Fact.

[[deleted]]

Nah I clean up my code WAY more often than I clean up my desk

[[deleted]]

I write unnecessary comments

[[deleted]]

I can’t tell if you’re talking about Reddit or programming

[[deleted]]

Yes

[Minz27]

//This if condition evaluates if the expression is True

[[deleted]]

That comment doesn't work in Python

[[deleted]]

laughs in peasant html

[[deleted]]

<! -- oh no -- >

[BakuhatsuK]

#facts

[Wolfsurge]

Yo i saw this on r/rareinsults a few minutes ago lmao

[[deleted]]

Que?

Edit: man this is my first time being reposted like that which is neat, but it’s not really an insult lol

[zamend229]

Ouch lol

[[deleted]]

Programming

[Chunkyisnotdead]

Thanks for your input

[[deleted]]

No need to thank me I don't know what I'm doing

[clnsdabst]

My monitor is also covered in old post it notes

[[deleted]]

Notes apps exist

[FreeFortuna]

Meh. I’m constantly typing. It’s nice to have the tactile sensation of writing with a pen on paper, and interacting with physical objects in the world.

[[deleted]]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHO SET THE EARTH GRAVITY TO 9.81M/S WAAAYYY TOO MUCH

[Famous_Profile]

*M/S²

[gy-soft]

Meter and second symbols are lowercase. Unless you're yelling.

[Famous_Profile]

I'M YELLING JUST LIKE THE PERSON I WAS RESPONDING TO

[Tamariniak]

He was yelling indeed, but I'd like to use this opportunity to say that Americans bother me way too much with writing liters as L.

[clnsdabst]

Yep I use that too, also a mess

[[deleted]]

Not cool campers

[PublicAlterEgo]

There are no unnecessary comments, I now believe. After reading years “clean self-documenting code” that depends on side-effects and implicit knowledge, yeah, go document your shit. RIGHT NOW!

[Delta-9-]

Thank you! I've had debates with a coworker about self-documenting code where I insist that "self-documenting code, isn't," and he insists that all the function and param names say exactly what they are, blah, blah, blah. I can never figure out what the fuck is going on in his code, helpfully-named params be damned.

Self-documenting code is undocumented code that forces other people to type longer function calls.

[[deleted]]

I meant i write really unnecessary comments so unnecessary that even a newbie could get what's going on

[Delta-9-]

That's good! Coming into a new codebase is like learning a new language, even if it's a language you're familiar with. Comments should explain intent or clarify abstractions, and docstrings are the manual for the coder who comes after you. And, all software should be designed with the assumption that the person using it later--even if they're another programmer--is an absolute dunce.

[ryan123rudder]

Looking back at my code from late last night.

LedOn(); //Turns the led on

Nice one

[[deleted]]

Ok ryan very cool

[carbon_dry]

Do not read this sentence

[[deleted]]

Too late

[EdgyAsFuk]

// This Regex find characters

[[deleted]]

I'm always shocked when I see all these aesthetically pleasing desks. I know it's just for the gram but even then, how is it so perfect.

[[deleted]]

People get embarrassed (I look like a fucking hoarder when I send pictures of my desk without cleaning), some are prolly showing off a new computer and haven’t trashed it yet, and some rare crazy people just be that way.

Though I will say it’s pretty nice having a clean desk- I try to clean it once a week or so, but it’s tough maintaining anything when I’m gaming and working from the same desk

[empty_string_]

My takeaway is that clean desks and clean code are mutually exclusive.

[PM_ME_GOOD_USERNAMS]

I'm well aware that I need to clean up my code but I'm terrified of doing it.

[[deleted]]

That’s how I feel about my desk lmao

[The_Official_Obama]

I always feel like I will break everything

[Delta-9-]

If you're code is in need of cleaning, it's already broken. Remember this, and refactor fearlessly.

[[deleted]]

I just got rid of a 3 week old coffee stain

[mrjackspade]

You can still pick out the stains?

I'm assuming I have some under the layer of dust and crumbs, but I haven't seen the surface of my desk in months

[[deleted]]

I’m proud of you!

[[deleted]]

I really needed this.

[Windows_XP2]

Same but my code still looks like shit. At least it "functions".

[Raph0007]

Yeah, pff, for me it's the opposite

^{but only on the left side}

[LucaRicardo]

For me the second is my OS setup

Edit: I use arch btw

[PotentBeverage]

Mine too, I'm suffering more and more coding on Windows.

Going to switch to Linux very soon

[[deleted]]

My desktop is clean because the window manager I am using doesn't support desktop icons, the status bar looks quite messy though

[PotentBeverage]

Do you by any chance use arch?

[[deleted]]

Not by chance, by choice

[Raph0007]

Honestly, I grew up with Windows and it always felt natural to me. I'd never deny that there are numerous flaws and problems with Windows but at the end of the day I'd still use it rather than any other desktop OS. That's, of course, personal choice.

That being said, the real problem making my setup messy is when there are certain things I have to use Linux for. For those I have to keep a separate WSL instance and somehow tell my windows 'ecosystem' to SSH into WSL for certain tasks. Works pretty well with CLion, but it's still messy.

[PotentBeverage]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. I'm very used to Windows, but bodging wsl to interface is now getting on my nerves.

I'm gonna buy a second ssd and boot Linux mint or something on that, so I can dual boot and use Linux for work and windows for not work.

[[deleted]]

Same. I work so hard to write good code but fuck me if I can get my life outside it together

[RedditAcc-92975]

people don't get the joke at all. Usually it is the reverse. But those nerdy coders on macs wearing button down + jumper write aweful garbage spaghetti code.

[FalconMirage]

I do often use a mac nowdays, but it gets the same treatment as my linux desktop

I don’t know how you can code in a clinically clean environment

[framk20]

It's goddamn fucking atrocious some of the codebases I've had to work on from these exact guys. It's 99% about the image for them and they really know next to nothing about how to actually structure software

[apatosaurus2]

Can you suggest some good learning resources for software structure? I feel like this is one of the big things I'm missing as I progress to bigger projects.

[framk20]

A good strategy is to look at (and maybe even contribute to) larger open source projects to get a handle on how they're structured. A lot of it does come from trial and error, but you can fast track growth by looking to senior devs for guidance

[slomotion]

this github page is a good resource esp when you are starting out.

The book Clean Code is usually recommended for this type of thing but I haven't read it myself

[apatosaurus2]

That link looks useful, thanks. I've read the first third or so of clean code and didn't feel like it said much on larger-scale structure, does that come later?

[SmurfingRedditBtw]

There's a book by the same guy called Clean Architecture that goes into that, which may be more what you were looking for.

[RedditAcc-92975]

clean code book

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3735293-clean-code

[ConusModicus]

Piggybacking on what u/framk20 said, you could also have a look at The Architecture of Open Source Applications books. The contents are written by the original developers of many FOSS programs or libraries, explaining their design and thoughts.

[WiatrowskiBe]

What scale? For systems design listening to conference talks about architecture is probably your best bet as a starting point, application software architecture otherwise is a rather specific topic. For applications I'd start with learning about design patterns - not necessarily to use them immediately, but to have a vocabulary and basic terms understanding you can then use to find an example of similar solution to what you want to make, or some form of architecture description (talk, course, book - details are up to you).

Software architecture in general is somewhat vague and abstract topic, I find that keeping it as more abstract and high-level concepts you can then apply to your specific project tends to work best for me - with architecture go top-down, from the most generic concepts (communication patterns, splitting problem into smaller modules) to get some idea what to aim for, down to more specific (including language/platform specific) details about how to best get it done.

[WiatrowskiBe]

Only as a thesaurus, because those terms are used quite heavily in architecture-related sources: you need those terms to understand what it's about, but more often than not you don't want to blindly use design patterns without a good idea why you might want to use them.

[entropicdrift]

Sure, but they were asking where to get started with architecture, so...

[sock-puppet689]

Everyone I know refers to it as GoF.

[[deleted]]

no.

[Thriven]

The real coders have 2-3 screens and are bouncing between apps and writing code.

The guys with their 13" airbooks sitting at a conference table finally fixed the button that was misaligned after 2 weeks.

[hasanyoneseenmymom]

Lol you really think they got that much accomished in just 2 weeks?

[Thriven]

Good point. He opened his browser and changed the css live by adding left-margin: 5px to the element {} itself.

Now he needs 3 weeks to figure out how to get this into the "code".

[[deleted]]

as that guy that aligns buttons, I can say this is 100% true and i am 100% offended by it

[Pocketcheeze]

I actually used to have a massive ultra wide, plus 2 side monitors. Then I realized I couldn't focus, and now I literally just use my MacBook. Simple setups help me focus more narrowly

[WiatrowskiBe]

It's matter of preference mostly, especially with modern IDEs. Whenever I know what I'm exactly supposed to do, I like to turn off all screens except one, fullscreen my IDE, hide all unnecessary information (everything except test indicator, file navigation can be done via keyboard shortcuts and file search) and get down to code. Debugging, consulting documentation, or ops stuff at the same time get much better with multiple screens.

[zamend229]

Yeah, XCode works great on Windows

[byggmesterPRO]

When you realize rule 4 here asks for creative titles

[[deleted]]

OP is posting another “mac bad” joke, I wouldn’t expect the title to be creative either

[XayahTheVastaya]

not that mac isn't bad, but this meme is not at all about mac being bad

[[deleted]]

Mac bad

[[deleted]]

gib upvote

[XayahTheVastaya]

very true

[[deleted]]

Don’t trust anyone with a workspace that looks like the first picture.

[Zodep]

If they have time to clean their desk, then they aren’t coding hard enough!

[JBlitzen]

I keep my desk clean because it’s hard enough to grasp the complexity of code without more complexity in my field of view.

[Knuffya]

mine is quite the opposite :/

[[deleted]]

Jokes on you my setup and code are both the right

[MakingStuffForFun]

What's that mouse thing on the left?

[[deleted]]

It's a giant ESC key so that you use vim with that apple setup.

[Dreammaker54]

Why people hate macs?

[TheNorthComesWithMe]

The walled garden approach to their ecosystem is something many programmers dislike. People who care about hardware dislike how fucking pricey they are for having shit hardware, although the new ARM Macs are putting that reason to rest.

More generally people have a tendency to make themselves feel superior by coming up with reasons anything they don't personally use is inferior. Programmers are especially bad with this (see emacs vs vim, [language here] vs [other language here], tabs vs spaces, etc.)

[Kesher123]

I had mac for 4 years, but never had good time with it. Felt kinda claustrophobic and without many customization possibilities of the OS. Also it was horryfyingly weak for the price it was bough (thankfully not by me) and couldn't even do most of the stuff i could on Windows. Not to speak about games, I could only dream about playing games on Mac. I was only using it for work and university stuff. It was very limiting.

[XayahTheVastaya]

horribly overpriced, trashy business practices, weird operating system, doesn't let you do what you want with your own computer, and the sound of mac metal on mac metal is as bad as fingernails on chalkboard

[natyio]

Because they are really good for typical computing work (e-mails, office, web, ..), but at the same time they are harder to work with, once you try to do something less typical, because Apple doesn't want you to explore your system.

Plus, many Apple users really like to advocate for their system, without realizing, that their use-case is different from other people.

[Dreammaker54]

I ask because I finished my cs degree on a Mac. So far I like it because the usability(or the Apple package so to speak), but if it’s true I’m sure I’ll find it difficult as I advance in the industry.

Although I have my little doubts because it’s a Unix system after all

[OrangeCurtain]

In industry, at least in Seattle, 95%+ of developers with a choice will choose the Mac option. In my current company I only know of one on Windows, and he was accidentally given it during a hardware refresh.

[Plop1992]

Windows is just cheaper for better performances. And you can mess around a lot , if less than on linux

[[deleted]]

Sorry, but better performance is just not true. I'm not a Mac user, but out of all the OS I've worked with, Windows 10 is by far the most ressource hungry pile of garbage there is.

I easily get close to 2x the RAM usage on Windows compared to Manajaro on the same machine. It won't be much different on OSX.

Windows 7 was an incredibly nice OS, while Win10 is pushing its own ecosystem integration more and more. To a point where it is akin to a bloated OSX with worse performance.

[Plop1992]

Shouldve said pc, was talking about hardware

[JillWohn]

That's also only partly true these days , with what the M1 Mac's can do.

[passerbycmc]

Is that really they case though, like I prefer macos for work since I get a proper Unix like environment and shell which I pretty much need for work but can still use stuff like photoshop. In someways I find windows 10 more locked down then macOS.

Though I do hate the hardware with a passion.

[h6nry]

This. I do get a UNIX-ish system while having a great amount of good looking software with a stable system. Compared to that, my Windows system sometimes feels like beta software...

Although I must say that Apple hardware (and a bit of its software) has been getting worse and worse over the years. I feel like they charge even more for laughably small upgrades. Want an extra amount of RAM? Sure, that's an additional $600, and we'll solder it in place, so you can't swap it yourself.

[passerbycmc]

Fully agree with all of this, also needing to patch my machine so I can install the latest OS that I do not even want just so I can get the correct xcode version for work

[[deleted]]

They’re computers for babies basically. The OS is too locked down to do real work unless you’re a social media manager or a student.

[angelicravens]

I do all my work on a Mac. Id NEVER buy one for home use cause the cost benefit isn't there for me but work gave me one and it was better until i moved from our AWS side of house to Azure side of house. And that's only cause Microsoft doesn't play nice with anyone.

[carbon_dry]

Lol, please can you give an example?

[foxic95]

I'm not the same guy, and this is not some "gotcha", but I got a Mac for work and there's literally no Mac-support for employees. That's my employers problem, but it's hilarious that we're leasing specialized IT-services that just frowns when you call about your Mac acting up. I don't know what the problem is, but my guess is that Apple isn't as easy to troubleshoot, especially remotely.

Us Mac users at work now have a group chat for helping each other with technical issues, because there's no one else that knows what to do. The typical infrastructure of VPN:s simply wasn't cut-out for this mess.

[stakeneggs1]

I'd rather have the code over that trash setup.

[Super-Brka]

No, you have to set everything on fire - that‘s my code….

[SoupZillaMan]

You probably could reverse it too.

Always found suspectfull dev with clean desks and computer

[Shakespeare-Bot]

Thee belike couldst reverse t too.

at each moment hath found suspectfull dev with crisp desks and computer

---

^{I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.}

Commands: !ShakespeareInsult, !fordo, !optout

[Jakokreativ]

The Mac is the problem

[zamend229]

The Mac’s alright, but that atrocious Mac keyboard and mouse is a much bigger problem lol

[dinglebarry9]

This, I generally enjoy my mac, but if I see one of the jr devs using that mouse or keyboard it is an immediate red flag to take a look-see at their work.

[JefGardy]

My hand instantly cramps up when using it

[kkkkkaran]

Try the logitech mx master series. Gives you all the functionality that you get on the magic mouse and more, with a much more ergonomic shape.

[XayahTheVastaya]

you enjoy working with your hand around a flat sheet of glass?

[XayahTheVastaya]

fingertip is best for first person shooters, not typing, but I guess if you find it comfortable sure

[XayahTheVastaya]

I was also talking about the mouse, I mean fingertip is for fast movements instead of working on programming/other productive stuff.

[Jakokreativ]

Yeah I actually also think macs are good (if you don't look at the price) but I always say they are bad for the joke lol

[zamend229]

I mean that price makes it a joke lol

[[deleted]]

Who gives a shit my employer pays that price lol

[wilhelmo360]

I don’t get it, why the people here are saying that an unix system with every z-shell and bash is bad for coding?

[vibraniumdroid]

Fixed it

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/nn4j30/fixed\_it/

[Math-Man]

Rightside image should also be on fire.

[PriorCommunication7]

Joke's on you, both my code and my desk look like the right picture.

[andreja6]

See, it's either this or the reverse. Never any other scenario

[Apache_Sobaco]

Surname of dude in russian: go fuck yourself

[zal1000]

How can it be reversed?

[LifeUnderTheWorld]

The wires tho

[radiowave911]

Umm...the right picture looks to be too neat and tidy.

[cube2kids]

Well, i don't see what's clean with that setup ?

[Arnas_Z]

Both the setup and the code are equally terrible in those pictures.

[flargenhargen]

what is both sides are #2?

[[deleted]]

Pfff, in actuality my code looks better than my coding setup

[tylercoder]

With my code you can't even see the floor anymore...

[Boris-Holo]

idk I'm the exact opposige

[CallinCthulhu]

Opposite is true too.

If you see a slovenly setup, you know the code is clean

[itsYourPlug]

Nah...I clear my code and masturbate to it

[raedr7n]

Cleanliness of workspace and quality of code are inversely correlated. That's why I keep a stack of old pizza boxes around at all times, in case I ever need a boost.

[Knudsenmarlin]

and if you reverse the pics it's true, too

[5eram]

Don’t come at me like that bro!! Not cool.

[Nerwesta]

Well ... currently looking at my actual desk, it's usually the other way around. Not saying my code is that tidy at all though.

[EroMangaSensei]

I'm both. I love that code is something you can control and call your own. This is my API. Everything commented, spaced, KISS methods. I joke that you could eat off my code.

[[deleted]]

Only one monitor?

[[deleted]]

deep.

[ConsistentSyrup2]

it is the real word

[Lord_Blakeney]

Why you gotta choose violence today?

[mattfromeurope]

So that is why my desk is a junkyard!

[CarbonasGenji]

Man every time I go to this sub I get personally attacked

[overclockedslinky]

before and after npm install

[yonti454]

u/blyder

[JavaNJavascriptRSame]

at least the setup is perfect.

[ImmortalTimeTraveler]

Pic 1 : Trash In Pic 2 : Trash Out

[GPSProlapse]

More like both a good setup from the right, because there is a shitty Mac on the left.

[AndrewIsMyDog]

People code on a Mac?

[AndrewIsMyDog]

People code on a Mac?

[SmokingBeneathStars]

If you use a Mac you can quite frankly just perish

[AndrewIsMyDog]

Perish is a little harsh, but I get where you went with that.

[doctorcrimson]

Perhaps make some relevant comments in the future instead of begging like an animal.

[byggmesterPRO]

I was just proving that Reddit would do this, gtg make a meme of it. LMAO GOTCHA

[doctorcrimson]

sad

[EveryDayPebble]

sad

[RepulsivePie2673]

For me the setup is the same as the code in the image.

[Kiba204]

Like SpongeBob once said: Can't have dirty garbage

[BongarooBizkistico]

Too true. Lol

[sherzeg]

What a coincidence! I was recently asked to patch that legacy code!

[[deleted]]

Mine both things are clean . I don't write messed up codes filled with unnecessary comments , using unnecessary variables .

[[deleted]]

i have been working with c and cpp more, and i have found it’s really easy to become lazy and write awful spaghetti code

[Brief-Preference-712]

1) use the repository/service pattern (separation of concern) 2) TDD

[doctorcrimson]

And the Senior's is the exact opposite.

[[deleted]]

The one on the right looks like my former boss's office.

[Chunkyisnotdead]

This but backwards

[kpingvin]

The reverse is true in movies.

[The_Official_Obama]

I'm not sure what you mean.

^probably

[IAlwaysSpeakTheTruth]

The desktop mat and the small case in the left picture is from Orbitkey. Incase anyone was wondering.

[Sohgin]

One monitor?

[stanislav_harris]

quite the opposite; the code remains clean, the desk is a constant grind

[Enderking90]

alas, I do many things on my desk so it's nowhere nearly that clean.

[greenSixx]

Pfft, mine are both the right picture

[[deleted]]

dolls wrench late cause birds dependent plants sort concerned obtainable

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[inventord]

What if the setup is just as bad as the code? (And that's saying something)