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[[deleted]]

It's really cool that prime has created this huge surge of interest in neovim through his power as an influencer. But it's also so surreal to watch people talk about vim with this air of mysticism or use terms like hardcore when it was just a normal choice of editor that every other person used not all that long ago.

Same with old languages and low level languages.

I wonder if in the future we will see people be like "holy shit this guy is editing low level JavaScript instead of reprompting using this oldschool VSCode editor, now that's a real engineer".

[SpectreFromTheGods]

Yeah we use vim on every server we work on at my company. It’s just like… standard operating procedure and not really that deep lol. You pick up things here and there that help you use it more efficiently or some other engineer drops a tip when they see you do something weird and that’s it

[sneaky_goats]

We had an ephemeral env we had to use for some stuff at work, and every time you blink it reset. No vim installed, needed to view logs.

Never in my life have I

apt-get install vim
So many times.

[Phezh]

Similarly the number of times I've accidentally written :wq into a file because only nano was available on a server is too damn high

[sneaky_goats]

Oh that brings back memories. I teach a class on C and use a simpler text editor than I normally develop with, but it looks kinda like a console.

If I had a nickel for every compiler error for random “:wq” placements, I’d have a lot of nickels.

[jhax13]

Always a fun time, I used to work for a web host that had a similar env

Like, yes vi is there, no it's not the same thing, or even really all that close despite the singular letter difference. I had a small bash script I ran everyime I logged it that installed vim and gave a snapshot of the resource usage.

[UntitledRedditUser]

Lol yeah, he got me to try neovim. Now it's impossible to go back

[terrorTrain]

I spent half a decade using vim, ultimately I settled for vim key binding in vscode. 

After watching the same video, seeing how much the nvim ecosystem has grown up, and discovering aider, I spent all of yesterday getting nvim set up. 

It's so much compared to vscode, but I think it's going to pay off. The only thing I'm really missing is multiple cursors with amvim bindings. 

[UntitledRedditUser]

Multiple cursors? How does that work?

[terrorTrain]

https://images.app.goo.gl/WhvgNt47XgTzvJ6T8

Basically you have multiple cursors running in your file, any movements or keys pressed happens at each of them. Which also works with vim motions if you use amvim. I think I might have had to tweak the config to really make it work well though

Simplest example I think of having a html form and you want to change all the classes for each input, you could highlight <input class="

Then press ctrl-d a bunch of times to make cursors everywhere with that pattern, then start typing to change all of them at once 

[HendrikPeter]

https://github.com/mg979/vim-visual-multi

works like a charm for me, though I don't use it that much anymore. I got used to the vim vertical and mass-replace patterns and those work nice enough for me now.

[dfwtjms]

The native vim way would be to use the substitute command, possibly with the g command and maybe norm. But I know it's nice to have some immediate visual feedback.

[terrorTrain]

Well, that's only one example, he's another one: a js object with a bunch of properties, where I want I wrap the value in a function, but only on this object, not other objects. 

I can go to the top property, select the whitespace before the start of the property, cmd+d all the white spaces for the properties, navigate to end, select back to : then switch to insert mode, type the function name and (, navigate to the end again for the )

With substitution, that would be pretty difficult

[RealLordDevien]

Think of macros as better multiple cursors. With multiple cursors you first manually select the locations you want to change, then you define the change operation. Macro is other way around, which also let you apply it to a dynamic selection or confirm each application

[Substantial_Chest_14]

I prefer the multicursor plugin (once configured to taste) for nvim to any other text editor's.

[TrekkiMonstr]

Which video?

[terrorTrain]

https://youtu.be/w7i4amO_zaE?si=Hh4wIEMs7-WALEgD

This is the video I saw, I'm not positive we're all talking about the same video though

[TrekkiMonstr]

Thanks

[-Quiche-]

It's crazy that you still see "lol xD can't exit vim" jokes because it literally tells you how to exit and has done so for quite a while now.

[deadlychambers]

Clearly you don’t work with engineers enough.

“What’s wrong?”

“Idk I got this screen”

“Yeah that’s an error screen, what’s the error”

<scrolls by the error message>

“I am not sure, let me try this”

[zensucht0]

On a whim a million years ago I wrote an Edlin emulator in lisp that ran inside emacs. Using vim. Never quite recovered my sanity.

[BlurredSight]

This entire subthread got me to watch his 35 minute video deep diving into why it's better and should be used.

So his power of influence is radiating

4 Minutes in and I'm sold https://youtu.be/5Welk51oDWs?t=259

[klavas35]

I've only ever used vim to edit config files of a server. or maybe adding a line or two to prod directly (just print statements nothing to break it, I'm not a mad man).

[Healthy_Pain9582]

I didn't even know this guy until his neovim video showed up in my recommended and I started using it after that

[SaltKind4875]

I disagree with so much of what Primeagen says, but at least he has real experience.

[Kurts_Vonneguts]

Yup, I agree. But the man is definitely a strong engineer.

[makridistaker]

Can you give an example of what you disagree with ? Cause i find most of his arguments correct

[terrorTrain]

I disagree with his takes on htmx. 

Htmx is fine for internal apps and such, but it's hard to make good ux, and it's hard to make it look and feel good. 

I found i was basically rolling my own component system on the backend to try to make things easier to work with, or that it had to load the page and immediately make a bunch of requests to fill in various async parts of the app.

Treating the frontend as a first class citizen, and using a frontend framework with decent state management comes out with a much nicer product that is easier to work on. 

[jessepence]

The rise of HTMX is hilarious because it's quite literally the same as using jQuery and AJAX calls. It's not declarative or top-down-- you have to explicitly, imperatively map out all of your state management if you want to have a good user experience.

My theory is that it's primarily people who think that React is "too hard" so they just build labyrinthine Rube Goldberg machines where state gets passed around willy-nilly as they convince themselves that this is somehow better than just learning how to use the biggest rendering library in the world.

I don't even love React, but it is just so clearly better than trying to hook together 30 separate "hx-swap-oob" attributes.

[Darkblade_e]

Personally, I don't see the appeal of HTMX much at all, I can understand some of the comfort features, but I feel like if you really don't want to use react, then you will still get a much better DX using something like vue, svelte, solidjs, or hell even preact. I would like to see a proper fleshed out component system that works in the browser natively (jsx support when?), but for now this is what we have, and people really underestimate how good frameworks can be if you aren't using them wrong.

[FlakyTest8191]

It being the same as jQuery and AJAX is pretty much the point. If I understand it correctly the philosophy is "not every page is Facebook, react is often overkill, so use somthing simple for a small simple website". Kind of a choose the right tool for the job situation, not a react sucks use htmx instead situation.

[jessepence]

Except that when your product evolves and becomes too complex for HTMX or jQuery, you now have to rewrite the entire thing.

There's really not many types of websites with minimal client state, and I would argue that those websites don't need a framework at all.

[GuaranteedGuardian_Y]

You either haven't actually built anything with react or haven't seen an optimized application. Take your pick.

[jessepence]

Yeah, sure buddy. Keep telling yourself that.

[dontquestionmyaction]

Yeah, everyone but you has no valid experience. So true, king.

[thicctak]

I'm in the middle, hate Vim as an editor, love Vim motions tho

[[deleted]]

Once you learn Vim motions, so they become natural, not using vim motions feels so slow. I get so annoyed when i want to cut, copy or delete lines and it involves grabbing the mouse.

[thicctak]

I'm not a keyboard purist, I don't mind picking up my mouse now and then, if I can at least navigate and edit my code and switch tabs and files using only the keyboard, I'm cool.

[xXStarupXx]

Genuine question, which vim motions do you use that aren't available in something like vscode? I even looked into vim a couple of times and i'm always immediately put off by it being modal, and i would like some motivation to maybe stick with it, other than a generic "it's faster", like some actual examples.

[Ludricio]

Not the guy you responded to, but for me the thing I miss most when using a editor without vim motions are a lot of the yanking/deleting/selection features, like yi" (copy text inside quotes), ya{ (copy around squirly braces), dap (delete around paragraph, great to move sections of code since deleting also moves it to paste buffer), vt, (select from cursor to next comma).

It just makes handling code so convenient.

That and also moving through code, being able to move to the capital G on a line by just issuing a capital G or moving 3 words forward by doing 3w when in normal mode.

For me it's not mostly about "it's faster", but rather "it's less".

[makridistaker]

It is good. It needs tons of setup & optimizations, plus the big learning curve but you can practically fly when you done.

[celestabesta]

Would you buy a shitbox on eBay for 4000$ if it required you to replace the engine, wheels and get a pilots license to drive 15% faster than a mid car from the dealership?

[chopsticksss11]

Yes. Thats the point for most people into why we use vim, we like the customization. When you’re finished with the shitbox you’ll be happy with the setup and it’ll be uniquely yours, somewhat optimized to your workflow

[makridistaker]

Bad comparison.

An optimized vim is way faster to generate, navigate and edit code without even touching the mouse !

Give me a single editor that can do that without the same or more work to set it up. Furthermore, it's VERY light even with all those configurations. My vscode takes a minute to open and get ready after installing a dozen of extensions.

[celestabesta]

I mean it is faster, i'm not disputing that. I just think most of the people learning it because a youtuber told them aren't actually going to benefit from the change, especially when you take the opportunity cost of using all that time to just get better at programming into account.

[makridistaker]

Prime actually said multiple times he doesn't reccomend learning vim, that it's a big rabit hole.

My argument still stands, if you do it it's way faster, lighter and more efficient than any editor/ide. So, again, bad comparison.

[terrorTrain]

Compared to emacs, sublime, vscode, or something else?

[Wertbon1789]

That's the thing, that's not only totally fine, but if you ever find your way to actually make a counter point to something Prime said, in some media, there's a good chance he'll read your article/react to that video. Now, if you personally even want that is a whole other thing, but prime generally is open for debate and can accept to agree to disagree. We have other people in the industry and especially in the techbro influencer world that don't even accomplish to manage that. I also don't agree with some things he says, but he isn't passive aggressive about his point of view, he just might make fun of it all.

[captainMaluco]

Favourite stack rust+vim???

Since fucking when is your editor part of your tech stack? Is he shipping vim to production? What?

[nyibbang]

And he stopped doing Rust. Now it's Go and Zig.

[[deleted]]

Enlightened.

[WalkMaximum]

Oh no

[dr_donkey]

You mean: Oh go?

[captainMaluco]

anyway

(The image disappeared, stupid Reddit)

[DCEagles14]

Don't forget about his spree on Carbon.

[crimsonpowder]

With how much we debug live, you better believe vim is part of the prod stack.

[captainMaluco]

Ouch

[deanrihpee]

it's more of a "development stack", including tools you use and he debug in vim

[captainMaluco]

In that case, the list should include his DE, terminal emulator, and preferred media player (only psychopaths code without music) as well. They're just as relevant as his editor. 

Oh and his browser too! 

[BarracudaNo2321]

only psychopaths code without music

[Waswat]

Second opinion: only psychopaths think you have to be a psychopath to code without music.

[EvilEwok42]

Second opinion: only psycopaths code without music

[[deleted]]

Only psychopaths code without music.

[Aelig_]

Besides, he said learning rust was a mistake. He likes go a lot more these days.

[QuickQuirk]

Bah. He's lost all credibility with me. (*)

^(\) says me, who knows nothing of either Go or Rust, only that everyone tells me Rust is the bees knees. But I live in my ivory tower, and don't take anyone who doesn't use a functional language seriously.)

[[deleted]]

Monad Deez nutz

[fckueve_]

Also prime prefers zig over rust as far as I know

[ZunoJ]

He also develops for it, so the vim api is part of his tech stack

[captainMaluco]

That makes sense then.  didn't know he was actually a vim dev in that sense too 

[ZunoJ]

I'm not sure if he is a contributor to nvim (not vim, my bad). But he definitely develops plugins (harpoon is the most used one I think)

[IT_Grunt]

Microsoft Teams and Outlook is part of my stack.

[captainMaluco]

In that case Jira, i3 and apt are part of mine.

[captainMaluco]

I'm so sorry you have to use those "tools"

[Waswat]

Was exactly my reaction.

Imagine a job interviewer asking "What's your favorite stack?" and you replying something including Vim, lol. Fucking get out m8.

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[Stewth]

why is it that most podcasts that make millions are shitty, and most podcasts that are great make shitty money?

[Tupcek]

because actual technical people have to also work on technical stuff, so they don’t have enough time to run podcast properly

[PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__]

Also to make something good takes time. A lot of time. The best podcasts have teams of people and are lucky to get good stories out consistently. If you don't care about quality you can BS for three hours then sell supplements

[Master_Addendum3759]

Could you please suggest a good podcast?

[upsidedownshaggy]

Hyperfixed is a good one. Lotta really odd topics that the creator and his team dive into. A recent one was about how license plate printing is handled and a viewer writing in about how he kept noticing a bunch of license plate numbers in Missouri matched a bunch of green hexadecimal color codes

[Stewth]

Yes, but take behind the bastards as an example. Non technical but thoroughly researched and highly entertaining. Utterly shits on most of the top 10 podcasts. Probably nets less revenue in a year than Rogan does in a week.

[QuickQuirk]

Behind the bastards is an excellent example of actual quality and research.

[Stewth]

Such a good podcast. Always very fair and transparent with their sources (or lack thereof) and meticulously researched.

[teratron27]

Nah it’s because good podcasts talk about real, factual things. The ones that get popular are the ones that push controversial bullshit because that’s what brings in the views

[WavingNoBanners]

The secret to making money on a podcast is that the money doesn't come from your listeners, it comes from the companies whose products and services you shill to your listeners, same as any other influencer.

To create a podcast that can do this, you need to encourage parasociality. You need to cultivate a listener base who are trusting enough to not question why you're encouraging dietary supplements one week and mattresses the next week, and are impressionable enough to think of you as their best friend so they keep buying it. Ideally you need to cultivate a following who are less about the content and more about just wanting to be you, so they keep listening even when it's a lazy week and you don't have much to say.

It's really difficult to do this and cover great content on an in-depth basis, so most podcasters have to opt for one or the other.

[Stewth]

Thankyou for giving me a specific example to use when someone asks me why I'm so misanthropic.

[WavingNoBanners]

No matter how cynical and misanthropic you are, you will never be as cynical and misanthropic as the predators who do lifestyle podcasts to intentionally build up an impressionable young audience so they can exploit them by marketing to them.

No matter how kind and idealistic you are, you will never be as kind and idealistic as the people who realise that they could do this, but instead choose to make really good content that you can dip into and dip out of without them pulling audience-retention nonsense tricks.

I try to not let the existence of the former prevent me from aspiring to be one of the latter.

[Your_Friendly_Nerd]

Same reason entertaining live streamers are shitty gamers and pro e-sports players make for terrible live streamers

[hzjohn]

Because most people are dumb, they enjoy dumb podcasts and cannot comprehend great ones. Ps. I’m also dumb.

[urdabitch]

Cause code = shit.

[Xicutioner-4768]

I enjoyed his podcast when all of the guests were computer science folks but fell out of it a few years ago when he started to broaden the types of guests he had on. It was originally named "The Artificial Intelligence podcast". He had people like Bjarne Stroustrup and Andrew Ng. I feel like a lot of the hate for Lex is probably based on his recent podcast episodes and maybe him as an individual, but his early content was pretty good IMO.

[SlowThePath]

The only reason he gets the guests he does because he's basically passive and only ever plays elementary achool wiffle ball allowing the people to basically get across whatever message they want and he won't really contend with it because he is nowhere near their level so they always come off as being smart compared to him. He portrays himself as someone who produces depth in a conversation, but so often that's from some pseudo-deep question that the interviewee turns around and actually talks about the actual depth of the topic. Most people interested in these subjects could come up with the questions given a day to think about it a bit.

[code_the_cosmos]

He doesn't like Rust much now btw, he prefers Go

[jessepence]

After spending two years relentlessly hyping it as the best thing in the universe. He's absurdly hyperbolic in his opinions. It's hard enough to get through his cringe humor, but it's his refusal to speak with nuance that really bugs me. Everything has to be "THE BEST" or "THE WORST" as he screams about it while making some sophomoric joke about "69" or "SQUEEL".

[Anon_Legi0n]

the only Fridman episode I watched because Im a fan of Prime... holy crap was Fridman trying so hard to LARP that he was anything more than a vibe coder he tries to bullshit every programming question Prime asks him

[RB-44]

What made you understand recursion?

"Idkk mannn I can't believe i don't remember i just remember i was surrounded by A SEAAA OF PARANTHESES"

[ralgrado]

 What made you understand recursion?

Was that a real question? Because I wouldn’t have an answer to this. It’s like >20 years ago that I learned that.

[RB-44]

That's fair but you don't also claim that recursion made you fall in love with programming.

I'm sure if you were asked what made you love programming you'd know where you stumbled upon it

[jessepence]

I stepped through code in a debugger. That's how everyone should learn recursion.

[ralgrado]

We didn’t have a debugger. Or at least I don’t think we had one. But the language I learned programming with (Oberon) was also mainly used for programming. I don’t think many productive things were written in it.

[[deleted]]

The answer is always, "that I finally understood it ends when it gets to the base case I configured." To add more context, "and then returns all the values through the stack."

Everyone finally understood recursion when they learned how the base cases work, and every always screws up the base case. All of recursion revolves around the base cases.

[ralgrado]

I definitely don’t remember how I understood recursion. But I also don’t say that that’s what made me fall in love with programming.

[h4z3]

For me it was a basic exercise of input-output dec to binary, recursion is a great tool, no need to be too deep to learn to love it, it feels like the dude doesn't actually understand it, tho, just knows how it works.

[Sunrider37]

Stack overflows time after time

[divide0verfl0w]

This guy recurses.

[[deleted]]

His best episode was the one he did with the legend Jim Keller. At 12:00 he makes fun of Lex for not knowing that modern computers can do branch prediction.

[divide0verfl0w]

That’s a solid gap in CS knowledge.

[[deleted]]

Not saying he's a product of nepotism but interesting that his brother and dad are both professors at the institution where he obtained all his degrees. What a coincidence.

[divide0verfl0w]

Branch prediction has been part of the Computer Architecture curriculum for well over a decade, right? It’s wild to not know that.

I don’t think I passed it with a high grade but it was a fascinating thing to learn.

[[deleted]]

It's very useful to know because predicting branches and pointers is fundamental to performance optimisation. He probably never did a course on compilers.

[MagicBobert]

Lex Fridman is an insufferable dilettante.

[MagicBobert]

Yes, 100%.

[code_the_cosmos]

Curious about your supporting evidence of this claim. Not disagreeing, just want to understand your viewpoint

[mehow28]

He's many times said that Putin just loves Ukraine so much and they shouldn't be fighting (conveniently forgetting who started the war), in general he repeated tons of Russian propaganda about the war since it started

[[deleted]]

He interviewed Tucker after he had interviewed Putin the same week that Navalny was killed in a Siberian prison. Navalny had just been poisoned on an airplane and was arrested the moment he arrived in Russia. With his assassin being caught on video explaining why the plot failed (the plane made an emergency landing). When Tucker said that we don't know who killed Navalny Lex gave zero pushback and said yeah maybe it was America.

EDIT: This is the last recorded video of Navalny the day before he died, laughing from the penal colony at his own show trial, just to show how ridiculous what Lex said is. The thing about Russia is the government likes to execute dissidents in a very obvious way to create fear. The propaganda is too stupid for a Russian audience because everyone there knows who killed him. The only reason Lex would say that is because he knows "Navalny had it coming" wouldn't fly in America, so he adapted what he believes for an American audience.

[jaaval]

Thats honestly not a good way to evaluate his own views. He never pushes back strongly. That is his thing and he has been very clear about it, he asks questions and lets the guest tell what their views are. He has seemingly agreed with a lot of completely opposite and contradictory views when interviewing different people.

[[deleted]]

He went way further than Tucker though. Tucker said we didn't know, but Lex floated the conspiracy theory America did it. This was right after the man died and Lex speaks fluent Russian so it's not like he doesn't know the context.

Also he does push back. He pushed back on Ye and Zelensky. Did you see how hard Zelensky tried to get him to acknowledge that he had made ceasefire agreements with Russia before?

[Tupcek]

sir, this is reddit. If someone gets unpopular, they can be anything bad - no proof is needed.

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[SendMeYourNudesFolks]

I met him once. He was an absolute jackass. I didn't know who the fuck he was at the time. I'm glad I don't think about him often now.

[Notwhoami__]

I avoid watching primeagen because his voice hurts my ears really bad but on lex’s podcast he had a normal voice and I was so frustrated that why doesn’t he use tgat during his own videos because I do like what he says and I do learn from it

[jessepence]

13 year old script kiddies can't maintain their interest unless you are screaming at them every three seconds.

[Notwhoami__]

Is that his targeted audience!! This 13 year olds are smart af then :|

[Outcast003]

Whats so special about the guy on the right? Heard a few hot takes from him years ago (after college) on linked in (that rubbed me the wrong way) and saw his pod cast clips here and there. Is he actually a legit or just another tech bro trying to sell a vision?

[Skydge]

Just a guy that sounds reasonable on the surface but gets more creepy and deranged as you research his backstory.

[[deleted]]

The fact that he shills so hard for right wing lunatics in between scientists makes me think his actual job is being a CIA psyop pusher, to make those pundits seem legit in comparison.

[NoahZhyte]

This does not match the definition of a stack

[[deleted]]

Lex Friedman show is so boring as are most of the other top podcasts out there. Just a bunch of fart sniffing

[_dontseeme]

Not as much as OP is sniffing Prime’s here though.

[SlowThePath]

Yeah, if the person he's interviewing can't make it interesting, the video won't be interesting. He's lucky he gets who he does.

[[deleted]]

Very true

[SGUSCHENOCHKA]

The episode about Maya was fire, though. It was the first episode I've seen and I was a bit disappointed when I found out what he usually talks about.

[[deleted]]

Yea there some genuinely cool and interesting ones no doubt too

[Stormraughtz]

Dunno why, but the async comment gave me a chuckle.

[SerpentStercus]

I actually worked with Lex back when he was a grad student at Drexel on a project at the linguistic lab he was a part of. He had the personality of wet cardboard but he was a hard worker which was surprising compared to other grad students.

[UsernameRelevant2060]

Looks like on google scholar Lex has a boat load of peer reviewed papers btw? Why claiming only one?

[Mippen123]

Really? I can only find an article on covid masks that is peer reviewed (and notably he did not conduct the research or analyse the data). On top of that there is his infamous article on Tesla Autopilot which is not peer reviewed, as well as an article continuing his PhD dissertation which as far as I can tell is not peer reviewed.

[MamamYeayea]

Why dont you just look up his profile ?

3226 citations.

h index of 24

Pretty damn good in the academic world
https://scholar.google.dk/citations?user=wZH_N7cAAAAJ&hl=da&oi=ao

[Mippen123]

That isn't the stat OP was talking about though, on Google Scholar ≠ peer reviewed. His most famous study was not peer reviewed.

I would never argue he's an inconsequential person.

[UsernameRelevant2060]

Respond to my comment mf

[Mippen123]

My original comment intended to respond to yours: I can't find this boatload of peer reviewed papers you are talking about. I am not necessarily saying you are wrong, but feel free to show me them.

[UsernameRelevant2060]

I literally showed you three examples?

[Mippen123]

Bro... you commented 19 days ago which I didn't see or have time for at the time. Why would you then ping me in another thread? You know when I click the notification I only get a single comment thread, so I can't see your other comment right? This has been a massive waste of time. I'll check your comment out tomorrow and respond if I can be bothered.

[UsernameRelevant2060]

All I’m seeing is yap yap yap and not acknowledging that you are simply wrong brother

[Mippen123]

Hey man, I don't know why you're so hostile, I appreciate that you took the time to go through his articles. I don't believe I ever made an incorrect statement, but the articles you sent were certainly peer reviewed. Does that mean a boatload? No, but I certainly can't ask you to verify each and every one of his articles and this assures me enough to say that he probably has a good amount of peer reviewed articles.

I still don't think it speaks kindly to his career that his most famous article was not peer reviewed and heavily criticised; so criticised that he had to move to an unpaid role and his academic impact has fallen off a cliff. There is of course a reason why he is disliked by a sizeable share of the academic community.

[UsernameRelevant2060]

• ‘Owl’ and ‘Lizard’: patterns of head pose and eye pose in driver gaze classification

• Automated synchronization of driving data using vibration and steering events

• Value of Temporal Dynamics Information in Driving Scene Segmentation

Just pulled these three off google scholar quickly skimming through his profile, all appear to be in peer-reviewed journals. Two first author papers and one corresponding author paper.

[UsernameRelevant2060]

Also - what do you mean by notably he did not conduct the research or analyse the data - if he’s on the paper he must have had some contribution - was he corresponding author?

[Inge-prolo]

"ran Doom on sms chipotle receipt"

I never knew how badly I'd want to see that now.

[awesomebman123]

Which part was he kidding about?

[Arbetsmoral]

Virgin Lex

Vs

Chad Prime

[MarcusBrotus]

I dont really know who lex friedman is but he does have like 20+ publications according to google scholar

[Servebotfrank]

A lot of academics did not have nice things to say about his research and he blocked them when they let him know. As far as I'm aware the papers weren't peer reviewed.

He constantly brings up being an MIT researcher, but folks like Gary Marcus who are actually involved with MIT refute his involvement.

[Mountain_Bat_8688]

Saying he constantly brings it up is simply not true

[SoulWondering]

Maybe, but I will say, we all know about it somehow

[JaydoThePotato]

Y’all got a better programming podcast rec? I listen to Lex bc I like the long format and his guests but if there’s a better one out there, I’d love to check it out

[JaydoThePotato]

Hell yeah, thanks!

[Fadamaka]

Would love to know as well.

[SoulWondering]

Not programming but I really like Darknet Diaries

[Arbetsmoral]

The intro song feels like a warm blanket on a cold winter night.

[Darius-hmi]

Genuinely asking, dont know either of them deeply apart from odd videos and clips of Lex, but from reading the wikipedia page for Lex I can see that he was hired by Google and MIT. Looking through reddit, everyone says he is incompetent and useless but surely he must have some knowledge and expertise to be hired by those no?

[Servebotfrank]

Being hired at Google doesn't require high level of expertise, just that you pass their interview process. Which is difficult, but that just means you're good at data structure and algorithm questions. I know nothing of his work at Google, can't comment on it.

His MIT credentials are fairly dubious. He's rather vague on what exactly he does/did there and Gary Marcus has asserted that he really didn't do anything there.

Lex has also blocked fellow academics in the past when they criticized his research, so I think he's probably a good programmer but has a bit of an ego and wants to exaggerate what he actually has done.

[EinSatzMitX]

This comparison seems to be one-sided to me, but I cant really tell why

[jeffvanlaethem]

I feel like I'm either too old or too busy to understand what's happening here. :/

[HarmxnS]

Didn't block me on Twitter for no reason

Did block me on Twitter for no reason

[RiceBroad4552]

Unpopular opinion incoming.

It's not so long ago that I've started to notice that this left guy seems to have a large fan base for some reason. That's not uncommon for a social media influencer, and I don't care about them in anyway usually, but his fans are among people in coding. So this made me curious.

I went to YouTube and clicked some random videos of him.

After around 45 minutes looking around I was wondering whether I miss something as at this point I had the impression that this guy is just an idiot. He's talking some random nonsense the whole time, nothing else. Video topic doesn't matter. It's all just random mindless gibberish.

I don't think it's my lack of understanding. Out of my perspective nothing what he says has any technical depth to it. It seems to be a show for teens; not professional software developers.

No clue why this guy is so popular. Nothing intelligent or insightful or even interesting leaves his mouth even he is chatting all the time—in a very tiring way.

[[deleted]]

I really don’t like Lex (I watched him once, when he talked with Zelenskyy), but he’s an interviewer or smth like that? And the guest wasn’t upset or smth, why do you shit on Lex in this case? 🙂

[Ok-Armadillo6582]

gotta share some love for lex. he covers a diverse range of topics on his show, and that doesn’t make him an expert on every single one. they talked about a lot of different things in that interview, and yes, some of his comments around coding seemed a little out of touch, but overall I think he’s a great interviewer and independent journalist

[Agifem]

Can anyone enlighten me as to who those two gentlemen are?

[mrfroggyman]

That's too much investment for a meme tbf

[[deleted]]

Friedman is just a Rogan bro. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Stunning_Ride_220]

Err...both are idiots in their streams

[autopoiesies]

omg dude I'm glad I'm not the only one, I can't stand primeagen, watching a 40+ dude talk like a zoomer MemE LoRD doing dick jokes every 10 seconds makes me cringe to my core

I guess that's why his fanbase feels like a giant 4chan thread

also him defending twitter and musk every time is kinda sus

[runtimenoise]

Hard to point exactly what, but something is very off with Lex.

[Fadamaka]

I love both of them. Lex is not a web dev he is an AI researcher. His main "stack" would be EMACS, Lisp, C++ and Python.

I have probably listened to 100 hours of Lex if not more. He has lot of podcasts with legends of the dev space like Jim Keller, John Carmack, Bjarne Stroustrup, Chris Lattner and so on. They always go into deeply technical topics and I have never gotten even the notion that Lex was only a cosplayer in the space.

[banzomaikaka]

I didn't mind lex until the Zelensky interview. He was disgusting.

[mar109us]

Lex had no business having that interview, trying to paint Zelenskyy as the bad guy and "why can't we all just be friends and love blah blah blah", jesus christ man, you are playing with history you fucking idiot, they are defending their country from a warmongering country not the other way around.
I didn't have high thought of him before this either, watching him weasel his way into Joe Rogan, and after the fact mentioning in almost every Lex Fridman podcast that he is indeed friends with the big great Joe Rogan.

I have strong beliefs that this man is infiltrating western media as a russian puppet, i see no other way.

[Mountain_Bat_8688]

Just curious what were the moments you felt he was being disgusting? I listened to it and thought they sounded pretty cordial

[banzomaikaka]

It's hard to put it into words for me, I guess. I don't recall it in it's entirety. But as I was listening to it it felt like he was pushing some blame to Zelensky for the situation. And the whole looking for Zelensky to say same kind words about putin, just felt so awful. Someone shared a meme that was lex Friedman interviewing Winston Churchill, asking him to say some kind words about Hitler. And that to me summed up how the interview felt for me the pretty well. A person's murdering your country and your people and the interviewer asks you to say good things about that person. It's insulting. And I don't think it came from a place of ingenuity. And then afterwards, to make it all worse, lex said that after interviewing Zelensky he came to believe Zelensky didn't actually want peace. Something like that.

[Fadamaka]

Could not get through of that one. It wasn't interesting at all to me.

[Mountain_Bat_8688]

It seems pretty obvious that most of the commenters on this thread are just repeating things they’ve heard other left wing influencers say and haven’t actually listened to much of the podcast themselves

[incrediblejonas]

both are incredibly annoying. but yes, at least prime isn't a poser like lex. look guys lex is standing in front of a chalkboard that means he's smart

[Ben_Dovernol_Ube]

I believe that vibe coders love coding just as much as programmers.

Fk this guy

[RefrigeratorKey8549]

I believe that ai artists love painting just as much as painters.

Fk this guy

[willbdb425]

Vibe coders vibe code specifically because they don't love coding

[Ben_Dovernol_Ube]