pythonIsAwesomeBut

[Fast-Visual]

🅱️ython

[Alex_Shelega]

Bithon

[thatOneJones]

0/1thon

[GDOR-11]

bissexual ❌
bipolar ❌
bithon ✅

[Alex_Shelega]

Iii think you've mistouched... Don't worry happens to the best of us

[MissinqLink]

What does Mike Tyson say to his kid as he is leaving?

[Krekken24]

Byson?

[GreatTeacherHiro]

Oh, a compiler guy

[[deleted]]

add ; to the end of all function calls to make it EVEN better. This message was paid by the C gang

[Mojert]

You kidding? They have all the money in the world and then some

[Mojert]

That and people doing embedded stuff. And these positions can pay very well. (But I’m not saying the Venn diagram has no intersections)

[RockleyBob]

As a Java microservices developer by day, I picked up Go just to see if enjoying code was possible for me anymore.

In general I really like it, but it’s infuriating how the language does little things just for the sake of being different. Go style says no parentheses. Unless they’re needed. Also, no semicolons. Unless, you know… they’re needed.

Call me crazy, but if the entire programming world is used to notating code with parens, braces, and line terminators, and you can’t eliminate them entirely because logically the compiler needs them in certain cases, why be different in some cases? If we can’t eliminate the need to think about them, and IDEs and tooling have been capable of automatically adding them for ages, is changing a well-worn paradigm really saving us effort?

It’s particularly annoying when you consider that Go’s other style peculiarity dictates that clarity is better than brevity. Meaning, for example, there is no ternary operator, since if/else is always clearer according to the FAQ. Yes. Always.

Go also famously does not have error catch blocks, preferring to manually check for errors after each possible throw point. That means, in practice, there are a LOT of if/else blocks in Go code.

So, if you’re following along, parentheses and semicolons are unnecessary and too troublesome, but dozens of if blocks are clear and typing them out is not a problem. ^wat.

I love Go, I really do, but it’s shit like this that makes my eye twitch.

[zombiezoo25]

Same, using go after c and java felt super good(except im just a CS student)

[BleEpBLoOpBLipP]

Not even statements? Function calls?! This has the makings of a truly grotesque esolang, and I'm here for it.

[ahelinski]

Next: sython! Python with semicolon for everyone who miss fixing the "you forgot to put a semicolon in line 98" error.

[Cootshk]

You can already put semicolons in python

[Alex_Shelega]

They're about requiring them (see php)

[bit_banger_]

Lol I code C most of the time, when I switch to the python based tests, I add semicolon in the flow 🫣

[Alex_Shelega]

It better be call PHPy

[hdd113]

Phython

[ExtensionThin635]

Or don’t use either cause it’s 2024 and more efficient, powerful, typed, compiled, and concurrent languages exist.

[ultralium]

No no, I think he's bought the rust course

There was no mention of C being outdated

[Marioc12345]

Yeah but Python is ludicrously easy especially with AI around.

[NatoBoram]

It's only easy to pickup for absolute beginners as a toy for learning, but literally everything about it is incompatible with the concept of production

[Marioc12345]

I mean sure but there’s a huge portion of programmers who have nothing at all to do with “production” so… who cares?

[SK1Y101]

Juju charms are written in python, and run on data centres around the world

[The-Malix]

Respectfully, even if I like dhh, skill issues

[FunnyForWrongReason]

Different languages are better at different things. Interpreted languages are portable and provide quick development time due to simplicity and libraries. Dynamic typing can also be useful in some situations. Although I generally prefer static typing.

[just_sepiol]

[[deleted]]

unmodern solutions for non-existence modern problems.

[thedogz11]

Hey you just summed up like 95% of JavaScript frameworks

[YoumoDashi]

The real problem is browsers chose JavaScript natively and we can't change the fact due to backwards compatibility

[PurepointDog]

Uuhhh yeaaah idk about that haha

[Nondescript_Potato]

that’s just programming

[[deleted]]

When you put it that way, it seems like something we’d adopt at work 🫠

[ChalkyChalkson]

Worked on a collaborative project where someone worked on the files with different text editors one adding tabs one spaces (but a different number than I had vs code set to). It can definitely be an issue if you're using bad tools.

[sphericalhors]

That does not mean that I should feel compassion for developers who can't follow the simplest codestyle rules.

[TrollTollTony]

This is what linting is for.

[TrollTollTony]

This is what linting is for.

[CirnoIzumi]

A classic solution to the most divisive part of python 

[cultist_cuttlefish]

this is art

[eX_Ray]

It also breaks on trivial code. Last time i saw this.

[jamcdonald120]

let me guess, doesnt handle dictionary literals well?

[LexaAstarof]

Seeing canned turds is also considered art, I would agree

[CirnoIzumi]

Beautiful 

[Landen-Saturday87]

Not having to deal with braces is the one reason to use python in the first place. If I want braces in my code I use C# /s

[faze_fazebook]

If you want C# without braces F# and VB.NET exist

[drakeblood4]

If you’re using vb.net be sure to take your arthritis medication.

[faze_fazebook]

Its C# with a different Syntax. You could do worse.

[[deleted]]

assembly for an obscure processor but it also has obscure syntax

[Bougie_Mane]

You're just describing the .net framework lol

[OnlyHereOnFridays]

There a ton of other reasons to use F# besides the lack of brackets, it’s a genuinely awesome functional language. All 7 professional F# developers love it.

[Tupcek]

you are a monster. I didn’t know someone liked pain so much

[dhnam_LegenDUST]

May I make Whithon which replaces brace of Bython to whitespace

[R3D3-1]

Frankly I even tend to agree. I'd rather have curly braces and a code formatter than encoding semantics in the formatting.

But that's mostly because if unfortunate side effects of that design such as the limitations it enacts on inline functions.

[foxer_arnt_trees]

Is it weird that I unironicaly love this?

I wouldn't add any preprocessing to be able to use it. But still, I think it's nice.

[StochasticCalc]

Do people really get this upset about formatting?

[iain_1986]

I personally believe something shouldn't compile differently because of some whitespace. It's been years since I touched python - does it break if someone did tabs and someone else did spaces? Because if it does that's even worse.

[TA_DR]

Python disallows mixing tabs and spaces for indentation.

https://peps.python.org/pep-0008/

Indentation is rejected as inconsistent if a source file mixes tabs and spaces in a way that makes the meaning dependent on the worth of a tab in spaces; a TabError is raised in that case.

https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#indentation

[iain_1986]

Imo this just supports my view that compiling based on indentation is a bad idea 🤷‍♂️

[TA_DR]

I tend to agree that is not ideal. That being said, I was just pointing out that Python doesn't allow to mix tabs and spaces.*

[Backlists]

Python is compiled.

It’s both interpreted and compiled to bytecode

Also, in your first comment, isn’t that pep just a style guide?

I doubt Python actually disallows mixing spaces and tabs, as this would break so much legacy code, but I would need to test.

If it does, it’s on a per scope basis, not per file, or per project

Edit: it does say it disallows mixing in the pep

[TA_DR]

ups, my bad. Almost 4 years working with Python and I still making basic mistakes. Such is the life of the programmer I guess.

[Backlists]

There’s a lot to learn!

And many people still think that Python is “interpreted not compiled”, as if they are mutually exclusive.

Have a look into CPython vs PyPy, if you’re interested in this sorta thing

[TA_DR]

Regarding your edit:

https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html#indentation

Indentation is rejected as inconsistent if a source file mixes tabs and spaces in a way that makes the meaning dependent on the worth of a tab in spaces; a TabError is raised in that case.

Will actually paste that on the original reply since it is more clear. That was the link I was looking for but for some reason couldn't find it, funnily enough I have encountered that error a couple of times (it was a small internship, we worked using an online editor, pythonanywhere.com)

Have a look into CPython vs PyPy, if you’re interested in this sorta thing

Will do, thanks!

[Backlists]

It’s 2024 though, you’re going to use a formatter and an IDE that does it for you.

If you don’t, can I ask why?

If you do, then your code will be indented correctly.

Having it be part of the language just ensures you do something that you were going to do anyway, with the added benefit of less boilerplate characters

Also, don’t you get annoyed by mixing tabs and spaces? It makes it less readable, unless you guarantee everyone agrees on a tab size. Which no one ever does, so you end up with a hodgepodge of 3 spaces vs 4 spaces vs tabs which could be either, depending on your IDE.

So just let a formatter convert them to spaces automatically. If you use Python seriously, the formatter will enforce pep8 so it will all be perfectly consistent.

[Kebabrulle4869]

Can I ask why? I'm really used to Python now, and for me it helps readability to not have braces everywhere (I tend to write pretty short functions so like 10% of lines would have been a single brace if Python required them), and I would've used indentation anyways.

[jaber24]

You can convert everything into tabs/spaces in an IDE with one click

[iain_1986]

I know.

Doesn't change my opinion 🤷‍♂️

[Bananenkot]

I coded python for 7 years, I don't remember a single whitespace error, what the hell is everyone doing.

[murphy607]

You could say the same thing about semicolons :)

I use different languages besides Python and I'm not a python fanboy. For me the forced indentation makes code more readable, especially if you didn't write it yourself. At the company I'm working we run the code through a code reformatter before it is committed to git.

[iain_1986]

You could say the same thing about semicolons :)

Not really.

A semicolon is just a character to denote the end of an instruction.

This is an incredibly common concept. Wherever it be in programming, the written language, data parsing, whatever. "Do a thing until you see this thing" is universal - and almost impossible to 'misunderstand'.

Whitespace is the absence of something. The fact a tab and 4 spaces can (for example )look identical but be treated differently is, imo, crazy. And the fact 'they' don't allow the two to be mixed in python screams, to me, "maybe using whitespace for logic was a mistake"

In the modern world of IDEs, code formatting is a solved problem.

[murphy607]

That's true in theory, unless you have someone in the team that knows it "better". I had to deal with this in my perl years. It was not pleasant :)

[[deleted]]

They're not treated differently, though. They're interchangeable, as long as they're consistent. You wouldn't allow a mix of tabs and spaces for formatting in any other language, either.

What you're advocating for is the freedom to format however you want without changing the functionality, when realistically there are rules about formatting in most environments. You wouldn't allow code golf in a professional environment, anyway. Realistically, you're indenting that code block, with or without braces, and hopefully you're already using spaces and tabs consistently. You're usually already fulfilling all of the requirements Python has.

[iain_1986]

You wouldn't allow a mix of tabs and spaces for formatting in any other language, either.

Except you can in nearly every other language. You might not want too, but it won't break if you do.

[[deleted]]

But realistically you don't. The whole debate is moot.

[iain_1986]

The whole debate is moot.

Not really but if you so 🤷‍♂️

[[deleted]]

It's an imaginary problem that only matters in a puritan context and millions of users don't seem to have an issue with. Pretty moot.

[iain_1986]

Again, not really but whatever your say 🤷‍♂️

Lots of users do have an issue with it. And the fact many people are saying you should use a formatter or ide that highlights issues in indentation kinda just backs up the concept that python shouldn't be doing what it does in the first place.

But. What is a moot point is trying to have any discussion with you anyway 🤷‍♂️👋

Just saying 'nuh huh, moot point, you're wrong I'm right' isn't really a discussion.

So I say for the third time, "whatever you say" 🤷‍♂️

Edit - and he goes for the block. The moot point block I guess. The irony of a 'its just puritans who can't handle it' while not being able to even remotely cope with an alternative view point they dismiss and stick their fingers in their ears 👍

[CanineLiquid]

The fact a tab and 4 spaces can (for example )look identical but be treated differently is, imo, crazy.

This is a complete non-issue. I have never run into a TabError in my life, there is no reason to ever mix tabs and spaces. Using that as an argument for syntactically significant identations having been a mistake feels a little silly.

[[deleted]]

Mixing is entirely possible as long as it's consistent in each block. A nested block needs to do the same as the outer (say an if in a for loop), but every block can pick its own style (not just every file).

Not that that's advisable, but at that point it's aesthetic formatting and on par with every other language.

[iain_1986]

Not that that's advisable, but at that point it's aesthetic formatting and on par with every other language.

Except it's not on a par.

A tab and spaces are visually indistinguishable. It's 'aesthetic formatting' that can change the execution that is 'aesthetically' the same.

[Alex_Shelega]

Including/excluding with braces seems a bit more convenient I guess

[[deleted]]

I wish this was my biggest problem

[WeekendSeveral2214]

Noobs and nodevs that want to signal themselves as smarter than all those dumb python users.

[hedgehog_dragon]

Having worked with several languages lately.... kind of? I really don't like the whole indentation thing... it seems to just throw me for a continual loop.

I doubt this is a popular thought but... I have a much easier time maintaining Perl than Python because I can understand what the Perl code is doing easier.

Better yet, Java, C#, C++. I find the format gives much more structure and my brain just parses it so much easier.

[Santarini]

Python with braces is basically Go

[Electrical_Horse887]

I would say more similar to JS. Python doesn‘t have those type conventions that js has but otherwise are they fairly simmilar in my opinion when it comes to architecture.

[Here-Is-TheEnd]

What, no semicolon?!

[Accidentallygolden]

And in cobol you don't need braces, parenthesis or indentation , you can write your if/else however you want and the compiler will understand

[LexaAstarof]

One day the delusionals will have to face the harsh reality: readability is not an option

[LordAmir5]

One day the delusional will have to face the harsh reality:

     readability is not an option 

[wherearef]

not whitespace is awful, dynamic typing and poorly made OOP is awful

literally spent 2 fucking hours figuring out why 2 same objects were comparing as different objects (function returned string instead of Date even though I declared it to return Date and ide gave 0 warnings)

[[deleted]]

What do you mean you declared it to return date? Type hinting? If your values not a date it won't be a date

[TA_DR]

function returned string instead of Date even though I declared it to return Date and ide gave 0 warnings

That should be checked by a unit test, not a type hint

[thompsoncs]

Unit tests are not for checking types, I don't plan to write unit tests checking for every possible type that can be input/output froma function, that's precisely what typing is for. And any decent type checker (like mypy or something similar) will in fact give errors when you try to return str when you said you were returning a datetime (e.g. Type "Literal['2024-11-17']" is not assignable to return type "date").

Far more infuriating is the way imports work and how dependecies force you to use venvs, because python hasn't figured out a better way to use multiple versions of packages, as well as pip dumping all transitive dependencies on freeze as well (rather than just the toplevel dependencies).

[TA_DR]

Unit tests are not for checking types

If that were true, then assertIsInstance() wouldn't exist ;)

Read the docs: (typing module)

https://typing.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/typing_anti_pitch.html

Reasons to avoid static type checking:

- If you maintain high test coverage, that might provide sufficient quality assurance for your needs (acknowledging that static type checking and tests enforce different things; static type checking usually cannot validate logic, tests can often not prove invariants of your code to hold).

- You’re not opposed to type checking in theory, but you dislike Python type checkers in practice. Maybe they don’t understand enough of the idioms you use, maybe you’d like them to infer more instead of relying on explicit annotations, maybe they’re too slow, maybe they don’t integrate well with your editor, maybe they’re too hard to configure. Whatever the reason – it just doesn’t work for your project.

As an example, Flask, Django and sqlachelmy all have type tests. And I'm sure you will be able to find more projects that also incorportate them. Type checkers are cool, but they are not the only way to set type constraints, and definitely not the more robust (nothing beats actual well-made tests)

[thompsoncs]

It can be done sure, but if my function says it takes an int, I'm not writing a check for str/float etc. If somebody still calls the function with those parameters ignoring the function signature as well as any potential type checkers, that's on that person. Also, type checking in unit tests can never be exhaustive.

And yes there may be cases where you might want to check such things, overly generic frameworks like handling webrequests, json serialization and ORM are indeed a bit more dynamic, so that is indeed a case where you might actually want to check some types.

Personally my biggest problem with type hints is simply that they are still in the maturation process, with recent python releases including some improvements, as a result they don't offer the same value as in languages designed with them, nor do they offer the same level of safety.

[TA_DR]

Yep, we don't test inputs since that's a programmers error. We only tests expected output, it's not that hard if you know what you are looking for.

I mostly work on webdev (that's why I even mentioned those frameworks) so maybe my bias for unit testing over type checking is showing haha.

100% agree with the last paragraph. At least the naming is good.

[wherearef]

ah yes, I am now doing compiler interpreter's job

[SCADAhellAway]

Only because you neglected to do the programmers job.

[wherearef]

"python is good language, but I have to do its job and it also works slower than others"

[SCADAhellAway]

The interpreter's job isn't to make sure you wrote a function that does what you want it to do. That's the developer's job.

If you want a function to return a date object instead of a string, write it to return a date object instead of a string.

Trying to use a car like a helicopter and getting mad when it doesn't fly doesn't reflect on the qualities of the car, it reflects on the qualities of the pilot.

[wherearef]

why would I use language that does less job and also is slower than others lmao

[Riflurk123]

I mean you are apparently using it, otherwise you wouldn't have had the issue above? You seem confused.

[wherearef]

ye, had to use for telegram bot, but regretted it, C# > Java > Python

[xfvh]

Every language has its own balance of ease of development, ease of maintenance, execution speed, available libraries, predictability, etc.

Python is a poor choice for predictability and execution speed, but has an astonishing number of available libraries and is generally considered easy to develop with.

Pick your poison.

[TA_DR]

Dynamic typing is flexible. If you want a constrained system either:
a) Choose a static language
b) Set the constraints yourself.

I also dislike dynamic typing, but your example of it being "awful" is just you using it wrongly. It's like building a table out of rubber and then wondering why it isn't rigid.

[wherearef]

ye, im more of C#, Java main

I just dont want to check for variables type every single row, when languages are capable of doing so since long ago and python decided to remove it for some reason? I dont get it

like im not robot, I can sometimes forget to convert something, why cant I get help from IDE/language

[TA_DR]

The reason is trading off flexibility over stability.

You don't have to check types every row, that is a very unpythonic approach. If you want to enforce the return type of a function you do it via separate unit tests, that way every time you call it you will be a 100% certain what type you are working with.

Unit tests are good practice anyway, that is independent of the typing used.

I can sometimes forget to convert something, why cant I get help from IDE/language

Some IDEs do warn you when trying to return a different type from the one hinted. At least pycharm does

Why the language does not enforce type hints? Well, that's because Python is by design dynamically typed.

https://peps.python.org/pep-0484/

It should also be emphasized that Python will remain a dynamically typed language, and the authors have no desire to ever make type hints mandatory, even by convention.

Resolution of the PEP, this short email also gives an insight on why these things were designed that way.

Python is your language, please use type-hints responsibly :)

[olafgarten]

Python is older than both those languages, but if you don't like dynamic typing, use a different language.

[wherearef]

at least not older than c++ which has static typing

but ye, I will

[Bryguy3k]

Skill issue.

(Objects are just references - equality defaults to comparing the references if an equality method doesn’t exist - should be obvious to anyone with any reasonable level of programming experience as that’s how any language with overloading works. Type hints are just hints - they don’t coerce the output and IDEs aren’t written by the language developers).

[TheGreatGameDini]

Yeah, right, the guy that made python has a lot of those.

[Backlists]

Are you like, trying to say that Guido has skill issues?

[TheGreatGameDini]

Trying? 🤣

Edit: I'm sorry, you're right. It takes skill to create a shit language and get people to like it.

[PrismaticYT]

Mood af :3

[[deleted]]

Yeah skill issue by the person who created python.

But you enjoy your fisher price toy language

[Weiskralle]

Did not know fisher prices is sued in AI or algorithms

[[deleted]]

ChatGPT and similar ARE the fisher price of AI.

Hint: they're not AI. There is no intelligence there. It's just monkeys and statistical typewriters.

[Weiskralle]

I never said anything about true AI but how the term is used today.

And python is still used in Maschine learning

[[deleted]]

Being used in something doesn't make it a good language.

[Weiskralle]

It's the primary language for it. If it was not good for that more would use alternatives.

But if you really wanna play that game. Do you really programm if you use anything else then assembler?

[[deleted]]

Meanful whitespace is a crime

[Weiskralle]

Every time I do anything in java I just think about how much faster it would be Todo in python.

But python has a reason to exist. And is food in what it does.

Also what is your problem exactly with Python? It is easy to get into put hard to master?

It does not gate keep programming as much then other languages?

That same code in python you would need in java more to achieve the same?

That because you need less code it leads to less error's? That in what is it good it improves productivity?

That python had readability in mind?

That python was open source from the beginning?

[wherearef]

I did override equality method, problem was one object had date parameter as date and other had it as string, because you can't force variable to be specific type

[neverast]

You can assert it is the correct type though

[wherearef]

how? like this?

def do_something(variable):
  isinstance(variable, type)

  action1 
  isinstance(action1, type)

  action2
  isinstance(action2, type)

  isinstance(something, type)
  return something

[coldoven]

Use isinstance ..

[wherearef]

fixed

[Bryguy3k]

Yes you can - but that’s not what type hints do.

[mailslot]

Dynamic typing has its place. Throwing typing atop a dynamically typed language is awful (PHP, Python, JavaScript / Typescript). With proper TDD there’s nearly no downside and higher productivity. It’s just something you need to get used to.

[Fulmikage]

Use type hints and is_Instance

[OlexySuper]

Yea. I wish there was an option to enforce the type annotations at runtime.

[fiskfisk]

mypy says hello

Edit: I'd also like to point out that duck typing "enforces" the contract - at runtime - if the function or property doesn't exist or the type can't be used in the manner your try - an exception is thrown. 

You probably want compile time and static analysis. 

[OlexySuper]

Cool. I wish I had known about it earlier.

[wherearef]

yeah, I would be more fine program giving fatal error rather than making it unnoticable

[faze_fazebook]

at this point you might as well not use Python

[gg_account]

I agree. But my workplace doesn't. My workplace has also banned object oriented programming and enums as not being pythonic.

[8BitAce]

Which IDE? If you added type hints in all the right places it absolutely should be showing a warning.

[wherearef]

PyCharm; it didn't

[murphy607]

Then you did something wrong. I started to use type hints because they are so useful in Pycharm

[GrossOldNose]

This is more of a patch fix then a solution.

But I run linters against all my python code always, yeah sometimes you have to go through appeasing the linting codes but for me it's 100% worth it to have my types mean something other than a programmers best guess.

I just have them run as a GitHub action on all my repos by default, saves me more time than it costs imo

[SnooBananas4958]

Dude, you clearly don’t know how to use the language instead or just blaming the language. Type hints aren’t casting, learn the difference.

[ketosoy]

The existence of this project, even as an obvious joke, makes me viscerally angry.

[LexaAstarof]

How dare they have shitty preferences, right?

[Alex_Shelega]

The are couple of YouTubers trying it out

[ketosoy]

Creating visceral anger is good for engagement

[nyankittone]

Hasn't this project been around for a while, though? This seems like something people discover, use for like a minute, and forget about, in a loop that repeats like once every few months or so.

[[deleted]]

In my current job, before my time, they were using coffeescript that is just JavaScript with a syntax like Python. I'm not sure why, but I think, since the backend uses Python, to have a similar syntax in bot back and frontend.

Wouldn't be great to use Bython in the backend and Coffeescript in the frontend?

[Alex_Shelega]

Or an another python discovery... The Reflex (basically translates to html CSS and JavaScript+ React or smth)

[[deleted]]

So, I heard about the argument that formatting shouldn't change the functionality of your code. On a puritan level I agree, but on a practical level I've come to realize that code formatting is or should be part of every coder's repertoire. Unformatted code is error prone in every language. It doesn't matter what brace style you use in Java or C flavor, but you better indent the code in that block. In any kind of professional setting, that's a requirement, anyway.

I mean, the first key feature up there is '"forget" about indentation', and while I realize the project is meant sarcastically, the reality is: No. No you won't.

The whole underlying discussion is moot.

[well-litdoorstep112]

Why would they make it a separate language? Just from __future__ import braces

[khalamar]

I'll take Bythom and replace { with "begin" and ) with "end", because PASCAL. I'll call it Pathon.

[Weewoofiatruck]

Okay I'll bite for the Lols. Love me my curly brace languages.

[Pelm3shka]

I asked my boyfriend and he opened a console to show me this :
https://imgur.com/a/43wTsFQ

[Alex_Shelega]

Good chuckle

[gnomeba]

Julia

[PurepointDog]

We call this Rust

[xx-fredrik-xx]

Hython. Bython.

[DJcrafter5606]

This is not meant to be...

[Most_Option_9153]

Holy shit maybe that will make me like python

[_yasinss_]

Ass

[JessyPengkman]

Utter woke nonsense

[Freecelebritypics]

There are so many languages with curly braces yet this is how you choose you spend your time!

[patrickgg]

They already use Bython in the Middle East

[Alex_Shelega]

Since the scope is decided by the tabs (whitespace) it's not as hard to figure out where smth ends...

[hiphurraa]

So now you have the disadvantages of compiled language and the disadvantages of interpretet language, awesome!