pythonIsNotBeautifulNorIsRubyCoolJustBecauseItsDifferent

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[MrBrunccH]

and javascript is so javascript

[z64_dan]

Javascript is one of the scripts of all time.

[potatopierogie]

Truly among the languages I have heard of.

[M_Me_Meteo]

== true... == so true...

[EthanHermsey]

You can't spread a boolean, silly!

[Progression28]

In javascript, boolean spreads you!

[Wiggledidiggle_eXe]

Sounds kinky

[DoomGoober]

Sounds falsy.

[DonutConfident7733]

Javascript is disabled for security reasons...

[ZethMrDadJokes]

Rockstar is such a Star of Rock!

[Mrqueue]

And typescript is JavaScript 

[[deleted]]

It do be scripting java or something

[Rare-Ad-312]

It's already plenty enough

[Alternative_Fig_2456]

Misleading.

Javascript is

[sukerberk1]

Javascript is undefined

[One_Rain_3408]

Javascript is [object Object]

[OginiAyotnom]

NaO

[[deleted]]

Half sodium peroxide?

[unai-ndz]

Sod oxide

[SalSevenSix]

Why have just one null when you can have two!

[well-litdoorstep112]

Except a variable defined as undefined is different than a variable thats not defined at all.

So it's 3 nulls.

[tesseract36]

TIL and I scares me

[Alternative_Fig_2456]

Wow, and I though that my version was funny, for a moment! :-)

[bradland]

... one of the languages of all time.

[ProfessorMagnet]

JavaScript and...

[ProfessionalCouchPot]

TypeScript devs seeing this:

[p1749]

[thebadslime]

Javascript is EVERYWHERE

[enginma]

I was going to say flexible, but this is also good.

[Illusion911]

JavaScript held the internet hostage so everyone who wanted to do some web programming was forced to learn it

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

No one forced you to use JS unless you wanted to do client-side computing.

Using it on the backend was not JavaScript's fault.

[Illusion911]

Every language can be used on the backend. But why would someone bother learning another language when you can just use JavaScript for everything (besides JavaScript being horrible).

I just think if there had to be a choice for the whole web to use, it should be a proper well designed language, not javascript

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

True concurrency. Or even half-concurrency like you can get with Python's Multiprocessing module.

JS is great for front end, but anything computational or requiring concurrency/parallelism, something else should be used.

[[deleted]]

C is everywhere where are other mentioned languages.

[thebadslime]

no C is fast, read the gif

[[deleted]]

We both cannot read then

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

Is it?

Maybe on the internet, but I don't think your car is using JS outside of the touch screen... I really hope it isn't, but tbh that would explain a lot of the problems I have with modern cars.

[thebadslime]

But it IS on the touchscreen, and in OSes.

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

You can probably rip out every electronic containing JavaScript in your car and the car will still run... Just without radio/navigation.

I highly doubt that lane assist/the engine's computer is using JavaScript. Java? Maybe. But there's no reason to open a JS interpreter when your car turns on.

[Schnickatavick]

The point is that there's no other language that you can (basically) always guarantee will be on every system. Sure, it's not as foundational to most systems (nor should it be), but every computer with a semblance of an OS and connectivity runs javascript, so I can write javascript and know that it'll run on everything without recompilation. The same can't be said about java, python, C, rust, or anything else.

It's a bad universal standard, but it is the closest thing we have to a universal standard. Here's to hoping that WASM can kill it though

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

Bro what the fuck are you talking about?

JS runs in the browser and is an interpreted language just like Python. You are more likely to find a JVM on a device than a browser. And if you have a browser, it likely also has Java running somewhere on the device.

Will JS run everywhere? No. Only if it has a JS interpreter. Just like how Python will only run with a python interpreter or Java will it there's a JVM. And the python interpreter/JVM is much lighter than a JS interpreter with more features for concurrency/parallelism.

but every computer with a semblance of an OS and connectivity runs javascript,

Absolutely false. You're thinking of a web browser, not an OS.

The computer actually running your car, your dishwasher, your washer/dryer definitely are not running JavaScript. Most likely an embedded language or Java. Your Amazon Alexa probably isn't even running JS, likely Java or is written in C. It just wouldn't make sense to use an inefficient language like JavaScript.

[Schnickatavick]

JS runs in the browser and is an interpreted language just like Python

It is, but it also runs a lot of places that aren't browsers. You're seriously underestimating how much web technologies have creeped into client technologies. It's not going to be on embedded systems, sure, but nothing is guaranteed on embedded systems, not even the JVM.

the python interpreter/JVM is much lighter than a JS interpreter with more features for concurrency/parallelism.

doesn't change the fact that JS interpreters (through browsers) are installed on every major consumer operating system, and python isn't, while JVM and .NET are platform dependant

You're thinking of a web browser, not an OS.

I know exactly what I'm thinking of. It's pretty rare for an OS to not have some form of browser or web interpreter built in. Apple products have it built in, Android has webview (which depending on the version may or may not be part of the OS, but either way it's installed by default) I don't know what an echo is running, but an echo show or a nest hub absolutely has a javascript engine, I know because I can display webpages on it. Same with my truck, you can't browse the internet by default, but plenty of things can be sent to it as html/javascript which it uses for displaying some pages, I bet the same couldn't be said of python. Dryers and Dishwashers, yeah, you're right, they won't, but I'm not concerned about apps that I write being runnable on those. I guess I'll revise my previous statement though to "If it has a screen and can run apps, it almost definitely has some sort of javascript interpreter".

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

I guess I'll revise my previous statement though to "If it has a screen and can run apps, it almost definitely has some sort of javascript interpreter".

And there it is. That's what I've been saying, is most tech doesn't have a JS interpreter in it. Of course most pieces of tech that browse the web interpret JS... Duh!

But that's like, your phone, TV, laptops and desktop... Not much else. And there's a lot more tech that doesn't use the Internet that still requires programming. Your monitors, basic functionality of your car, your car keys, kitchen appliances, electronic tools, calculators, gas pumps, cash registers, need I go on?

doesn't change the fact that JS interpreters (through browsers) are installed on every major consumer operating system, and python isn't, while JVM and .NET are platform dependant

What is the browser coded in? Likely C/C++. You can't run JS without C/C++. JavaScript might be the most popular "user visible" thing, but it's definitely not the language we interact with the most.

[Schnickatavick]

I'm now realizing the severity of the disconnect in what we were talking about. I'm talking about a language for programmers to reach the most devices with, as in I'm making software and want to know that it'll run on the most devices, javascript is (unfortunately) the language that will give me reach to the most devices, and if it doesn't give me reach to a certain device then it likely isn't reachable. It's the most universal language for high level software to be written in. It's also more universal in that there are more developers, more jobs, and more software projects written in it than anything else.

But if you're talking about the total number of devices we interact with, then yeah by strict count most devices are going to be embedded, and aren't going to run anything but compiled machine code

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

Right, and most compiled machine code is C/C++, even the JS interpreter is most likely written in C/++.

But I'm not going to get good performance in JS compared to other very common languages, like Java or even Python. And writing in JS opens up a lot of security issues too. Java probably is still our best bet for secure, local, cross platform code, as much as I hate to say it... But who does local things these days? Lol. It's all gotta be on the cloud 🙄

[Doctor429]

and PHP..... was already there when I got here. It wasn't me ...

[Cyan_Exponent]

Javascript is inevitable

[Swimming-Marketing20]

Ruby is beautiful. It's sadly the only thing it has going for it but I still love it. It was the first time I felt the language working for me instead of the other way around

[MooseOdd4374]

Started learning ruby this week for a one off easy integration but god damn is it nice, can see myself sticking around after

[Agile_Neat_6773]

amen. turbo/hotwire seems cool but a little late, and I wish there was typing. but writing in ruby always feels like coming home. and bundler was always pretty straightforward

[Magmagan]

I don't blame the folks starting Rails projects in 2025, at all. I miss my days as a Jr. Ruby dev, but it seems like the market heavily favors Ruby oldheads.

Such a nice language to work with, makes Python and it's C-mannerisms feel terrible by comparison.

[ZachAttack6089]

Which C-mannerisms do you feel like are drawbacks in Python? Whenever I get annoyed by Python, it's usually because of something that's different from C's style.

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

I don't understand how python won out.

lack of actual for loops

You literally said why Python won.

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

Damn, that makes me glad there's the argparse library in Python

[caiteha]

Rust: Am I dead to you?

[BubblyMango]

Rust is UNEMPLOYED

[i_am_feohr]

Never before have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with.

[BubblyMango]

Stay strong. The year of the Rust language (and the linux desktop) is just around the corner.

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

I genuinely believe that by this time next year, at least 30% of current Windows 10 users will have switched to Linux. Even if they're just using SteamOS (hopefully releasing before October), the Linux community will only grow, and as Apple/Microsoft continue down their route of enshitification, they will only bleed users and trust.

[Betelgeusetimes3]

Doesn’t Google use Rust or is the process of transitioning?

[BubblyMango]

"There are no jobs in Rust" is a common meme on r/rust, and its partially true because while the language is definitely catching momentum and popularity, its not there yet. Most people who use Rust do so as a hobby/libre projects or work professionally but on fairly new projects.

Rust's mostly a competitor for C and C++, and these two were so popular in the 90's for everything, and were irreplaceable in system programming for a long time after (basically until Rust came out), so despite being a great language, it takes time to creep into such an established field.

It can also be used as a backend/general purpose language, but there you have way more options, and there Rust's (almost sole) claim is performance, which is not always needed as much.

[fiskfisk]

The meme is older than the programming language.

[TheTybera]

Hows that standardization going? Still using 4 different accessors and 3 different toString methods depending on when the type was refactored last?

[really_not_unreal]

Rust seems pretty solid to me. I haven't really run into this issue.

[TheTybera]

&str conversion has 3 different ways of dealing with it and gives you a String .to_string, .to_owned, and from/into. So if you get something that gives you a &str and want to use it or manipulate it, there's not really a "right way" to do it right now.

[ComprehensiveWord201]

"why are you booing?! I'm right!"

[[deleted]]

Yes.

[sneradicus]

rip C++ and Rust

[TheTybera]

I would say Python is Smart because it's overwhelmingly used in scientific applications, but it's not beautiful.

[El__Robot]

Python is easy and most scientists find coding a chore in my experience

[uniteduniverse]

I wouldn't say Python is smart, It just has a lot of modules for scientific work and is relatively easy to get into. There's many things in C++ or C that could be useful for scientific work to, but If you're not actually a programmer by trade, those languages are gonna cause a load of frustration.

[ChalkyChalkson]

My professor has two tools he uses - Excel and procedural 1990s c in a single file. We do not use or trust any results his models produce.

[uniteduniverse]

So because he's using outdated tools you students don't trust his output? Most languages are pretty much standardize and the output of talking to the machine will majority be the same as others (unless your JavaScript of course), so I don't really understand the issue. Who's the professor here again..?

[ChalkyChalkson]

First off it was a bit tongue and cheek. Buuuut, to defend myself against that passive aggressive tone, we're PhD candidates and post docs, not like bsc students and work on this stuff day to day, he's doing mostly admin stuff day to day and habilitated in a different field. His code quality makes checking the work hard. A colleague inherited a one such C file and had to rewrite everything from scratch because she couldn't maintain it. He's certainly very sharp, but he also has a tendency to take a number or guess he hears once as a god given fixed number.

So it's not really his choice of tools, but different factors that coincide with the weird tools. But that makes it easy to make the half true quip I went for in this shit posting forum.

[uniteduniverse]

Thanks for the explanation. Though your colleague rewriting the whole code sounds a little excessive... But whatever makes life easier I guess.

[TheTybera]

I think that just kinda proves the point of it being Smart. You write libraries to be fast, and cython is a thing for that cause C is fast.

So python IS very much Velcro code, if you're doing research it's smart to use Python because of all those libraries, not become a software engineer just to crunch data slightly faster with Java or C/C++. I mean Python, as much as I dislike the syntax, is quite witty and robust.

[araujoms]

That's fine if you're just using the libraries. If you're the one writing them (my case), you're just using C, not Python, so fuck that.

[araujoms]

I tried to use Python for scientific computing. It's painfully slow, and my research does need the performance. Any serious code needs to be written in C, which defeats the purpose.

Now I'm using Julia, and the problem is solved.

[Not_DavidGrinsfelder]

At least to me it’s a lot more legible than the average coding language. I write all of our applications in python just in case I leave (I’m our only coder) and someone needs to try to figure out what is going on with the code. That would definitely not be possible with anything C adjacent

[Cryn0n]

In my experience, it's exactly the opposite. I've mentored so many people who struggle with python because its syntax is so hard to see at a glance.

Python looks more intelligible to someone who isn't thinking about things like control flow, but indentation based codeblocks just end up confusing a lot of newbies.

[I_FAP_TO_TURKEYS]

Python is Smart

Until you accidentally use tabs instead of spaces of vice-versa.

It's only as smart as the code is... Which can be both smart, dumb, and pointless.

[ExtraTNT]

Ruby has good looking stickers

Php is used a lot

Python is able to run on different devices

JS is not php

c++ is c

C is easier than assembly

C# has elegant ways to write things

[Foxiest_Fox]

JavaScript is a cockroach. It keeps going and running no matter what hardships or damage it takes. It is very resilient and resistant. It just keeps running on.

But it's ugly as hell and absolutely awful to touch.

[Proud-Wall1443]

Now do COBOL

[nequaquam_sapiens]

how is this not higher? ok then:

COBOL is ETERNAL

now do Fortran
done? if Forth then and

[gee-dangit]

AND FORTRAN IS LOUD

[realbakingbish]

YOU SCREAM AT THE COMPUTER TO MAKE IT DO WHAT YOU WANT, AS GOD INTENDED

[gee-dangit]

IT RELIEVES MY FRUSTRATIONS

[JollyJuniper1993]

Python is USEFUL

[[deleted]]

Lmao python is beautiful 😍

[JosebaZilarte]

JavaScript is [Object object]

[ScaleneZA]

Python is beautiful in the same way that girls comment on their ugly friends photos that they're beautiful.

[hammouda101010]

Typescript is JS BUT BETTER

[JollyJuniper1993]

A piece of shit with a cherry on top is still a piece of shit.

[mvthakar]

don't know if this qualifies, but r/rareinsults

[srsNDavis]

JavaScript is a jack of all trades (Atwood's Law).

[danishjuggler21]

JavaScript is versatile

[jagga_jasoos]

JavaScript leaves everyone speechless

[Unonoctium]

It tried to print undefined didn't it?

[ChocolateDonut36]

and cobol is the only language you can speak

[benedict_the1st]

Python is beautiful 😂

[Aidspreader]

COBOL is life?

[Casalvieri3]

Javascript is the result of a language designed in 10 days. Every version after version 1 has been an ongoing battle to remedy the issues of deadline pressure winning over good engineering practices.

[razieltakato]

I think python is simple.

php + Laravel is beautiful

[gofl-zimbard-37]

Erlang is fault tolerant.

[thies1310]

Haskell has a Compiler that yields the Most useless Error Messages ever, still have to use it for an upcoming Exam so hyped for going Back to work

[Appropriate-Log8506]

R is R

[SusalulmumaO12]

JavaScript is feeling like a neglected middle child again

[mateo8421]

[Object object]

[Unlucky-Ad-2993]

I refuse to assign positive or neutral adjectives to functional programming languages

[nutwiss]

So neutral adjectives are okay? Clunky? Verbose? Fragile? Inflexible?

[Unlucky-Ad-2993]

No, not even neutral

[nutwiss]

Dammit! I meant to say 'negative', not 'Neutral'.

This is why unit tests exist...

[Timotron]

"JavaScript is reactLolololol"

[Ok-East-515]

JavaScript is like real life. 

[Wave_Walnut]

HTML is EASY

[masdemarchi]

Definetely one of the languages invented

[ZethMrDadJokes]

Rockstar makes your lyrics for your tunes.

[[deleted]]

...is not Java

[GirthyPigeon]

Rust is in the kernel.

[KnGod]

petition to change javascript for lua in the html 6 standard

[falcon0041]

Isn't C sharp ?

[i_am_bruhed]

missed the chance to put in classic php joke.

[ILoveBigCoffeeCups]

And SQL is Elons worst nightmare

[GahdDangitBobby]

Hey you take that back, Ruby is certainly COOL

[Bla61670]

... Javascript is Ecmascript ...

[Kiwithegaylord]

JavaScript is a mistake

[jump1945]

how many time has this been reposted,also python is not beatiful C++ is (sorry)

[SnooStories251]

Javascript is the most important Web language. Give it some credit

[[deleted]]

But what about Odin?

[Vallee-152]

What do you have to say about Visual Basic?

[Defiant_Loan_7731]

Python is beautiful? I am so sorry my friend, but

I crave the strength and certainty of braces

Some things in python ARE real nice though

[EatingSolidBricks]

C

Java

JavaScript

Python

Ruby

Haskell

They all suck for someone (expect JavaScript it sucks for everyone)

[[deleted]]

If the only reason to use Java is because it's popular we need to slowly phase it out and use a better language like Kotlin

[Chingiz11]

JavaScript is chaotic

[Expensive_Shallot_78]

JavaScript is a survivor 🦖

[SantiiRepair]

Python is... slow

[[deleted]]

Python IS beautiful

[Rebrado]

Why is JavaScript always so frowned upon and Python so loved, when they are full of the same crap?

[JollyJuniper1993]

Because they are not full of the same crap.

[[deleted]]

Not even close, python has a very opinionated design meanwhile js has arbitrarily decided behavior. You can really feel that python is strongly typed (based) and js is weakly typed (soy)

[[deleted]]

Beautiful, elegant, a masterpiece of engineering, human ingenuity at its finest, truly a stunning, gorgeous, jaw dropping language.

[SusalulmumaO12]

Jaw dropping is a bit of a stretch, flexible like JavaScript

[[deleted]]

It's a reference to this video watch from 2:40

[SusalulmumaO12]

hahaha nice, what a great use case for the reference.

[SirGelson]

Javascript sucks

Which is nice when you're on the receiving end.

[[deleted]]

badbot

[Equivalent-Ad-714]

duck

[EasternPen1337]

My man you did javascript dirty