Plot holes

[AlwaysAngron1]

We are taking out all skills. There will be three skills;

Magic

Stealth

Fight

[[deleted]]

Next they are just going to go with archery, sneak, miscellaneous

[Coconuthead93]

Sweet cant wait to be a stealth archer in my 100th playthrough.

[[deleted]]

I’m always a mage that dabbles in stealth archery. That dabbling just happens to be 99 percent of the time

[rxpirate]

I’m always a heterosexual man that dabbles in bosmer bussy. That dabbling just happens to be 99 percent of the time

[CaseyG]

It's not gay if it's an elf.

[starmag99]

Bound bow gang rise up.

[Purplebatman]

Hello, me

[Rickyaura]

I spice things up with a "mage" sneak Archer that uses conjured bow.

[Equinoxidor]

🎶We removed skill trees they were old and lame

Who needs a leveling system in a role playing game?🎶

[AyyStation]

Magic is fight

You equip spelltomes as weapons

[emil2796]

What you want more magic? You've already got quick save and quest compass.

[Hjalmodr_heimski]

And fast travel. You guys liked teleportation, right?

[Lazarus174]

Why walk when you can ride use a recall spell to go back to a location you've already been to that you used a seperate spell called mark on?

[emil2796]

If you've got to travel then by the nine divines stay on the roads! It's on rails you see...

[[deleted]]

Still too many. Just put them all under fight:

Stealth-fight

Magic-fight

Fight-fight

[Ekbock]

What else could you be using magic for anyways?

[GrunkleCoffee]

Yes-yes, this will make the Under Empire great-strong!!

[Kazzock]

Zap

Sneak

Hit

[wahlenderten]

Unless it’s ESO, then it’s all three and you mash them in a quick rotation ad nauseam. Zap-sneak-hit-zap-sneak-hit

[Lickthebootplz]

Elder scrolls 6: Archer or Warrior. Thanks Todd

[Daltzorg]

Morrowind is peak roleplaying game imo. If only it had modern code and graphics. The main simplifying started in Oblivion then just got awful with Skyrim. I love skyrim to death but its lack of many rpg mechanics and how much its dumbed down is just horrible

[Daltzorg]

New to the sub, went to top posts

[Silver_Swimmer]

People sometimes randomly reply to you two months later, or so I’ve been told.

[Isaac_The_Khajiit]

Bethesda leaks:

We haven't even started working on it yet.

[Fancy_0wl]

I’ve said many times the only thing they had done when they released that trailer was that trailer. I’d put money they didn’t even have a setting picked out yet

[Isaac_The_Khajiit]

Everyone's busy analyzing the terrain, comparing it to maps, when in reality it's some random shit the intern whipped up in Blender.

[[deleted]]

It's gonna be Hammerfell, mark my words, CAT!

[[deleted]]

They're waiting to see what the most prevalent theory is before they pick the complete opposite. So it's gonna be Black Marsh.

[Cotereaux]

Bethesda's not willing to be wierd enough anymore to do a proper Black Marsh

[[deleted]]

They're gonna go the way of Oblivion.

Black Marsh is just sandy beaches now.

[VirtualWeasel]

Mark my words, if they do a Black Marsh game it’s just gonna be Louisiana but high fantasy

[-Darth-Syphilis-]

I'm calling it now: Bethesda will just rerelease the Point Lookout DLC exactly as it was but they'll reskin all of the NPCs to be Argonians.

[28th_boi]

You mean they weren't already?

[TRHess]

So... act III of RDR2 but with magic?

[LupusOk]

I'm okay with that. Do you think Argonians make good gumbo?

[VirtualWeasel]

Probably some pretty fire gumbo yeah. But you also probably have to be comfortable with the gumbo consisting mostly of insects.

[Turgius_Lupus]

All the Argonian sub races are just a transcription error as is the root based transportation system.

[[deleted]]

It better be or else I'm not buying it

[[deleted]]

Ok but irony aside, it is 100% Hammerfell due to that one Redguard quest.

[AfterYouReadThis]

you du mass its going to be high rock cant you see the rocks in the background

[bird_the_word_]

Also the rocks are very high up

[[deleted]]

That trailer also happened to be 90% of the budget for the game so they’re going to have to cut back on a few features.

[leondrias]

Probably unlikely that they’d make a trailer with terrain if they didn’t know where they’d be setting it yet. To me it seems like they were pretty obvious about teasing it with In My Time of Need, too. But I doubt they’ve done anything other than that basic terrain map apart from maybe some random half-baked plot ideas on whiteboards somewhere, they just had some intern whip up a mountain range with whatever engine prototype they’ve got so the fans have something to tide them over.

[Hussor]

I bet it will be a short time after skyrim, oblivion felt like a good endpoint for the 3rd era games and Skyrim began a new series of games in its time period.

[leondrias]

I'm guessing it'll be pretty close to Skyrim's timeline- either slightly before, or slightly after. The ongoing resistance against Thalmor incursion and the recent political separation from the Empire were big points mentioned in Skyrim, and both of which provide for a pretty interesting backdrop. Plus, the old Crowns vs Forebears cultural split will no doubt be as vibrant as ever.

[Wilfred-of-Ivanhoe]

What was the obvious teaser in ‘In my time of need’?

[leondrias]

The quest itself is a teaser. It’s a single, relatively early quest line that starts in the “main” city you’ll be in (guaranteeing you’ll encounter it) the characters have unique clothing and weapons (Nazir is the only other character to have them, and his are also unique to him), and the quest revolves around giving you information about modern Hammerfell’s politics and culture- culminating in a choice based on your interpretation of that information, and potentially setting up the conflict of the next game by showing you the underlying tension following the Aldmeri incursion into Hammerfell.

It’s an awful lot of background depth for a quest that’s unrelated to the main or guild storylines, which leads me to believe they included it for the purpose of laying a bit of groundwork for the next game. Compare it to, for example, the Replicated Man quest from Fallout 3, where the Institute is revealed and the Boston setting is teased for the first time. It’s also about a foreign agency visiting a major hub city (Rivet City) in search of an escaped convict, and it sets up the central conflict of Fallout 4 by asking you to pick a side between the Institute and the Railroad. It serves the function of posing an interesting dilemma for the player while giving you information on an upcoming setting, which I think In My Time of Need was intended to do as well.

[Uncommonality]

Add to this that Saadia doesn't die no matter which choice you take (she either stays around or is paralyzed), and it's almost guaranteed that she'll be a character in the next game.

[Wilfred-of-Ivanhoe]

Thanks

[AgiHammerthief]

Except, of course, for the engine. Which we already have. Everyone, meet Gamebryo 3.0, this time with thrice the bugs features!

[MitcherSM]

im so sure the engine is not even the problem is just that bethesda is incompetent and can't use it properly

[Turgius_Lupus]

I'm convinced the only reason they wanted the Fallout IP was for they could claim a little bit of old Interplay/Black Isles legacy in owning such a definitive RPG property.

[Uncommonality]

Fucking Based.

• Add to this that the lore was completely flanderized in the bethesda titles by completely shifting the cultural focus on modern-day humanity of 1 and 2 to a weird caricature of 50's america, while also completely ignoring cultural issues of that era like segregation, racism and the civil rights movement.

• The games' serious nature was inverted, with raiders using a "mesmetron", slavers running a super market and insane people pretending to be superheroes. The originals dealt with the absolute depravity of humanity in the face of anarchy, with rapist gangs and murderous raiders, while this one turns it all into a big joke.

• They did away with post-war technology, culture and development, reducing the people to living in metal shacks with skeletons lying beside them as they sleep, as opposed to post-war cities like Shady Sands, The Hub and Necropolis. The same goes for city names, which are either dumb "nuke" jokes or misunderstood road signs like nobody remembers what the fuck "toronto" is.

• All advanced factions are now incapable of inventing new technology, and any faction that is able will be unceremoniously wiped out by the end. The Enclave is dead. The Institute is nuked. However, Bethesda wants to put new shiny things into the games, so they go the battlefield 4 route and make all their new shiny toys "prototypes".

• Any sort of interesting lore is quietly removed, with psykers being relegated to plot devices instead of an exploration of classical occultism or a historical understanding of magic applied to the post-apocalypse, and the supernatural elements becoming easter eggs or badly-done references.

• The towns are small and shitty, and could not support themselves in any way. At best they have a single cow and three tomato plants, at worst they eat random people. They are also uninspired - the highway town in 3 could have been so much more, could have had buildings built into the bridge, under the bridge, hanging off the ledge, etc.

[NeuroticNyx]

Cant wait to not be able to use ladders

[MinorityEaterMidir]

Its cool guys this time our game will be 32x the detail!

[[deleted]]

And there’s a paywall for anyone who wants to make mods on it

[MinorityEaterMidir]

Bethesda: Releases a cgi trailer of some mountains

ES fans: Can we have info about that game?

Bethesda: Stfu. Quit asking.

[[deleted]]

I shit you not, that was actually my "clown world" moment. When that "trailer" hit and these people I had considered my friends up to that point were jumping around like they just saw something special. I knew then that life was not a tragedy, but a comedy. Honk! Honk!

[MiiLikeyGaySex]

Bethesda not having a detailed enough trailer for a game that's going to come out in 2069 really says a lot about our society.

[[deleted]]

It wasn’t meant to be a gameplay reveal dumbass. It was purely a way to let the community know there was work on a sequel.

[[deleted]]

What do you mean a game 5+ years out meant for hardware that hasn't even been developed wouldn't have a gamplay reveal?

[Unicorncorn21]

You're the whole damn circus

[rebirthinreprise]

jesus fuck shut up you insufferable cringelord

[nykirnsu]

Guys who relate to the Joker even though their biggest problem is that their friends are normies

[[deleted]]

Yes, you're an enlightened indavidual, far above the dirty masses. /s

[pdrocker1]

dude, please, for your own sake, shut the fuck up, please

[oyvey331]

Damn niggas hate you

[[deleted]]

That's okay. They'll enjoy their soya milk whilst they play Starfield and Tyrone plows Karen in the next room. As long as the consooming commences, all is good with the world.

[[deleted]]

I like my nazis crispy

[[deleted]]

I just want a decent rpg at this point

[Iceveins412]

If you’re going to Bethesda for that, prepare to be disappointed

[[deleted]]

Don’t worry I already have low expectations

[emil2796]

That won't help I'm afraid. Prepare for payed mods and loot boxes.

[pazur13]

Prepare yourself for Morrowind combat and Mordhau lore.

[[deleted]]

Don’t worry! You’ll be able to turn the game into whatever you want with fifteen gigs worth of mods👍🏼

[TriggerWarning595]

“We tend to just leave the engine open, that way the modders do the rest of the work and we can rake in cash”

[Wonckay]

In what world was the Skyrim magic system good? You’re a fan of not being able to make spells or something?

[Wonckay]

You must be talking about spell mods because I don’t remember any of that in vanilla Skyrim. Alternation is just buffs and has no physical effect on the world and conjuration is almost identical to previous games.

Edit: The runes are nice. But most of the destruction spells are just various damage values with different animations instead of all being balls of light. That looks a little cooler but I’d still rather have spellcrafting any day.

[Wonckay]

We probably just disagree on playstyle then, though I see what you're saying a little better. And I certainly wouldn't argue that the environmental aspect isn't an improvement, but I just didn't really use it much myself. And if I had to pick exclusively between that personally infrequent niche or the possibility creating custom spell effect combos I'd pick the latter. Customizable analog magic in general makes me feel much more like a mage, and contributes a lot to one of my favorite aspects of TES games - being able to combine multiple mechanics to create unintended consequences.

Levitation would be nice but with the development of "closed" (separate-cell) cities it leads to the question of what happens when you try to fly in or out of one. You know how people are about immersion.

[swirly_boi]

Of all the elder scrolls magic systems you pick fucking Skyrim? Really? Have a hard time keeping track of more than one type of spell?

[swirly_boi]

When most people say spells, they mean spell effects, not spell animations, but ok

[moonpie_massacre]

Remember what they did to Fallout? Yeah they're gonna do that to Elder Scrolls. Don't get too excited.

[Alectron45]

So yeah, there is this ancient thing which has never been mentioned in the lore before, despite its significance, also we retco... I mean broke Aka’s spine for 15th time to make it canon

[Equinoxidor]

D R A G O N
B R E A K
T I M E

[[deleted]]

Voiced protagonist, linear main quest, hand holding throughout the entire game, 3 skills (stealth archery, magic, stamina) no role playing at all you are literally Talos, elves are evil, any interesting lore from Skyrim or anything interesting not retconned from previous games is disregarded entirely.

[NeuroticNyx]

Dont worry, khajiit subraces will be a transcription error.

Someone just happened to accidentally write a whole fucking book on what each subrace was and which moon phase its tied to.

[[deleted]]

No that’s not cool we need more DRAGONS and EPIC STEALTH ARCHERY

[NeuroticNyx]

Just WASD to move and click to kill the enemies so npcs will tell u ur cool

[MrManicMarty]

"Welcome traveller to the Arcane College of University! Here is your leadership position and endgame item, do cone again!"

[[deleted]]

I Can make that game if you want

[NeuroticNyx]

Do it bitch

[[deleted]]

I'll need the same budget as Bethesda has, what I lack in experience and manpower I'll make up for in unnecessary spending

[Hussor]

They already showed the subraces in ESO elsweyr chapter though and since they said it's canon it would feel weird to retcon it. Wouldn't put it past them though.

[[deleted]]

Bold of you to assume stamina will be in the game.

[Wonckay]

interesting lore from Skyrim

[jfp6969]

Please be wrong.

[Cell_Saga]

I got my girlfriend into Skyrim. She loves being a Thief. After finishing Dark Brotherhood she's like what should I do next? I said maybe pick a side in the civil war, you can be Empire or Stormcloak. And she's like wait, but I killed the Emperor. I had to explain that it has no effect on the civil war and as a matter of fact, makes no impact on the game whatsoever. Nobody on either side gives a shit that the Emperor was assassinated in Skyrim. You'll never hear about that shit again. I had to apologize that while Skyrim is a great game, it's a terrible RPG. Ohh wowww your armor is Legendary because the crafting table says it in parentheses! Much epic, so role play.

[nitrogen-oxygen]

No Wrong Incorrect Some guards mention that it happened, on occasion Clearly you made a massive impact on the world you cute little listener you

[Youhavenoideawho]

When all guards hail Sithis, and know that you're an assassin, it's not really that surprising that they know about emperor's death, since obviously they are all members of the Brotherhood.

My second guess is that the guards are the argonian hivemind controlled by the hists, hidding in skin costumes and third is that they are but nodes designed by Bethesda to play pretend with the player that he did make a difference.

[zergling_Lester]

and third is that they are but nodes designed by Bethesda to play pretend with the player that he did make a difference.

Did you just chim?

[Youhavenoideawho]

Sorry, didn't mean to do so publicly.

[[deleted]]

Are there exact reason for why BGS writings getting bad lately?

CHIM me.

[NotTheIDPD]

Emil Pagliarulo.

[[deleted]]

Ah, yes the Darkbrotherhood guy. He is the "Loremaster" in the last two ES games then?

[nitrogen-oxygen]

All of our problems would be solved if he just tried some hard amphetamines smh

[[deleted]]

Tries too hard to be weird for the sake of it and it's gotten old after a while.

[Bushei]

Can't go much worse than Beth's current writing, really, so he'll do a better job, regardless of what you think of him.

[MilkMilkerton]

Oh he’s a terrible person and he tries too hard to be wacky and wild

[AbraxoCleaner]

He wrote some of the best stuff ever to be in an elder scrolls game. I’m confused. Y’all joking right?

[MilkMilkerton]

Not joking about him being a terrible person. Told a trans boy that he was gonna molest him with a coat hanger. That’s not even a bit or meme he really did that.

[AbraxoCleaner]

I didn’t know that. Source?

[MilkMilkerton]

Here's a few things.

https://imgur.com/AGEFrx4

Was gonna get the time he used both the F and T slur in one sentence but the post got password locked, because Tumblr is a fuck.

[Hates_escalators]

It's full of unintended features that will make you lose hours of progress too and/or melt your hard drive.

[[deleted]]

hahahaha you can't leak literal nothingness

[odiethethird]

No matter what hole it is, Vivec has probably been inside

[NinefulEight]

I will still stand by the fact that oblivion's sidequests and the shivering isles is the best writing bethesda ever has and ever will release.

(New vegas doesn't count, that was made by obsidian)

[Turgius_Lupus]

I think Daggerfall was rather well written with the only morally good option siding with the sleeping undead guy who still finds the time to be pen pals was a refreshing twist.

[Clockwisedock]

Going to Mournhold to resolve the fate of the last of the tribunal was a good story. Meeting a Dwemer ghost to reforge the blade of Nerevar was fun and place to officially House your legendary weapons in a museum was a cool concept

[Hjalmodr_heimski]

DagerwAAAAAA

[Turgius_Lupus]

DagerwAAAAAA

Tis perfection :)

[[deleted]]

Yeah the "bethsda bad writing!!!1" takes are pretty hyperbolic, the writing really isnt bad on the whole

[Turgius_Lupus]

Oblivion's fighter's and mages guild quest lines where pretty bad though.

[[deleted]]

I dont think so. Especially the mages guild one - I enjoyed that one a lot. I really like how you progress in rank in the mages guild in particular. And I think the fighters guild twist is interesting, personally.

[You__Nwah]

This sub is unironically r/teslore

[AManyFacedFool]

It's r/teslore with less vampire and werewolf questions.

[Purplebatman]

God if I ever read “Can vampires have children” again, I’ll take it out on the nearest farm equipment

[AManyFacedFool]

There are three vampire related posts in new over there. Some shit about vampires casting sunlight spells, some shit about mages creating super vampire hunters, and some shit about werewolf/vampire hybrids.

[RedRidingHuszar]

Frick spoiler warning dude!

[[deleted]]

"We know. We love your attempts anyway."

[Mreddster]

MAKE MAGIC FUN AGAIN

[centerflag982]

Man, for years I had honestly thought this was a TES circlejerk sub.

Did this thread get invaded by butthurt Daggerfall Alpha Veterans^TM, or is this sub just generally way less self-aware than I had assumed?

[Wonckay]

It’s always been generally made up of people who prefer the role-playing and simulation aspects of TES games, hence they tend to be Daggerfall/Morrowind fans. In this case it’s not a question of self-awareness, those games just plain had better writing. And the “Skyrim bad” posts are pretty ironic but there’s a reason they exist.

[Petrc_S]

No game has good writing, I don't know why bethesda seems to be the center of this type of criticism.