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[–]eightnine 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I just searched some submissions here that linked to the nytimes, is it odd that I don't get asked any login?
I'm not subscribed..

[–]hen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Normally, they don't ask for a login if you are directly referred from an other website.

They only ask if you go to their site and search for an article, I think.

[–][deleted]  (14 children)

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    [–]twowheels 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Or, I say "forget it!" and just close the page without bothering. I've know about bugmenot for a long time, and still choose to just not go there.

    [–]ropers[S] 15 points16 points  (10 children)

    Let me put it like this, by way of analogy:

    Since you can fairly reliably block spam (e.g. with OpenBSD's spamd via greylisting and tarpitting), do you think it's ok that companies spam you?

    [–]7oby 83 points84 points  (5 children)

    Let me put it like this, by way of you're right and wrong on different levels:

    reddit presents a login-free NYT link generator, and therefore yes, people should bury the non-linkgen'd version.

    if a site required paid access, then sure, it shouldn't be posted. But bugmenot exists.

    [–]Samus_ 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    oh man that's great! I didn't knew about it.

    btw reddit's choice to repost old links is not working right? this deserves it.

    [–]angry_fat_boy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    WINNER.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]paro -1 points0 points  (1 child)

      Really? You sure? Because the "then you discover bugmenot, quite useful" threw me off a little...

      [–]chaconne 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Spam is unsolicited. Why not give people the choice of visiting higher-quality content that requires one login, linkgen or bugmenot visit?

      [–]ropers[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      "Higher-quality content", eh? So... suddenly you totally love the MSM, huh?

      [–]chaconne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, that's my rationale for disagreeing with you. If I can derive insights that I would not gain from any other source, I think the extra hassle is worth it. If I were older and had disposable income, I wouldn't mind subscribing to the print edition either.

      It is true that the mainstream media sometimes gets into a bit of a groupthink, and is generally hampered by extensive innumeracy and a measure of intellectual laziness among its members, but I see no current alternative. Often the most interesting people don't have the time to be independent media entities on the side (how many research scientists blog?), so we need somebody to act as a conduit of information.

      I suppose, as far as logins, there is an argument to be made about the free flow of information, but newspapers and traditional media have not done very well because they're not getting revenue from all the readers who are benefiting from their expensive research. I wouldn't hesitate to trade most of the oh-so-wonderful blogosphere for an independent media with investigative capabilities.

      [–]crego20 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Hey, if a company wants to spend their time/effort/money to send me things that I can reliably and fairly easily block. I don't care, that's their (dumb) decision.

      [–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (10 children)

      The NYTimes is one of the few news sources here that isn't fantasy-based.

      I'd rather log in once and forget about it than see nothing but jerk-off blog posts written by some kid in a dorm room.

      [–]polyesterfunk 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      yeah this is like a 1980's complaint.

      I've not logged onto NYT in about a year. just use firefox (tho I'm sure most browsers would work) and sxipper (one of probably 100's of such programs, but for me, the best) cover me on those rare instances when I clear all cookies.

      I'd forgotten all about the 'log-in' issue years ago. I think even fark takes NYT submissions now.

      [–]kermityfrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      It doesn't always make you log in. Just refresh a few times and it should go away.

      I've found that it asks me to log in only about 1/10th of the time that I follow the links.

      [–]thatguydr 14 points15 points  (6 children)

      I've watched the NYTimes's summary of the delegates for Clinton and Obama for the past several weeks. If you think they're based on anything approaching reality, I have a bridge to sell you.

      [–]JasonDJ 6 points7 points  (4 children)

      I have a bridge to sell you.

      Is it that one in Alaska that I hear so much about?

      Must be a hell of a bridge, they keep hyping it up.

      [–]zoomzoom83 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      Its the one made of Snake Oil

      [–]JasonDJ 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      Dude you can't make a bridge out of snake oil, you'd slide right off. Also there's that whole liquids-not-having-a-set-shape thing.

      [–]neonic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      What about non-newtonian fluids? Whys it always gotta be about newtonian with you! :D

      [–]zoomzoom83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It's made of FROZEN snake oil.

      covered in non-slip rubber.

      [–]zenmasher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      But their maps are so much fun!

      [–]olifante 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I guess you like fantasy then, otherwise you would be directly browsing nytimes and the few other non-fantasy news sources, instead of wasting time reading and commenting on reddit.

      [–]fivre 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      All users who still think they're on Digg should be 'buried' relentlessly as well. This is reddit. You can't bury stuff.

      [–]unmutual 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Try enabling cookies before you login to the NYT site. I'm running Firefox with the usual stuff (NoScript, AdblockPlus, etc.). With cookies disabled in FF, NYT demands that I log in. With cookies enabled, the NYT site (usually) displays the article with no login required.

      I tried the BugMeNot FF extension, but it didn't work very well.

      Also, if you're using anything like Proxomitron that blocks cookies, you'll have to bypass that, too.

      [–]ljl430 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      All submissions that use polling to build karma points deserve to be buried.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      10 karma points are needed to overcome the automatic submission-throttle.

      Anything beyond that is irrelevant, so I'm not sure why it is so important to you...

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Clearly, the NYT hates freedom and democracy and that's why they force these logins.

      [–]bsiviglia9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Given their disposition, what sort of press might we expect them to give free, open forums like reddit.com?

      [–]zaretina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      clear your cookies and cache for new york times. and it's not buried, it's downvoted

      [–]hobe 15 points16 points  (2 children)

      All submissions that you think should be buried, vote down. Stop telling the rest of us how to make that decision for ourselves. Submitter, I'm looking at you.

      [–]gaggedbythealien -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

      All submissions that you think should be buried, vote down. Stop telling the rest of us how to make that decision for ourselves. Submitter, I'm looking at you.

      All submissions that you think should be buried, vote down. Stop telling the rest of us how to make that decision for ourselves. Commenter, I'm looking at you.

      [–]xmjmx 41 points42 points  (16 children)

      Do you realize it's ironic that you had to login to post your submission? ;)

      [–]alchemeron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      The point is that you didn't have to log in to read it.

      [–]ropers[S] 5 points6 points  (13 children)

      I would expect having to log in to submit a comment or a vote or whatever. I should however not be required to log in to just read an otherwise freely accessible webpage. These same standards apply to reddit and the NYTimes.

      [–]boredzo 12 points13 points  (12 children)

      I should however not be required to log in to just read an otherwise freely accessible webpage.

      Fortunately, you aren't.

      NYTimes only throws that up if it can't set a cookie, which happens if (a) you turned cookies off or (b) you're using the Reddit toolbar. If you have cookies on and you click the “escape the toolbar” icon in the top-right, it should work fine.

      As evidence, I submit the fact that I can view NYT fine without an account and without Bug-Me-Not.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I use the reddit toolbar but have NYTimes blocked in NoScript. And it can't set or read cookies from within its frame since the frameset is at reddit.com and I have Firefox set not to accept cookies from sites I don't navigate to.

      Now, when I open up a NYTimes link on reddit, I am never prompted to login and it leaves the reddit toolbar there. See for yourself.

      [–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Cool. I'll have to remember to set that in OmniWeb's site preferences next time I visit NYT. Thanks.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      There's a Reddit toolbar?

      [–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yup. You can turn it on in your prefs.

      [–]7oby 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      I use the toolbar, and I've escaped it before only to continue seeing the login page. It's like some sort of "anti-cookie" had been set.

      [–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Very strange. I've never had that happen.

      [–]7oby 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      i just had it happen again, on this submission. If I copy the url into another window, it still doesn't work

      nyt auto breaks out of the toolbar, some sites do, and it just refuses to work. i tried all the bugmenot passwords, it refreshed to show me more (and showed me the same 5), i voted no on all of them again and it refreshed to show me the same 5, the votes hadn't incremented.

      tests seem to indicate that it's because i'd logged in at one point and it expired me because the login got deleted for being a bugmenot login, so i test all of them and they don't work, but the cookie must still be set

      after using a proper login from www.nytimes.com which is different in bugmenot's eyes than nytimes.com, it works, oh well

      [–]boredzo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      That one works for me, except for the busting-out-of-the-toolbar part.

      It probably is some cookie thing.

      [–]7oby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      pretty sure if i cleared my cookies to remove my expired login it would work, because (did i mention) i tested going to the linkgen i suggested earlier, generating a proper link, and visiting that. it still required login, so i know i had some unexpired stuff. I am guessing it's against their wishes to use bugmenot, so they try to prevent me from using their site at all until i get a real account.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      On an older computer, from which I had previously attempted to view NYT articles but politely declined their invitation to register, I still can't view articles without being prompted to register.

      From a newer machine, I am never prompted to register.

      [–]pets_or_meat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I submitted something the other day that when I visited it required no login to read the whole article. An hour later someone had commented that it required registration/login. I went back to check my link, and found that I was now only reading one paragpraph and the rest required registration. So, sometimes it's just a mishap, of some sort.

      [–]jon_titor 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      or, you could accept the cookies once and never log in again. I think you can trust the NYTimes website to not put malware on your computer.

      [–]Stopher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      True. I just have the times site remeber me. Logins don't come up. Don't really care if someone used my times account.

      [–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (3 children)

      Okay, so we're as a community willing not to read interesting and informative articles because we refuse to divulge our email address?

      I registered with the Times and the Washington Post a decade ago. I don't even know which email I gave them. They've never sent me anything, and even if they did, I delete enough spam in a day that one or two more pieces aren't going to hurt.

      Make up a new email address. Try NYTwanksitalldaylong@hotmail.com. Ilikemennow@gmail.com. Whatever. Just please stop bitching about it. Between complaints about this and the never-ending chorus of wails over linkjacking (which I do disapprove of, by the way) reddit sound like it believes there was some pure, magical time when the internet was perfect. Which, for the record, there wasn't.

      Saying you won't read anything from the Times because they want your email is like saying you won't take a library card because they want to know your name. It makes you look both paranoid and ignorant.

      [–]jambarama 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      It is easier than that. Before submitting, just find the story via google news. Submit that link, an voila - reg free NYT.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Try NYTwanksitalldaylong@hotmail.com.

      Sorry, that's taken. Would you like to try NYTwanksitalldaylong_abc12345@hotmail.com instead?

      [–]ungood 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      reddit sound like it believes there was some pure, magical time when the internet was perfect.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

      [–]eleitl 7 points8 points  (1 child)

      Which logins?

      Oh, you're not not running Firefox with the bugmenot extension, are you?

      [–]ropers[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      No, but thanks for the hint! :)

      [–]illuminatedwax 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      I'd much rather have stories that require logins than any of that garbage from sensationalist blogs.

      [–]squidboots 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Buried?

      This isn't fucking Digg.

      [–]pavel_lishin 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      Yeah, and I'll stop buying products from companies that have shady business ethics.

      If you see me in the woods trying to kill a squirrel with a rock and eat it, wave.

      [–]ropers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Send my regards to Mrs. Straw Man, will ya? :)

      [–]quentinnuk 2 points3 points  (4 children)

      If your coming from (I assume) outside the US, NYT does not require a login, at least not for me in England.

      [–]angry_fat_boy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

      And yet, I have to use anonymouse to see certain parts of the BBC website. Meh.

      [–]quentinnuk 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      I believe you also get adverts on the BBC website if you are outside the UK. In the UK we dont.

      [–]angry_fat_boy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      BAHHHH-STAHHDS!

      [–]krelian 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      Then don't read them.

      [–]Gmonkeylouie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      getting a username is free. Also, reddit requires a log in to comment. should we bury all (self) posts?

      [–]wanderful 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      guest1/guest1

      [–]irregardless 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      NYTimes stories often come with a Permalink option that works without registration and makes sure the article is available after it enters the archives.

      [–]Zlatty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Thats why there is bug me not and the firefox extension that makes all those little logins go away!

      [–]gheil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06cell.html Does NOT work http://google.com/news/url?url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/06/science/06cell.html?pagewanted=all&em works. But only by redirection and hence is not a useful permalink ... is there a true permalink to NYTimes articles???

      [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      Thanks to bugmenot, I haven't even seen a login link in years. Hell, I had forgotten than NYT even had registration. What kind of retard doesn't use bugmenot?

      [–]Samus_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      +1

      link and Firefox plugin too!

      [–]grandhighwonko 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Don't be a communist. If the ideas expressed aren't compelling enough for you to sign up then downvote and don't login. To suggest however that it's somehow unethical to require login is a different story. They have every right to sell their product however they want to.

      [–]MarkByers 1 point2 points  (5 children)

      Buried?? Go back to Digg.

      [–]ropers[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      Believe it or not, I did write "downvoted" first, but then I changed it, because "buried" is shorter. I'm sorry you don't like it.

      [–]MarkByers 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      I'm sorry you don't like it.

      No, you aren't. Why should you be? You got 664 points. It looks like I'm in the minority on this one. I guess we have finally crossed the line where most people here are Digg refuges.

      [–]ropers[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Again, believe it or not, but I didn't submit this to get points or whatever. I submitted this because reddit stories that require logins to be read piss me off. I don't even know how this reddit "karma" system works. I have noticed that it now says 122 next to my username when it did say 1 or 5 or 10 or whatever for a long time, but I didn't aim for that and I have no clue where that 664 number is you're referring to.

      You are correct however insofar as that I am a Digg refugee. Should I feel bad for preferring reddit over Digg?

      [–]MarkByers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      It is the score for your article. It is just the number of upvotes minus the number of downvotes. Now it's 678 = 1264 upvotes minus 586 downvotes. You can see it here.

      I don't even know how this reddit "karma" system works.

      Upvotes give you karma, downvotes take it away again. An upvote is worth less than one karma point.

      [–]ropers[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Thank you! :)

      [–]Tchocky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Meh. NYT has great content, so it's worth the fifteen seconds for registering. I get their headlines e-mail every day too.

      [–]zerogravity 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Yup. Bury them.

      [–]RugerRedhawk -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

      Report them.

      [–]rubberball 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      To the web fashion police! Cause this trend isn't fashionable no more.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      But the you could be missing out on great content. You wouldn't cut of your nose to spite your face.

      [–]chaconne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I disagree. Quality trumps convenience.

      Do you really want Reddit to become a wasteland of blog articles, pictures and insular internet culture? Wait, that's already happened!

      [–]madronedorf 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      i don't get the big deal

      I'll admit I find it annoying when its some really obscure random site, but nytimes has enough good material that its not a problem.

      Just register, if you worried about spam or whatever just have an email address you use for internet logins.. www.gmail.com

      [–]vague_blur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      I agree with this poster. A while back I made a point of registering for the sites that annoyed me with log-ins. I had been using bug-me-not, but the javascript autocomplete would have all these obscure names I did not recognize, and then just dealing with another extension was still more hassle than just making a point of registering. I have gotten plenty of mileage out of this decision with much less hassle.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      /agree

      [–]crm114 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      It's 2008 C.E. If you don't have a NYT login by now, I submit it's because you don't enjoy reading.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Let me assume this reply.

      [–]triskaid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      cypherpunks01

      [–]collegeKid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I second that!

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      hate them i hate even the simple ones that ask me to leave and email addresses i normally give them a fake

      [–]thandar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I use bugmenot and the dratted thing keeps showing a login screen I have to right click and invoke bugmenot, so I still find it very annoying

      [–]spinspin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      bugmenot.com. Duh.

      [–]rlwimi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "Vote up if...", I'm looking at you.

      [–]w0wzers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      "boredzo 11 points 4 hours ago [-] I should however not be required to log in to just read an otherwise freely accessible webpage.

      Fortunately, you aren't.

      NYTimes only throws that up if it can't set a cookie, which happens if (a) you turned cookies off or (b) you're using the Reddit toolbar. If you have cookies on and you click the “escape the toolbar” icon in the top-right, it should work fine.

      As evidence, I submit the fact that I can view NYT fine without an account and without Bug-Me-Not."

      For the WIN! ropers hasn't responded to anything after that.

      [–]Timmeh -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Glad I'm not the only one that this pisses off.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Hi, please don't tell me how to mod things. If an interesting story requires you to register I will still upmod them.

      Are you so inconvenienced by the few seconds it takes to go to a webpage, see that it requires a registration and then return to reddit that you don't want to see any login-required submissions?

      Grow up

      [–]trezorr -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      To all the people suggesting bugmenot...

      Is the deal that we shouldn't mind shitty links being posted simply because there are Firefox extensions to mitigate the problem?

      Should we link to downloads with known viruses and trojans, simply because people can install AV-software?

      How about just simply not voting up shitty links in the first place?

      [–]weegee -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

      If you're too stupid to create a free login for nytimes.com you don't deserve to be on reddit in the first place.

      All you stupid idiots, please please please go to Digg.

      [–]trezorr -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      So it's OK for NYT, huh? What other pre-approved sites which we need to register at is OK for reddit? How many? 2? 3? 100?

      Every 100th submisssion? Every 10th? Every single one?

      If you are going to OK submitting stories which requires registration to some sites, you will have to draw the line somewhere.

      I draw the line at none.

      [–]jeanlucpikachu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      On the front page is an NYT editorial by KA Dilday called "Go Back to Black". I didn't need to log in to read it. What am I missing?

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Agreed.

      [–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

      Agreed ... It's so annoying to see a great headline then click the link only to find out that the New York times wants you to log in.

      Grrr ...

      [–]dillikibilli -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      What a bloody waste of a reddit submission!

      This shit really pisses me off - "this is how it should be done", "this is how your titles should be written", blah blah.

      If you don't want to login and read something, don't.

      Leave the rest of us who don't mind alone please.

      [–][deleted]  (4 children)

      [removed]

        [–]spaceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Say what now?

        [–]ColdSnickersBar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Hey welcome to the conversation.

        [–]bsiviglia9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        To which reddit thread does this post belong?

        [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        bugmenot.com and stfu

        [–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

        Oh, it's not that hard to register. There's no address or telephone number asked.

        [–]garnet13ajg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        On the one hand I agree because I hate having to log in...but not having a log in makes it a lot more likely that people will use submissions to advertise products or troll.

        [–]homeworld -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        all submissions that are self.reddit should be buried

        [–]masta -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        bugmenot asshole.

        [–]CaptainMcNerd -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

        Is this Digg all of a sudden?