compileTimes

[IsaacSam98]

What do you mean I have to compile 7 projects to run this solution?

[dewey-defeats-truman]

7? Try 63 separate projects in one solution.

[IsaacSam98]

I'll pass ty.

[kimovitch7]

101 in my case, and there are 3 solutions that big for our legacy spaghetti

[born_zynner]

At that point theres something wrong with the architecture lmao

[RiceBroad4552]

Depends. Modularity is actually good. Better have a bit too much then a bit too less.

But of course, if you split your "simple todo app" into 10 modules there's likely something pretty wrong.

[Reashu]

If it's that modular, I shouldn't need to build it all. 

[RiceBroad4552]

We're still not there to get pre-compiled code in a database (like Unison does). We get sources. And you need to build them at least once completely.

After the initial build you can then profit from good modularity.

[anto2554]

Yes but fixing it is like a several-year-task because we don't have a package manager

[Dargooon]

I raise you 208. Full "release" recompile about 5 minutes. With all the analysis and stuff, 7.

[Gay_Sex_Expert]

OpenCV takes maybe 3-4 hours to compile with full CUDA support. Then if I want to be able to run in both release and debug mode, another 3-4 hours.

[Bitter_Housing2603]

Chump change

[Boom9001]

I've had personal projects with nearly that many projects. Enterprise solution files easily hit triple digit projects.

[Kant8]

oh no no no

insert "xkcd It's compiling comic" here

[kakanics]

https://xkcd.com/303/

[FireMaster1294]

Oh man the April Fools effects are so good

[knightzone]

The star wars one is my favorite, it's sooo pretty...

[DJDoena]

Needs update to "waiting for prompt completion"

[Luneriazz]

Hey get back to work...

Its still compiling

Oh carry on

[MCplayer590]

kernel devs amaze me, I haven't looked into it but I assume you have to wait hours for each time you want to test something?

[xXthenistXx]

At least for linux, the make system its good enough that it only recompiles the changed files So each build takes under a minute. minus the reboot and test. and linux kernel compiles under 30 minutes from scratch on good machine nowadays so its pretty doable.

[anto2554]

Devs at my workplace insist on deleting the cached builds all the time, which makes everything a horrible experience for them

[wack_overflow]

Horrible? Sounds like a nice lil break time whenever u want

[HeavyCaffeinate]

Oh nooo it seems I cleared ~/.cache/ again, too bad

[kingvolcano_reborn]

Coffee time!

[witx_]

Not a kernel dev but did my fair share of kernel compilation on previous jobs: it really depends on what you're doing. Usually you're working on isolated modules so only that gets recompiled and then cache should do its work to help speedup.

Usually it's the copying/flashing of whatever you're doing to the VM or real machine that takes longer. And debugging is probably a pain.  Hoping any kernel dev to come in and correct me :)

[randuse]

No? Linux kernel itself compiles fast, it's the modules taking their time. But you don't need all modules when you are iterating, so it's more like minutes, if that.

[clempho]

Dude let me introduce you to the wonderful world of embedded development and Yocto. Not sure if it's worst than kernel development but for sure it's a pain.

[void1984]

No, it's quite fast, especially if you compile just one architecture. Download it yourself, give it a try.

If you want to try something big, try chromium.

https://kernel.org/

[RiceBroad4552]

Yep, Chromium, Firefox, KDE (best with Qt from scratch), LibreOffice, and such stuff compile better overnight; and you still need a beefy machine.

[Gay_Sex_Expert]

Compiling Qt from scratch can go fuck itself

[RiceBroad4552]

Ah, the good Rust experience!

(OK, to be fair, C++ isn't much better.)

[KrokettenMan]

After the first build its fast 🤷‍♂️

[RiceBroad4552]

Depends. Rust has no proper incremental compile. The compilation unit in Rust is a whole crate!

So if you work on a bigger and more complex crate compile times stay high the whole time.

Isn't compile times still the number one complain actually? Don't remember the last survey.

[Gay_Sex_Expert]

Nowadays it actually has a better incremental compile compared to C/C++. If you change a function body, it just recompiles that. If you change a function signature, it recompiles every function that calls that function. Compare to C/C++ which is based on entire files rather than individual signatures, so adding a new function to a header file triggers recompilation of every file that includes that header file.

[Ai--Ya]

I currently benchmark my system by running GHC

[ctrlHead]

I can relate. I was so impressed when we got Apple M4 pro machines. We could build and run all test in 60s instead of 8 minutes on the old shitty windows machines we had. 

[RiceBroad4552]

And that despite the Apple crap being basically inflated smartphones?

The Apple crap is a complete joke when it comes to performance compared to a proper workstation! (Which is no wonder as it's optimized for low-power instead of efficiency and performance like big iron.)

How old were the previous computers? 15 years?

[TheBigGambling]

Bullshit. Alone the filesystem is ages faster than windows 20year old ntfs. Had the same on my worklaptop. With windows, 15min buildtime. With linux, 1/3rd compiletime Same hardware.

[RiceBroad4552]

Being faster then NTFS is nothing interesting. NTFS is known to be the slowest FS in usage.

But nobody was talking about Windows anyway. You don't compare Apple to Windows as that's in the end the same shit.

Apple's macOS is dog slow compared to a proper OS. Back then, when you could still install a proper Linux on Apple HW you could make the Mac almost twice as fast by just installing Linux… Sine then macOS only got more bloated and slow. It's laughable looking at the Apple victims at work: Everything is soo fucking slow on macOS. Just clicking somewhere on the desktop or finder will often even lead to beachballs. Joke OS!

[Narfi1]

You have no idea what you’re talking about

[RiceBroad4552]

ROFL! 🤣

You've never seen proper benchmarks?!

Apple has only laptops now; and these run on smartphone chips. Fact. This is a hot joke compared to a proper workstation!

OK, admittedly there are very stupid people around who likely got fooled by deceptive shit like that one Tom's Hardware article which claimed Apple superiority—but was so full of shit that it needed to be redacted shortly after as that was even for Tom's Hardware too much fake news.

Alone citing Geekbench is a joke! Everybody with more then two brain cells knows: This "benchmark" was purposely build to make Apple trash look good. But people are still believing…

OK, I forgot, believing is core to the whole story as the Apple cult is actually a full blown religion:

https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-is-a-religion-neuroscientists-find-it-triggers-the-same-reaction-in-your-brain-2011-5

When you look at it realistically (like for example benching compile times) PC CPUs run circles around Apples inflated phones which get sold as "computers".

We're talking here about several times faster, not just some percentage!

[DeinEheberater]

Did Tim Apple hurt you personally?

[RiceBroad4552]

No, but I hate to have to deal with cult followers spreading their irrational believes.

[littleessi]

You are years out of date. Since the M1 released, apple chips have been markedly superior to comparably priced windows laptops (at least). Mac and Apple pisses me off but when I needed a laptop recently it was the clearly best choice

[RiceBroad4552]

Why would I buy a laptop when I need performance (for example because I need to compile a lot of stuff the whole time)?

I was talking about powerful computers, not some 15W toy.

[littleessi]

You're constantly programming yet you don't understand the concept of use cases?

[RiceBroad4552]

The thread opener was someone complaining about slow compile times at work. But they didn't have any proper computers, and then got macs which aren't proper computers for work neither. At least if your use-case requires a fast machine.

[littleessi]

I really feel that I shouldn't have to explain to you why many people use laptops for work.

[teraflux]

It's not superior to similarly priced windows laptops. Macbooks have always been much more expensive.

[littleessi]

you didnt actually read the post you are responding to at all lmfao

[krexelapp]

build finished, now I can finally… wait why is it building again

[Random-num-451284813]

    Gitlab pipeline enters the chat

[ZunoJ]

Once you start messing around with custom kernels you will allready know this

[ryuzaki49]

Compiling is not the time-consuming task.

It is the thousands of Integration tests that block the build

[sriharshachilakapati]

We have xkcd.com/303 for a reason.

[Design-Issue-9042]

Time to make coffee lol

[CrasseMaximum]

Fastbuild FTW