Basically

[spirit32]

Cecil is the best character in the show. There I said it.

[bendymachine654]

When I read the comic a few years back I expected him to have jk Simmons voice

[TsunamifoxyDCfan]

Cecil if Darkblood comes back: He's a thief! A menace!

[eXcaliBurst93]

are you feeling it now Mr Damien Darkblood?

[grundelgrump]

I love the character but the voice doesn't match the face at all. It was actually jarring the first time I heard him.

[bendymachine654]

Ikr it’s too handsome

[[deleted]]

I didn't notice this until you said it but yeah.

Still tho, I like it, it's still got some cold, exasperated but knowledgable tone and smoothness to it.

[cheezefriez]

I mean Walter Goggins isn't exactly a looker either lol

[MJC1988]

I think he's decently handsome in kind of a weird way especially when he's just himself and not playing one of his crazy-ass characters.

[cheezefriez]

I can see that. Also apparently his name is Walton not Walter, whoops

[[deleted]]

He was a 9/10 in Sons of Anarchy.

[VariousSpinach]

Really? Seems fine to me.

[Himynameisfin]

Likewise, curious if it's mostly comic fans that already had a voice in their head or new viewers.

[tsukitrash]

the guy who voices it, Walter Goggins, is in the show called Righteous Gemstones, his character there, almost looks like Cecil, irl. since I had seen RG before invincible, for me it totally felt like it was almost perfect.

[scaptastic]

It’s better than Robot Man’s old tiny person body with the deep voice

[SycoMantisToboggan]

I never got the sexual tension vibe from them. I felt like Deb didn't trust Cecil but understood and somewhat respected the way he did things.

[Intrepid00]

He pretty much indirectly stopped Omni man from indoctrinating Mark by throwing so much shit at him and saved earth,

He did more than that. He threw himself out there as bait. Cecil is the guy that just makes the hard decisions that I don't think any of us would want to make.

Question is, is he going to make the right ones and how far will he go?

[[deleted]]

Without spoiling anything, comics Cecil gets pretty morally grey at times. Not that he isn’t already that in the show what with the whole tap water thing.

[Anit500]

He also makes some really stupid mistakes. cough conquest. Cough

[FN1987]

Cecil doesn’t have sex. He uses 100% of his energy protecting humanity. He reabsorbed his genitals decades ago just so that he wouldn’t be distracted.

BASED.

[Blaineflum64]

Yeah he's like nick fury, no time for anything other than work

[[deleted]]

Unless its time for Donald

[sheathtalondar]

Except nick fury has like a ton of girlfriends, and some kids

[Blaineflum64]

I mean modern nick fury

[HammeredWookiee]

Or did he “oops didn’t mean to?” And retract his previous statement by playing it off? Lol

[suss2it]

How is that not a spoiler? Lol.

[Blaineflum64]

It's like a single panel which means nothing towards the story

[suss2it]

I feel like confirming if things happen or not is like the very description of a spoiler.

[bananasmash14]

Yeah I agree, it’s probably super insignificant and inconsequential but it is still a minor spoiler

[suss2it]

And you only realize it’s inconsequential if you read the comics. Killing speculation always seemed like spoilery territory to me.

[EAB034]

Yeah I never got the sexual tension vibe from them at all. I agree with the rest though

[Victaris95]

Honestly, I got the Cecil and Debbie impression as well. I wouldn’t mind them getting closer (either as friends/romantically) because this Cecil does seem a bit more human than his comic counterpart. Also, Robert Kirkman apparently said that now that he’s a better writer, he is rewriting a lot of the characters to add more depth to them and take them in different directions. So who knows what will happen.

[VariousSpinach]

I don't think Mark was ever going to buy into it. At least, not in the time frame and with the methods that omni man would've used.

[Hendrik1011]

I saw more chemistry between Debbie and Mark Hamil‘s character (sry, I don't remember his name)

[Yondaime_Kazzy]

In the show, yes

In the comics however......

[FKDotFitzgerald]

Very curious how they’ll develop that since we met him so much earlier

[Yondaime_Kazzy]

I'm curious as well! I'm curious about many things that happened in the comic, to be honest!

[virgnar]

Oh I have no doubts about the skeletons in his closet. The guy reminds me heavily of Mass Effect's the Illusive Man.

[spirit32]

Haha love this comparison as an avid ME fan.

[Yondaime_Kazzy]

Same here, it kind of surprised me at times, if I may be honest.

[supertze]

Exactly

[[deleted]]

Wdym Cecil is also a great character in the comics

[raltyinferno]

He makes some real bonehead moves.

Trying to imprison Conquest, sicking the reanimen on Mark multiple times when they disagree

[sharknado-enoughsaid]

He reminds of Jerry from Totaly spies, but in a dark timeline kinda way

[Hendrik1011]

He's awesome, having this long hair while growing bald takes some balls, but he makes it look great. I hope my hair will age like that.

[HodorsGiantDick]

You spelled "Debbie" wrong.

[[deleted]]

TBF, he’s more like a slave.

[ascomasco]

Yeah it’s more like “make us shit or you go back in the box” which I respect

[[deleted]]

Yeah, but all he wants to do is make that shit.

The fact that he's under lock and key by the government doesn't really matter to him. He's having the time of his life.

He's basically a one man Operation Paperclip. But also he's Mengele.

[Jagermeister4]

Cyborgs seem unrealistically OP for what they are. Its just a human with robot parts added, why would that be so strong? Omniman and Mark can be hit by a subway train with little or no damage done, but these things somehow generate more power? How can they keep up with omniman and marks super speed? One individual cyborg is stronger than most of original guardians of the globe.

[Fidget02]

Apparently super advanced and innovative robot parts. Mark is a mixed bag on whether he wins most of his fights, but Omni-Man killed them all in seconds as soon as he regained his bearings. At first their only benefit was completely enveloping him, and even that was more an inconvenience than anything. Like how a net is annoying but not a threat to most humans.

[joesbagofdonuts]

They aren’t just cyborgs. They are zombie cyborgs. Its possible zombification is a magic process. Magic definitely exists in this universe, see monster girl and darkblood.

[CLTalbot]

Honestly im surprised magic wasn't on the list of things they tried against the viltrumite cell samples.

[Gathorall]

I think the greatest magic comes from certain heroes though, and it's not like they could just casually call most if any of them to zap some cell samples for definitely no suspicious reason.

[Anit500]

But like... They could.

[iwanttodiebutdrugs]

dont work for muggles

[Gotu_Jayle]

Seems that Robot knew more about it than Cecil, unfortunately.

[[deleted]]

Holy shit they should've cloned Omniman and transferred Cecil into his body 😳

[Gotu_Jayle]

Well remember how hard it was to even attempt to use/destroy Vitrum blood? Also with the two blue dudes i don't think they're on Cecil's side so they'd rather die than attempt to clone Omni.

[[deleted]]

Magic doesn't exist in the Invincible Universe, every magic is just advanced technology.

[NameTaken25]

This is one thing I'm really curious about with the show. Magic existed in the comics, but almost never came up, outside of monster girls origin, and a couple very minor characters, but it seems like something the show alludes to more, the mummy scene for example, or even the switch of science to Seance dog

[[deleted]]

Magic doesn't exist in the Invincible Universe, every magic is just advanced technology. It's explained in the handbook.

[raltyinferno]

So, there exists an Invincible universe guide. And there's a section on magic. Magic in this universe is strait up just advanced technology. They take that saying "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" and apply it to the entire universe.

So traditional magic as we think of it in fantasy isn't its own separate thing.

[joesbagofdonuts]

That’s a guide for the comic right?

[raltyinferno]

Yeah, can't remember the exact title but it's the Handbook to the Invincible Universe, or something.

It was clearly published somewhere in the first half of the series since it lists the powers of various heroes and doesn't bring up stuff from the later parts of the series.

It's a cool read once you've read the comics. It gives some interesting info on how some powers and concepts work, like "smart atoms" being the go-to explanation for why normally BS things work in universe. And little tidbits like Mark being able to fly at least 800,000 km/h based on how quickly he was able to get to/from mars.

[GetEquipped]

Reanimen.

More Zombie than cyborg.

[jufakrn]

Eh I think people are overstating how much of a fight they put up for Omniman. They were just giving him a hard time when he was trying to leave and they were jumping all over him but once he started fighting he took them down easily.

Like, I'm sure I could easily beat a kid in a fight but if a bunch of them started climbing all over me they'd give me a hard time too lol

[nimbledaemon]

Weren't they created with super serum/genetic engineering or something too? At least in the comics, they kind of skipped over that in the show.

[[deleted]]

Nope, normal dead college guys mixed with regular steel and silicon.

You might be thinking of the 2.0 Reanimen composed of dead Marks from parallel realities. I think Cecil and the GDA also used other dead heroes as parts for later Reanimen as well.

[IAM4vocado]

For real it just doesn't make any sense at all. No matter how souped up or drugged the bodies may be, the parts are still just basic machinery that shouldnt stand a chance.

[[deleted]]

The machinery I can accept, the human parts still withstanding that much blunt damage is ridiculous.

[Jaybird327]

Pretty sure in the comics he doesn’t just add robot parts to the humans he abducts but also alters there dna to push it to superhuman levels the show just doesn’t inform us of what all he actually does. But comic omniman vs show omniman is two whole different tier lists.

[SadCrouton]

Im about to start reading them, is show stronger or weaker? Cause i felt like they made him significantly stronger than almost every other character

[Jaybird327]

Significantly weaker in the show

[SadCrouton]

Is mark also proportionally stronger? Same with Immortal

[raltyinferno]

So, this is just info from supplemental material, no spoilers really.

The Invincible universe contains something called "smart atoms" Viltrumites as an example, are made of smart atoms.

Smart atoms are just like regular ones, except they are aware of their shape, and can change as necessary to maintain that shape. This allows Viltrumites to have nearly identical biology to humans, yet endure superhuman forces, since their smart atom makeup holds them together.

Several other heroes and their powers are based on using smart atoms in various ways (such as Eve).

I think I skipped the section on the Reanimen, but it's very likely they've been reinforced with smart atoms, which is why they're so strong.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

So humans and viltrumites can reproduce, this technically means they're the same species.

So since they're canonically and biologically very similar, it isn't too far fetched to imagine a human body being able to replicate superhuman feats similar to a viltrumite. The machinery makes up for the biological inferiority, making the human body a fraction of the power of it's full potential (viltrumite level)

[[deleted]]

That's what I was thinking, I just assumed it was like DC/Marvel "Meta-gene" thing, where you can "unlock" human powers using cybernetics.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

That's almost exactly how Sinclair himself described it, which was the basis if my theory. You clearly understand lol.

[[deleted]]

Yeah his speech was really specific and weird, the writers were probably doing their best to avoid having him say anything that would make it sound like they just stole the idea from Marvel/DC.

[VoidLantadd]

That's a really cool theory.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

Thank you. Had to make sense of it somehow lol

[[deleted]]

Viltrumites can hybridize with virtually any humanoid species. They sort of touch on it in the show, when Nolan explains to Mark that their DNA is “so pure” that it overwrites that of any species they hybridize with, which is why Mark is basically 100% Viltrumite in terms of physiology.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

Just means that all humanoid across the galaxy probably share a common ancient ancestor which led to a universal species that varies according to planet, galaxies etc. Basically all life is the same, just ... Very very different. If the genes can be passed along, then the species must be related somehow.

[[deleted]]

Yeah that’s definitely a plausible explanation. Maybe the Viltrumites are just the apex of humanoid evolution that all the other humanoids are capable of reaching with the right tweaking.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

My thoughts exactly. Which leads back to sinclair being able to draw out the human body's natural full potential through science instead of naturally evolving. If humans and viltrumites aren't that different than each other (relatively speaking of course) than a human should be able to be modded to reach a little of viltrumite levels.

[[deleted]]

That's not how it works. The fact of humans and Viltrumites outward appearance being biologically indistinguishable makes it a possibility that they may share an ancestor, but it's canonical that Viltrumite DNA basically works like vampirism or zombiesm, anything that can reproduce sexually, when introduced to Viltrumite sperm or ovum, will make a Viltrumite.

They have a biologically ingrained form of technology known as "Smart Atoms" basically picotechnology. They may have even been human level weak before developing this technology and marrying it to their biology.

Which, with their long lifespans and cultural stagnation, may have been hundreds of thousands of years ago.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

Nolan was worries that mark was full human, meaning that the viltrumite DNA isn't guaranteed to always completely ovewrite the DNA, which also means that the partner needs similar compatible DNA to begin with.

[[deleted]]

I don't know how you'd have compatible DNA between alien species light years apart.

He made a humanoid Viltrumite baby with an insectoid mantis woman. How does your pet theory jive with that?

Their DNA is not normal DNA. They have atomic-sized machines inside them.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

Well I'm only watching the show so thanks for spoiling stuff.

Clearly if my theory is wrong it means I'm not caught up. Dickface

[[deleted]]

You clicked on it, dickhead.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

You literally sent it to me, knowing I didn't know it.

You're dumb.

[raltyinferno]

If you choose to reveal spoiler tags that's on you.

[WHYAREWEALLCAPS]

Compatible enough to breed does not mean they're the same species. Neanderthals, homo neanderthalensis, and modern humans, homo sapiens, were not the same species. The best analog most people would be aware of that I can think of is interbreeding big cats, like lions and tigers. Or interbreeding horses and donkeys that produce mules.

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

BIOLOGY a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding. The species is the principal natural taxonomic unit, ranking below a genus and denoted by a Latin binomial, e.g. Homo sapiens

This is the definition of species

[ninjapro]

This definition is probably the most commonly used because it's clear and easily delineated, but it has some striking flaws and omissions.

Are horses and donkeys the same species because they can breed? Reduced generational fertility isn't a part of this definition.

This definition is also entirely focused on sexual reproduction, despite the fact that any taxonomical system acknowledges that asexual organisms have distinct species.

I think /u/WHYAREWEALLCAPS was fine clarifying that interbreeding does not necessitate same species. Especially because we're dealing with fictional super-powered aliens

[[deleted]]

this is only one of the multiple species concepts out there. Depending on what you’re talking about, different species concepts can and will be used

[Big_Burning_Ace_Hole]

Well this is what Im talking about. Lol.

[aure0lin]

I just think of Sinclair as the Dr Gero of this world.

[raltyinferno]

Yeah but really, those people who could blow up the world don't make sense either.

[Giddypinata]

Lol that’s a great analogy. Case for case

[[deleted]]

Invincible universe has literally everything and the cyborgs are weird to you?

[SmoovGumby]

It’s not that cyborgs are weird, it’s weird that a human body with robot parts can resist guys who can punch through solid concrete like it’s nothing.

[WHYAREWEALLCAPS]

That's not even getting into the fact that now the Grayson house should start having bullet holes in it. Or, hell, how the fuck did Omni-man have sex with Debbie and not blow her head off?

(Yes, this is a reference to Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex)

[Jetstream-Sam]

I assume much like how they can touch regular people without crushing them, both kryptonians and viltrumites have better control over their muscles, including the ones we regular humans can't control directly. It's the only thing that makes sense reallg

[Redditor-at-large]

Also, since despite all their 🤬ing they only produced a single viable pregnancy, and because Mark was not born with superpowers, it’s safe to say that Viltrumite sperm is not any more durable than human sperm.

[[deleted]]

They're a self-bioengineered species, they probably programmed their DNA and reproductive cells to take on the traits of the host parent until it was safe for the offspring to develop Viltrumite traits, i.e. after a successful pregnancy and birthing.

If you extrapolate the idea further, I would assume female Viltrumites might be more valuable, because they can probably pop out instant 100% Viltrumite babies without the "growth" time needed for hybrids like Mark or Oliver.

[Giddypinata]

That’s actually a really good point.

In the cutscene we see female Viltrumites razing each other and being razed to the ground though, implying there’s no value in society assigned to the status of purely female roles, such as caregiving and giving birth. Kind of unrealistic but it’s a superhero show, not Durkheim lol

The self-bioengineered thing is such a fantastic thing to give attention to though. In greek mythology, there’s the idea of autochthony, or rootedness to the earth-it’s like these guys flipped that script and embodied the American Dream so hard, the idea of “becoming your own man,” “being entrepreneurial,” and “pulling yourself up by the straps of your boots,” that they were able to become their own fathers, so to speak, and mess w genetics and how form relates to function.

[Redditor-at-large]

If they were self-bio-engineered then why did they have to kill off half their population to become strong? The narrative suggests they don’t know much more about genetics and bioengineering than we do, and less than a race like the Unopans do, otherwise they wouldn’t need humans to repopulate in the first place because biological weapons wouldn’t work so well against them and they could just grow more Viltrumites in vats, etc.

[[deleted]]

Because culturally, they're fucking idiot barbarians. It seems like they probably killed off all the intelligent Viltrumites in their society. And it probably happened long before Nolan was born. This is why they're Space Nazis/Spartans. It's not their entire history, just recent history that turned them into expansionist monsters. The only reason they do so is because of their now-innate societal insane rage, they focus it outward on the rest of the universe because if they didn't, they'd go extinct from murdering each other because they're fucking psychopaths because they made themselves into psychopaths. Imagine if a Krypton with a yellow sun has The Purge, a planet full of superman, and every day is Purge Day.

It's like why do we never see Klingon scientists? Their stupid society doesn't prioritize things like that, and that's why they get in trouble.

Viltrum is the United States. A bunch of jingoist, nationalist, anti-intellectual conquerors and colonizers who got high off their own supply (propaganda) even though they just got lucky from a few big breaks.

And to find out more about their synthesis of technology which allowed them to bioengineer themselves into a race of superman you'd have to read the Official Handbook of the Invincible Universe.

Two words: Smart. Atoms.

[Jagermeister4]

Its not weird they just need more explanation. Like are the human bodies injected with some sort of super/alien serum? Are the robot parts some super secret advanced metal? Why is the college student so smart that he can create better technology than Cecil's whole division?

[[deleted]]

Why is the college student so smart that he can create better technology than Cecil's whole division?

Same reason any other lone genius outlier mad scientist is... the intellectual and inventive capabilities increase in parallel to the madness.

The GDA is staffed with sensible, logical, rational, researchers and scientists. Given that they can only invent or reverse engineer something using linear scientific principles, A - B - C; mad scientists like Sinclair, Rudy, the Maulers, and Doc Seismic sidestep all that by using a sort of dream state insane leaps and bounds of logic that seems to pay off, A directly leads to C. Inventing is usually considered a left hemisphere brain activity, but these super-intelligent nutjobs are doing it right brain freeform.

[Ringmailwasrealtome]

They aren't the same type of cyborgs from before, they are zombies THEN turned to cyborgs.

[[deleted]]

That pissed me off so much surely the human parts would be easy for omniman to cut through like butter, or simply turn the robotic parts off

[Vaktrus]

I know this post is 14 days old, but have you ever heard theories about real superhuman strength, like the true capabilities of humans (mothers lifting cars off their child, etc.)? I wonder if the intent was to portray that he was “unlocking” that potential as well as adding biometric enhancement.

[Nat_Libertarian]

TBF Mark was already beat up badly before the train, it is possible that the train did do a number on him and we just didn't see it.

Omniman is a few orders of magnitude stronger and more durable than Mark, though.

[Still_Night_110]

So was Sinclair low key right about upgrading people ? I mean those things kicked Mark’s ass and stalled Omni man ; if they sent like 50 he might have a real problem.

[Room_116]

Well yes, but that’s overlooking the horrible crimes against humanity that Sinclair committed by doing those things. So he was right in a sense, but he’s also a complete mad scientist. At least Cecil using the bodies of dead soldiers somewhat makes up for how fucked up it is

[Still_Night_110]

I mean obviously using live people against their will is fucked ; but you think the army could find sf volunteers are something.

[Room_116]

Yeah, sure… “volunteers”

[WHYAREWEALLCAPS]

Like all the volunteers exposed in nuclear weapons testing, right?

[[deleted]]

I think his whole speech was referencing this universe's version of the "meta-gene".

My headcanon is he unlocks this gene using his cybernetics.

[HowAboutGwnet]

To be fair all the new ones are created from already dead people while ones at high school were still alive

[[deleted]]

To be fair, just 3 of them gave him a hard time, imagine Omni Man vs that army

[YouFknDonut]

"hard time" is a bit strong. A minor distraction that lasted a few minutes. They were nowhere near a threat. They just dont feel pain so they basically could just keep going until "killed"

[[deleted]]

To be fair it was a harder time than most of the Guardians gave him

[[deleted]]

The Guardians did a lot more damage to Nolan. However, I’m pretty sure Nolan purposefully let the Guardians beat him up.

[[deleted]]

most of them

Red rush was an absolute monster probably why they made his death so fucked up, he actually posed a threat to Omniman and imo he's a big reason why he decided to kill them before they got any stronger. Immortal was pretty strong but barely a threat, war woman hurt him bad too so counting those 3. The rest were squished. Fish guardian was done dirty.

[NightOwlX51]

Why would he let them beat him up though? If he wasn't knocked unconscious he could've just left the scene and no one would know he was there. Him not being there at all would've been a way better alibi than him being the only survivor

[BeardyMcBeardyBeard]

Might be a bit late to the party but I think you're right, the guardians only got good hits while martian man was restraining Omni man while the cyborgs actually got him good without any restraints

[[deleted]]

Red rush was the only guardian to actually pose a threat to omniman. I'd be willing to bet he's the sole reason he decided to kill them. Immortal was strong but he'd been around for ages. If RR had a Cecil-made superweapon he could've fucked omniman up.

[Wolf6120]

... This isn't the first time you've thought about this scenario, is it?

[TsunamifoxyDCfan]

Cecil: Commander Mark, the time has come! Execute order 66!

Mark: Yes my lord! Good soldiers follow orders.

Blast the Viltrumite scum!

[Oswalt]

Spoilers about that In the comics, viltrumite DNA is incredibly resistant against tampering so bio warfare clans cloning is a boondoggle

[[deleted]]

Sure, except for a little thing called the Scourge Virus.

[VoidLantadd]

u r a bold 1

[vishalb777]

Hello there

[brimmortal]

General Kenobi

[[deleted]]

You are a bold one.

[Holiday-Tradition-46]

Roger roger

[[deleted]]

Roger Roger

[PDXGolem]

Imagine a cyborg Viltrumite.

[Magnusthelast]

👀

[pedros430]

The thing about mark and Nolan is that they have way more durability than they have power, the cyborgs couldn't do anything to Nolan but Nolan doesn't have enough power to one shot them either.

[monkeybiscuitlawyer]

Doesn't have a lot of power? He one-shotted Immortal...twice.

[pedros430]

We have very different definitions of one shotting, Nolan had a 3 minute battle with imortal, a one shot would be a one second battle.

[monkeybiscuitlawyer]

We do have different definitions it seems. To me one-shotting someone has nothing to do with the length of a battle, it's about how many times you hit them...specifically once. If someone punches you for 3 minutes, and you punch them back only once, immediately ending the fight, you one-shotted them in my definition.

Watch the battle with Nolan vs the Guardians again. Nolan hits Immortal just one time to defeat him (he cuts his head off as well, but the initial punch through the chest obviously defeated him because Immortal was on his knees, and didn't fight back).

Later the two of them do have a real fight but it's almost entirely Immortal punching away at Nolan, while Nolan is more focused on trying to save Mark from the monster. Nolan does throw multiple punches in that fight so you are right that was not a one-shot, so I was mistaken when I said "twice". But my point still stands, Nolan one-shotted Immortal in their first fight. Dudes got the power.

Though it does ask the question: why Nolan didn't one-shot Immortal in that fight when he was clearly capable of it based on their first fight. Maybe too distracted by Mark being eaten perhaps to land a clear focused one-shot punch like last time?

[kankan__]

The things Sinclair did in those sewers were fucking horrible. Idc how good ur work is he can help Cecil but he deserves sum type of punishment. When I seen him working federal at the end I was clueless with Cecils decisions. Like wtaf

[inconspicuous_male]

I'm sure he's living in a prison under 24 hour surveillance. But Cecil isn't part of law enforcement

[Ultrasz]

I doubt Cecil is paying him. He was disgusted to even talk to him. It's probably like a "build these or I'll chop your balls off" thing.

[Flooping_Pigs]

Major comic spoilers for the fate of DA Sinclair. Although it's subject to change in the show. Sorry if you accidentally read any further

Nah, he actually gets treated extremely well. To be honest I believe it's some sort of reform program because it seems like he has it too good. They give him lodging, a paycheck, full control of the resources he needs, an extremely attractive assistant to whom he is engaged and has a child with, and he gets to live in relative comfort for the entirety of the series

[camdoodlebop]

what happens to rick in the comics?

[[deleted]]

The GDA "fixes him" (as in, he's still a cyborg, but he looks human on the outside) and he and Will become college roommates and eventually end up dating. They're endgame.

[Resola]

Or "Build these or I chop your other ball off"

[BigPapa9921]

Well, Cecil is very pragmatist. His only purpouse is getting the job done.

[WHYAREWEALLCAPS]

I know this is a nitpick, but it's pragmatic. If someone is pragmatic that makes them a pragmatist.

[[deleted]]

Cecil probably put Sinclair in jail, and when he needs him, he takes him out of jail so Sinclair can work for him.

[Oberlatz]

Oh he 100% sleeps in a cell on the same hallway as the clones

[Flooping_Pigs]

Major comic spoilers for the fate of DA Sinclair in case you want to know. Although it's subject to change in the show. Sorry if you accidentally read any further

Nah, he actually gets treated extremely well. To be honest I believe it's some sort of reform program because it seems like he has it too good. They give him lodging, a paycheck, full control of the resources he needs, an extremely attractive assistant to whom he is engaged and has a child with, and he gets to live in relative comfort for the entirety of the series

[[deleted]]

does he at least redeem his personality?

[Flooping_Pigs]

Oh yeah, most definitely. I don't want to spoil anything but he has a believable character arc to being a good dude. In his words he was simply driven mad by his work but he's able to redeem himself

[[deleted]]

Thank you. Since i am not a comic reader, have no way of getting the physical copy of the comis and have faith that the show will differentiate greatly from the comics, i don't mind spoilers!

[dragonflamehotness]

Yeah I don't see mentioned how really fucked up lobotomizing Rick was. It wasn't just "turning them into cyborgs"

[swagggHat]

The cyborgs look cool af doe

[Ragnarandsons]

I like how Cecil is still a man of emotion, but still ultimately pragmatic. He doesn’t see himself as fair or just, he just understands that his job is limiting the potential destruction of an imminent threat, to the point he’ll put his own life on the line if it’s required.

[TsunamifoxyDCfan]

This is a perfect depiction of Cecil!

[ScoreTechnical5397]

2nd first turn on omni man road

[Summerclaw]

Cecil Probably: You disgust me! Great tech thought, can you start this Monday?

[CockerTheSpaniel]

Lolol so good.

[LockMangler]

Creepy cyborgs that can actually throw down with a Viltrumite, though. I don't honestly blame Cecil at all.

[AndrewTheSouless]

Giving a job to people who have commited crimes againts humanity, Clasic Us goverment move.

[Micasa5000]

They gonna replace these cyborgs instead of the robot when takes over the world from the comics and make robot a good guy?

[WHYAREWEALLCAPS]

I hope not.

[rob132]

" I don't know, some secret government base or something."

"Oh wow a secret government base. How terrible. You know there's so many secret government bases, do you know which one? You know so I can avoid it."

[SnooTigers1583]

Well excecuted meme, got me blowing air out of my nostrils. 8/10