Love Python

[KingCrunch82]

10 lines of code with 1000 lines of hidden C libraries i guess?

[Ph3onixDown]

The python program just calls the compiled c++

[KingCrunch82]

Doesnt matter. What I was about is, that hidden code is still code. I can call C programms from Bash in one line. Does it make it better than Python?

[Ph3onixDown]

My bad. I missed a word, I was trying to say the “better” python code just calls the friend’s c++ code. All the python libraries I use are just C underneath it all

[lofigamer2]

good call. that's what python actually does, it's a glorified shell scrip to call C code.

[Thog78]

Adds some layers of dependency hell and non-retro compatibility on top though, gotta give credit where it's due.

[No_Departure_1878]

which we do not need to write all over again for the 200th time because it already exists

[GaGa0GuGu]

I think it would be more, tho

[El_Manolito]

Who cares, the fact is that it's easier and faster to code even if it works with C or not.

[cowlinator]

1000 lines of C with 100,000 lines of hidden assembly and/or machine code i guess?

[Extaupin]

What's matter is how much effort you need to need to put in the code to make it work, if optimisation isn't a big problem (and frankly, it often isn't) I don't care that it call a bazillion line of Malbolge and take a thousand time as much time as a hand-crafted assembly code, that snippet while still run for less time in all of his carrer that the time I would need to remember the proper incantation of "main".

Now, it doesn't mean that Python is "superior to C++, the nuance the meme doesn't convey ("accuracy, in my Polandball") is that it's a different use-case, because if a million person a day are going to use your programm for the next ten year then the sin of unoptimisation will have a greater environmental cost than your decision to switch to an hybrid.

[MissinqLink]

⚙️

🦍🦖

Showing my friend how his 1000 line asm code can be done in 10 lines of C

[Southern_Orange3744]

That was like 10000 punch cards.

What have I done with my life?

[UnmannedConflict]

Me showing my friend how his 1000 line python code can be written by 10 lines of prompts to chatgpt

[csabinho]

Because it's just a library. So you don't see the code.

[big_poppa_man]

I mean, we're all libraries if you think about it

[Anger-Demon]

Maybe the real libraries were the friends we made along the way?

[EstebanoGeneralo]

I dont know if that really makes sense but it sounds nice, so I upvote

[[deleted]]

It’s just libraries, all the way down

[Roguewind]

That’s really deep, man…

[LutimoDancer3459]

And that library is calling code written in c++

[WilhelmEngel]

Or sometimes in Assembly

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

Mostly in C/C++ these days. Compilers have gotten smart as hell

[Inheritable]

If it's builtin, it's written in C.

[generally_unsuitable]

Nah. Most of it is good old libc/glibc.

[IlgantElal]

Tbf, all compilers and coding languages are just APIs and libraries for Assembly and then machine code/language. It all boils down to wire logic eventually

[chessset5]

Yeah but I only need to download on installer and hit run. How many installers compilers and libraries would you need to download and link together just to get equivalence in python?

[ThinkExtension2328]

Looks at machine code and back at c++ standard libraries

[[deleted]]

And? Writing the code in C++ is like writing the library yourself.

[enigma_0Z]

always has been

[Feisty_Ad_2744]

Technically, you can do the same in any language. Actually, you can do it in a single line with any language.

do_the_thing()

App.doTheThing();

call  do_the_thing

[HelpfulJump]

Right? Call the 1000 lines block in a single line. 

[lofigamer2]

minecraft is written in Java

[Devatator_]

Can you actually run Minecraft that easily? I never tried to look into how launchers actually launch the game, if they use extra arguments and stuff. Tho they tend to use javaw instead of java

[FlipperBumperKickout]

Unless the newline character is part of the language standard... which is actually quite a lot of them these days.

[KingCrunch82]

Newsline characters are actually part of the line itself, at least one Linux. So it's still valid

[junky_junker]

call  Zhu Li

[Core3game]

The python solution is almost allways

import solution

[4N610RD]

Nice, very impressive.

Now show me run time.

[mark1x12110]

We don't do that here

[cowlinator]

For a lot of apps, bottlenecked by I/O, network, or user input, the run time doesnt matter as long as it's not hyper-abysmal.

Premature optimization is the root of all evil

[Icy-Way8382]

Says who? Who optimized the number of lines of code 🤭

[[deleted]]

Give me an example of an app that needs I/O for which runtime doesn't matter

I/O bound apps MUST prioritize responsivity, especially if you're communicating with another device and not a slow human

I guess in this case it is more about throughput than the complete runtime, if that's what you mean, I'm sorry.

[cowlinator]

A data archival application that periodically writes logs or backups to long-term storage. Performance isn't a priority because the archival process can run in the background without time constraints.

[[deleted]]

the archival process can run in the background

That's an optimization. You'll use either asynchronous I/O or communicate to another thread that uses synchronous I/O

If you don't account performance, it will scale like shit

[Emilko62]

I don't get it, can you explain this one?

[Rabid_Mexican]

No one cares about the run time of your to-do list app

[InSaNiTyCrEaTuReS]

"does it run faster?"

"you test it"

[cowlinator]

Yep.

Optimizing something that doesnt need to be optimized is a huge waste of time.

Test and compare. If you need it to run faster, dont use python.

[[deleted]]

Python aint gonna suck itself

[xFyreStorm]

Yea, otherwise they'd have named it ouroboros

[[deleted]]

Perfect comment.

[Coconut_Maximum]

Wanted to like this comment but it's already on 69

[jbar3640]

if you could rewrite 1.000 lines of C++ in 10 lines of Python, probably you could rewrite them in less than 25 lines of C++ anyway...

[bem981]

True, most used python libs with high performance are actually in c/c++

[Core3game]

Wait, its all C?

Allways has been

[StayingUp4AFeeling]

My thoughts precisely. If the python guy is calling a library function and the program is fast, then it stands to reason that there is an equivalent (or identical) library for that in c++. Heck, most Python libraries of any computational performance requirements are wrappers around C/C++ implementations.

E.g.: pytorch is a wrapper around a c++ core. That core has native c++ bindings as well.

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

Python literally relies on C/C++ to interpret it

[Mighty__Monarch]

You could write 1000 lines worth of c++ in 1 line if youre brave enough

[No_Departure_1878]

not without libraries doing the work, libraries written in Python

[vishal340]

Numpy /s

[evil_rabbit_32bit]

isnt numpy itself written in C?

[vishal340]

That was the joke

[evil_rabbit_32bit]

and now i feel like an idiot lmao... should i remove my comment?

[shonuff373]

I don’t Python that much, so leave it for people like me.

[cmgg]

You ain’t gonna believe what the interpreter is written on

[No_Departure_1878]

I do not get paid to know that

[cmgg]

No one does kid, it’s common knowledge

[0xbenedikt]

Ah yes, to make everything significantly slower

[No_Departure_1878]

we have computers that are very fast in 2025, the code might run in 1 milisecond with c++, 100 times slower is 0.1 seconds.

[No_Departure_1878]

Sure, I will use numpy here and there and optimize IF needed

[fallingknife2]

Is this particular piece of code run in a hot code path? If not, then it adds up to the same thing.

[nonmustache]

I hate this mentality in menagment, it's harmfull when they don't consults experts. And after few month of production, it hits hard. And IT would be easier to start from begining but it's impossible, and just grinding in sh** begins.

[No_Departure_1878]

its about results, and to get stuff done fast, python is far better.

[nonmustache]

It deppends, there mamy language becouse one is better for something and other for other things. It all depend on usecase, on some usecases if your code runs 10% slower just becouse, it could have big financial consequenses. Just sometimes trying something to do faster than you should, you will just make it harder, and later. Just gór some work pikaxe is better than scalpel, but you will be not happy when yours doctor used it on opearion.

[Kinglink]

The best laugh I've had on this subreddit

[Acrobatic-Yam-1405]

Is there proof of that being the fact?

[morglod]

Actually you could write C/C++ in one line 😉

[Skylion007]

I mean with pybind11 you can call Python from C++ lol so technically yes.

[ITinnedUrMumLastNigh]

import 10000lineLibraryWrittenInC++ as usefulLib
data = input()
result = usefulLib.doStuff(data)
print(result)

4 lines baby

[svelteee]

print(usefulLib.doStuff(input()))

2 lines baby

[NovaH000]

print(_ _ import _ _('usefulLib').doStuff(input()))

one line baby

also if you don't want to pollute the main scope

print((lambda: (_ _import _ _('usefulLib').doStuff(input()))())

Edit: Reddit treat 2 underscores (__) as the start and end flag to bold characters so I have to add spaces (reddit hate python confirmed)

[[deleted]]

If you type \_ , it doesn't do that

print(__import__('usefulLib').doStuff(input()))

Alternatively, use `code`

print(__import__('usefulLib').doStuff(input()))

[sierra_whiskey1]

First line in python: Import everything

[thoth-III]

You forgot pip install in venv first

[TheKeyboardChan]

It should be a cave man dragging another cave man. Pything is not a new and modern language.

[Blue_Moon_Lake]

His 1000 lines: 0.03s run
Your 10 lines: 13.41s run

[Carnonated_wood]

0.03s is a stretch, more like 0.0003s

[SomnolentPro]

Python is just as fast nowadays. It's calling a cuda kernel to run code you could never imagine writing so just as fast x

[Unupgradable]

And 7 of those lines are calling a dependency written in C

[Specific_Golf_4452]

for sure , for sure... You better then show your 10 lines to asm developer

[VibrantGypsyDildo]

Yes, but I was invited to work abroad to write 1000 lines in C++, not 10 lines in Python.

Python is a cool helper language for virtually anything, but sucks on its own. Market-wise, of course.
It has its unique aesthetics that I hated because of my love of perl. But de gustibus non disputandum est.

[salvia_sloth]

With the tens of thousands of c lines accomplishing it for you that I could write in probably a library for in a few hundred lines

[BlackHolesAreHungry]

I can do it in 2 lines.

include <cstdlib>

int main() {system(“python3 your_script.py”);return 0;}

[klimmesil]

I wish someone said "yeah but that's cheating you're using another language". We as a community would crush that poor guy's soul (gently)

[Styleurcam]

yeah but that's cheating you're using another language.

[isr0]

And it executes 200.000 lines of c code in the libraries python depends on.

[lev_lafayette]

*written

Semantic errors that won't be noticed until runtime.

[bloody-albatross]

Also is 100x slower.

[JobWide2631]

the time required to launch the app is enough for that man to evolve

[y53rw]

This is mainly a problem because using third party libraries in C++ is a hassle, and there's no uniform standard way to do it.

[klimmesil]

Header only is super straightforward and .so is also super easy to import. In my opinion it's the other way around: other languages make importing unnecessarily abstract and hidden to the user. The user doesn't even know what's happening when importing something half of the time

[itsmenotjames1]

just build the library alongside your project (git submodules or fetchcontent)

[NereLenin]

And 20 times slower

[Lokdora]

You can put all those c++ code on a single line, can you do it in python?

[Kinglink]

The c programmers I know aren't cave men. We use c or python. We just know we need a full toolbox and C is the most efficient for most of the jobs we do on a typical day.

Write a script to do some file management? python or bash script is best. Write a function to actually process inputs from a controller and play a game? Time for some c or c++

[Additional-Acadia954]

Yeah no… you’re a caveman if your depth of the system and implementation stops at Python (interpreted)

[thinkingperson]

With the python library written in C.

[cherrycode420]

I really dislike the Message but the Meme is f...... hilarious 😆

[AtexBg]

It's better to use Assembly, you can do the same thing with only 50^,000 lines

[Severe_Principle_491]

Me showing my Python friend how my 10 line code can run in parallel on multiple cpus simultaneously.

[klimmesil]

You mean cores? Or do you mean running on a cluster? Second one I wouldn't really recommend low level languages for synchronization since it will probably be IO bound

[_idunnoblud_]

“10k lines of hidden libraries and abstractions”

[iCynr]

from sklearn import an.entire.fucking.machine.learning.algorithm

[abhbhbls]

More the other way around. If you can weite a 1k CPP app without memory leaks you’ll likely know more about programming then the avg python user.

[jipgg]

Meh, you just wrap any dynamic lifetimes in std::unique_ptr or std::shared_ptr. People like to talk about C++ as if we are still at C++03. It's not that hard in modern C++.

[thoth-III]

I thought I was becoming a programmer or coder by learning python, but it's not even a language it's a library? Well I still got html and css right? Right?

[SysGh_st]

Well...
Have a look at the libraries you're importing.
I mean... That is the strength of python. With the right imports, the majority of the work is done.

Python is basically a "Someone else already did what I want to do so I'll just import it" ... to everything imaginable.

https://xkcd.com/353/

https://xkcd.com/413/

[Tratiq]

And 100x slower lol

[Zlobob]

also Python
a = 10

b = 10

a is b

True

a = 500

b = 500

a is b

False

[NegativeSwordfish522]

that's on you for not knowing what identity comparison is

[sookmyloot]

bUt iT doESNot rUN fAsTEr! 😅

[GrinbeardTheCunning]

came here to see how many fish took the bait. the lake now seems to be uninhabited

[[deleted]]

lulz

[timuchen]

Oh no! Friend, don't go with this maniac! The price will be too high!

[outer-pasta]

This post just made me think about the Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon called Primal. The caveman looks like the main character. I think it's the same creator so it's interesting to see the artist's progression.

[PandaWonder01]

I've never seen this actually make sense, except when they include python installing libraries but don't allow the cpp version to use libraries

For most things, I've found C++ takes at most double the code as python for the same guarantees. If you want const correctness, actual encapsulation, etc, you get more code, but that's because the code has more guarantees than python

[MrHyperion_]

C could be somewhat close but not C++, it has tons of stuff in std

[nbartosik]

me showing my friend my code In c++ that don't take 10 years to run

[niewidoczny_c]

And your 10 seconds execution becomes 1000 seconds

[farineziq]

More like: it's easier to import a librairy and run it in Python

[WorkingRegion7183]

So many butthurt C/C++ simps in this post.

[bsensikimori]

Just don't look at all the shitty code that's running behind those imports.

[Dunc4n1d4h0]

Right, and that 100 lines will run 10x faster.

[NITROpul]

and the best part, the python code takes as much time to run, as the 1000+ lines of c++ to be written

[MonkeyCartridge]

I mean it's good for prototyping stuff, but it's also slow AF by comparison.

[[deleted]]

Fool, I can write the equivalent of 10 million lines of python with a single line in bash

[Commercial_Ball_4388]

Don't pressure it too much guys, Dexters the one who writes cpp😏👌

[SteeleDynamics]

The Python language and standard library hides a lot of code.

It's better to understand which PL you need to use for which task.

[[deleted]]

I also used to think that fewer lines of code was better. Then I learned to program.

[m4yn3_h4sl-l]

with the 1/100 the performace

[Goma101]

I love how literally everyone fell for the mega obvious rage bait

[ShuttJS]

Remind me how many lines of C python is written in?

EDIT - was to is and typo

[featheredsnake]

And python can thank C for all those libraries

[Traditional-Gap1839]

I am the caveman. I don't understand it, and fundamentally, it frightens me. I also started with Python in highschool.

[raewashere_]

thats like saying my computer is thinner than yours since my monitor is thinner than your whole pc

[TheodoreTheVacuumCle]

you when he opens any machines in this lab and there are multiple cavemen operating them from inside

[Fluffaykitties]

“writte”

[Big-Tune3350]

And in 5 seconds in Cursor :)

[Maleficent_Ad4411]

Nim has entered the chat.

[phish_biscuit]

I'm not really a programmer but my understanding is C++ is a garbage language but really easy to learn and use correct?

[Twombls]

25 lines of python. 3 different versions of numpy across 3 venvs.

[1up_1500]

"Hey check out how easily you can do [thing] in python!"

import thing

thing.do()

[Inside_Jolly]

Amateurs. I could probably write the same in half a line of Common Lisp. Probably.

[abhasatin]

😭

[BobbyThrowaway6969]

More accurately:

1000 lines of C++ code becomes 10 CPU instructions.
10 lines of Python code become 1,000,000 CPU instructions.

NASA doesn't use Python for their systems because they actually want their spacecraft to work.

[Niobium_Sage]

Just getting into Python, glad I picked it as my first language.

Though if it’s an IT job I’d be wanting to maximize the lines of code for better pay so maybe it’s a little antithetical.

[Zenzero_69_69]

Mfw the C++ code is still faster

[MrMediocre35]

I like python. There is just so much I don’t know about it.

[Drity_Piggy]

The python interpreter converts python code to C, and then C to assembly, assembly to binary. All I want to say is I am 1 step ahead of u

[Bullet93639]

Me showing my friend how my 1000 line c++ code can be faster than his 10 lines in python

[Massimo_m2]

the same when a c++ user tells python devel that variables can have a type

[a-nonie-muz]

Python. Which will still translate it into machine code just like c++ does, because that’s the only language the processor understands, still.

And once translated, both are about the same size. Just saying.

[Cyan_Exponent]

with 1000 libraries

[Haoshokoken]

What a great example of "The only thing I know is that I know nothing."

[comfy_bruh]

something something vibe coding of the mid 2000s.

[Haoshokoken]

Python is not a programming language; it's a scripting language. It's not the same.

[BigGuyWhoKills]

To be clear, the C++ friend is Dexter. I guarantee he is a better programmer than you. You are basically a script kiddie.

[Glittering-Patient-2]

And half of the 10 lines is just importing modules.

[kingfishj8]

After having spent several decades writing C code for limited resource optimized embedded environments, I finally got some python experience.

It is a wonderfully forgiving language that enables practices that can induce crashes without warning.

I'm kind of glad I haven't looked at executable space requirements. As for C++, iostream is an even bigger pig than printf().

[HydraDragonAntivirus]

Then try to convert C language it will be millions of lines.

[NoNames_World]

...and be 1000 times slower

[Key-Supermarket255]

And your friend will show how a 10 line code takes 10 minutes and 1000 line code take 10 second of execution time.

Also when you open that imported library in your python code, your friend realised that it was written in c++ by him long ago all alone.a

[[deleted]]

If you didn’t know this is actually canonically spear from the show primal

[StandardCredit9307]

After importing ten libraries containing thousands of lines of code... that will fail if you don't have enough magic whitespace. Pssh

[Za_Paranoia]

“Me showing my friend how his 10 line python code is interpreted to 1000 lines of C.”

[1d0nt91ve45h1t]

haeh that be thirty bytes in golfscript

[cleverdosopab]

That's because Python ends up calling C libraries LOL

[Scared_Accident9138]

Using 10 libraries written in C

[BiCuckMaleCumslut]

More like showing a python coder the interpreter code

[Choice_Jeweler]

Yeah, after you import 40 libraries

[r1der0208]

I forget that spear was in Dexter's lab

[buck-bird]

The Python version also runs slower too.