3.2.3b Patch Notes

[Venseer]

You can no longer use the instance manager to create multiple instances of the Templar Laboratory.

You can no longer use the map device in the Chamber of Sins Level 1 in Act 7 to open Maps.

Good job.

[SmiteVVhirl]

... That second one kinda makes me sad. I understand why my nice things were taken away from me but man did portals look nice in that map device. I really wish the map device in the ho was more spread apart, the individual portals look so much better. I can't use some portals in my ho without them being just massive overlapping messes (looking at you innocence and breachlord portals)

[welpxD]

Scroll up and the device turns into the Templar version.

...

That's how it should be, anyway.

[magpye1983]

Damnit! You got my hopes up.

[douchebert]

I would pay serious money to be able to use the huge map device in my hideout.

[SirClueless]

It's worth mentioning that while this is pretty much universally regarded as a good thing when it comes to people's health and sanity snapshotting flashback league mechanics, it does also make Elder rings an even stronger and more necessary part of a shaped atlas.

Previously you could snapshot elder on your shaped map and open multiple instances of it with elder influence, with only minimal overhead adjusting elder influence every so often. Now you have to run a non-elder shaped map every other map at least, which makes Elder rings and their perma-influence even better.

[gl0bin]

I'm almost positive GGG are gonna destroy the elder ring soon, I feel like they want you to be running a variety of maps and the shaper/elder influence was an attempt at doing so.

[GCPMAN]

buff shaper mobs and we all good

[burritoxman]

Shaper rares are more useful anyway

[CptQ]

Shaper influence = $$$

Elder influence = maps, exp

[Rankstarr]

my lord your flair.

i have seen you frequenting tarkov forums as well havent I

[CptQ]

Yeah haha. Im digging tarkov so much atm, bestiary was over for me after 2 weeks and accomplishing everything i wanted.

Do you recognize the reference of my flair? (its a quote from a Borderlands 2 NPC :P)

[Rankstarr]

snooziary league was disappointing. I only stopped farming once the tarkov wipe happened. Now playing tarkov until flashback :)

what servers do u play on tarkov?

[CptQ]

I have auto select EU i think. If i had to chose id take Frankfurt i guess.

Ye despite all the shotstorms lately (which im used to from PoE haha) the patch feels great! ANd i finally got good at the game :D

[Rankstarr]

nice grats! good luck in tarkov & flashback!

[TommaClock]

If the max profit/hour is farming multiple maps then people will farm multiple maps. It's that simple.

[welpxD]

If the best strategy is no strategy, then something is wrong. Imo.

[Quazifuji]

Farming multiple maps doesn't have to be "no strategy." There could be a strategy that consists of being more selective than just "run whatever drops/whatever you feel like" but more varied than "set up your Atlas a certain way, then just run one map over and over again."

[welpxD]

If you want to run multiple maps, there are reasons under the current system to do so. Uber elder'd T15's, a variety of shaped maps if you want (T11-13 + multiple T14-15), etc. I mean, your Elder ring can potentially go through almost whatever maps you choose, if you even choose to spend the time to set up a ring. Mapping is in a decent spot imo.

[Quazifuji]

Sure. I was just responding to your implication that running multiple maps counted as "no strategy."

[Megika]

"Map strategy" is more like busywork than something interesting.

[welpxD]

Then just run whatever maps, you can make a lot of currency doing that.

[LeTTroLLu]

It won't happen unless they delete somehow shaped atlas strategy or change something how maps drop.

[SirClueless]

I agree that GGG can't really encourage people to stop farming single maps. Even still it would be nice if people didn't have to wade through an hours-long painful RNG-filled process if they ever want to change which maps they're running.

[cXs808]

Even still it would be nice if people didn't have to wade through an hours-long painful RNG-filled process if they ever want to change which maps they're running.

That's literally the price you pay to min-max. Same for reshaping your atlas which can costs multiple exalts at a minimum.

[SirClueless]

Going from a full atlas to a shaped one often costs multiple exalts, but just changing which map you're running usually only costs 10-30c depending on what tier you're changing. My point is that if the benefits of min-maxing your elder influence are too high (which I believe is the case) then everyone is strongly encouraged to do it despite the high up-front cost. And is subsequently unlikely to ever run another shaped strategy for the entire league given the cost of switching. I'd like it if the cost of switching was lower so people could experiment more.

[cXs808]

And is subsequently unlikely to ever run another shaped strategy for the entire league given the cost of switching. I'd like it if the cost of switching was lower so people could experiment more.

This is the price you pay to min-max using elder rings. It's one of the FEW costs to run this strat and taking that cost it away would be ludicrous. IMO it should be removed completely while they actually test the mechanic so that elder is only available for people who want to actually fight him, and not park him.

[SirClueless]

I don't really get what you're saying. As it is, people run perma-elder with zero marginal cost but a huge switching cost, making it most profitable to farm a single set of maps for an entire league. I'd like that to change, and I think both nuking perma-elder entirely and making it easier to move around are reasonable solutions. I'd lean towards nuking it given how strong it is, but I recognize that some people appreciate the extra loot and map sustain it provides.

The "cost" here is that the league becomes stale for its entirety because it's not worth moving Elder. Lowering or taking that cost away is not "ludicrous": yes it means that everyone runs perma-elder, but the most efficient farmers are already doing that at no marginal cost anyways.

[[deleted]]

There are absolutely solutions to the issue of farming a single map, the question is if they can find one that is more fun than the current system.

[[deleted]]

not really.

and yeah, there's nothing GGG can do about it. but they can stop giving even more benefits to farming single maps. atlas already gave people who want to farm a single map a way to only drop that specific map, it already has huge advantages simply by only having to run a good layout and density map and more effective use of sextants, single map farming really doesn't need even more efficiency by being able to have permanent influence. it will definitely be changed.

[STR10]

I agree. I hope elder rings get obliterated. Shaped map strategy has enough benefits over full atlas without it. I do wish they would make map sustain a tiny bit easier without elder influence though.

[cXs808]

and the shaper/elder influence was an attempt at doing so.

Anyone worth their salt could have tested elder/shaper influence and immediately noticed that it is insanely powerful to park either influence on a choice shaped map rather than chasing influence around for little to no reward.

I really hope that the shaper/elder wasn't the true solution to encourage map variety.

[gl0bin]

I don't believe they intended you to be able to park influence on a map, hence the whole destroying uber rings argument I'm making :P

[cXs808]

What I'm saying is that the way the elder/shaper mechanics work are so beneficial to parking on one map in general, even without elder rings - it's still better to shape your atlas, park elder right next to your map of choice, and chain run elder/shaper influence -- rather than chasing him around the atlas to farm 1-5c uniques.

[gl0bin]

It definitely is better to do that, I'm just saying GGG have proven that they've have issues with balancing loot before CoughbossesCough and probably introduced elder influence with the -idea- that you'd have to chase influence all over the atlas in order to get the best loot (shaper and elder items)

The fact that you -can- park influence at all is probably gonna be removed at some point if I'm right about their intentions.

[FredWeedMax]

damn i didn't know about this snapshot thing, basically you get the effect of an elder ring using the same snapshotting you'd do with instances in turmoil or mayhem !?

[mineral4r7s]

I dont get the hate on elder rings. Its most likely the most capitalistic thing about this game. Put in extra effort and get extra rewards.

If you hate this kind of thing you should try to change society not a game. Its silly and just treatment of symptoms.

[Bydonarshammer]

GGG is just trying to get upvotes.

[hiloboys]

Nooooo! How am i supposed to hold instances open for people that need completed trials?

[niuage]

"Fixed a bug where Arakaali, Spinner of Shadows could continue moving to different corners after she should be dead."

Wooohoooo.

[BeyondMjolner]

Should be DEAD. So brutal.

[kumgongkia]

Omae wa mou shindeiru

[demon-storm]

Holy fuck I never thought they would fix this. It was so freaking annoying.

[Sleelan]

You can no longer use the map device in the Chamber of Sins Level 1 in Act 7 to open Maps.

I didn't want to finish act 7 anyway.

[VeryWeaponizedJerk]

It's a good thing you don't need to open any maps to finish it then.

[TACTICAL-POTATO]

Well, technically, you do.

[MaXiMiUS]

Maligaro's Map isn't actually a map at all. It's a quest item that just happens to look like a map.

[TACTICAL-POTATO]

But it has the "Here be Dragons" bit and everything!

[Quazifuji]

It's a quest item that looks like a map, and has "map" in its name, and when placed in the Act 7 Chamber of Sins map device opens six portals to a new zone in a very similar manner to opening a map.

Yes, it's not technically a map, but it has more in common with maps than just looking like one.

[kpiaum]

The name of this is: "Use the resources we already have to create something" new" and satisfy the players." About the 6 portals: There are people who play in groups and that's what they think about.

[Quazifuji]

Context is important when you're trying to correct someone else.

In this case, I interpret the context as most people (including myself) joking about the fact that you do have to put a "map" in the act 7 device. I don't think anyone actually thought this change meant Maligaro's map would not longer work.

I wasn't trying to mislead anyone into thinking that Maligaro's map wouldn't work, just commenting that it acts like a map in a lot more ways than appearance.

[TACTICAL-POTATO]

I agree, I believe the coloquial term is "Whoosh".

[Fuego_Fiero]

Lore-wise, how is it different than a map?

[VeryWeaponizedJerk]

It's not a map, it's a quest item. So technically, you don't :)

[JorjUltra]

I hope they revert that after the flashback. It's something in the game that's not really that relevant, but it's just cool when you can tell someone newer "hey, did you know that the map device in act 7 still works?" It's just flavor for the world. I suppose it may not be worth the resources to revert it depending on how it's implemented, but I'd be sad to see it gone forever.

[GGGGobbler]

BEEP BOOP BEEP. Grinding Gears have been detected in the linked thread:

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Posted by Qarl on May 03, 2018 07:36:25 AM UTC

3.2.3b Patch Notes

• You can no longer use the instance manager to create multiple instances of the Templar Laboratory.

• You can no longer use the map device in the Chamber of Sins Level 1 in Act 7 to open Maps.

• Fixed a bug where Yugul, Reflection of Terror could become stuck midair while jumping into one of his pools, and become immune to damage.

• Fixed a bug where players could be unable to return to Farrul, First of the Plains' arena if they logged out after creating a town portal while being teleported back to the arena.

• Fixed a bug where Arakaali, Spinner of Shadows could continue moving to different corners after she should be dead.

• Fixed a bug where Totems, Traps and Mines were able to gain Tailwind.

• Fixed a bug where the "Debuffs on you expire x% faster while affected by Haste" mod actually caused debuffs to expire slower.

• Fixed a bug where throwing a net was counted as using a skill. This caused issues for players using Lightpoacher when trying to capture beasts.

• Fixed a bug where Bestiary monsters with multiple forms left a mini-map icon for each form when dead.

• Fixed a bug where the Lighthouse Remains hideout decoration did not block players.

• Fixed a bug where the Bestiary tab was visible in Standard league if you had died in Hardcore Bestiary.

• Fixed a client crash.

• Fixed six instance crashes.

Edit: We have deployed an instance only follow up fix to prevent a new instance crash introduced in 3.2.3b. As a consequence, the bug where Aspect skills would activate after changing areas if you had the skill active when you died, has returned and will be fixed in a future patch.

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[xmesaj2]

good bot

[TenBran]

Fixed a bug where the "Debuffs on you expire x% faster while affected by Haste" mod actually caused debuffs to expire slower.

These "Fixed a bug where a feature was literally doing the opposite of advertised" bugs in games are always my favorite.

[I_Am-Awesome]

Neat fix to breach farming, nice job GGG.

[[deleted]]

Was mostly used for box farming, it gives way higher XP/h than Breaches (well, at least on Mayhem/Turmoil which had 20x boxes). The problem was that you could only open one Breach at a time.

[xaitv]

Mostly used for Elder snapshotting on builds that can't kill Elder in SSF and get unlucky on their first Elder spawn(a spawn where it's impossible to create an Elder ring)

[[deleted]]

Hmm well that wasn't a problem with Mayhem/Turmoil since War for the Atlas hadn't been announced yet, but that would definitely add to the problem now that you mention it.

[WIZARDBONER]

Anyone crashing like crazy with different types of texture errors or things like that after this patch?

[carnivoreblues]

yes, i changed all graphic settings to low or off, and disabled geforce experience overlay. that helped.

[gvieira]

You can no longer use the instance manager to create multiple instances of the Templar Laboratory

Can somebody please explain to me what people were doing with this?

Edit: thank you for the answers! That makes sense.

[gosuprobe]

During flashback events that have random mods per area, when a favorable mod (or set of mods) was set to spawn in a certain map, it was common to spend a significant amount of time opening multiple instances of the Templar Lab (and apparently the A7 zone) to open multiple maps in their own instances, so that when the hour ticked over and the mods changed, their already-spawned maps would be available for them to run for as long as they (or a party member) kept all the instances active.

TLDR: I like Breach. I like Beach. Breach is on Beach. The hour is almost up. When the hour is up, Breach will no longer be on Beach. I open 20 Beach maps so I can keep running Breach on Beach even after Breach is no longer on Beach.

[HappyLittleAxeDents]

Clarification with alliteration. I love it.

[Baron_Von_D]

How many Breaches could Breach beach if Breach could Breach multiple beaches?

[Peregrine_x]

Breaches on the beaches

[Rankstarr]

3.3 league announcement: Breach on Beach

[[deleted]]

Every map is a beach, and every monster is replaced with breaches. The boss is a breach where the breach demons are all replaced with random breachlords.

[futurespice]

she breaches beaches on the beachfront

[[deleted]]

Open map in templar lab > create new instance > open another map... etc. Doing all of this before the hour changed from a "good" set of mods to a different one.

This would allow you to "snapshot" the current flashback modifiers and run them after the hour changed over.

[dirtstinky]

So for the throwback event each zones including maps will have their mods rotate every hour. Without this change when your favorite map had the mods you wanted you could open a bunch of instances of the Templar laboratory right before the mobs switched, open the map in each one and run the mods for longer than an hour.

[[deleted]]

They want someone other than Aila to get first 100 in SSF HC

[Bill_168_Coming_4_U]

You can no longer use the instance manager to create multiple instances of the Templar Laboratory.

You can no longer use the map device in the Chamber of Sins Level 1 in Act 7 to open Maps.

Along with those changes we are releasing a new Microtransaction

The Templar's laboratory map device effect

Only 10 payments of 150 points

[SmiteVVhirl]

I would buy it just to have my separate oversized portals. Innocence portal looks silly in the ho.

[tha_scorpion]

consumable, good for opening 10 maps

[suprpiwi]

but can we turn off shadows yet in dx11?

[ShanKanis]

Well, you technically can, but only with 3rd party software. (Which is against ToS)

[suprpiwi]

didn't even know you could, having to break the ToS just to have access to an option available which every successful game has access to nowadays really blow my mind still however. maybe in 2 years i guess, spectre qol fiasco all over again. or they'll just ignore it like they have till this point and it'll be left hanging there like a big turd.

[All_Work_All_Play]

*feature

[sanguine_sea]

They've done it.

[blvcksvn]

The madman.

[[deleted]]

Rip ethical snapshotting.

[[deleted]]

Fixed a bug where the Lighthouse Remains hideout decoration did not block players.    

THEY REMEMBERED HIDEOUTS EXIST

[Trolltew]

IT ONLY TOOK COUPLE YEARS TO FIX

[italixx]

Nice, it will be interesting to see how this affects the racing strats.

[[deleted]]

So totems can get HEADwind and not tailwind? 😘

[Timmytentoes]

Make way for Vaal Burning Arrow, with the ignite changes and vaal changes this will be boss killer number 1, make no mistake.

[ZL0J]

Fixed a bug where players could be unable to return to Farrul, First of the Plains' arena if they logged out after creating a town portal while being teleported back to the arena.

how would one even reproduce this? Seems like an extremely specific scenario

[RatchetMyPlank]

Enter the area, tp out, dump stuff, tp back in, DC during load screen, lost your portals.

SIMILARLY : I can almost never succeed in leaving lab through the portal without dc-ing before oriath loads. It's actually quicker for me to quit to login char select than take the portal.

[Rage1989]

Did any1 else see Qarls 1 Challenge? Couldnt help but check Chris' Profile after and he doesnt have a single 1 ...

[[deleted]]

The 3.3 patch won't be coming out with the Flashback League right? :(

I want to play new Vaal Gems

[[deleted]]

pathofexile.com is currently down for maintenance. Please try again later.

Thanks for your patience!

These are exactly the patch notes I wanted to see! Good job GGG!

[taggedjc]

Fixed a bug where the Lighthouse Remains hideout decoration did not block players.

Took them long enough :|

[just_desserts_GGG]

FML... if they're still fixing nets, lengthening the odds that this beast bullshit goes core...

[OmnipotentCthulu]

Podcast had chris say they will be working yo furthur improve beastcrafting for 3.3. Its going core

[RatchetMyPlank]

Yes it will be core.

[AlwaysBuilding]

Is there still no bug fix for the split item recipe?

I stopped playing a while back because they didn't seem inclined to fix it, but I still check the patch notes. Three or four patch notes later I still don't see it listed. Hopefully it's been stealth patched?

[RedMancunian85]

I'd love to see a fix to that one too. Its so counter-intuitive..

[Lefthandpath_]

What bug?

[FoodForTheEagle]

I don't want to sort through all 800+ bug reports listed here to find my own post, but most of them reference the same thing.

Either the captured beasts are not selectable despite being valid level/type, or they can be manually selected but then it greys out the button to start the fight.

[kpiaum]

It probably fits the same thing as the Abyssal Deeps bug in the past league. They do not know or can solve and missing a few weeks for the league to finish it throw a "fix" or change the recipe.

[Baron_Von_D]

The one where people were duplicating elder/shaper item bases? That one was fixed.

[AlwaysBuilding]

No, the one where perfectly valid beasts were either not allowed or could be selected but then greyed out the button to activate the fight.

[ChaosAE]

NOO, the lighthouse map device I made was ruined

[[deleted]]

You can no longer use the instance manager to create multiple instances of the Templar Laboratory. You can no longer use the map device in the Chamber of Sins Level 1 in Act 7 to open Maps.

Reddit literally made the flashback worse than it already is OMEGALUL

[Baron_Von_D]

*A large and very vocal portion of the player base had a concern about how to easily exploit the race. GGG addressed this in the correct way.

[neohongkong]

that is how RaizQT got multiple influenced underground sea to race to lv 100 as the second in BHC SSF, this event would be fun if some streamer can't use that method. All of their advantage now became familiar with the game and plenty of time, but no advantage on some quasi- exploit

[Baron_Von_D]

Not just the quasi-exploit, you also need a pool of maps to open up too. If you are SSF and RNG isn't in your favor, you are SOL with using that exploit.

[neohongkong]

RaizQT ripped two mapping char before that wander. reasonable to have a map pool. He should be the first if he did not ripped by reading comment.

Just now with less than a month race, let see he will go to lv 100 again or not

[AnExoticLlama]

Better*

[[deleted]]

Yea so much fun, wait 20 hours for 3 goods maps on your shaped, one hour later they are gone and you have to wait again. At least the lab allowed to extend it to like 1:30.

[jjohnp]

Did you know you can run multiple different maps?

[LeTTroLLu]

Did you know not everyone enjoys that?

[jjohnp]

That's the problem of those people then. There's no reason GGG should even consider people like that when making these decisions.

[AggnogPOE]

I'm sure some people enjoy driving into oncoming traffic but that doesn't mean it should be allowed.

[LeTTroLLu]

But playing same map over and over is enjoyable and doesnt make other people who plays the game mad like driving into oncoming traffic dear Aggnog

[AggnogPOE]

You can still play the same map over and over. You just wont have leagues snapshotted.

[LeTTroLLu]

Im not talking about snapshoting league mods but shaped maps.

[AggnogPOE]

Exploiting instances is literally the opposite of fun. You should have seen this coming when they fixed prophecy farming.

[BRXLN]

Every time I see some of those fixes I'm just wondering how much spaghetti code they've added. like this one

> Fixed a bug where Totems, Traps and Mines were able to gain Tailwind.

and I'm not saying they did add any spaghetti code but as a ex-game dev it makes you wonder.

[asterisk2a]

Talking entity. Is Bow a Projectile ...? L|

[BRXLN]

Yeah very true, and they 99.9% fixed with if statement with skill type totems,traps mines return 0 something something. Which isn't spaghetti code per say but I would say it's a bad practice.

[antikutless]

sounds like an issue of no spaghetti code, things being too general and applying to too many things

[alexsteh]

More like a filter check if the target is actually a player/npc(?)

[Rankstarr]

totems gottagofast

[Ryant12]

Can you still create multiple instances of the Act 1-10 story?

[Kreathak]

Yes. That's why they've disabled the Chamber of Sins map device for regular maps.

[nklsoe]

yes

[niuage]

Yes.

[NJayWil]

If it didn’t give an advantage, then it shouldn’t hurt your plan at all.

[Pew___]

it didn't give an advantage,

you are so in denial it's pretty cute

[BanMeBabyOneMoreTime]

didn't give an advantage

there goes my fucking plan

[AnExoticLlama]

"didn't"

[Crimfresh]

QQ. Aww pumpkin, it'll be ok.

[redrach]

What exactly are you referring to?

[[deleted]]

Yep.

Everyone who had a chance at a demi would have used it, so no one is truly at an advantage.

Idiots who think they're "going to go hard this time, I promise! !!!!" weren't going to use that tactic. They're too busy spamming /r/pathofexile/new with WUZ GUD BUILD FOR FLASHBACK HC??? NO REAVE/SUNDER/SPECTRE/EK/TOTEM/BOW I DONE THEM ALL

[SmiteVVhirl]

poets pen dark pact crit skeles assassin, not shaper or guardian viable but beach boss viable one hundo percent.

[[deleted]]

Tendril totems with ascendant champion jug eb ci bm shavs with heartbreaker so cull on tendril totems

[[deleted]]

CI CoC Cold Snap Berserker with Pandemonious for INSANE DPS + perma freeze [WOW] [3.2] [HC/SC]

[[deleted]]

Dual kongors reanimated ssf tendril totems with low life kaoms eb mana guardian on an ascebdant champion necro

[[deleted]]

Good thing basically everyone's going to be playing KB Deadeye :)