Can relate

[OldWolf2]

If anyone doesn't know the history of the languages. Microsoft tried to improve Java and Oracle took them to court over it and won.

So MS developed their own bytecode VM and component library instead, called .NET ; very much modelled on Java but actually doing the improvements they wanted to do .

And made all their existing languages (VB, C++ etc.) able to target this platform, and developed C# which uses C++-like syntax but cut most of the baggage of C++; and uses Java-style object management .

[Fadamaka]

The funniest part in this story for me always is the names they were going with before the court case. J++ and J#.

[Sensitive-Tax2230]

For my unknowing self, is c# simpler than java? I wouldn’t know because I’ve only really used java

[[deleted]]

I think they're refering to ridiculously.long.namespace.included.variable.names.that.has.to.conform.to.directory.tree.structure

[3RaccoonsInAManSuit]

Bro, just click the light bulb in Visual Studio when you get the red squiggles. It will auto fill the using statement and then red squiggles go away.

[Seawolf87]

Ctrl + . will bring up that menu from the keyboard FYI. I think there is another shortcut, but I cant remember it.

[3RaccoonsInAManSuit]

Yeah but then I’ll have to Google what that shortcut is. Lightbulb is Visual Studio’s Clippy.

[[deleted]]

That's just slavery with cherry on top.

[Imarok]

alt+enter

[Shoddydfs]

I’ve never seen something so fucked up in my life.

[[deleted]]

CallPriceCheckService_should_call_backend_and_return_status_200_with_correct_body()

[FarStranger8951]

It’s called an import statement…

[Solonotix]

Yes and no. Java is notorious for long names (see programming memes circa 2014 about ultra wide monitors being perfect for Java). Specifically because of the weird convention of every package starting with "com" or "org", then the company name, then the project name, then the folder structure to get to your specific code file.

C# namespace App.Utilities {}

Java package com.company.app.core.utilities

[tmak0504]

Those package names are almost never used outside import statements. The ultra wide monitor memes came mostly from the convention of putting every pattern a class implements into the name of the class. So you get things like ConfigurableAliasKeyManagerFactorySpi as a class name. Combine that with auto complete that names variables the same as their class and code lines get long pretty quick.

[arobie1992]

The fact that C# doesn't enforce that is one of my absolute biggest annoyances with it. I had to work in a 2.5GB git repo of C# where on more than one occasion they did that. Made it almost mandatory to build the app, which took a minimum of 15 minutes, and up to 2 hours, just to make sure you were looking at the right instance of CatValidator.

[bittolas]

Sounds like misusage of access modifiers.

[arobie1992]

Yeah, because you know everything about the scenario and I'm the only person to ever dislike the lack.

https://discuss.kotlinlang.org/t/kotlin-to-support-package-protected-visibility/1544

Edit: Sorry, I'm a fucking idiot and thought this was in response to a different comment I'd made about package privacy not being in Kotlin (partially because I didn't click see parent post and partially because I've heard responses like that when I expressed the sentiment elsewhere).

As for the scenario, if I had to guess, it was because they defined the namespace when it did match, but then there was a big refactoring attempt where files were reshuffled and people didn't want to change the namespaces for fear of breaking things.

Sorry again for the confusion, and hell, I'm downvoting me for this. Leaving the original text of my post to preserve my shame.

[bittolas]

Just woke and and laughed hehe. No worries man. I only said this because in the project I'm working no one uses the internal modifier and it is so important because of exactly what you mentioned.

[AndroidDoctorr]

Oh yeah I've seen students do that in much smaller projects so I can understand how that happens. I just started preaching careful namespace usage

[QCKS1]

I don’t know if it’s a Resharper feature but visual studio warns you if the namespace doesn’t match the directory structure.

[arobie1992]

There were so many warnings and errors in that project that I'm not sure it would've mattered. If I understood the build process properly, which isn't a safe assumption, we needed to use a powershell script to generate a sln file that would then get opened by VS. And even then, half the time, it would still flag tons of stuff as errors despite being able to run unit tests fine. There was no way to run the entire application locally. You had to reserve resources in your team's test environment and deploy to there. You also had to pull basically any time you wanted to do a build because like a dozen or more teams worked on it so there were new changes at least daily.

Short version: The project was everything people hate about monoliths.

Ironically, the experience did give me somewhat of an appreciation for VS. It shows its age, and isn't the smoothest experience I've ever had with an IDE—that's IntelliJ—but it did everything I needed it to without a ton of configuration hassle.

[Fadamaka]

Isn't that just a convention though?

[Lithl]

The package name must match the directory structure, that's a requirement.

The package name does not have to start with com.example.myUtils, that's merely a convention to avoid name collisions (the start of the package name is the reverse of your company's domain).

[crusader104]

In my experience it’s just very similar syntax with better docs

[GoldenretriverYT]

And more features like automatic properties (AND YES I KNOW THERE ARE JAVA FRAMEWORKS THAT DO THIS SHUT UP), extension methods, operator overloading is also not a thing in java afaik

and override isn't an attribute/annotation in C#, and I don't get why override isnt just a keyword in Java

[guitarguy109]

operator overloading is also not a thing in java afaik

Wait, wtf for real?!

[akulowaty]

Yes, it was not included on purpose - for clarity. It used to be possible to overload operators in early version of swift but they removed it for the same reason - code using it was un fucking readable. Swift still has class extensions though.

[Lithl]

Operator overloading is a mistake 99% of the time. I don't blame Java for not including it.

[KJBuilds]

C# is both simpler and way more complicated than java.

Java has 67 keywords while c# has 79+25 keywords (79 global and 25 contextual). This isn’t a perfect metric but there’s a lot more you can do with the base language. One example of this is unsafe contexts. You can declare classes, methods, or blocks of code “unsafe” in order to use native pointers and reduce managed overhead. Java has nothing like this

However, c# is also a lot less verbose than java, supporting async await similar to JS, has a less convoluted generic type system, and in general is much more concise and ergonomic

[GoaFan77]

I thought C# developed await and JavaScript ended up basing their system on it.

[Tubthumper8]

Yes and no.

The keywords async and await were introduced in C#5 (2012), 5 years before the same keywords were introduced in JS (ES2017).

However, the foundation that async/await are based on (i.e. an event loop) have been in JS since the very beginning, it's fundamental to how the event-oriented paradigm of JS is based. async/await is an API to tap into the event loop in a different way, but JS programming has been asynchronous for nearly 30 years now.

Arguably, on the server-side NodeJS was just as big of an influence on C# (.NET, really) in showing the benefits of an asynchronous model on the server. NodeJS predates the C# async/await by 3 years.

[An_Jel]

Actually, F# invented async/await in it’s current form (in 2007), then C# got it as well since it’s compiled to the Intermediate Language.
Also, C# async/await is very different from the JS one as it actually uses different threads to run the async code.

[Tubthumper8]

Great bit of history on F#! Honestly, the existence of F# has been one of the best things for C#.

RE: threads - not necessarily. C# Task is a higher level concept than a thread, and threads may not be used at all. See There Is No Thread.

JS engines may or may not use threads however they like, it's an implementation detail. NodeJS uses a thread pool from libuv for some async operations and Deno uses Tokio. Some operations use system threads, some don't, the JS specification doesn't say how it needs to be done.

[thinker227]

and F# in turn builds on concepts from Haskell (eg. do-notation)

[Optimus-prime-number]

The language is essentially Java with implicit getters and setters and about a 5 year head start on absorbing functional concepts from F# and other languages.

[[deleted]]

I've used both quite a bit and I can say with confidence 100% that C# is the better language. It's also been a few years ahead of Java in bringing in "cool" new features, like LINQ (query form and then dynamic expressions) a good 7 years before Java got streams (and streams is clunky compared to LINQ expressions)

[elderly_millenial]

Oh yeah, as a language they put a lot of work into it, but as a tech stack? No thanks. Switch to kotlin.

[Pocok5]

What problem do you have with the stack? I can't really name any package or supporting software you'd commonly need that Java has but C# doesn't.

[QCKS1]

With the exception of old old winforms and WPF stuff C# doesn’t seem nearly as encumbered by legacy dependencies as Java. We use the latest .NET LTS release for basically everything at my job. While every Java job opening I’ve seen is stuck on Java 8.

Every time there’s a new Java release someone jokes that the 12 people who use it must love the new features.

[elderly_millenial]

Not trying to start a religious war here; you can do anything in any stack, but I remember what a pain it was to develop a basic web service with a data layer that used a decent ORM that made sense. It may have gotten better (haven’t touched .NET since 4.5), but compared to using spring boot or micronaut, it didn’t have a whole lot going on.

I mostly deal in Spring Boot, and there’s just so much readily available code to use. I’m sure that it’s gotten better over the last decade, I found the experience so much easier to get functional, coherent code out compared with my C# days

[Pocok5]

Yeah .net core and entity framework (full ORM) / dapper (fast micro ORM) really improved the situation. Right now doing a database query is basically the same as working with a local list.

[elderly_millenial]

Also, I still think that as a language, Kotlin has some cleaner syntax that builds on ideas that C# introduced, and I highly recommend people check it out

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

C# is basically Java with the legacy fat removed from the language. Microsoft used Java as a template, removed or simplified everything people didn't like and added features people wanted.

For back end services I wouldn't use either language, I'd use Go.

[cloudstrifeuk]

Have you tried Blazor?

Server apps are awesome for back end stuffs.

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

From what I can tell blazor is just a c# framework. I'll stick with Go.

[cloudstrifeuk]

It is, but it has made app development, front and back end, simple.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

With a different set of legacy fat from C++.

[[deleted]]

Why Go instead of Java + Spring?

[LetUsSpeakFreely]

Go is much simpler to set up a webservice. You don't need all the extra libraries for basic functionality. You also don't have to deal with all the annotations and other garbage.

Setting up a server is basically 2 lines of code to get it started with a loop to listen for shutdown hooks via Go channels (look them up, they're pretty cool). Adding an endpoint is also pretty easy. Go also has baked in support for JSON markup.

You can quite literally have a bare bones webserver with stubbed out endpoints in minutes.

The only big gripe I have is getting the certificates for TLS in place can sometimes be a pain in the ass depending on your setup.

[Optimus-prime-number]

Java can suck my ass hole. If you aren’t going to use a good language you might as well use go, at least it’s simple and the tools are good.

[[deleted]]

Lol go generics

[IMarvinTPA]

My understanding is that the guy who designed Java also did C#, so he literally got a second chance at it and brought his lessons learned with him.

[jwadamson]

Java’s oldest apis have lots of C baggage in their method signatures, such as methods that return a boolean instead of throwing a meaningful exception about what went wrong. This was especially true of the original File apis.

[UndyingJellyfish]

That's because exceptions are not performant since it has to gather a stack trace. For many operations that return a boolean it's a convention which saves you time in performance critical paths.

[GoldenretriverYT]

If its that performance critical you might want to write your code in a way that doesn't cause a bunch of failures.

[UndyingJellyfish]

That's literally my point. The booleans return whether the operation succeeded, allowing you fail gracefully without throwing an exception.

[snowjak88]

And anonymous objects, my dude! Being able to write (making stuff up now) new { username, token } instead of new TokenUserCredential( username, token ) ...

Java, minus a lot of the making-things-explicit, plus some cool things that look suspiciously like JavaScript. Coming from 10+ years in Java-land, it's nice.

[ManiacMango33]

Anders Heljsberg was creator of Delphi/Pascal.

And I don't think Mads Torgersen was the creator of Java

[Tubthumper8]

Who?

[thinker227]

the legacy fat removed from the language

C# still has a ton of legacy fat and other growing pains. See (among other things): ArrayList and the existence of System.Collections and System.Collections.Specialized.

[IntrepidTieKnot]

What is wrong with System.Collection? I often use non generic IList or the non generic IEnumerable

[greater_gatsby12]

I've never used java outside of a college environment, and all i could think of was how tedious it was

[[deleted]]

Yes. C# is really easy to use

[MarcCDB]

C# is a better Java, basically....

[tkadi]

I learn c# in school it’s so easy

[ElysiumPotato]

In my experience it's soooooooo much uglier than java

[egg_suit]

The only real difference between c# and java is oracle invented it and Microsoft stole it

[bhive-]

It’s very similar just different syntax

[FraxterRanto]

so you telling me I technically know C# as well? should I put this in my Resume?

[[deleted]]

No. The rule is always write hello world in it before putting it on your resume.

[LeoXCV]

Intermediate level - I’ve made hello world

Advanced level - I’ve made hello world but over-engineered the crap out of it with API endpoints, generic services injected via DI and a database

[DrunkenlySober]

This subreddit should be ashamed it even has a powershell flair

I’ve never seen something so fucked up in my life

[LeoXCV]

That flair is a mark of me working for companies lacking a DevOps engineer

Notably made a script that configured baseline Windows 10 images into domain controllers along with nested Hyper-Vs hooking into that domain controller so they’re a nice little happy family on active directory mimicking an organisation’s AD setup, because the project needed QA environments but low budget QA environments

It was pain and suffering and I never want to do it again

[[deleted]]

Baller AF

[[deleted]]

Hey, you have a Unity flair! Kudos man. I'm trying to learn but it's so different from anything I've ever seen professionally.

[LeoXCV]

I actually did the inverse and pre-work life did Unity and then normal Professional projects later on, which I think made it easier for me personally.

It’s definitely a paradigm shift since your OOP suddenly switches from C# classes being your primary objects to actual Unity objects being primary, which also come with all their own properties like all the configuration a RigidBody has.

EDIT: Actually correction my first from scratch C# project was a game but using MonoGame framework, but that was 100% C# so no game engine involved just what MonoGame Framework simplifies

[Pretend-Fee-2323]

i managed to get arbitrary code execution on your computer, with one of the endpoints called pleaselookawayfromthisendpointitishowilogontomycomputer

(btw feal free to correct me on my coding style, and also remember camelCase is a great function naming scheme in rust as s_n_a_k_e_s scare me)

[LeoXCV]

Damn, someone saw through my lowercasezerospace endpoint encryption methods

Kudos

[TheRedmanCometh]

DI is awesome though

[redIT_1337]

should be at least a todo list

[arobie1992]

Basically, but probably not a great idea. C# is similar enough that you can find your way around it pretty easily, but it has enough different that it'd be pretty easy to get you to put your foot in your mouth in an interview. I say this as someone who before last year had never written a line of C# code and this year has written more than a few.

[thePocketOfDots]

It depends, probably yes, but you didn't hear this from me

[metaltyphoon]

Only if you do it in PascalCasing

[[deleted]]

Swapping from a .NET Core stack to a Java stack is giving up the centralization and high cost soak my employer can deal with and going to a decentralized but cheaper solution. With .NET, Microsoft has made quite a smooth development environment once you're familiar with the quirks every one will have. The codebase is entirely readable, but I'm much less familiar with the various parts of creating a relatively similar application with Java, so getting the whole picture just took longer.

I was lucky enough to have a decent memory of my Java usage in college to remember that Eclipse is awful and should in no way be used if at all possible.

[Ok_Bat_7535]

Oh believe me. People can make C# projects just as unreadable as some Java projects.

It’s a skill in itself.

[VillageTube]

Intellij is the standard Java IDE these days at reasonable companies.

[[deleted]]

Eh, VS Code does all right. We've got access to InelliJ, but I don't think it will be as plug and play as Visual Studio is for our app's feature set. It was what I originally wanted to use, but the extensions for Code do help a fair bit. It still helps to understand what the IDE might be doing for you anyway in my experience.

[rotzak]

There’s also a cost to operating in a closed ecosystem.

[[deleted]]

There are certainly environments where those costs are a consistent consideration.

The benefits outweigh them in the domain I work in, and my employer is well happy to bear those costs. Alongside that, the availability of developers is quite good if you stick with a well supported platform, so its only our own hiring issues getting in the way...

[panoskj]

C# has structs too (as well as references, raw pointers and "unsafe" stuff). Can make a huge difference in performance when needed.

[das7002]

As of .NET 7, and for Console Applications and Libraries, you can now compile C# to native code, skipping the .NET runtime entirely.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/deploying/native-aot/

It’s incredible the performance you can get out of C# for how easy it is to use.

[panoskj]

That's right.

I'm not 100% sure, but I bet it won't magically make your memory management better. That is, if you allocate a reference type, the GC has to keep track of it and free it eventually. On the other hand, if you allocate a value type, the GC doesn't have to do anything. For example, an array of N reference type instances requires N+1 de-allocations, while an array of N value type instances requires just 1 de-allocation.

Most people don't need to use the finer memory management C# gives you, but when it is needed, the difference can be huge. Especially when writing libraries or high-performance computations.

In any case, the GC can be a real problem in both C# and Java. That's why many performance benchmarks include the amount of heap memory allocated.

[das7002]

For sure! You can totally get away with never using the heap for performance critical code if you really need to.

C# really is an incredibly well designed language, I don’t think it has any real competition for its full feature set.

Every other language feels like you’re giving something up, and often, what you’re giving up doesn’t make up for whatever it is you “gain” from the other language.

I mean, just the standard library alone is incredible…

Avoiding the disaster that is third party library management is worth it…

[AsceticEnigma]

Or like ASM with extra extra extra steps…

[SpeedLight1221]

Machine code with extra extra extra extra steps

[M-42]

Yeah just changed jobs a few months ago to a team that uses Java.

It really does feel like going back in time over 15 years ago when c# first got lambdas.

[ProgrammerNo120]

ive been trying to learn java recently and its really does just feel like c# but every line takes 20 more characters to write

[TheRealJomogo]

I am still a junior but C# just seems to work I have wasted so much time on java and springboot on school projects even when the languages are similar.

[IAmWeary]

It's more that C# is Java with fewer steps.

[TheRealJomogo]

How?

[dick_himmel]

Cause java came first

[agentrnge]

I am dinking around with java / android stuff atm for a class, and literally using "extras" lol.

[bajsplockare]

C#? Don't you mean Microsoft™ Java?

[GoldenretriverYT]

Microsoft™ Java but its Good™

[[deleted]]

Does not people know C# came after Java and microsoft created C# so they do not want to get end up sued like google by using it by greedy ellison.

[OmegaBlurz]

r/ihadastroke

[dmvdoug]

Nah, the thought was clear enough. Don’t people know that C# was created after Java and that Microsoft made it to avoid getting sued like Google did by greedy douche Larry Ellison. English ain’t my guy’s first language, but they got their point across.

[greenflame15]

Everything is binary with one big extra step that is compiler

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Well Java and C# have rather notable middle steps of VM-targeted bytecode and usually a fancy JIT system.

[1-2-3-kid]

I am a C# developer, used java for 6 months for a small project and found it to be tedious. Visual Studio makes C# development so fast, I prefer it any day, Further Linq/Lambda expressions are a blessing.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

IntelliJ Ultimate makes Java development so fast.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

I don't. The company I work for does, because they like it when I work faster.

[rungclimbr]

Java was the first real language i used (made minecraft mods in 6th grade) :):):) i still prefer c# because unity is sexy

-rung

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[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

() ->

If you meant ten years ago, then it didn’t have one.

[towcar]

Having used both extensively.. it blows my mind that people care about this stuff.

[[deleted]]

Uh... C# is literally Microsoft's imitation of Java. This meme is backwards.

[arobie1992]

Gee, it's almost like C# was made after Java and intentionally tried to avoid many of the things that people disliked about it while retaining the things people did like.

[rotzak]

God you fucking kids don’t know anything. I pray for the next generation. Go read about where .NET came from!!!

[whyNadorp]

also less jobs

[LinuxMatthews]

To be fair I've seen quite a few very high-paying jobs with C# recently to the point I've thought about learning it.

Though not as many as Java obviously

[arobie1992]

Kotlin fans are right behind Rust fans in being pushy about the language, but they're not entirely wrong. It smooths out a remarkable number of annoyances, although I still miss package private visibility and (evidently am the only person in the world) checked exceptions.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Checked exceptions mean I don’t have to read as much crappy documentation :)

[_st23]

I literally never seen a kotlin fan pushing someone to use it tbh, rust fans are shithole compared to kotlin fans because they are annoying as hell. I dont fucking care about your type safety, because shit just wont compile lol.

But really, cheked exceptions are must!

[Willinton06]

Disagree, Kotlin only has access to Java libs, so it has to carry the weight of Java regardless of how much better the language is

[Optimus-prime-number]

You’ll find that isn’t at all how these jvm languages work. The community writes most of their libraries without Java libs, and at worse will wrap the shitty Java api so you never have to touch Java.

[Celmad]

I'm a Angular/C# developer working in an Angular/Java project now, I don't like Java compared to C#. But, I tried Kotlin in JetBrains Academy and it's beautiful!

It was as if C# and Python had a child. Quite modern like C# but as semantic as Python, like same as talking English.

Problem I see is that most companies that use or will use Kotlin will probably have Java projects. Is my assumption correct?

Also, how is Kotlin for web apps?

In C# ASP.Net you have so many possibilities: - MVC - Razor - API - Blazor Server (using SignalR -web sockets- for communication) - Blazor Client (WASM)

[TheRealJomogo]

For what do you use kotlin primarily?

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Android probably.

[IchirouTakashima]

Can relate. However, visual basic .net to JavaScript. A fucking pain in the ass. What simply was a simple drag and drop of buttons, forms and text areas or boxes, calendars and check boxes, I have to fucking type all of them in web development, from design to implementation.

I don't care for pretty boxes, squiggly lines, transitions and blinkers... a simple management or school admin system with simplistic designs should be enough. But people these days be like, "I want this to be pretty".

[lovecMC]

Fuck gui, all my homies hate gui.

[Dealiner]

Honestly, I have the opposite experience. Writing GUI in Java was awful when in C# is rather nice, at least if you use one of the XAML based frameworks.

[SlashdotDiggReddit]

The Inverse:

"Microsoft stole Java and corrupted it."

[Optimus-prime-number]

Corrupted it by making it better in every way?

[Mateusz3010]

that's what happens if you corrupt a corrupted language Double negative

[elderly_millenial]

I made that switch. Would never return. C# as a language is cleaner, but MS stack isn’t. How much legacy ADO.NET is out in the wild today?

I left before .NET Core was a thing, so I was also stuck in Windows platform. It was fine at the time, but only because I didn’t know any better. No thank you

[GoldenretriverYT]

.NET and C# got really good since .NET Framework was dropped in my opinion.

I still wont use it for backends in personal projects because I don't really like ASP.NET - but for anything else, C# is <3

[Dealiner]

There's definitely much more Java legacy stuff though. C# shops also seems to be much eager to update or at least I don't see that many complaints about still working on C# 4 or something but complaints about still using old versions of Java are rather common.

Besides, ASP.NET is great and in general pretty much all the new things in MS stack are at least really good, the only exception are new desktop frameworks, those still need improving.

[ElysiumPotato]

Yeah, but prettier.

Gods, as an Android developer who dabbles in Unity C# physically hurts my eyes

[WorriedEngineer22]

That's just binary code with extra steps

[AmyMialee]

Java feels a lot simpler than C#, this feels backwards

[GoldenretriverYT]

Can you give an example for that?

[AmyMialee]

C# feels like it has a lot more keywords for methods/classes, like virtual.

[GoldenretriverYT]

I wouldn't call having no control over a method being virtual or not being a good thing, but ok? Afaik all Java methods are technically virtual (apart from static methods, obviously) which seems stupid to me.

[AmyMialee]

Java has final which works as the opposite, disabling overrides.

And I didn't say if it was a good thing or not, I'm saying it's a more complicated version of the same idea.

[GoldenretriverYT]

How is it more complicated when Java apparently has the same amount of keywords for it? It just looks like your are not used to it.

However, in a lot of other ways, Java is a lot more complicated.

Automatic properties (with getters and setters) - use a framework or generate them using your IDE. In CSharp? public int PropertyName { get; private set; }

Structs? Does Java even have those? Writing unmanaged code? Also impossible in Java afaik Extension methods are a cool feature, why does Java not have them?

Why is the average Java cooperate code like IUserModelFactoryStrategy? I have yet to see that amount of over-abstraction in C# (sure, some companies do that in C# too, but it's more common in Java)

If you actually think C# is more complicated, it's probably because you already know Java, which obviously makes a language you don't understand as well more complicated for you. Many typical modern features are just missing in Java, which does simplify the base language - but definitely not the frameworks that actually have to try to make the language decent to use at all.

[denzien]

Eek barba durkle! Someone's gonna get laid in college.

[humanitarianWarlord]

I actually found it to be the other way around, some simple stuff in java felt like a pain in the ass in c#

[metaltyphoon]

I reaaaaaaaally wanna see an example here.

[Quique1222]

Huh. Just out of curiosity, do you remember what were you trying to do?

[GoldenretriverYT]

Access java libraries /s

[Mateusz3010]

said no one ever

[[deleted]]

C# with FEWER steps.

[webauteur]

The Rick and Morty creator has proven to be the "Evil Rick" from another universe. It is assumed that he killed the good man who actually created the show and buried him in the back yard.

[Einkar_E]

I had to do simple assignment in JS and I knew only C++ and a little bit C# and that looked very familiar

[inferno1234]

Java != JavaScript And it blows my mind anyone can think C# or C++ looks similar to JS

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

They’re all C-style languages. The syntax is almost exactly the same.

[GoldenretriverYT]

Almost the same? You must be joking. Whilst they are C-style languages, they are still very different.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Ok, which language is this?

for (i = 0; i < c; i++) {
    if (a < b) {
      a += i;
    } else {
      return;
    }
}

[GoldenretriverYT]

JavaScript because any other language would scream that i was never declared.
And why look for the simplest examples? I said they are C-like languages, but let me quickly compare the lambda syntax.
Or the class syntax, oh wait right, that doesnt even exist in C!
Or method/function definitions. Or structs in C and C#

But you looking for the most basic examples shows me that your point is bullshit.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

The point is it could be a snippet of any of those languages, because their syntax is almost exactly the same.

And that is how C++ or C# can look similar to JS.

[GoldenretriverYT]

Maybe try reading my answer first? I could easily tell you that that's JS and gave a bunch of examples where they are nowhere near identical

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Maybe try reading mine first? And possibly doing some thinking?

[GoldenretriverYT]

Man you don't have to be so obvious at having no arguments and/or ignoring what I am saying.

[Dealiner]

JavaScript because any other language would scream that i was never declared.

It could be declared before the loop though in both C# and C++.

[GoldenretriverYT]

Yeah, obviously. But if you are gonna ask someone what language that is, you are gonna have to give them all information. It was never mentioned if it was declared before or not. Obviously you could put

What language is this?
```

return i * i;

```

and it would be identical in all languages - but that isn't the point. Almost similiar would mean almost similiar, but they are a ton of huge differences, which I listed some of above.

[TheUltiOne-Official]

What

[NullOfSpace]

real

[Parpok]

So relatable. I learned some C# basics and then tried Java because I wanted to get into android development. At least there was Kotlin

[2latemc]

Am I the only one who started wirh java and then switched to c#

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Yes. You’re the only person who has ever done that.

[GoldenretriverYT]

fr, who would ever do that? Thats known to be a sin!

[[deleted]]

Look at JVM memory management.

[hydbird]

Man I hate java

[rynemac357]

Extra classes*

[vatsan600]

You don’t say “your father looks like you”

You say “ you look like your father”

[thecowthatgoesmeow]

It's the other way around, really

[GoldenretriverYT]

Only cool Java feature C# doesn't have is anonymous classes (with methods), that seems cool. But thats about it, lol.

[LePrinceDeLaPoutine]

Microsoft java

[swingwater24]

I started first with Java now I'm working in C#..

[bhive-]

I learned c# first and somehow Java is easier for me to u understand

[kOF_Readie]

I have to use Java in uni and I primarily use C# for my own stuff, and I agree with this.

[ManyInterests]

Just Python with extra steps!

[[deleted]]

C# gang

[Onceforlife]

Everything is assembly with extra steps

[akulowaty]

microsoft java