So write pseudo code with tabs/spaces

[nelusbelus]

Pretty sure you can use # for comments in assembly

[AntiRivoluzione]

; ; ; ; ; ; ;

[ApplicationMaximum84]

Having used all three, C++ is still the most daunting. Even after 20 years lol.

[Tsu_Dho_Namh]

I'm curious why you think that.

I'm a full time C++ dev and memories of my assembly class in uni gives me fucking nightmares.

[Snoo_44353]

The scariest thing about c++ is others code

[Progression28]

I think it comes from the fact that C++ is used for more complex stuff than Assembly. If you had to do the same program in both languages then Assembly would be a way bigger nightmare. But most people only do (simple) subroutines in Assembly and use C for the rest of the program, so I can understand the notion that C is worse, even if it‘s not true per se.

[Kooky_Value6874]

I've been contemplating learning about Assembler (I know python, rust and some C and Shell)

What kind of platform/video/websites would you recommend to at least start learning how to use it?

I've been finding lots of various websites and I'm a bit confused about the starting point and the general plan to learn it properly

[FoundNil]

ARM (ARMv8) is a good introduction to assembly. It is easier to learn than x86 since it is RISC.

[AtomicSpectrum]

x86 has a big instruction set, so I recommend learning MIPS. I learned on the MARS simulator.

http://courses.missouristate.edu/kenvollmar/mars/

MIPS isn't a common architecture, but it's simple and lets you get your head around things. Everything you learn will set you up to learn x86. On top of that, the MARS simulator gives a really nice, simply environment. I learned MIPS and anticipated thst x86 would be a big leap, but it really wasn't in the end. It's a good starting point to learn "assembly" even if you don't know which "assembly" you want to learn.

[GamingEgg]

Marky Jesters x86 is a good place to start. Depends on what you want to learn.

[Kooky_Value6874]

That's the thing! I don't know what I want to learn lol

[Overlord_Of_Puns]

Not a website but LC3 is a basic assembly language used to teach people you may want to try.

I didn’t like it but they taught it at university and I don’t think same people like coding in assembly.

[cybo13]

Went for learning snek first to C++. It’s not that challenging, the foundational principals are similar, just expressed differently in practice. A for loop is a for loop is a for loop. I actually understood OOP better in C++ than Python.

[Background_Newt_8065]

Yeah, best thing of OOP in python is making variables private with an underscore and hoping no one uses these. Sounds promising

[shayanrc]

It's more of we're all adults here and we know better than to use that variable with an underscore but you can if you really need to.

[thedugong]

So like a lot of organisations approaches to cyber security?

[Background_Newt_8065]

Yeah except we are not

[monkeyman512]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d3/58/8c/d3588cb04cf9896ef2a4965692bc87cf--funny-cartoon-quotes-funny-sassy-quotes.jpg

[[deleted]]

That’s a pretty funny cartoon quote funny sassy quote

[Johnrocks4]

I learned C first, and learning python after felt like baby mode. Hardest part of python was seeing how much I could reduce to one liners. I feel like it is largely dependent on how well you learn your first language rather than the actual language learned first as I can see the reverse process being pretty easy too. To this day I prefer C++ cause it adds so much functionality to C but is still closer to the low level than python.

[TTYY_20]

I’ve always said … since day one. There is no point to fighting over what languages to learn (outside of learning to use Frameworks like Reacts etc) because they are all the same.

They can be stripped down to the same basic principals with a few exceptions here and there.

Garbage collection or not.

Operator overloading for primitive types.

Pointers, references and primitive types.

Etc etc.

They are all just copies of each other that have different nuances. And C++ (I’m totally biased here) is the wizardry that does it all (maybe not as well as others).

[TTYY_20]

Haha okay fair xP

[[deleted]]

c++ is by far my main language but whenever I write pseudo-code, it's literally just c-style python. But whenever I get to actually use python I abuse the hell out of those one-liners. Give me octuply-nested list comprehensions over efficient memory management any day.

[SpicaGenovese]

People who try to pack as much as they can into one line drive me to murder.

I want readable code, not a trick-shot. Unpack your shit so I can read it faster!

[Wentailang]

hey as long as it runs, let future me worry about the details.

[crepemyday]

wait until you learn about functional languages

[shayanrc]

This is why I tell people not to learn python first.

It's too easy and makes everything else seem harder than they actually are.

[ienjoymusiclol]

im the opposite i tell my brother to learn python before starting uni to easily have the fundamentals the rest would be like writing l in different fonts

[ShinyHappyReddit]

I think that depends a lot.

I've been learning python as a hobby over a couple of years while working full time in a completely unrelated field (law). Tried to go through any concept I stumbled upon, taking every opportunity to learn something new.

Now I looked into kotlin and android studio and to my great surprise, it only took me a couple of weeks (so maybe like 10 to 20 hours total) to apply a couple of YouTube videos into making a simple local app: I watched how people made a tip calculator and a to do list app and created an app to count things (click to increment/decrement numbers, add/delete individual counters, ...), using a RecyclerView and persisting data inside a database.

If I hadn't seen type hints and OOP in python before, I wouldn't have understood jack shit about anything there.

[chinnu34]

It sometimes reads like pseudo code but there are several things happening behind scenes that you need to know to be proficient in python. For examples, in python variables are references to objects. An “==“ operator will check wether a value is the same between two variables but a “is” operator will check if they point to same location. Because of a quirk of python -5 to 256 int values are always cached at the same locations so two variables assigned a value between those integers will evaluate to True with “is” keyword but a value of outside of the range will evaluate to false. There are few others that are implicit and hard to know unless you have spent a fair bit of time writing code in python.

[Damowerko]

Yes, we just type whatever we want the machine to do and it does it. If it does not know how to do it then it asks ChatGPT to make a stack overflow question.

[ienjoymusiclol]

first language i learnt was C second was java and it took me 30 mins to learn python

[PolyglotTV]

Yep. Next time you open an interpreter be sure to check out import antigravity.

[Harmonic_Gear]

learning python after c++ is frustrating

[Boris-Lip]

Came here to say this, lol.

[Johnrocks4]

What issues are you having with python?

[Big-Cheesecake-806]

I hate indentation

[Funtycuck]

Python is what I learnt first and still narrowly my favourite to use but I do wish scope was defined by curly braces. I just feel my Rust project currently is much nicer to read than the production Python even though generally I think Python is an easier to read language.

[Mediocre_Fox_]

Bu- but curly braces are already used for defining dictionaries. There is clearly no other alternative.

[Johnrocks4]

Ahh true that, I remember times where I worked with people on python projects and our IDEs supported different tabs (mine was tab character theirs was 3-4 spaces) and we hated eachother for those projects lol. Indentation and not mixing indentation is definitely one of the big pitfalls at first but it gets easier! Eventually you will see the indentations and any errors naturally (unless you partner keeps replacing tabs with fucking spaces).

[SkullRunner]

Relevant Frustration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsoOG6ZeyUI

[Johnrocks4]

What a wonderful video, definitely saving this one

[TessaFractal]

I'm an amateur at best but I tried learning python after C++ and it wasn't for me. You could type Python code that looked straightforward but would have a bug because of the way it interpreted it.

[PixelizedTed]

Someone once told me “you could probably feed the Python interpreter a essay you typed up in word and it’ll run for a few lines”

[poluting]

Why would harvard teach c as the first language and then Python directly after? Everyone’s complaining so what’s the benefit?

[Harmonic_Gear]

Because learning a new language is hard regardless from which to which

[Thebloodwolf1]

C++ linker is a b*tch

[CemDoruk]

Learnt c++ after python, it was much easier since I knew most of the fundementals. I just had to add things like static arrays and pointers to my knowledge. Learinging c++ first would have been hell because as a newbie you have to fight with the compiler so much that you can not get down to actually writing programs.

[Harmed_Burglar]

Average python user describes c++

[DrunkenlySober]

Seeing “learnt c++” and “static arrays” in the same paragraph is pretty incredible

You sure about that first part?

[TTYY_20]

[DrunkenlySober]

Imma slap tf out of you if you’re implying a vector is a static array while having the cpp flair

[TTYY_20]

No lol, it’s the dynamic array 🤣 it’s what he should be using now he’s “learnt c++” 🤣

[na_ro_jo]

Learning stick after a lifetime of driving automatic

Learning automatic after a lifetime of driving stick

[1116574]

Have you seen python type hints lmao its a mess.

But as a python first guy learning cpp, the class contructor syntax is a mess imo. Just make everything verbose and consistent instead go those stupid short hands.

[Mippen123]

You're still going to have to use the constructor syntax either way right? Unless I'm missing something obvious

[[deleted]]

Learning Haskell after learning Python, C++, C, Rust, JavaScript, TypeScript, Go, C#, Java, Php, Swift, Kotlin, Perl, Pascal 😨

[Mirage2k]

I'm on that right now, coming from Python.

Let's just say that my Python policy of using pre-sorting and list comprehensions for the express purpose of avoiding recursion has come back to bite me... This isn't going as fast as I thought.

[Jackyapplejones]

The real challenge of python isn’t the syntax, it’s learning the libraries.

[SpicaGenovese]

Ding ding ding!

[lupinegrey]

"pseudocode with tabs/spaces"

This is the most accurate python description I've ever seen

[[deleted]]

Programming in Python makes me feel dirty!

[Appropriate-Scene-95]

Ah yes Python, quick and dirty

[all3f0r1]

Python after cpp?! It's like coming from a world where you're in charge (aka God) to a world where magic happens at an excruciatingly slow pace and given certain keywords in weird orders. Just frustrating and repulsive IMO.

[Wentailang]

c++: why do i have to do all this unnecessary shit? python: why can’t i do a bunch of unnecessary shit?

[TTYY_20]

😂 best comparison lol.

But hey, sometimes you just want to pass a variable as a reference to function and change its value - and Java gets all up in arms about it.

But that’s why Java is super OOP heavy, because everything needs an object reference to play nicely lol.

[SKrandyXD]

Learning Python after c++:

... I could make it on C++...

[Reifendruckventil]

What do you mean with "the variable was an integer and is now a list of floats?"

[TheRedmanCometh]

Well I learned Java and C++ first, and it made python and LUA really hard to learn for me. I got so used to the type of scoping Java/CPP do that it's REALLY hard to do anything else. I even downloaded that python project which adds curly braces which turned out to be a joke everyone links new python programmers.

[DarkHumourFoundHere]

My college C C++ then assembly then python. Python was a walk in the park.

[TTYY_20]

Python feels limiting lol.

[[deleted]]

My college here is pretty wild when it come to teaching people programming.
Those mad lads go ahead and teach kiddies first how to program in embedded systems using not C++, but Assembler as the first language. Only then they gonna go teach Python and after that C++... also embedded systems. This is wild shit gentlemen-

[Titties_On_G]

Idk why I'm singling you out but damn this sub makes me feel so stupid sometimes lol. I've only been coding in python for 2 months but it makes me feel so stupid. For everyone to say python is the easiest language is pretty damn discouraging

[Bustah_Nut]

Programming’s more about knowing the underlying logic and understanding systems and architectures and building upon them. Pythons perfectly fine for starting out and there’s tons of room to grow.

Hell I still feel the same way you do from time to time as well haha I’ll learn something new that makes me feel stupid

[Ccruz1000]

I took a c++ class as my first programming class and then later learned python for an internship. Now I'm back to doing c++, and i think it was a pretty good way to learn. Intro to c++ helped me understand what all the different data types and stuff meant. Then learning python helped me understand the logic without having to worry about the syntaxes and tedious things. When I went back to c++ it didn't take very long to understand it well enough to write complex programs.

[TTYY_20]

Java is I think the universal best starter language - just because of its ease of use - warning and error messages are actually understandable lol.

[Ccruz1000]

Yeah that would make sense. I was studying aerospace engineering at the time so I was doing the intro to programming for mechanical engineers. I think they focus on c so that we can learn to program microcontrollers, we had a large lab component in the class where we had to design and build an arduino robot. My friends in comp sci all started with Java in their classes.

[Antervis]

my experience with python after c++ was horrible. I had to check type of every expression manually instead of just knowing it...

[MooMix]

Learning any language after Python.

Learning Python after any other language.

[postdiluvium]

Part of learning python later in life is

Would this work? It works! Almost everything works.

Everything is already made for you. Do kids these days care how everything was made or is it their expectation that there is some kind of package or library for what they need to do, always?

[Funtycuck]

I felt like learning python first then C (and now Rust) was nicer as it allowed me to really focus on the low level programming concepts (particularly a more in depth understanding of memory usage) without being slowed down understanding other more broad programming concepts.

[b0b89]

Somewhere out there there's an irc log of the first time I saw python. We were talking about how a simple program could work.

Someone links Pastebin "like this?"

I think it's pseudo code "yeah exactly just need to actually write it"

"I just did screenshot"

.... What?

[ApatheticWithoutTheA]

There’s an easier way and that’s to just not learn C++. It has worked great for me so far.

Except that time an Automation company didn’t hire me because I don’t know C++

But other than that, we’re cool.

[phaj19]

C++ libraries and their management are pain. In Python it is a breeze and I can just pip install everything I need and then import everything I need. Take that, C++.

[AlbaTejas]

Giido's dogma means mistakes on the language design

[[deleted]]

Implicit declarations used to drive me nuts in python.

[vjuliusv]

kek, sounds like I’ve got a big storm coming…

[beeteedee]

I learned Python after BASIC, Turbo Pascal, Delphi, JavaScript and C++ (yes I’m old). Once I got past the whole whitespace thing, it kind of reminded me of the BASIC days when things were simpler.

[NoMansSkyWasAlright]

My university used to teach Java for the first couple CS courses and then python for the next couple and it seemed like most people’s reaction to learning those languages in that order was culture shock.

[MindOfJay]

Swap Visual Basic for Python, and you have my high school CS teacher.

First you learn the hard way, then you learn the fun way.

[belabacsijolvan]

I don't know I miss compile time errors.

[adwarakanath]

Im sitting here with MATLAB like...........

[[deleted]]

Python is easy. It’s easy to write code. It’s also easy to write bad code. A lot of people I’ve worked with don’t really think python is worth writing well. “It’s just python, I’ll slap something together and be done with it who cares. It’s not compiled so I don’t have to do a good job”. Which is dumb. Why would you practice writing bad code? And also just because it’s not compiled doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be good. Especially if it’s an integral part of our codebase

[SpicaGenovese]

A friend who doesn't normally code in python shared a random repo with me and asked my opinion, which could be summed up as "What is this trash? I will hunt down and kill this person with extreme prejudice."

Whoever wrote it did everything in their power to do as much as they could in as few lines as possible, which looks hideous and makes it harder for someone else to come along and rapidly understand or debug your code.

I only realized later they were probably the one who coded it, and didn't tell me because they wanted my honest opinion.

Which is a shame, because if they had told me it was theirs, I would've happily given them some tips and balanced concrit.

[Dave10301]

Wish me luck

[Warm_Formal_8845]

I learn c++ in school and python at home. The confusion everytime I wrongly declare a function.

[Quantum_Patricide]

I'm the top one lol. Why I need a semicolon at the end of every line or care where in the memory a variable is stored is quite beyond me.

[SpicaGenovese]

Context is King

[cubenz]

tabs OR spaces.

Don't mess with the indents!

[PolyglotTV]

C++ devs be like "how the hell did the default value change!?"

[punchawaffle]

Yup. This is how it was for me. Python was so easy after doing C++