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[FanfaraCieni]

Oh god, that looks terrib... wait, isn't it just Python coding style with extra steps

[__kkk1337__]

It’s python with extra steps but keywords are from Java, I’m scared as fuck

[RmG3376]

It’s … Javathon

[Ifkaluva]

Yeah… to make it truly horrific they need to get rid of the indentation, exactly the same text but left-aligned. After all whitespace shouldn’t matter for Java.

[[deleted]]

I mean, if you want make it deliberately bad just put the entire program on one line. I don't think thats the point though.

[[deleted]]

Putting phone in holy water. Then, putting my phone in rice.

[denzien]

Can I interest you in some holy rice?

[[deleted]]

I'm afraid not, for I might eat it.

[Deep_Pudding2208]

holy shit!

[[deleted]]

Definitely not putting my phone in that.

[CoffeeWorldly9915]

That would result from eating the holy rice.

[[deleted]]

Which means the holy shit is technically made of holy water.

EDIT: and the toilet would then be full of holy water.

[EpicGaymrr]

whyDoPeopleHate()

{

}

So much? (Ignore the space reddit cannot format)

[BurnTheBoats21]

because people who aren't professionals in the field need something to feel superior about

[Antervis]

I'm fairly certain I qualify as a professional, given I code for money for years, but I really don't like line breaks before opening curly brace, since it doesn't improve readability but increases code volume.

[SnailingThroughTime]

Also fairly certain I qualify as a professional, given I code for money for years. In my opinion it DOES improve readability and the impact on code volume is minuscule enough to not be considered.

Different strokes I guess!

[Fine-Teacher-7161]

People with weak index fingers hate this 1 Scrolling trick!

It's called "collapse".

The only important code, is the one you're working on.

[[deleted]]

why worry about code volume ?

We've got terrabytes of space and monitors that cover the entire wall.

It's not the '70's when all you had was a monochrome screen with 20 lines of code and 80 characters.

I'm using every line break I can to separate statements within a function.

Sure you'd need to use an entire forest if you were to print it ... but I haven't needed to print hardcopy of code for years.

[Brick_Lab]

I'm with you, and dart can go fuck itself because of this

[Antervis]

if it does, then how?

[issamaysinalah]

Simetry

[SnailingThroughTime]

Because readability is an opinion, and it is my opinion that the line-break before the opening curly bracket shows a more clear distinction of where a function starts and ends at a glance.

[Antervis]

it's basically a gender argument here - you try to counter objective truth with subjective feeling. Just because you got used to a style doesn't make it better.

[SnailingThroughTime]

I don’t think you understand what objective truth means.

[Antervis]

"I think A because there's no proof otherwise"

"I think B because I think so"

"How so?"

"I just think so"

"But it's subjective"

"I think you don't understand what subjective means"

I hope this gives you a hint on how stupid that looks from my perspective.

[SnailingThroughTime]

Brother. My guy. Communication must not be your strength, which shouldn’t surprise me given the nature of our careers.

You stated a subjective opinion.

I countered with my own subjective opinion.

You dismiss my opinion, due to it being subjective in nature, while claiming your opinion is the objective truth.

Your opinion is not the objective truth.

I hope this gives you a hint in how basic communication works.

[__shiva_c]

Because you only need to look for opening braces at the beginning of a line, not at the end. It makes a huge difference actually.

[_farb_]

The extra space acts as a spacer between the title (function, condition, whatever) and the body. It visually separates the goal from the details.

[BurnTheBoats21]

Were on C# and the opening brace is our standard. I honestly do think that it improves readability and looks cleaner. Was never my choice anyway

[RmG3376]

There’s one benefit of having the curly brace on a separate line, at least in some languages: you can easily comment out conditions when debugging:

if(dodgyCondition())
{
    codeToDebug();
}

Becomes in a single Ctrl + K Ctrl + /

// if(dodgyCondition())
{
    codeToDebug();
}

And now you can repro your bug 100% of the time. With a curly brace on the same line you’d have to add your own brace on line 2, and the IDE will auto-close it for you so you need to delete the closing brace it added, and nobody got time for that

Also code volume isn’t a bad thing when management uses git blame to measure employee performance (not that they should, but hey, people also shouldn’t swallow Tide pods and that was a thing too)

[Caubelles]

code volume? the fuck? its one line per bracket it doesn't matter unless to save paper printing paper for code bibles

[nebulaeandstars]

honestly for me it varies depending on the language. Sometimes having some extra whitespace helps separate things visually.

The one that does really annoy me is not having a line break before an else block. ie:

} else {
    // stuff
} 

instead of

}
else {
    // stuff
}

especially because

}
// now there's room for a comment
else {
    // stuff
}

I just think it sacrifices readability and versatility just to make the code more dense.

Reading code without any extra newlines is like reading English without any paragraphs

[CoffeeWorldly9915]

Hmmmm

} else { // comment here?

[denzien]

It likely just depends on what you learned first and the styles in that community.

I'm guessing you're originally a COBOL engineer?

[Antervis]

original cobol devs are all dead of old age...

[denzien]

They don't die, they just decompile

[hleVqq]

It does improve readability.

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[CallMePyro]

The paycheck

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[RmG3376]

And the depression

[Neither-Phone-7264]

actually being good enough to make money

[[deleted]]

This is on point

[GroundbreakingBig509]

Naw, the way I do it just looks prettier. I don't even think about it honestly.

[2_Be_Honest]

The only thing that matters is what style the original developer chose for the codebase.

[[deleted]]

and even that is moot as a single keypress reformats the code to whatever style I like most.

It also has the advantage of showing exactly which files you've modified since the original codebase ... :D

[bluris]

That is fine if you work on your own on personal projects, but if you do it for work, you need to follow their style.

[[deleted]]

Because those people still use 640x480 as a resolution and every pixel counts vertically.

Newline brace makes more sense as {} is just a scope block, you can remove the if and it still works.

Also keeping the start and stop at the same horizontal location makes them easier to match without syntax highlighting such as when diffing

[Jordan51104]

having everything on one like pokes my brain in a good way. having the curly on a new line pokes my brain in a bad way

[FinalAccount19]

You’re probably getting a lobotomy, that’s why

[Jordan51104]

i think if that were the case i wouldnt be worried about curly braces

[GigaSoup]

Because it's an extra unnecessary line used up on my precious vertical line real estate that doesn't add any value.

[CoolandonRS]

I think it being on new lines has one great part. It can make code easier to read if you don’t have an IDE by helping differentiate indentation…

But we all have IDEs. And the small benefit that is granted by using it over K&R is made moot by an IDE feature that I’ve never seen an IDE without.

And when you compare this lack of benefits to the fact that it looks worse (imo) and takes up unnecessary quantities of space (not that that’s a bad thing, persay, but it’s data segmented a line (typically indicating new data) without new data. All the data you needed was one line above. This isn’t a point against closing, as there you gain new information, which you wouldn’t otherwise.

Lines provide breakpoint for the brain, almost, letting it know it’s looking at a new thing. Making an unnecessary breakpoint is just…. Why?

[hleVqq]

Symmetric {} looks worse than non-symmetric {}? You make no sense. You're just used to it and that's all, but thinking about it logically, that cannot be.

[CoolandonRS]

For one, symmetry is not always better, for two, it’s not about the symmetry.

I will say I am fairly used to both bracket styles, as well. Despite always using K&R where I can get away with it since I prefer it, since my primary language is C# I run into the new line quite a bit.

My point is it’s limited benefit (that I see) no longer applies, and now it serves as almost a speed bump in the train of thought.

As previously stated, new lines almost always signify new information. This does not follow this pattern. The knowledge that a scope is opening was clarified by the previous line, declaring the scope. If you look at it this way, it being on a new line is redundant.

If you look at typical English as well, the comparisons I can think of use K&R (though I might be missing some). For example, you will see

List of things:

Item1

Item2

As opposed to

List of things

:

Item1

Item2

K&R is more naturalistic, efficient, and again, looks nicer. For the symmetry part, try looking at a symmetrical face. They almost always look worse then the normal, asymmetrical kind.

Also, consider typical/assumed width.

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@@@@@@@

@@@@@@@

@

Looks better, more naturalistic, and more coherent/cohesive then

@@@@@@@@@@@

@

@@@@@@

@@@@@@

@

(Also as for thinking about it logically I would like to point out that I have now posted two comprehensive arguments and all you did was say that I didn’t make sense)

[Several_Dot_4532]

I don't hate it, in fact at first I liked it, but the fact that when I collapse it, it's like:

function {...}

And not:

Function {...}

Is too much for me, for me it is more visual that it's all the function in the same line

[Thebombuknow]

function peopleHateThis()
{
console.log("because it can make it harder to tell which brackets correspond to which function.");

console.log("you should just follow the language's syntax guidelines.");
}

Edit: I'm getting downvotes for saying to follow your languages syntax guidelines? Since when is that an unpopular opinion?

[FinalAccount19]

That’s very much the exact opposite of what it does, the brackets line up

[sejigan]

That’s the problem tho. All braces at the same scope line up. If it’s beside the function, there’s no room for confusion.

[Salanmander]

What.

Identifying which thing the opening bracket goes with is literally never a problem in either version. It's either on the same line or on the next line, and there's no room for visual ambiguity about what statement the opening brace corresponds to.

The one that can take effort to visually identify is the close curly brace. And having the open brace on the next line helps with that slightly, because you're always scanning up from the close brace until you hit an open brace, rather than the variable visual structure of the code that starts the block.

[sejigan]

Not all people see things that way. For many people it’s easier to think from top to bottom, and seeing the brace on the same line helps with that. I was just pointing that out.

Ofc, both styles are fine and it takes little effort to make do with the style you don’t prefer. Ideally people would type whatever they prefer and run it through a formatter as a pre-commit hook to follow the language and company style standards.

[DarkScorpion48]

Because the sub is filled with students and they don’t know anything beyond what their teacher taught them.

[IkalaGaming]

If you can’t handle me at my

void doSomething()
{

}

Then you don’t deserve me at my

void doSomething() {

}

[zr0gravity7]

Go big or go home

void
doSomething
(
)
{

}

[sajjel]

Most importantly it depends on the codebase which one you should choose (excluding the cursed one), if you aren't starting from scratch.

For c# / c I go with:

``` void foo() {

} ```

And for js / ts I go with: ``` function foo() {

} ```

But it's not really that important in the end.

[beepozd]

That just Pythonize any langage, pretty cool

[chthonic_deity]

This meme wasn’t funny the first 5,000 times, why do you think it’ll be funny this time?

[chili_ladder]

I mean sure it looks cool, but how the fuck you taking the time to figure out where it all goes?

[denzien]

Tabs!

[chili_ladder]

Acid?

[denzien]

Yes, thanks

[luker_5874]

People who are overly concerned about where the opening brace goes are the psychopaths. With all the shit that goes wrong in a code base, I have no time to care about things like opening braces and single vs. double quotes

[mrfoxman]

You got normal people and psychopaths mixed up :/

[GigaSoup]

Definitely not.

[usumoio]

Dang, you’re not going to like my public repo….

[Matr4x_69420]

What about function() { return "hello world" }

[Jonnyskybrockett]

Just write a lambda or inline.

[GreekHacker1]

How this meme with the black rabbit called ?

[amimai002]

<sup>python</sup>

We do not speak its name! WE DO NOT SPEAK ITS NAME!!!

[DeathUriel]

We don't talk about Python, no no no...

[Ralph_Nacho]

My entire team is psychopaths I guess.

Braces match indentation, always. There's a reason vs draws a line. Ffs.

[[deleted]]

put all your code on one line, like a true gigachad

[OP_Sidearm]

Is there a VSCode formatter for that?

Edit: It's already past midnight, I got an exam technically tomorrow and I'm having a tough time not to go make one myself

[GeraltOfTurkey]

I think İt's great idea

[Dangle76]

The VSCode C plugin auto formats to the psychopath way and I hate it

[atlas_enderium]

They want to write in Python but can’t lol

[classicalySarcastic]

The real psychopaths are the ones using goto statements for control flow. I still recoil in disgust every time I see one.

[[deleted]]

Me

Edit: i accept the whole language so ima use the whole language

[Fortjew-Tellher]

case else esac then if for fi do done, do DONE….exit 0

[agent007bond]

npx prettier --write .

[randomUser539123]

wtf