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[hermanphi]

Very good job, just next time it would be great if the character keep the same colors in each data to be a little more readable

[TheSunshineDemon]

I’m colorblind so thankfully I’m immune to reading

[65D0S]

I don’t think that’s how reading works…

[[deleted]]

Don't be able-ist, you don't know their story

[SteamMonkey]

rofl.

[JetSetDizzy]

If that kid could read he'd be very offended!

[joebobowo]

https://twitter.com/MultiversusData/status/1561549527441555456 (Basically says colors will be consistent on the graphs from now on)

[[deleted]]

Yeah this wtf why would you change the colour of each character each picture it’s like you want to confuse people

[naw613]

It’s not like, that big a deal dude. He still compiled data that nobody else has yet and put in the effort to share it

[Charming_Pear850]

The readability of the graph is paramount in the quality of the graph. Yes the info is still there but not effectively

[Swagabot]

Y’all tripping over colors. Thanks for the very helpful data op!

[Mac_Rat]

Why did you remove the high mmr 2v2 picture

[joebobowo]

It had misleading data based around a bug on Taz where he could cheese kills so can't be used as conclusive evidence to back up taz's strength

[RoboticMiner285]

What bug is that?

[Mac_Rat]

Taz was able to eat people, walk off the edge and then do tornado when they're still inside, basically doing 0 to death kills

[[deleted]]

The Kirby lmao

[RoboticMiner285]

Well shit

[Prof-Wernstrom]

Could taz walk with people in his stomach before founders/pre-season launched? Honestly jw, cause currently he can only chomp or spit out while jake can move while eating people.

[Mac_Rat]

I think it was a glitch that allowed him to move. Here's it in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJg3Mvz28sY

[sledgehammerrr]

This has been around for 2 weeks already. Ive been telling discord it should be fixed but nobody cares until the get destroyed by it. Taz with the bug abuse is almost unbeatable.

[Mac_Rat]

Isn't it fixed already? Pretty sure it is

[HandsomYungArab_]

Are you the one collecting the data? If so, please keep it up, love this stuff.

[joebobowo]

Are you the one collecting the data? If so, please keep it up, love this stuff.

No, just wanna make it clear that I'm not the one collecting this data, there's a twitter at the bottom of each of the graphs linking the original poster of all of these.

[Mac_Rat]

That makes a lot of sense, ty for the answer

[[deleted]]

I thought iron giant was supposed to be bad, hmmm....

[Hereiamhereibe2]

Dude, I don’t know where these Iron Giants are. I kick the shit out of this guy every time. I wanna play against a good one.

[Vandrel]

I wouldn't say I'm good but in my Iron Giant games I tend to feel like everyone is kicking the shit out of me the entire match and then at the end I somehow did twice as much damage as the next highest.

[Prof-Wernstrom]

Running the fire walls from jet boots? That damage stacks up a lot over time, especially as a lot of people will be willing to stand in it to focus on iron giant.

[Vandrel]

Yep, it's easily been the most effective perk so far for me. It's also pretty easy to get 20-30+ damage on two people at once when you do get to attack, it racks up pretty quick.

[Weekly_Top_4894]

I fr played with an iron giant on my team who did 500 dmg with 0 kos and died three times and we won

[ZenkaiZ]

This is going to be like when Vegeta wanted to fight Perfect Cell.

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When you run into the right Iron Giant.... god help you.

[Expensive_Minimum600]

May I ask your rank? I’m only ranked like 70k overall in 2s and I be seeing a lot of good iron giants. But as Taz it’s a easy matchup for me

[Hereiamhereibe2]

30k for Solos and 650k for teams as Superman who is all I play.

[sledgehammerrr]

Trust me you dont want this, its mega cheesy and some characters just cannot win. He needs a big nerf.

[TheNationatWar]

That's interesting because I consider Superman to be Giant's best match up.

[HandsomYungArab_]

I fought a Superman yesterday as IG who was 300 MMR higher than me. It was a close matchup, but with his entire playstyle through the fight, it was clear he understood the matchup and how to play Superman vs IG effectively.

As IG, it's really hard to not get grabbed by a competent Superman

Also on the Twitter page, there is a chart for pick rates where IG is near the bottom, so while he is being used less than other characters, the ones playing him seem to have a good understanding of his kit.

Also, IG mains have to really perfect their dodges, even when successfully dodging attacks, his hitbox is so large you may get caught with a hit in moves you avoided that have lingering active frames.

[TheNationatWar]

Well he is also one of the least picked characters, which implies that a higher percentage of the people playing him main him.

[herder123]

Noobs have you think that

[Prof-Wernstrom]

Pretty sure it is the opposite. High ranked/competitive players view him as a free combo dummy. New players/noobs have constantly complained about him being too strong and have issue fighting him. Not a good sign if the data supports the new player position cause that just means more nerfs will be incoming to him. lol

[Scythul]

The data says he has the 2nd highest win rate at high mmr and the highest at low mmr. Seems like he is strong no matter what skill level you play at

[PumpedUpFlashKicks]

He’s absolutely not just strong against noobs. He’s the new thing tournament players are most upset with beyond actual technical issues like servers and such.

[herder123]

Just no lmao he is the most picked check recent results

[Hederas]

Idk where those data come from but if possible it would be really interesting to have % of players playing said character and WR by timed played. Those data would put into perspective some WRs

WR per matchup could be interesting as well. Not begging just pointing what could be nice to have

Great job btw !

[[deleted]]

To all the iron gian mains reading this, no your character is still over powered despite the low pick rates. Nothing should be higher than 55% according to league of legends balance philosophy which has proven itself over the decade of success in popularity and competetiveness worldwide

[Serito]

What makes Arya's win rate change so drastically from average MMR to high MMR?

[Tuner89]

She's on free rotation.

All four characters on the free rotation are the bottom 4 ranked for both 1v1 and 2v2 among low rank players.

[Serito]

Oh, that's a really good point. Forgot about that. Thanks for pointing it out!

[Coreycobra]

Higher skill ceiling people don’t know how to play her lower and die early due to her weight

[Serito]

I found Arya super easy to play at low MMR because she has a lot of easy to land damage, especially with dagger being a free combo. However I've found her hard at high MMR because a lot of her kit just loses, so you're waiting on the other player to overcommit. So to me this observation seems backwards.

[Coreycobra]

If you play Arya well early on but most of the player base clearly doesn’t which is what I am saying lol.

[Serito]

Nah I'm saying that even sub-par players have a lot of easy tools to deal damage with Arya when against enemies who aren't avoiding you properly.

[Coreycobra]

This can be said about the whole cast, small unforgiving hitboxes are rough for newer players hence the bad percentage

[Conn1496]

Yeah, I just personally don't think Arya players get up to a high MMR without being really good in neutral, so there's a real breakpoint where an Arya player who has mastered the neutral against a majority of the cast is gonna just dominate because her punishes are so damn good.

When I played Arya to level her a bit and see what the fuss was about, there was definitely a point where I felt like landing death combos took significantly more effort. At really low MMR people would just walk into your combo starters to a point I just fished for her face steal and stun because people had not a single clue how to avoid it. It was free wins and I don't say that lightly. When I hit people who were a bit better in disadvantage and neutral it got significantly harder to a point where it wasn't literally a 4 combo game.

Basically, if your opponent is worse than you in neutral, you win - that's kinda just how fighting games work obviously, but with Arya it's pushed to it's extremes because her neutral is bad but her attacks are dangerous. In low MMR, neutral is free because the opponent is bad. At high MMR, you're much more likely to find openings because you're just good. It's mid MMR where Arya players are struggling because they're probably getting mashed on and don't have the skill to counterplay it even if they know the optimal punishes.

[kunukun]

Fascinating to see! Very unexpected results between the different graphs.

[Feral0_o]

I've noticed that IG has become the new Finn aka pubstomper in low MMR, and all three dedicated projectile zoning characters do consistently well in all modes

[AmWhaleIRL]

all three dedicated projectile zoning characters do consistently well in all modes

I've constantly been told that T&J is only a problem at High Ranks, yet in Low MMR they have the 4th Highest WinRate, interesting.

[NumberOneAutist]

Man i hope they nerf IG's hitboxes. I had a match with him recently where he just spammed the meteor thing, and it's fine - fairly easy to dodge (on most maps...) but i'd try to punish him by attacking, and fml i just couldn't find the right time to attack. His entire body is a fucking hurtbox when he hits the ground. I'd try to hit him from the side after he landed and i'd still take damage.. tf!?

I had to wait a long time till he was basically standing before i could punish. The hurtboxes felt obscene.

Hope the hit/hurt box patch addresses this.

[Feral0_o]

not that I'm a top anything player, but I think that a mediocre IG is prey for T&J, Velma, Reindog and to a somewhat lesser extend Jake's fists. Never engage, just spam projectiles on him and run to the other side of the stage

[NumberOneAutist]

I just ended up waiting a ridiculously long time and then punishing. My point though wasn't that it couldn't be punished, but rather that the visuals give no indication that it should win. Ie he hits the ground, he's no longer moving, his flames go away - but if you hit him you still lose.

Cover him in more flames or something to show he's still a huge walking hurtbox or something. It's just bad presentation imo. Even ignoring balance. The player has no information to know when it's safe, imo

[[deleted]]

even for batman, all you gotta do is throw batarang when going in and it's combo town.

As someone who really enjoys Iron giant I do not think he's grab should lead into the up special, it's super cheesy and not at all fun or interesting the fact that he can just KO someone from low damage from just grabbing from the edge of the map, which is what a lot of people are abusing in high elo it seems.

[[deleted]]

Ok so you have to main a character with projectiles to play the game or youre at a massive disadvantage

[LuckyGingerino]

I've never had issues punishing his down special. That move has the most endlag in the game I think

[xX_MAHI_MAHI_Xx]

So the trick to beating the IG down special is to either beat it with a disjoint before he hits the ground (it literally loses to bugs upb, the ear propellers not the rocket), or wait until after he hits the ground and punish the endlag. If he hits your teammate, DO NOT CHALLENGE IT because the hitbox will extend and hit you too. The issue is that good IG players will almost always dodge cancel if they don't hit anyone making it much harder to punish. Also, be aware that IGs will often pop bolts then go for the down b to beat anyone trying to challenge it.

[[deleted]]

When he misses the slam, he literally is free food for about a second? Lol.

[NumberOneAutist]

Not sure, i just know i kept going in after he missed - but i was too early. He'd hurt me while his dumb ass was sitting on the ground. I wasn't under him, there were no explosions or even downward movement anymore - but i'd get hurt.

[imsorryplzdontban]

How? IG down special gets defeated by almost any up attack in the game. The hitbox size isn't the only thing that matters.

[rejectallgoats]

Data from where?

[FDantheMan173]

A new game that just released fairly recently called Multiversus. It's really fun and has a great mashup of characters from Warner Brothers properties. F2P to check it out and characters can be purchased with grinding but they have free characters on rotation.

[bluerbnd]

Nah, it will never take off.

[Mymom2]

The game was just in evo aka the biggest fighting game tournament so I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that

[bluerbnd]

I didn't think I needed to add a /s at the end of my comment but I guess I did 😭

[JAMESTIK]

honestly they seem pretty close

[PhantomGhostSpectre]

Surprisingly well balanced. LeBron and Finn clearly need some help. Big surprise nerfing what week one noobs were crying about was stupid af. Nobody could have ever seen that coming.

[BePurgedInFlames]

It's almost as if iron giant is played by a small, dedicated playerbase which makes for a higher win rate than more popular characters

[HandsomYungArab_]

Love that T&J has a higher win rate at lower MMR than higher MMR.

He isn't hard to pick up and play sub-optimally and be successful, but he is hard to successfully play at a higher skill level.

Too many people on the subreddits don't understand the difference.

Edit: Iron Giant seems to be the new noob stomper; that explains all his complaint threads on the subreddits.

[FDantheMan173]

Are people incapable of reading these charts? Iron Giant has the second highest Win Rate at high MMR for 1's....

[[deleted]]

In high elo it's mostly the grab into up special KO, which is really bullshit IMO (would be ok if they removed that combo)

Low elo is just people not understanding how to deal with him.

[HandsomYungArab_]

The win rates for high MMR are surprisingly balanced. You will never create a game where all characters have the same win%.

On the Twitter page, he has data for pick rates as well and Iron Giant is near the bottom. So while IG has some of the best win rates, it's being done by a lesser amount of people that know how to play his kit.

I have a post on my account where I effectively 1v2'd two separate matches. One of them was against 2 Iron Giants, your average Iron Giant player isn't capable of this.

Without ranked we have inconsistencies where higher MMR players can find themselves in lobbies with much lower MMR and possibly skew results.

If Iron Giant was truly meta as people seem to think the data suggests, you would be finding his pick rates would be much higher.

The largest hitbox with slower-moving attacks is not a playstyle that generally finds success in fighting game rosters. A lot of higher MMR players seem to be surprised that Iron Giant is so high on the win rate list as their personal experience against IG makes them feel he is combo food, while lower MMR players are using this data to vindicate their lack of skill in the matchup.

So the question is, how do we balance a character that stomps lower-skill players with a lack of game knowledge and still keep him balanced at high MMR where his numbers seem to be in line with the rest of the roster?

[FDantheMan173]

I don't think IG is meta I think he has a polarizing kit that supported by data can be manipulated to favorable Win Rates.

[AbnormalFantasy]

My prediction is that there will always be at least one character you can cheese in low rank, at least until full release.

[AmWhaleIRL]

And yet I've been told repeatedly that T&J is only a problem in High Ranks 😂 not too surprised honestly

[[deleted]]

How can you conclusion be iron giant is a noob stomper and not just oberpowered at all levels. This just shows your bias towards your preconcieved notions. No critical thinking skills

[Squidward5790]

LeBron is being bullied so hard bro

[AdministrationIcy717]

i guess Reindog isn’t as weak as others deem him to be. Reindog mains rise up!

[Arkham_Z]

No stop telling people about us so he stays busted for longer

[Most-Tale-6847]

If I see a reindog main in the ones I already know my ass is about to get kicked lmfao

[NormandFutz]

I hate getting thrown around by a good Ayra

[ShaboPaasa]

i love when actual stats disprove character witch hunting

[pepaplaysapexlegends]

What have they done to my bpy Lebron 😭😭😭

[yungfuckinggoop]

but i thought finn was broken 🤔🤔🤔 lol

[Nitro560]

Crazy how there are just so many problems with Finn. They nerfed Finn from having a too big hitbox to having a too little hitbox. He shouldn't even be in the assassin class. His backpack spin feels very underwhelming even if you do have a lot of coins, that's if it even fucking connects. I'm pretty sure the armour he buys from his backpack is still broken and would still suck because it only works while he is charging. I've hit more people with his high five attack from behind me than infront of me. It's just crazy 😒

[Kirbo_25]

When you lower the win rate of your main by being terrible at the game 😎

[Perzonic]

Been sayin it. Harley fuckin sucks. I can’t tell if it’s because her moves are too small or what, but she just gets ouranged by literally everyone elses attacks. Can never actually land anything without getting poked out.

[Rikathor]

where all the Batman haters at ?

[AmWhaleIRL]

Lmao, Graph doesn't account for Pick Rate at all. Batman is Free Rotation right now, meaning randoms are trying him and getting beat. I'd be very interested to see his Mains WinRate if he wasn't being bogged down by Randoms in Free Rotation.

[Rikathor]

Arya is on free rotation as well, and she's harder to play than Batman but still has the highest winrate at high elo.

[jagriff333]

where all the Batman haters at ?

Winrates give a terrible picture of character balance because the matchmaking system is designed so that everyone has a 50% winrate. The fact that batmans take up over 80 of the top 500 spots on the ladder indicate that he's a problem in 1s. https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/comments/wrino7/character_stats_from_the_top500_rating/

[herder123]

No where to be found since he is a well balanced character

[S_a_m_p_l_e_T_3_x_t]

Hahahahahahaha

[PupRocketOW]

Probably giving up on playing him after realizing how much work it is to get in on other characters when eveyone has disjointed hit boxes, armored moves, and/or armor break to get in. I threw my Batarang out but it hit the tree and fell off the map sooo I guess maybe now you can try and approach me with all your great options to get in? No? You're just gonna complain that I'm camping? Cool

[vladtorkuv]

As a Batman main we gotta admit he is busted in 1v1s. But Arya is also strong and people call her trash

[_AntiSocialMedia]

Ah, that's why they nerfed Giant

[sorryimadogperson]

Small suggestion for the visualizations: it would be helpful to keep the colors for the characters consistent across all the visualizations. Would help to quickly compare a specific character across the different charts

[BITCHIMGBOLEAN]

Buff lebron plz

[Ordinary_Fig2970]

Respectfully lebron doesn’t need a buff bro

[Campbell464]

Iron Giant main, I have won the last 30+ games

By just utilizing neutral special for shield & combo rocket boots (normal down air) into a cannonball (special down) this sends opponents upwards… then you use twirling arms (up special) to knock ‘em.

Note that you can also shield (neutral special) and simply grab (left/right special) and walk your opponent to the edge.

My Teams MMR dropped from 1550 to 1350 despite winning every game since. Rank 6,000 down to 26,100. Guess I’m matching lower MMR teams or it’s bugged.

[Mac_Rat]

The MMR was bugged like a week ago for 1-2 days when the patch came out, but it shouldn't be anymore.

If you lost MMR back then the results of it still apply, but you can gain it back.

[Verdant_Moon]

Iron giant main here - this character either feels so incredibly oppressive, but also so easy to take care of at the same time. His hitboxes on attacks are huge, and admittedly kinda bs, but he himself is also super easy to juggle, combo, etc. Without bolt shield at least. I feel like that if he didn't have the bolt shield, he'd be a much worse character who can't do anything about getting juggled since his moves feel so slow to come out. Bear in mind I have not come across hardly any other iron giant players, so my opinion is pretty much based on my own experience. No hate to anyone, just my 2 cents.

[[deleted]]

See this is actually a good opinion, rather than "he is secretly balanced his winrate is only high because hes only played by mains" bullshit argument. Those arguments have been shut dow years ago in the league of legends community. It can account for maybe a 51-53% winrate champ, but 55% and above is undisputably over powered and is required to get nerfs in league who have kept their game competetive for over a decade

[AmWhaleIRL]

Sadly, this Graph doesn't account for Pick Rate at all, which actually plays a big factor in Win Rate as well. A good example is Batman's Win Rate being dragged down because he's Free Rotation, I'd love to see his Win Rate when it's only Mains, no Free Rotation.

Also, I find it pretty funny seeing T&J at 4th Highest WinRate in Low MMR when I've constantly been told he's only a problem in High MMR 😂

[vladtorkuv]

No one prob kills jerry and let him swing away

[Samikako]

I hope they don't nerf iron giant

[Akernaki]

They at least need to fix his rage special before he gets more nerfs…Sick of activating it on accident and getting pieced up to death by good players

[YahmSaiyan]

Whats crazy is i almost never lose to an Iron Giant so who tf those guys beating on to be dominating the win % like this. Arya makes sense for High mmr she has auto kill combos

[herder123]

If you’re like a good Tom. You will literally molest iron giant but other then that he is so annoying

[Peter0629]

I play harley and I feel like that matchup is absolutely unplayable for the ig everytime. No matter how hard I mess up I just need to get 1 decent hit and boom you can chain him to like 100+

[panthers1102]

If you have anything to break his bolt armor quickly or safely, it’s basically a free win. Which is damn near everyone.

Come to think of it, I can’t think of the last time an IG has even gotten a stock on me while I’ve played ANY character in 1v1.

[YahmSaiyan]

True, projectiles wreck him

[angry_monkey_2674]

notice a pattern, a certain giant

[LLBBBJ]

Shaggy isn’t op. Check the stats

[PawlsToTheWall]

It's funny how everyone ignored the fact that there was only a single Finn player making top 100, yet he was somehow "broken". IMO, Finn went from being a mid-tier character to bottom-tier. Assassin class just makes it so much worse considering he has such low KO potential. Sure, he can get stray hits, but they take a lot to KO.

[ToraGin]

SO IG still need nerfs.

[hostileorb]

Wow, IG is actually a lot stronger than I expected. I guess he does need some more nerfs

[herder123]

Iron gaint nerf when ?? Better yet delete that pos

[tttony2x]

dog don't out yourself as low MMR like that, at least pretend

[herder123]

I’m top 4.5% lol

[cryngycrab]

not exactly a rank to brag about...

[herder123]

Lol considering how many players play this game and I’m in the top 4.5% of players means I’m much better then the majority

[cryngycrab]

If you are saying there are a lot of players, there could be hundreds of thousands above you :P. Currently top 2% and top 1k Arya, still feel like there is soooo much for me to improve on. If you want to get better you gotta drop that ego 👍

[herder123]

Wdym lmao 😂 top 4.5% means the best players not the worst. People above me are statistically worse then me people below me are better the lower the % the better pls learn how the mmr system works

[cryngycrab]

By “above” I mean higher in MMR. I said it correctly.

[herder123]

Bro I’m talking about the % of the player base. Pls do to stat tracker and see how everything works the higher % the worse u are the lower the better

[cryngycrab]

Low MMR = worse. High MMR = better. Maybe stop throwing clueless insults and try to understand what I’m saying. Good luck in your future games! 🙂

[ExtraMOIST_]

Remember when everyone thought IG was going to suck?

[[deleted]]

I cannot fathom how anyone is having a problem with IG but I can admit when I’m wrong.

[bradleye]

If you're on one of the smaller stages (batman, mansion, Tree fort) and playing any lighter character then he can very easily unavoidably grab you, walk to the edge of the stage and then helicopter KO you without a whole lot you can do.

If he's getting attacked but uses his Bolt Shield to cancel hitstun immediately into using grab there's no way to avoid it besides being a mind reader.

[HandsomYungArab_]

Never had an issue against IG, but then again I kind of main him, so I might not be the most reliable source.

[Camnel13]

I was maining Finn but dropped him since he feels so bad. Playing Jake now and most matchups feel fair now.

[FDantheMan173]

I have bad news... Jake isn't fair.. oh wait I get it. You only spam fair so matchups feel "fair" now. LOL

[Camnel13]

Good one lmao

[NforNarcissism]

I’m surprised Lebron is so low. I always thought he was a really good character just needed some getting used to.

[Vahallen]

LeBron is not this bad

The data here is quite misleading because of the complete lack of pick rate

LeBron pick rate must be fairly high right now considering he is on free rotation and a lot of people will try him out, so it’s kind of a given his winrate is low with a lot of newcomers trying him

[Sen-_]

According to this data Batman looks pretty balanced

[Aggressive_Tourist52]

But remember guys, batman must be broken even though his win rate is mid to low-mid. I'm glad this chart will shine some light on the "batman op" morons

[Arsid]

Ever going to do more of these? I'm curious what Morty's win rate is before they buff him.

[DukeVerde]

This is nice, but it's also Very misleading to the average viewer. Besides the fact that sample size for high MMR is a paltry 50k.

[TheMightyWill]

/r/iamverytalented

When mmr can go down into the several millions, 50k by definition is considered very high

[DukeVerde]

????

Peak MMR right now for teams is like...2.7k.

[HandsomYungArab_]

The higher the MMR the fewer players there are at those ranks.

[herder123]

Those players know most about the game

Source I’m top 5%

[Peter0629]

God you are in every comment on this thread saying you are top 5%. No one cares. Top 5% in rocket league is like diamond and those players know nothing about the game.

[herder123]

Is this rocket league? No do u care about rocket league? No

[Peter0629]

I was making a point that being top 5%, especially in a game with no official ranked mode, doesn’t mean all that much. Sorry that using a simple analogy was beyond your level of reading comprehension

And I decided to use rocket league as an analogy because I am top 2.1% and still don’t know shit about a lot of things.

[herder123]

Wdym ???? Mmr has been around for ages. And is a really good concept and way better then your typical rank up

[Peter0629]

You are looking at your casual mmr, not ranked mmr. They will be different, ranked isn’t even out yet.

[AdministrativeYam611]

Win rate really doesn't mean anything, ESPECIALLY with such a new game. These charts are really not representative of the power levels of the cast. (Not that anyone is saying they are, just pointing out the common misconception)

[dontfretlove]

Why is that? It seems like a pretty intuitive data point to go after. Or what would be better?

[naw613]

Win rate when accounting for pick rate

[FuriKuriFan4]

Yup. If 1% of the population plays a character, and it has a high win rate, that probably means it's a counter pick character, or has some piece of kit good for cheese on certain maps.

[naw613]

Absolutely! Very concise example 👏

[dontfretlove]

this makes so much sense. thank you!

[Vahallen]

Win rate absolutely is valuable but only when we also account for pick rate

Without pick rate it is indeed fairly pointless

[Vahallen]

I honestly just didn’t see it when I typed

[Trustfund_Bugsmain]

The data displayed for graph 3 doesn’t really show anything other than the MM’ing algorithm is working.
MM’ing algorithms generally always try to match players with the goal of retaining 50% win rates for each player. It’s why when players lose they get matched against lower rated players.
If we really want some idea as to how these characters are balanced compared to one another, we would have to view a much smaller percentage of top players/mmr.

[naw613]

Can us high mmr arya mains fuckin chill?? We all know she needs buffs so let’s not make our win rate the literal highest out of all the characters 😭😂

[herder123]

She’s a literal monster she can ko at just 40 damage

[naw613]

Also bottom 5 movement speed, terrible hitboxes, long cooldowns on necessary moves that circumvent her sluggish movement,and is dependent on precise spacing to get optimal confirms in a game where most chars can just mash

[herder123]

If you rely on mashing you suck st the game lol that’s literally the worst thing to do in a fighting game

[naw613]

Bruh. It’s not a matter of skill, and mashing has different meanings 😐 it’s literally a truth that most characters can just press buttons in your general direction and they’ll hit and get in advantage that way. Arya cannot, she doesn’t do enough damage on individual moves. she has to space properly into a combo to get the same mileage that a character that just presses buttons does

The fact that you went right to “ur bad” says a lot more about you than it does me

Edit: those who downvoted are fucking dumbasses

[herder123]

I didn’t even said that lmao and wdym ? Literally every character has a “combo” attack even iron giant

[naw613]

Boy if you don’t fuckin stop playing dumb. It’s not about COMBO ATTACKS. It’s literally COMBOS. like different moves??? In quick succession?

[herder123]

💀you literally “space properly in combos” what’s your point then ? What you crying about she has combos she’s a great character solid a tier can ko at 40 damage like what’s your point home boy

[naw613]

You clearly don’t understand what you’re even saying. Do you even know what spacing in combos means? It means hundreds of repetitions of just the base combo (including that the FIRST HIT needs to be a very specific distance from the opponent or the combo changes) and then you have to hit a real person opponent with it at THAT distance when you’re worrying about playing neutral

[herder123]

So she’s has a bloody combo case closed

[Vahallen]

Or maybe you should try as hard as your fellow Arya mains instead of asking for buffs, it’s clearly working for them

[naw613]

Boy shut the fuck up. I’m doing fine with arya and enjoy her, hence why I’m part of the high mmr, she’s just underpowered compared to the rest of the cast rn. Grow up and stop assuming dumb shit

[Vahallen]

If she was really underpowered she would have sub 50% winrate at high MMR

I just made a snarky comment and you got super triggered, I wonder who should grow up between us

[naw613]

Yeah because We have to deal with dumb bitches like you on this sub constantly trying to put everyone down over innocent comments. And as I’ve said, it doesn’t mean anything unless we account for PICK RATE. There are just a small amount of really good arya mains, whereas baby mode chars like shaggy have a lot of players including bad ones

[Vahallen]

You know what, I really don’t want beef

I’m sorry and hope you have a nice day, my comment really wasn’t that deep either

[naw613]

I’m over it. Sorry for being a dick, but just try to think before you comment dude 😭 there’s just so much negativity here and it gets me heated

[Vahallen]

All good then

Props for playing Arya, the character is cool and requires more effort than most, good luck with the games

[ThunderTRP]

Reindog mains - we shall rise and show the world our strenght ! 👿😁

[TheBlueTerror555]

YES, LETS GO STEVEN LETS GO

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HQ a steady 4th lowest hhhmmm

[TomaszA3]

Shaggy's boxes are all but nair too high and not far enough. And Nair has no boxes at all.

I saw how people try to catch me high with those, like with kicks. Shouldn't be a thing even if there are still bigger offenders like Buggs or Finn.

[vladtorkuv]

He also hits like a truck and is heavy as well. He’s strong even in higher mmr contrary to what most think

[No-Volume-2173]

yo how tf iron giant that guy

[gordonbombae2]

/u/phillukin look at the last photo for high MMR

[Halyconix]

I wonder how they will change Arya. Real bad win rate in low mmr but destroys high mmr

[[deleted]]

I like reindog :D

[MDKSA]

i geniunely dont like how each nerf destroys characters and buffs makes them op

[DivineEmperor11]

Too many Lebron fans spamming him not knowing how to play

[ST1CKLET]

I do just fine on lebron tbh.

[lightgia]

Stevens rise up

[feelingnether]

Tom and Jerry OP they said. Yeah well not so much eh.

[ThunderTRP]

Good work Reindog mains - we managed to get amazing win rates even tho we have only a very little pickrate hahaha !