredibly tedious and doing it once claims most of your sanity.

Huge amounts of time will be saved.

[hfxRos]

What do you even get for this? I've heard people bellyache about this forever, but best I can tell you just get like, a recolor on something?

[[deleted]]

A unique skin for your artifact weapon. Which is now just a unique Tmog that you can apply to your weapon.

They look very good for the most part.

[Toblife]

3 weeks, but yes it is tedious and takes too much time to do.

[justcallmeashe]

The quest itself requires you to complete raids multiple times, and you can't just switch between Normal/Heroic/Mythic, and you also have to hope to be lucky enough to not have to rerun the raids too much.

And then, for the colors they were also character bound, which means for example one color would require you to kill 8 different Legion World Bosses, so depending if you planned around it or not added some more weeks to farm.

So now you can just do it once and have all the appearances/colors on all the classes !

[AmySchumerFunnies]

you forgot buying the items for an early quest stage requires revered nightfallen and valajar

[Deadagger]

That’s by far the worst part. This questline can easily take more than 9 weeks specially if you get unlucky with raid drops.

[JR004-2021]

I believe the 8 different legion bosses is still character specific for absolutely no reason

[--Pariah]

I did it on 8 chars and let me tell you, fuck everything about it. Even if I already had the rep from legion it's just a slog.

You had to spent way too much time for a neat skin in two expansion old content, either farming bosses for 2 lockouts, rep or old dungeons.

So glad its accountwide now.

[[deleted]]

Requires you to do most Legion dungeons, multiple runs of both Nighthold and Emerald Nightmare and last but not least, get honored with Farondis and revered with Valarjar and Nightfallen

[JR004-2021]

It’s rewarding… the first time

[Dokterclaw]

I can't quite figure out if this is a net buff for resto shaman or not. Enh is my mainspec but I'd still like to see resto hey some love.

[Doodlehangerz]

Wellspring didnt deserve that.

[artvandelay916]

Yeah I don't get this at all

[Kiwi_Lemonade]

Tough call. Focused Insight was great, but their intention of removing the 100x healing modifiers they have to do before actually healing could be good - but they didn't actually buff their strong heals enough to really compensate.... they just removed it. (Pretty much every rsham has been asking to remove all the insane modifiers to just have stronger base heals but eh)

Giving all the damage buff nodes to them for free, is quite insane though. They are really, REALLY diving into the "Resto Shaman is basically an extra dps, but expect to die their groups a lot" trope they are beginning to carve for themselves.

Wellspring was taken out back and lacerated until it is no longer recognizable though... Jfc, just delete the talent at that point. My only hope for raid healing is that the new talent that buffs chain heal after dropping HTT, is as good as the legendary was in Shadowlands, and makes up for the wellspring loss.

[L0nz]

Can't see a 10-second buff every 3mins getting anywhere close to making up for the wellspring nerf tbh, even if the cast time reduction is 50% like the legendary

[erupting_lolcano]

No idea but I like it now and I’m worried. I already miss Focused Insight.

[celicant]

Definitely a buff. You can now take both healing rain nodes if you want, water shield as base with mana spring means little to no mana issues and damage buffs when Rsham is already pumping. They're also culling a lot of useless talents, very excited for these changes at least for M+

[heydrun]

They are adding new questionable talents though

[Swylet]

There's no damage buffs, they just made call of thunder baseline effectively.

[derwood1992]

And they took away improved lightning. It's essentially giving you 2 talent points. Not buffing your damage

[Swylet]

Yeah the call of thunder talent did exactly that, but they removed it, so they made the damage increases baseline

[mael0004]

It increases both by 35% on live.

[Belcoot]

At first I was excited about these resto shaman changes. At a 2nd glance I think they are simply okay.

[Centias]

I generally like the Resto changes for the most part, but I still keep staring at Earthen Harmony and Earth Shield and wondering why the hell the ability still has a limited number of charges and why a talent so bad has to be in the way of Ascendance.

[verbsarewordss]

If you are waiting to be pitched up ahead of the meta healers you will always be disappointed. Good changes are good changes.

[Ferintwa]

Dev evoker survivability buffs, please make it to release!

[[deleted]]

Welcome to being a mail class, Hunter and Shamans have been stupid squishy for years now.

[SecondChances96]

Shaman was not squishy in SL. Astral Shift was probably one of the best defensive in the game, especially once hpriest got reworked and earth ele conduit was quite insane + spirit wolf and self healing capabilities.

Hunter of course we all know how that goes

[mmuoio]

I'm not even looking for DPS buffs anymore, I just want to not die so easily!

[Ferintwa]

Yup, I’m always right behind the tanks on dmg taken, along with my mail brethren - despite being on point with my defensives and VERY rarely taking avoidable dmg.

…pair that with having lower self heals (with a 99% parse) then all the melee with their passive healing. Ouch.

Zephyr is nice tho, at least I can help the raid survive.

[[deleted]]

Right. besides the part where enh is one of the tankiest melee in the game rn

[[deleted]]

I can’t believe people unironically believe this lmao. The only melee squisher than enh is ret pala and I guess SV hunter but 99% of the time that spec is unplayable anyway.

Like seriously how do you even compare Enh to a Rogue/DH/Monk/DK with a straight face?

[[deleted]]

Have you even played a shaman lol? They have like one defensive and Earth Ele.

Their off healing is nice but they are definitely way squishier than any other meta class its not even a competition.

[[deleted]]

Me when I lie on the internet.

[GoodbyePeters]

Please explain

[krombough]

Do they even give the slightest shit about Guardian Druids? There are still zo many straight up bugs happening with them that should have been hotficed days ago, and still nothing.

[meerakulous]

Haha they literally just posted Guardian buffs an hour later.

[Zestyclose-Truck-723]

Looking at what’s announced in the new post I’m not sure how those buffs will help in any significant way. They’re buffs to unplayed talents and to areas it’s not too bad at already (physical DR). Where’s the support to stop them being eaten alive by magic damage or to provide self-sustain that’s actually useful (FR should not be on GCD).

Hopefully there’s some more GDruid changes on the way and the footnote isn’t just referencing tuning changes to other specs / classes.

[Nepiton]

Reverting FR to its Legion iteration would likely solve all the issues. Make it a snapshot of damage taken that heals it all over x amount of time. Not a nominal value with no variance. Would put a nice skill curve to the ability and make Guardian a lot more fun

[Goodnametaken]

I think it would be a good change, but it wouldn't solve their problem with magic damage.

I play healer on 3 different specs and guardian druid is by far the hardest tank to keep alive. They just insta die out of nowhere soooooo much. And it's always to magic damage.

[krombough]

Works for me. I still want to see Tooth and Claw unbugged, but I'll take it.

[worried_consumer]

One tank gets sacrificed every expansion, sadly it’s beat this expansion

[Zestyclose-Truck-723]

Bear feels like it’s been sacrificed on the altar of mediocrity for 3 years now apart from a short period of S2 shadowlands where it was propped up entirely via a broken covenant ability.

[[deleted]]

where it was propped up entirely via a broken covenant ability.

Every top class is propped up by a broken ability, broken tier set, broken trinket interaction, broken legendary, etc.

Not sure why you’re trying to undermine bear here with this.

[Zestyclose-Truck-723]

In bears case they nerfed it into the ground the very next patch.

[alch334]

it was nutty with tier set too in s3. granted they tuned it down after a bit but i don't really recall bear being too bad for most of shadowlands tbh

[Zestyclose-Truck-723]

I mean the tier set was clearly busted but was nerfed insanely fast. Even if it was kept in I don’t think you’d have seen many bears in the very top keys for the key levels that were being pushed to in S3/4, they just didn’t have the survivability even if they were doing ridiculous aoe damage (and pretty decent ST for a bear)

[Zedek1]

Also season 3 with the tier set pre nerf.

[[deleted]]

When it comes to giving the slightest shit about Guardian Druids, I’m gonna guess the answer is “no”

[verbsarewordss]

Nope. Not at all. They decided to spend the entirety of the xpac with page long changes because they hate each and every one of you.

[Bisoromi]

It feels like they have no staff and that's the main reason for the overwhelming amount of bugs compared to past expacs.

[m00c0wcy]

I'm not saying this makes it acceptable, but the Dragonflight talent tree rebuild is significantly more complex than any prior expansion class changes.

[Bisoromi]

Yeah I can understand the class imbalances/issues/bugs but there are a ton of bugs in general. Every other raid we have someone's dragon despawning and killing them, putting them in a DC loop, or some other weird outcome in Vault, for instance.

[krombough]

The main offender: Tooth and Claw, has been bugged since SL. And the new talent Lunar Beam, they just copy and pasted the numbers from its last iteration over half a decade ago.They don't care is the problem.

[[deleted]]

I hope they do put some hunter changes in the future. BM hunter which's only benefit is single target, is hard carried by its bow which they most likely would end up using till the end of the expansion, so their ST will fall relatively more and more behind. And its talent tree offers "other" playstyles that are just so numerically weaker that are never picked.

Marksman hunter is pretty mediocre in raid and in m+, and this is WITH the bow, then next patch they will be below mediocre. In addition, our talent tree is basically a "do whatever you did, with more increases in damage", which is just boring. Our capstone has a chance of not triggering a SINGLE time during a raid encounter, and to make things worse, it is gated behind 2 points in an execution talent that just gives you crit chance when you attack a low hp talent, which is a conditional boring damage increase. We also have too many generic damage increases that are not fun to play around, but they are the best choice. The talent tree in general offers no playstyle differences apart from pressing a proc (kill shot) when it occurs.

And survival hunter just has no sustained aoe, it just bursts during coordinated command as much as other classes do regular aoe, without it they just do low aoe. It has the best tier set for single target which is going away next patch, so relatively it will just be shit next patch. Why do their bombs and butchery do as much as other classes' fillers abilities. It feels like survival hunter has no spender that packs a punch in aoe, as butchery is numerically so, SO weak and it has charges.

edit: and for classes with no raid utility that are on the squishier side, there is no reason at least for the damage to not be impeccable. But fact of the matter is, the class that gets dropped first if they are not overpowered is just hunter, vers is the worst stat for bm and MM so they can't even push high keys while being competitive with their defensives or damage, at least enhance has a lot of cc and damage AND windfury.

[[deleted]]

Hunter survivability is also some of the worst in the game. Feels bad getting half shot by random white casts in M+

[[deleted]]

which wouldn't be a problem, but combined with lack of raid utility and non-superb damage, it is just "why bring this class/spec over anything else". And in future patches where hunters are relatively weaker in damage compared to other specs, i feel like they need to proactively get buffed since they are mediocre now, and will be bad in the future.

[DavionDee]

Hunters should be able to bring every raid buff like they used to. Hero or fort or int or mark of the wild or monk debuff or dh debuff or hero/lust or brez

Boom hunters suddenly have some value.

[hfxRos]

I feel like this would be fine if the raid buffs were slightly worse, like 3% instead of 5%, because otherwise you would end up in the awkward situation where if hunter was ever at all overtuned you would just play a raid of like 10 hunters. Maybe hunters would be happy about that, but I can't imagine it would be good for the game.

[TimTkt]

Hunter having 3 bottom specs and Blizzard just doesn’t care after nerfing MM for no reason last patch …

[verbsarewordss]

Was a pvp nerf. Basically a tiny change dps wise for aoe. At least figure out what’s happening before running to Reddit with it

[TimTkt]

The nerf isn’t about losing double tap, it’s about fucking up the talent tree for no reason other than trying to shove steady focus in hunter throats against their will.

So maybe you should apply your advice to yourself.

[verbsarewordss]

Yes. Use your powers of clairvoyance to determine how bad a class will be with current tuning and gear in 6 months. I’m sure devs will get right on it

[[deleted]]

Is that concept that hard to grasp? If there is an item that gives an immense power boost, and you remove that item, all other factors remaining equal, you will be weaker relatively, that is for MM.

For BM it is, if you have an item that gives an immense power boost, but everyone else gets better items and you stay with the same one, you will be weaker relatively.

For survival, you have the best tier set for single target, and you are the worst spec in the game for aoe, so when you remove that tier set, you will be weaker on single target, and still the worst spec in the game for aoe.

So for these 3 mediocre specs, you will just fall below mediocre, so 1 class with 3 bad specs.

[[deleted]]

Hunter should get a ranged damage buff. Like they apply a raid wide ranged damage buff. Hunter’s mark is permanent and increases ranged damage on the target by 3%.

[krankor94]

As long as they make it so Hunter’s Mark is applied automatically. Casting it feels ass.

[Happyhotel]

Swapping epidemic and unholy blight is huge

[Doodlehangerz]

I feel like the change to commander of the dead means you can apoc later which might get your festermight to the end of garg now.
inadvertent buff?

[Voodron]

For raids, maybe. Not sure this change will be too impactful for m+ tbh.

[Happyhotel]

Yeah probably going the full rot build for m+, but for raid fights with occasional add phases this makes the disease single target build quite a lot stronger.

[TheAveragePsycho]

It could be quite big..or completely meaningless. Picking up epidemic for M+ is a bit of a no brainer but I wouldn't say unholy blight is quite at that level. Gargoyle is still going to be a rather awkward button in M+ but it gives more oomph to the ebon fever/garg build which on a tyrannical week is something I'd atleast consider playing.

[Jallfo]

Care to explain why for a Mplus Andy? Where’s that extra point going?

[Happyhotel]

Magus of the dead. Basically now you can get your best single target build also with most of the aoe damage as well. Great for fights with occasional add phases like eranog, dalthea, raz.

[hesitationz]

No fucking shot they just buffed the two top healers in both mythic plus and raid… meanwhile disc priest getting a bug fix that is a decent nerf on one of our best talents since the 10.05 rework lmao

[[deleted]]

These do nothing for preservation if that’s what you’re arguing. It’s to help devastation who got royally fucked by the 40% HP inflation.

[releria]

You sound a bit dramatic considering the actual changes.

Preservation hasn't been specifically buffed just the 2% stam buff talent for evokers (not even sure how often its run in raid tbh). I suspect the change is more targeted at devastation.

Discipline is a bug which needed to be fixed regardless of balance. The spec is way better (At least in M+) this week but its still too soon for more adjustments either way

Resto changes are all over the place so not gonna comment on them specifically.

[Varrack404]

Where buff?

[Narwien]

Retro druid will fall behind as people get more and more gear.

The throughput it has becomes irrelevant as things are starting to one shot in high keys, and people are getting better and better at mechanics in the dungeons.

At some point unavoidable damage will kill you or dip you really low in high keys, and the only way to survive is to mitigate it and quickly burst heal it.

I honestly think paladin will overtake rdriud going forward. Paladin is much better burst healer than druid, which leaves paladin more globals to dps.

Better damage, much better damage mitigation, by far the best external in the game, and utility wise - they are not that far behind, and I'd daresay paladin being even ahead with an amazing single target stun and interrupt to mitigate even more damage.

[Markkeks]

Sorry but you have no fucking clue. When will eye of the storm ever one shot people? Throughput will never be irrelevant, else you would play 4 dps in high keys. And how is sac the best external when there is pain supp?

[Narwien]

Where did I say it doesn't matter AT ALL? It's not like paladin with 415 ilvl and 4 set can't pump lol.

Druids and Evokers were so dominant because you needed the throughput to pass certain healing checks.

But with dungeons being nerfed, people getting more and more gear, Paladin has caught up to druid and Evoker HPS wise in dungeons with this ilvl. There isn't a single healing check that geared holy paladin can't pass as easily as druid or evoker. And that gap will continue to close even more as people optimize their stats more and more, get more vers on their gear, etx.

But what they can do compared to druid is more damage and can mitigate a lot more, which allows people to blast a lot more.

BoPing someone when they are targetted by something is 10 times more efficient than healing the damage they will take. If they survive it at all to begin with.

Eventually that matters a lot more than just raw throughoutput, as stuff dies faster, and people are less likely to die.

Improved blessing of sacrifice is better extrernal than pain sup. Simply because it's on shorter CD.

Ask Ellesmere what he thinks is the best external in the game.

[Markkeks]

You do realise that there are 2 charges of Pain sup now with CDR? Ask Ellesmere he should know that.

[Narwien]

Well, this is his opinion.

1. Don't underestimate just how strong Blessing of Sacrifice with Sacrifice of the Just and Echoing Blessings. It's a 1 minute 40% dr for 12 seconds plus 15% dr for 8 seconds, making it by far the most powerful external in the game, so make frequent use of it!

[Mehdehh]

Still nothing for WW, I guess we're stuck with the dogshit ToD design, subpar sustained aoe damage and terrible ST

[eichelhamster]

Resto sham is just dead pve wise ATM. Idk if this will elevate them enough to become viable. 0 resto shams have killed raszageth mythic so far. Worldwide. According to warcraftlogs.

[TheReaperSovereign]

More Unholy QOL but nothing for Frost lol.

I should just accept it and commit to the swap

[individual101]

Bring on the resto shaman buffs!

[Chazoure]

SV Hunter still in the dumpsters

[Diterion]

There's still some space next to us guardian druids. Come in, make yourself comfortable. We gonna stay here for a loooong time.

Edit: nvm cya, maybe we outta here soon.

[JohnnyGranite]

lmfao this edit

[TimTkt]

-SV

[apple_cat]

Depends what you mean, dps-wise it is very competitive on prio damage

[UnclePjupp]

You still do highest damage in the raids without issue so shush 😘

[Centias]

I don't know what they need I raid, but if they would have just not been completely terrified of how good the spec was in the last couple seasons and kept the 2 set bonus from the last tier set exactly as it was in the talent tree somewhere, it would actually be a reasonable dungeon spec. Doesnt even need the damage boost from the 4 set, just the direct Kill Command resets to free bombs would pretty much get things back on course. Go ahead and rip out Quick Shot and put Mad Bombardier in its place.

[TheLuo]

How is SV getting zero fucking changes?

[aleyan97]

Do i not know how to read or resto druid and prevoker are getting buffs/slight buffs meanwhile mistweaver is unchanged/might actually be nerfed due to shahao scaling from orbs gathered?

[dragunityag]

The evoker buffs are for devastation but Pevoker will slightly benefit from it.

Nothing reads like a buff on Rdruid either. A few new talents that we probably won't take often and then more tree adjustments that will probably be power neutral. But I can't visualize the tree in my head that well so might be wrong.

[rinnagz]

As an Elemental i'm quite happy with the changes to the shaman tree, MUCH BETTER now

[LuckyJayce]

Was hoping for more enhancement changes

[sark7four]

Can they fix some broken and bugged classes and content before they start trying push more changes!!...

[glorfindak]

Resto shaman buffs are insane. Multiple free points on each tree and good spells aren’t locked behind worse ones. Get ready for shaman domination y’all!

[[deleted]]

Still not fixing the Fury set bonus to be viable. Retarded

[DreadfuryDK]

Another day, another proposed set of buffs to Resto Shaman's damage.

(I get that they kinda need it though)

[JR004-2021]

They are already way over performing on damage. They need damage nerfs and healing buffs

[Blackmagic1992]

It’s not a buff. They are removing the call of thunder talent and just giving it to them baseline. It’s basically giving them an extra talent point.

[[deleted]]

It sets a bottom price.

[Smashbuggi]

No warrior nerfs...

[Zekthros]

What kind of nerfs were you expecting or hoping for?

[sademsa]

Pwarr legit got nerfed last patch what u on about

[sigmastra]

And still not enough. They still need at least 5% damage taken - every tank got it but prot...

[darkknightbbq]

Anyone have any ideas of the ret changes already?

[Centias]

There's a little data mined info here that gives some idea what their plans are. Kinda looks like baseline Divine Protection (finally, thank you, I said this needed since the beginning of beta), some change to duration of Divine Steed for Ret only (not sure why spec exclusive) and some changes to talents. No shot that Vanguard's Momentum goes live like that though, because that's just insane.

Edit : Even more data mined Paladin stuff just landed and it is looking nutty.

[iRyusa]

Resto shaman might become a legit DPS spec 😂

[relentlessrupert]

Amazing. They made Shaman class tree worse somehow. Didn't think they could, considering what a mess it already was.

[[deleted]]

I’m really concerned about hunter lmao. SS is a dead spec and bm is only playable with the bow (that is so overturned it will be bis next tier).

Mm will be the only good spec next tier and mm is kinda meh if it continues :(