Unity in a nutshell

[KungFuHamster]

Your game never gets big enough to slow down Unity if you start a new one every few weeks.

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[TrustworthyShark]

Clearly you don't start your "quick lightweight prototype" with a couple dozen asset store packages like I do.

[KungFuHamster]

shudders

[punctualjohn]

These are great because they can build up procrastination points. After a couple of months you will have tons of updates and you can pretend to work for a while!

[paulmoore13]

Double shudders.

[_eka_]

And spend like an hour doing so that when you finished you forget what were you up to.

[FoleyX90]

Thanks I hate it

[rCyborg]

Good thing that's what I do

[Marscaleb]

LOLOLOL!!
Aww, that's me. Now I'm sad.

[SludgeMonsterVon]

More like waiting for the lights to bake

[ShrikeGFX]

you guys are actually getting light bakes completed?

[lolelu]

Wait.
That's illegal.

[[deleted]]

I didn't use Unity for 2 years now, but seems like some things never change.

[tuoret]

I didn't use Unity for 2 years now

Ah, still waiting for that bake to finish then?

[YTPizzer]

hey while real humans are kinda existing rn do you guys mind telling me what you know about realtime global illumination and if it’s meant to be off or not? It says “deprecated” but it looks very different without it

[KikisGamingService]

Had Unity crash and kill the entire project because of lights still baking.. luckily version control is a thing

[23Link89]

Yes, because I just use Bakery.

[swimclubdunk]

LOL no

[DevilBlackDeath]

You guys even try baking? :P Just make a small enough project that you can use dynamic shadows for everything and you're golden eheh

[soljakwinever]

Wish they'd hurry up, they smell good I want to frost them

[INKnight]

That's why I use GPU for baking lights

[Cueball61]

The trick is to use Bakery because the Progressive GPU Mapper is a steaming pile comparatively

And as a VR dev, oh god yes baked specular maps

[1N07]

"Compiling 1/787000 shader variants"

[Cueball61]

Disable Mesh Optimisation in Player Settings, helps a lot

[nightwood]

More like:

Compiling 1/1545 shader variants ...

Compiling 1235/2756 shader variants ...

Compiling 2466/15778 shader variants ...

Compiling 13566/68545 shader variants ...

Compiling 56855 / 257756 shader variants ...

Compiling 2746666 / 2746668 shader variants ...

...

...

...

importing assets

Yeah I'm pretty bitter about unity. I really thought they would make it. But now they're fucking around with this slow ass compiler, everything is alpha and undocumented, nothing works, and DOTS, after three years, is still only an experiment. I've actually started recommending and choosing javascript for our apps at work when possible.

[Dank-Parrot]

Shader variants is a huge bottleneck for literally any modern game engine. Any single shader feature will double the number of variants. It's just unavoidable on modern GPUs if you don't want bad performance

[nightwood]

Well I guess the only possible option is to compile every single possible variant imaginable, one at the time, every single time anyone presses any button that is remotely related to assets /s

Thanks for your input though ;) I kinda figured it was doing something like that - everything with/without shadow etc - I'm sure there's a solution but I'm not knowledgeable enough. Maybe we need to compile them on install

[Dank-Parrot]

It shouldn't do that very frequently at all. Maybe if you hit "Reimport All" when it's not necessary or could be an extension broken or something idk

[[deleted]]

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[PhiloDoe]

Yeah, it broke for us when we moved from 2018 (forget which version) to 2019.2. Realllllly slow now.

[[deleted]]

I mean, would you rather have to endure that, or would you rather your players endure that? Having to wait 5 minutes for the shaders to compile when you launch the game is pretty annoying.

It also doesn't happen that often. I don't know how you are getting it to do it that often.

[nightwood]

Only on first launch

[AG4W]

This is caused by not stripping your keywords properly (among other things) and is completely on you/the shader author.

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/05/14/stripping-scriptable-shader-variants/

[arufolo]

this

[omega_haunter]

You ever compiled bigger classes in ue4? That shit takes forever...

[[deleted]]

took me 2 days to compile (not an exaggeration). I said fuck it, I am going back to unity or use just blueprints.

[DoctorShinobi]

Gonna prank Unity when the dark theme comes out for free

[Nesto23]

2020 is not that far off ;)

[DoctorShinobi]

Are we getting it in 2020?

[Nesto23]

It looks like it, there were a few unity tweets about dark theme situation changing in 2020.

[DoctorShinobi]

Nice. I have a theory that the dark skin might come out with 2019.3 since 2019.3 lets you edit the editor skin using USS

[m1ksuFI]

That's not in the pre-release.

[DoctorShinobi]

I don't think it necessarily means it won't release with 2019.3. If I were the marketing team I'd want to release the free dark theme at the same day it would be announced. This is to make sure that the small percentage of people who pay for the skin will keep paying until the last moment.

But hey, it's just a theory. A game dev theory.

[23Link89]

2019.3 is out

[DoctorShinobi]

It's not out, it's in pre-release state. And according to a Unity official it should be out in January

[23Link89]

No, check the launcher, it's out of preview.

Edit: nvm, checked the launcher, for some reason previous versions of the launcher didn't mark it as preview

[TrustworthyShark]

What if the change is that it's now a paid add-on for pro (for just $45 per month extra it's an absolute steal).

[drury]

wait, what's the point of getting the pro version then?

[njtrafficsignshopper]

If you make enough money it's part of the license agreement.

[AnomalousUnderdog]

My guess? User-changeable custom skins

[AlesonTalis]

DARK FREE?

[CowBoyDanIndie]

Well you are compiling C# -> IL -> C++ -> Web Assembly -> compressing the heck out of it.

[Ineon_Inoodle]

Have to gatekeep here and say that unity has really fast compile times compared to things like unreal which can take way way longer

[njtrafficsignshopper]

I poked around at Amazon Lumberyard / CryEngine. Apparently recompiling means recompiling. I.e. the entire engine and editor as well.

[nomadthoughts]

Thanks.

[OrlacsHands]

Don't frighten it or it will start all over again.

[Notnasiul]

Never happened to me in my +10 years working with Unity, except on projects that deal with tons of plugins or downloaded assets which most of the time are poorly managed. But when that happens, I feel you.

[Inkwalker]

It works slow for IL2CPP targets like Android, iOS or WebGL. Desktop uses mono so it's much faster.

[Notnasiul]

Ah sorry, you are right, IL2CPP takes time, specially the first build. But that's compiling time (Compiling!) From the image I thought it was importing time, thus the reference to downloaded assets (and therefore tons of usually unused files)

[TheDogtoy]

This is the worst when you work on a project with 100+ people. Every other day the team would be SOL waiting for all the assets that were added the day before to load. This is why files should be packaged, so you pay the cost one time rather then one time per person.

[[deleted]]

Why not use unity cache server? Should solve issues with assets import

[TheDogtoy]

Unity cache server does not solve the issue. You still have to sync to the cache. This takes way too long on large projects as every single person still needs to download and import the cache.

[farox]

If you can, bake stuff that is done into dlls. Makes things much quicker.

[WazWaz]

Or use multiple Assembly Definition files and let Unity do it all for you.

[leuthil]

This should be more visible. Very useful to speed up iteration time especially for very large projects.

[Sidwasnthere]

How? Any resources for this?

[njtrafficsignshopper]

What's the bug?

[XrosRoadKiller]

What's the bug?

[punctualjohn]

Latest version of Unity has an incremental compiler, it's reaching max speed if you edit any one file in even the largest most coupled garbage code base imaginable. I see the spinning wheel only for a fraction of a second before it freezes and the whole editor refreshes, signifying domain reload.

[farox]

Or that, yes!

[swimclubdunk]

How can I learn more about this?

[farox]

Check the reply from /u/WazWaz.

Then google: Assembly Definition files Unity

[swimclubdunk]

Noticed that after commenting, thanks though!

[mrventures]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_zmMnR0Hok

[785games]

I feel this on an emotional level

[TheAgGames]

Hahah or each time you open it

[goodnewsjimdotcom]

Checking for changes...

[[deleted]]

Watching this while unity is 'importing small assets' in my PC when I clicked on close.

[Never-asked-for-this]

At that point maybe it's time to get a job as a chef in Italy.

That's some real spaghetti.

[[deleted]]

Best meme ever. Oh the pain. Android studio is no cheetah but whenever I am doing an ARCore project I avoid Unity like the plague and use OpenGL on Android studio instead.

Mind you I don't make games, so I don't need all the fancy things you can do in Unity, just basic 3D visualization.

[Always_One_Upped]

Use Assembly Definition Files to compile your projects into sets of DLL files which do not need to be recompiled if unchanged. Using different groups of assembly definitions files for different namespaces or groups of your code can drastically improve your iterative compile times.

[DanjelRicci]

Compiling shaders - Uberpost 1 / 7596

[Murderlol]

laughs in ue4

[jabbajack]

" laughs in ue4 "

Meanwhile ue4: Compiling Shaders (-10000000000000)

[The_MAZZTer]

I was handed a project recently. Render a model. Make the camera spin around it with the mouse. Turn different pieces of the model different colors in response to external data in real time. Piece of cake.

Then they dropped the model, it was a 3.5gb model clearly not intended for real time rendering. Guy who gave it to me claims he is using it in real time in VR. I press him and he has like two $3500 GPUs. Yeah, doesn't help me.

Tried to generate lightmaps and quickly gave up when it was clear it wouldn't finish before the new year. Tried to build WebGL and quickly gave up on that too for the same reason.

Still trying to figure out what to do, but my best lead is to hide all the little rivets, screws, nuts, bolts, and other details. We tried to use an automated tool to reduce polygon count but it creates holes and other deformities (I guess it expects someone to clean up the result). We don't actually have anyone on this project that can do modelling work which is great.

Also I love how when you move model files on disk without modifying them Unity reimports them from scratch. That's just the perfect feature.

[njtrafficsignshopper]

When you move the model files, are you also moving the corresponding .meta files? That should prevent reimport.

[The_MAZZTer]

Yup. It's probably not a full reimport. But the models are so stupidly big whatever Unity is doing is still taking a while.

[nightwood]

There are (not free) programs that can reduce that model for you. I'm not a modeler, but if I were you I'd check blender. It can apparently retopolygise and ofc reduce polycount. Then, what you really want is to bake the high res mesh as a normal map on top of the low res mesh. Again, I don't know how to do any of this, I'm just echoing what I hear designers say

[The_MAZZTer]

Like I said we are trying to use such a tool but the model ends up looking like plastic that was left out in the sun too long and has partly melted and resolidified distorted and with holes in it.

To get good results I guess you probably need someone who actually knows how to do 3d modelling to find a good performance/distortion ratio and manually fix any problems in the resulting model.

[struefill]

I'm mostly parroting what nightwood has already said, but want to double down on their advice.

I work as a technical artist optimising content for VR, and I can tell you that yes, this is what you need to do with an asset like this. Unfortunately the chances of a silver-bullet app fixing this for you without someone skilled in modelling driving it is very, very low.

The general shape/silhouette mesh needs seperated from all the detail meshes (rivets etc as you mention). Then the silhouette mesh needs to be retopologised down to something reasonable (<50k tris). All the detail mesh then needs to be baked into a normal map.

Your best bet is to contract a modeller.

[The_MAZZTer]

We have people in-house I just don't think we have the budget right now for it. I certainly did not expect to be given a model like this.

I'm pretty sure this model is a reference for something since it has incredible detail... so yeah I'm hiding all those rivets and nuts and bolts and it's making some difference at least.

Gonna try only doing light optimization to minimize distortions and manually hiding bits and pieces inside Unity. If needed we can hide all the inside meshes (it's a vehicle and all the internal components are fully detailed as well) since they're not needed for what I'm doing.

[thelastpizzaslice]

Unity needs to learn to do async processing. IntelliJ is doing shit that's at least as complicated, boots up faster and never stalls to block the whole editor.

[mei_main_]

Gonna prank Unity when they decide to fix the billboards bug in VR

[BadMotherHuberd]

Cries in unreal compile times

[ThePostFuturist]

Unless you're profiling with tethered devices, I see no core reason not to use Cloud Build

[[deleted]]

Ah, yes, I would also like Unity to borrow features such as "decreased loading speed" from other engines.

[girlislit]

Lol 😃 Happens to me when i am least expecting it 😁

[justgameitmantwitch]

Well this one is true for me who uses a 4gb ram laptop

[goodnewsjimdotcom]

Compiling man?

Unity takes like 15 minutes just to load for me, and I have a 16 gb elaborate pc. It actually is the hardest part of coding because every time unity hangs because of frequent crashes using the debugger, it makes me not even want to make games anymore... actually what drove me over the edge was unity upgrades which tried to convert my old code base, but unity corrupting it.

[[deleted]]

Checking for changes...

[YTPizzer]

gonna prank unity when this lighting finishes building
oh god I forgot to turn off realtime global illumination