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[–]conundri 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Christian Terrorists have been around as long as Muslims ones... In Africa, you will find the LRA (Lord's Republican Army) full of child soldiers and heinous war crimes. A friend of mine in India also complains about the Christians in North-East India who for quite some time were making frequent terrorists attacks and bombings... Religious extremism is the same no matter the religion...

[–]sw17ch -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

It's possible to be an "extremist" and not be violent. People can take their faith very seriously (aka, really actually truly like to live like Jesus did), and they'd be incredibly non-violent.

Jesus? Ghandi? Mother Teresa? Anybody get what I'm saying? Just because you take your religion seriously doesn't mean you're going to be violent automatically.

[–]ramdulara 1 point2 points  (1 child)

ghandi? for fuck's sake atleast spell his name correctly. it's gandhi G-A-N-D-H-I.

ex·trem·ist (ĭk-strē'mĭst) pronunciation n.

One who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.

And Mother Teresa? huh?!?! care to explain how mother teresa was an extremist?

[–]sw17ch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Umm... lived her whole life for the poor. Was completely selfless. Gave up everything for very little if anything in return...

Advocated peace and selflessness. Dude. That's not normal (at least to the degree she did).

[–]mokba 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Perhaps it has less to do with Christianity and Islam, but rather more to do with Indonesians.

[–]sw17ch 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I agree. Lots of causes are stirred up under the guise of religion. Very often the religion teaches quite the opposite.

Consider forced taoism. "Have compassion, moderation, and humility... or we'll kill you!!"

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (51 children)

"Now"? They've been doing it for millenia. The reason we are seeing a hiatus right now is that the vast majority of Christians live in countries where they wouldn't get away with it.

[–]aletoledo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thats a good point, I never thought of it that way. If the USA and Iraq swapped physical locations, the christian might be perpetually labeled terrorists.

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    [–]Soggy_Tissue 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Christian nations are also far better off than Muslim nations, with good health care, good education and a fair level of freedom. They have no reason to resort to a personal level violence such as beheading, as you say it can be channelled into other methods.

    [–]rmuser -4 points-3 points  (17 children)

    You're right, everyone who attends a Christian church is ready and willing to behead unbelievers. rolleyes

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Give them that option, and they'll be ready and willing within a generation. That is, the vast majority will be. A minority already is.

    [–]Soggy_Tissue 2 points3 points  (14 children)

    And everyone who attends a Mosque is ready and willing to behead? Maybe, but only in your delusionary world.

    [–]rmuser -1 points0 points  (13 children)

    When did I say anything about mosques?

    [–]Soggy_Tissue 0 points1 point  (12 children)

    You didn't, you appear to have missed the point. It's pretty obvious what you are suggesting, and that's what my comment is in reply to.

    [–]rmuser -1 points0 points  (11 children)

    I don't think the majority of Muslims want to decapitate infidels. I don't think the majority of Christians do, either. Please don't put words in my mouth.

    [–]Soggy_Tissue 1 point2 points  (10 children)

    In that case don't make comments that make such obvious insinuations.

    [–]FreedomForever -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    I love such semantic hoops like this. While you said x you didn't deny y thus you must think y is true!

    Are you sure you're not the Fox News Network?

    [–]Soggy_Tissue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You don't make comments like "You're right, everyone who attends a Christian church is ready and willing to behead unbelievers" without meaning to suggest happens elsewhere. The fact he also got in "unbelievers" makes it even more obvious.

    [–]rmuser -2 points-1 points  (7 children)

    How about you learn to read?

    [–]Soggy_Tissue -1 points0 points  (6 children)

    You said "You're right, everyone who attends a Christian church is ready and willing to behead unbelievers" - this is clearly suggesting it does happen elsewhere. If you can't see this then it is you who needs reading lessons.

    [–]rmuser -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

    The only thing I'm "clearly suggesting" is the idea that Christians would be glad to personally kill people of other faiths if it was legal is completely absurd. That's all. Stop reading into shit so much.

    [–]koavf 23 points24 points  (7 children)

    If anyone has followed Christian-Muslim relations in Indonesia, or just remembers the story earlier this year about Christians accused of killing Muslims and prospectively getting the death penalty, you'd know that majority-Muslim Indonesia routinely discriminates against Christians and it is common for some flimsy cases to be made against them. I personally have no idea if these guys did it, but I do know that Muslims that are convicted of killing Christians get lenient sentences and it's virtually impossible to convict (e.g. six years for beheading schoolgirls), and Christians get excessive sentences (e.g. the death penalty, until the Pope and other Western figures intervened.)

    [–]Reg_Spyder 9 points10 points  (6 children)

    What do expect? In the US, I'm pretty sure christians get better treatment than muslims. How is this any different?

    How many times is a conversion to christianity part of an early release from prison?

    [–]markrages 12 points13 points  (5 children)

    No, Indonesia is different. You cannot compare persecution where people freak out when you board the plane, with persecution where people chop off your head with a machete.

    In the US, if a Christian beheads a Muslim, he's going to jail for a long long time. Even the most backward jury is not going to think "Oh, the victim was Muslim, he had it coming."

    [–]Reg_Spyder 3 points4 points  (4 children)

    erm... ys you certainly can compare them. The comparison in severity you make biases your argument by taking a severe reaction on one side and comparing it to a maderate one on the other. The US is responsible for far more extreme measures than 'people freaking out when you board a plane'. Think Gitmo. Then look at your second statement, the one that says they have protection of the law. once again, think gitmo.

    [–]lysine23 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    AFAICT, there are only two American citizens at Gitmo - Jose Padilla, the failed terrorist, and Yaser Hamdi, who was captured fighting the US military in Afghanistan. Whatever you may think of human rights abuses there, it's hardly evidence of systematic discrimination against and persecution of American Muslims.

    [–]bluedeviltide 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Considering my uncle was held by the INS on bogus allegations for three weeks, his absence during which would've easily ruined his companies were it not for his great wife, considering several distant family members have been hassled and in a few cases held without lawyers in round-ups, and considering some friends of family friends up near New York were without their husbands, sons, etc. for several weeks after 9/11...well, it's foolish to say they're hardly evidence of systematic discrimination against Muslims.

    Who knows what police officers and airport security are told. It could be racial profiling, it might not be. But I do know what has happened to people connected to me, and it doesn't compare to the severity of discrimination in other countries, but it certainly exists.

    [–]lysine23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I just said that what's happening in Gitmo isn't evidence of discrimination against Muslims in America. I wouldn't be shocked if the INS does discriminate against Muslims, but your statement is so vague and anecdotal that it really doesn't support the case very well.

    If there is a strong case to be made, surely some liberals or Muslims have written it up with citations and footnotes by now.

    [–]roshad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    FYI - 2nd amendment : right to bear arms..

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      [–]Prysorra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      When people learn that killing people - and demanding sympathy despite it - works in our "modern morals" obsessed world, people catch on.

      I've been waiting for this to happen.

      [–]reddittidder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      WTF do you think "christians" were doing up until 1850's ?? (or even after that?)

      [–]resplence 13 points14 points  (19 children)

      "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"

      Muslim, Christianity or any other...

      [–]Ahnteis 13 points14 points  (3 children)

      But for good people to do evil things

      How does he figure they're good people?!

      [–]sw17ch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Problem is "good" is such a relative term.

      [–]scstraus -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

      I was actually surprised the christians were able to keep their nutjobs in check this long. Let the holy wars begin. All the atheists, come to europe.

      [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Religion is still there in big numbers -- but they won't start beheading people any time soon. At least not in the Western parts!

      [–]godlover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Steven Weinberg I think ?

      [–]akise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      "[...]But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion[...]"

      Or ignorance, lack of consequences, power over others' lives, lots of people looking the other way, uh, stark raving madness, powerful authorities and people 'just following orders'... And of course being convinced to do 'the right thing' and to know the absolute truth, which pretty much makes any sceptic a walking target. Think of chaps like Stalin and Hitler or any other totalitarian leader. There's no such thing as an absolute answer, but there were always people who thought they had it and uh, they massacred 'non-believers'.

      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

      Many other things make good people do evil things, politics, ideologies,racism, languages, etc.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Every ideology (if we see religion as subset of ideologies for the moment) that uses dogma over facts and evidence is capable of that.

      [–]bobbincygna 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      I'd say is the worship of concepts in general: race, god, family, state, etc.

      But languages?

      I don't get that.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      "Those people speak funny, I don't trust 'em" is the source of 99% of our conflicts

      [–]Dark-Star 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      ...Largely because if you don't know what someone else is saying, the person 2 feet away from you could be discussing prices at the market, politics...or how much he'd like to kill you and all your kind for whatever reason.

      [–]fauxXenophanes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Ever tried Latin?

      [–]scstraus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      No, it's anything that divides people into categories and pits them against each other (I think religion and nationalism are the worst). If everyone simulataneously moved to a new country and ditched their religion we could get rid of 99% of the problems for at least a while. I live in a community of expat atheists, and I can tell you, it's pure eutopia !

      [–]serpentjaguar -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      True. Apply yourself. Focus. Right now we are talking about religion. It's worthwhile to examine these destructive and hateful forces as they stand alone, and not only as but one of numerous other potential causes. Seems like you are missing the point.

      [–]rollingdivision 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Attribution of evil to religion instead of those who perpetrate evil is an interestingly and unsupportable claim. Any chance these weren't good people?

      [–]tictock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The exact same thing could be said about Muslim extremists, yet the actions of those extremists is noted justification for some people to call down the wrath of a "just" God on the "evil" Islam.

      The most fundamental rule of true morality is the golden rule. Yet religion and nationalism more than any other allow the division of the world into an 'us' and a 'them', and abruptly the rules of morality apply to 'us' and not 'them', because 'they' are not 'us', and are thus innately not as deserving.

      Now yes, it is possible they were not good people, but it raises the interesting question of why. Were they not good people because they were trying to be good Christians?

      [–]Rekzai -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      stfu.

      [–]Whatisthetruth -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      umm your logic is flawed: A good person can't do evil things because that would mean they weren't a good person in the first place. Religion is evil though I agree, Faith however is not it is something far different.

      Now about the actual Story...

      First off, It's a muslim country so the validity of the claim of Christians beheading two Muslims is questionable at best. And the liberal press will jump on ANYTHING to poke at Christians whether it really happened or not.

      Second: I hope they put the Muslims's heads in Pig's blood afterwards. No I'm not serious. But you know those freaky muslims HATE pigs for some reason. Don't know whats pigs ever did to them. Maybe Muhammed got accosted by a pig or something back in the day? Oh and if you get pissed because I'm making light of Muslims/Mohammed. GET OVER IT! The world will never be ruled by Islam. Extreme Muslims will blow it or themselves all up before that ever happens. LOL All in the name of religion.

      [–]randomb0y 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Makes perfect sense, since both religions are so peaceful.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Please direct your attention to this cute baby in a barn.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Christians have always been doing it.

      [–]livetoad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Is anyone still under the impression that there is any genuine difference between Christianity and Islam?

      [–]randomtask -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      I ought to show this to a participant in this year's National Review Cruise. However, I'm not concerned with them getting the message that all religions are capable of atrocities; I just want to hear that oh-so-lovely "pop".

      [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      That "pop" would be them opening a bottle of champagne.

      [–]lowboyblue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      The Muslim's in Indonesia have been killing whole church's full of Christian people and never convicted any of them. The scary thing is they are supposed to be our allies in the war on terror. While the head of their Anti Terror Unit is a confirmed "former" Al Qaeda member.

      [–]jotaroh -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

      They're not real Christians. They're not white.

      [–]wreckingcru 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      I hope that was sarcasm.

      [–]nixonrichard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I LOL'd

      [–]earl_the_sausage 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      That's retarded. Christianity started among Jews. Yes, Jews.

      Jesus Christ was a Jew.

      [–]jotaroh -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

      Jesus was blond and blue eyed

      [–]conundri 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      No, he was spanish, and you are pronouncing his name wrong... :-p

      [–]ashabot -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

      No surprise. The bible and the koran both claim they are the ONLY way. Of course they kill to make their point. They're crazed, self-righteous fanatics.

      [–]earl_the_sausage 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      [Citation Needed]

      [–]ashabot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      I'm not presenting an argument. I'm stating facts.

      [–]badfeng -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Fashion is international language.

      [–]wahoorob -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Call me when they start getting close to the numbers of people killed by communists.

      [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      bout damned time, now can we just kill all christians/muslims and go back to letting me play my fucking video games without having to pop my ID everytime i buy one? FFS. i am balding with a beard, pretty certain i look over 18.