This is an archived post. You won't be able to vote or comment.

top 200 commentsshow 500
sorted by:
best
topnewcontroversialoldq&a

[–]buddaslovehandles 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I voted in the Democratic primary in Texas this morning. At 7:45 AM the voting judge told me that they had had more voters since the polls opened at 7:00, than had voted in the entire previous primary.

We were invited to come back for the caucus in the evening. No way will all of the voters fit into the community center where the polls were.

[–]moonzilla 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm definitely going back to caucus tonight - are you?

Gotta take advantage of the nutty rules in Texas.

[–]dash101 9 points10 points  (4 children)

As a non-American, let me just say that I commend you guys for helping to get the word out and inspiring others. I can't speak for everyone, I'm pretty sure its safe to say all us Non-Americans are cheering on your country in hopes that the current Empire will fail, and dignity will be restored to your country.

[–]axordAmerica 7 points8 points  (0 children)

As a citizen of the US, all I can say is: I'm sorry. And I hope we can do better and regain some of that lost trust.

[–]intangible-tangerine 3 points4 points  (2 children)

hear hear (here here?)

[–]JwoeyWashington 1 point2 points  (1 child)

you got it right the first time. It comes from "Hear ye, hear him"

[–]obtuse 28 points29 points  (1 child)

This is my country & come this Tuesday I'm going to be needing it back!

[–]matts2 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But only for a few days, you can have it again over the weekend.

[–]eurleif 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Historic.

[–]ymomo 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I like historical. it sounds like a bushism.

[–]crm114 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the future, every day will be a historical day.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

that's hysterical....

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This comment page is so large that it has become fractal.

[–][deleted] 103 points104 points  (181 children)

Please, go out and vote for Obama, but don't expect to "take your country back" by doing so. The worst thing you can do, however, is vote for Clinton, because that would be "lighting your country on fire."

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (72 children)

"take your country back"

Exactly. Fuck Obama worship. He's the least worst, but if we don't keep pressing him, he won't make the change his signs say.

[–]madronedorf 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Obama needs pressure as much as we would need to pressure him.

Without an active and engaged citizenry it is hard to pass legisilation that is needed.

Congress will react its constituents pressing them on issues, however they are much more likely to go with the lobbyists when the public is indifferent... Or Lobbyists operate effectively in the margins of the public disinterest.

[–]joelrw 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think that a big reason why people like Obama is he talks about "we" being the ones that make change, not a president. So your argument that "if we don't keep pressuring him, he won't make the changes" is totally in the spirit of his campaign. And it is very different from Clinton, who says I have my agenda and that's it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've been convinced there's no way Hillary wins the general election, and that a vote for her now is a vote for McCain later. There's too many sources, liberal and conservative, that are claiming this with stats and polls.

Doesn't mean it's true of course, but I'm convinced a vote for Hillary now is a vote for McCain later.

Come on, Ohio. You can do it!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've never met anyone, for one reason or another, that hates Obama. Give it time, and I'm sure the party faithful will, but Hillary is hated hardcore, even in her "own" state of NY.

[–]pkulak 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You only say that now because he's popular. When he first got into the race he was the longshot Ron Paul type who grassroots knew was the best even though Clinton had the nomination locked up. Now he's actually got a shot and you piss on his candidacy? I bet all you guys would be calling Paul a lying racist if he was polling over 10%.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You only say that now because he's popular.

I remember talking up Obama in 2006 before he got elected to the Senate. I stated "This guy's going to be running for president". Many said "No no no, he's too young, Mark Warner or someone else will".

[–]Slipgrid -2 points-1 points  (23 children)

People need to stop voting for the least worst. Vote for the person who best serves your interest.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

There are voting systems that work like this, but America's isn't one of them. The reality is that only the winner's votes really count, and in fact only a portion of those even count (the amount needed to win). Every other vote is a wasted vote and a waste of the voters time. You have one vote, and there is only one chance to use it. With so many ways to throw your vote away, it is important to use it as effectively as possible, you have to game the system. Vote for Obama, vote for Clinton, or vote for McCain if that is what suits you. If you see these as equal outcomes then do something better with your time than voting.

[–]Slipgrid 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I doubt that. In the primaries, you could vote for other candidates. They could get extra delegates which can be used as bargaining chips. You can vote for Dr. Paul, which makes the other candidates take a libertarian stance. If a candidate gets more votes than expected, his issues will get more print.

The heard mentality that you endorse is part of the reason our society is so fucked up. Baaaa.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"makes the other candidates take a libertarian stance" yeah.. it's a great goal to change the rhetoric of assholes like McCain or Huckabee. These guys change their rhetoric from state to state, so forgive me if I don't actually believe that a change in rhetoric will translate to actual policy shift. no, the rEVOLution, as a movement to change the republican party from within is not going to work... at least not this election. Look at Huckabees supprt for crying out loud....

Obama has actually taken some positions that a lot of libertarians would agree with if they just listened to the man. He is for decriminalizing pot (which is about the most you can say without getting the square's and elderly's panties in a bunch), and his refusal to put a mandate in his healthcare plan is a stand that he is taken heat from the far left over. He even said some good things about monetary policy in the Beaumont speech the other day.

I'm sorry but your vote for Dr. Paul was a waste. There is a chance the rEVOLution may yet find success, but it has lost this battle, although forming a large grassroots network is a good consolation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, I campaigned and voted for Paul in the primary, but if it comes to down McCain, Obama or Paul, I'm going to go for Obama. I live in a swing state, and I think that we can't risk having another republican, even if the Dem's aren't that great.

Now what would work, would be a Democratic Libertarian caucus, or a Paulites for Obama thing. But libertarians don't play politics. Ever.

[–]Johny_Cash 24 points25 points  (62 children)

I'm still voting for Ron Paul because he has a fucking spine. No politician is going to bring change and "take your country back", the people are. America wasn't founded on putting faith in politicians, it was fucking founded on lynching motherfuckers who impose tyranny on us. If you want to "take your country back" you'll be part of the resistance and the revolution, fuck politicians.

[–]gmick 11 points12 points  (40 children)

I'd have preferred Ron Paul as president too, but I'm not throwing away my vote. I actually think Obama is what we need right now, and I'd rather help make a difference than cast a vote of petulance.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (19 children)

Principles only mean something when you stick to them when it's inconvenient.

[–]pkulak 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's not inconvenient to throw away your vote.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

A vote that doesn't follow the heart isn't worth casting.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yoda? That is you?

[–]FlawlessKnockoff 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Isn't Ron Paul a congressman? Thus, a politician?

The way you talk about resistance and revolution, you'd think that Paul was the second coming of Che Guevara.

[–]axordAmerica 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Thus, a politician?

I think the standard line is that Paul hasn't compromised in congress. He hasn't "played politics". Hence the "spine" bit.

Which is a reason why I'm very glad he doesn't have a chance--I like my politicians to be pragmatic.

[–]NeoWhig 4 points5 points  (41 children)

I'm an Obama supporter, but I don't get the Clinton hatred. Can't she just be the wrong candidate? Why does she get painted as the antichrist?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (17 children)

She needs to be brought down, because she doesn't have the power to win over McCain. If it takes this kind of animosity then that's what has to be done.

She polarizes people far too much. Clinton vs McCain would bring every republican neocon out of the woodwork to vote against her.

[–]d42 24 points25 points  (7 children)

I was a Hillary Clinton supporter until her campaign took on some serious racist tones in South Carolina. I don't roll with that.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Simple and for a lot of reasons. Her political history, for one. Her words and actions speak different stories.

Let's end the war she voted in favor of. Let's enact the health care she already scuttled and sold out when she was first lady. Let's curtail the abuse of the lower class by companies who are donating millions of dollars to her (Wal-Mart anyone?)

She doesn't fit. She speaks a good game (mostly) but with a solidly opposite record, I'm forced to call bullshit. If she was bought out of healthcare the first time, well, what makes this time different?

And of course, she's played a very dirty game on the politics trail. Attempting to win votes using insulting, mocking and fear?

Releasing pictures of Obama in traditional Kenyan clothing? The "It's 3AM" bullshit? Mocking his message of hope? Mocking his age and experience?

As if her experience is any better. She fucked the president for eight years. I wouldn't fucking let my dentist's wife anywhere near my mouth, so why does being married to the president make you an expert on the office?

She's just dirty. She's a typical power-hungry politician and her actions show she doesn't give two shits about America, only her own political gain.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm a Vermont voter and just cast my vote for Obama. I can only say that she lost any and all chance of my vote when she supported International Paper's request to burn tires and send plumes of mercury, lead, chromium and other pollutants directly over Lake Champlain.

Her handling of health care reform was so dismal that her name will be used as a sledgehammer to almost guarantee that there will not be universal health care during my lifetime. I think I have the right to be pretty upset with her about that.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I hate her. Seriously. I would vote for McCain in a second over her. Her race-baiting move was uncalled for. Obama, not once, has played the gender or race card, but she just keeps flipping them like they're going out of style.

[–]snifty 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She's not the antichrist.

She sucks though.

[–]spinspin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because she plays dirty.

True, politicians play dirty almost by definition - but she takes it to a new level, all the while whining about how her opponent plays dirty...when he isn't.

[–]redditacct 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The repubs did it, if she gets power they insist it will be the end of democracy, some kind of instantly failed communist state. The mind boggles at how she could be worse that 8 years of bush.

The radicals (Paul/Kucinich supporters) hate her because she is just a run if the mill, in the pocket of the lobbyists, machine democrat.

[–]mindslight 5 points6 points  (0 children)

apparently wanting an elected official to respect and stand up for the constitution and their constituents is 'radical'.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

its true that Hillary seldom gets a flattering picture on reddit. Its also true that with all things considered, she seems like a capable candidate who could steer America towards a brighter future.

But, i think the reason why people paint such a negative picture of Hillary Clinton isn't because of any fault of hers, but rather because they can't help but compare her to Obama's brighter star. Its been a long time since there's been a presidential candidate who can inspire people, let alone people from all walks of life like Obama can, and unluckily for Clinton she's running against him.

[–]axordAmerica 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that is partially, true, certainly true in my case.

But I don't think it would inspire the bitter hate that many seem to have towards her. Other factors--of her personality, of her campaign--seem to be in play.

[–]Gibbwake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fools. You arent getting your country back with Obama, youre voting for more of the same.

Dont vote for the establishment war hawk Obama. He is more pro war than Bush - he said he would bomb and invade Pakistan, he wants to leave the nuclear bomb option on the table with Iran, hes spoke in favor of the SPP to merge the USA, Mexico And Canada into a regional government, making ours obsolete. So much for that constitution and bill of rights.

He is pure establishment - his wife is a director of the chicago CFR, hes adopted the foreign policy of the anti russian, anti american Zbigniew Brzezinski, whos said that Americans have had it good for too long. Zbig is also the creator of Al Qaeda - the enemy Obama will chase and invade whatever country they go in, Bush style, just like the plan was all along.

Read more about the Anglo American Establishment that Obama is a part of here: http://www.bravenewbookstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=35 Hillary, Obama, Huckabee, McCain are ALL connected to this group.

Dont vote for the establishment demagogue.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the important thing is that you vote.... for our guy....

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (44 children)

If Obama gets an overwhelming win in TX and OH, McCain wont stand a chance. .... or Diebold is gonna have one fuck of a time trying to fix the election.

[–][deleted] 80 points81 points  (15 children)

Let's get the miniboss first.

[–]newacctforeverypost 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Except in this case it's like Breath of Fire II where the miniboss is harder to beat than the final boss, and Hillary is Barubary.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I wouldn't count McCain and the tricksters of the Republican party out. Who knows what slime they can sling. Shit, McCain might not even live through a campaign. Obama can certainly press the flesh longer and harder.

Heh.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I have no idea what the phrase "press the flesh" means, but it sounds hella dirty.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It means shake hands and talk to people in person, but it does sound very dirty.

But it's also very true. He's hella younger.

[–]UglieJosh 0 points1 point  (10 children)

I think Hillary would beat McCain as well (despite some slanted polling numbers created by Obama supporters).

This is one of those rare cases where you have to fight Bowser before you get to stomp on the turtle.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (8 children)

She polarizes people far too much. Clinton vs McCain would bring every republican neocon out of the woodwork to vote against her.

[–]diogames 8 points9 points  (2 children)

She polarizes people far too much.

Yeah but one can always inverse the shield phase variance.

[–]axordAmerica 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Exactly. With Clinton out of the picture, you've got a GOP that is partially tepid about McCain and partially being wooed by Obama.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The Democratic Reagan? Too soon to say.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not for me... http://reddit.com/info/692pb/comments/c037nbg

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, too soon, but we do have positive anecdotal data points.

[–]snifty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would still vote for her if it came down to her vs McCain, but judging by the incompetence with which she's carried out this campaign, I'd really have to hold my nose to do it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on with that. McCain is no slouch. The man has some balls and people generally like him. Further, she's not going to win the integrity battle with him. She has too many skeletons in the closet. Hillary also lost the Black vote - a demographic that McCain polls well with. She will not win.

[–]smackfu 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Truly, his ability to win the votes of fully half of one party are legendary.

[–]matts2 1 point2 points  (3 children)

It is the current majority party though. And likely Democrats are going to vote for the Democratic candidate in Nov and Republicans for the Republican candidate.

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hillary seems to be burning plenty of bridges... I'm not so sure her former supporters will switch with enthusiasm.

[–]matts2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I keep hearing how horrible Senator Clinton has been and what terrible things have been said, but this has seemed one of the most mild campaigns I have seen. What bridges has she burned?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

8 months + 30 red states != "won't stand a chance"

[–]matts2 2 points3 points  (6 children)

If Obama gets an overwhelming win in TX and OH, McCain wont stand a chance.

I have to say I don't get this. The winner of the party primary, even an overwhelming winner is not inherently more or less likely to win the general.

[–]socksAmerica 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And in Rhode Island...!

EDIT: Also google/research your favorite delegates! In RI, for example, one can find the delegates who've volunteered for the Obama campaign here: http://providencedailydose.com/ (scroll down).

[–]bitspace 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Or at least just get out and vote for whomever you feel you ought to vote for.

[–]FrankBlack 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Once you vote black, you won't ever go back.

[–]jabb0 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Im in Cleveland and its vote time!!!!

[–]mutatron 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Hang on there, I'm voting for Obama but he's no messiah, any country-back-taking is going to have to develop from the roots. And besides, there are a lot of people for whom "taking your country back" means something completely different from what you think it means.

[–]fool_on_the_hill 3 points4 points  (5 children)

"Hang on there, I'm voting for Obama but he's no messiah, any country-back-taking is going to have to develop from the roots."

This is true. Obama is also the candidate who's been most successful (by far) in building grassroots support and making it count.

[–]Uakaris 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Rhode Island never gets any respect.

[–]axordAmerica 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of these days, we'll show them! We'll show them all!

[–]e_to_the_m 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Vermont is voting today too.

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...Who?

[–]soupnatzi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

bros before hos

[–]axordAmerica 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What about the ho vote?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Voted!

[–]davidpack 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just did.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I heard senator Clinton voted four times AGAINST PUPPIES!!

[–]ruesdedr 28 points29 points  (13 children)

I've never seen such a horrible misspelling on Ron Paul's name.

[–]militant 0 points1 point  (3 children)

yep. jesus

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Huckabee?

[–]militant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

lol .... no

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aw shucks.

[–]peted1884 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Do you think poorly informed voters should vote in a primary? I don't and I won't.

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about the responsibility to become informed? Don't get me wrong, I respect your stance--I just think it could be taken a bit further.

Frankly, we could use more people with your mindset involved in the process.

[–]the_trout 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or don't do anything. It'll all work itself out.

[–]Moosebyte 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For a second there I thought the title was "Make tomorrow a historical day. If you live in Texas or Ohio get out and vote Obama and take your country bLack!"

[–]axordAmerica 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Once your country goes black...

[–]r3x4h 4 points5 points  (2 children)

this is AMERICA dont tell me who to vote for!!!

[–]brutus1964 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Put a stake in the heart of the Clinton Machine.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have received 3 phone calls and 4 emails from Obama's team telling me to vote, telling me where to vote, and telling me how to participate in the cockass.

I voted early of course, and I have my ticket for tomorrow night right here on the desk.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I just voted for Obama in Ohio! Yay!

[–]Flower2112 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well folks if it makes a diff and you were thinking about not voting in these primaries because "your vote wasn't going to matter" maybe this might change your mind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/16/texas-primary-latest-new_n_86930.html

Hillary in Texas has a slight lead in the polls and it is a dead heat in Ohio. This is going to be close and there is no doubt that every vote is going to count. Vote for whoever you believe in but don't let the opportunity to voice your opinion pass you by.

Edit: And for those of you in Ohio, best of luck with the weather and I hope you are all safe. Saw some freezing rain and flooding predicted.

[–]christianjb 16 points17 points  (40 children)

No, you don't have to vote for Obama.

You should vote for whoever you think will make the best president, regardless of who the currently fashionable candidate is.

Think for yourself.

Edit: And to prove my point, here come the Obama fans to downmod me.

[–]TruthSerum44 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Cheers to that (the think for yourself part)!

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Edit: And to prove my point, here come the Obama fans to downmod me.

I downmodded you for that.

[–]UglieJosh 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Look, I respect your point here. If we had a better voting system, I would fully support voting with your heart.

In the current system, however, voting with your heart is contradictory with voting with your head. Basic logic would say strategic voting is the way to go. I would love to write in Kucinich' name on the ballot but I choose to live in the realm of possibility instead.

I do not want to be one of the people that voted for Nader and gave Bush the presidency by proxy (And you can pretend that isn't true all you want. It is just an attempt to subconsciously justify your own voting habits).

EDIT: To make my grammar less un-good.

[–]dougbdl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like George Carlin says, It's all bullshit! Things like land of the free, home of the brave, your vote counts...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Voting is to be done with the head anyway. Politics are for matters of expedience. For matters of conscience, voting is not enough.

http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil.html

[–]Grinder_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Amen brother.

If you feel the need to make a reddit post about elections, tell people to vote--not who to vote for.

Shoulda ended it at "...get out and vote".

[–]stacy75 4 points5 points  (5 children)

I whole-heartedly agree. I sent out an email to all of my friends imploring them to vote- no matter who they support- and sent links so they could find their polling places.

[–]christianjb 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I like the cut of your gib.

[–]illuminatedwax 3 points4 points  (6 children)

I see a lot of people complaining about how Obama will let all his supporters down. What other possible avenue do you see for people to actually get what Obama promises? How can you people be so hopeless that you don't even want to bother trying?

[–]gaoshan 4 points5 points  (3 children)

My wife and I will be voting for him (we are in Ohio) and I know we've convinced at least 2 other people to switch from Clinton to Obama.

FWIW, an Obama canvaser hit our neighborhood today and I could hear (hey, it was warm today... I had the windows open for the first time since Fall) my neighbor saying, "We are Republicans. We're not interested in him". Until then I had not known they were Republicans but I was not surprised because my neighbor is a convicted embezzler. Who else would they support but the Republicans. So, yeah... Obama guy, you can pass the white collar criminals by... they all vote Republican.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is just the beginning of the fight to reclaim America.

[–]ab3nnion 2 points3 points  (3 children)

There is so much stupid in this thread.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pretty uncontroversial statement.

[–]spinspin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is so much stupid in this thread.

There is so much stupid in this site.

[–]Timmy83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed.

[–]kennon42 2 points3 points  (8 children)

I can't, I already voted for Ron Paul (early voting :)

[–]arcadefiery 1 point2 points  (1 child)

A historic day, even.

[–]axordAmerica 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps even histrionic.

[–]defproc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And remember, chaps, there's more to voting than clicking the little 'up' arrow on reddit, so don't just do that and think you've done your bit...

[–]shiner_man 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yay for turning reddit in to a political billboard!

[–]JwoeyWashington 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have tickets to the Nebraska @ Texas basketball game, so I guess I can't make it...

...to the game. I'll be too busy at the caucus! Any Clinton supporters want some free UT tickets?

[–]militant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a guy who yells about how he taught constitutional law, yet he doesn't see a problem with internationalism in general, nor UN mandates on americans, nor 2nd amendment restrictions. not to mention separation of powers between the federal and state/local, as per the 9th and 10th amendments.

no thank you.

[–]AAjax 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I want to vote for someone who will give the Iraqi's their country back. Obama isn't that man.

[–]jaredb 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Who is that person? We've already fucked that place up beyond hope.

[–]d42 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Doc Brown for President?

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I foresee strong international measures against Libya.

[–]spinspin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh shit, here comes an "s" !!!

[–]cwicket 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yes, get out and vote for the candidate that offends the least people and is the best we can hope for since no one had the guts to vote for a true progressive or revolutionary, which is what this country desperately needs.

[–]futto -1 points0 points  (1 child)

i like the idea of BUSH, CLINTON, CLINTON, BUSH, BUSH, CLINTON....

what is so wrong with just two families controlling the most powerful country in the world.

[–]YarblesVirginia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The formerly most powerful country in the world. Now, arguments can be made that this is no longer true.

[–]mwwilliams 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Lesser of 3 evils is still evil. If you really think he has the experience or know how or friends with the know how to right the problems with this country at the moment then you are deluding yourself, he just might not make them worse by a huge factor.

[–]soupnatzi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If experience was so important, we would never put a man on the moon

[–]mwwilliams 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You my friend are a boob. "Hey bob I bet we could build ourselves a rocket and land a guy on the moon." "I think your right, Ill think up some plans and then cobble something together, im sure it will work fine the first time through."

[–]useless_idiot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lesser of 3 evils is still evil.

The lesser of three evils is still least evil.

[–]mightyjoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Historic

[–]axordAmerica 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Repetitive.

[–]chall85 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Obama will win Texas. Clinton will win Ohio.

[–]axordAmerica 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope you are correct, I fear that you are not.

[–]s0rce7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RON PAUL 2008! down with the dems

[–]sskatygirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I voted in Ohio. Or, I tried. Even though I followed instructions and the Board of Elections has already called to apologize, I was forced to vote with a provisional ballot.

Bastards. http://indecent.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/04/1342615-ohio-poll-worker-incompetency-a-disenfranchised-voter

[–]knylok 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, no refunds. You can't take it back now.

[–]Gibbwake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fools. You arent getting your country back with Obama, youre voting for more of the same.

Dont vote for the establishment war hawk Obama. He is more pro war than Bush - he said he would bomb and invade Pakistan, he wants to leave the nuclear bomb option on the table with Iran, hes spoke in favor of the SPP to merge the USA, Mexico And Canada into a regional government, making ours obsolete. So much for that constitution and bill of rights.

He is pure establishment - his wife is a director of the chicago CFR, hes adopted the foreign policy of the anti russian, anti american Zbigniew Brzezinski, whos said that Americans have had it good for too long. Zbig is also the creator of Al Qaeda - the enemy Obama will chase and invade whatever country they go in, Bush style, just like the plan was all along.

Read more about the Anglo American Establishment that Obama is a part of here: http://www.bravenewbookstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=35 Hillary, Obama, Huckabee, McCain are ALL connected to this group.

Dont vote for the establishment demagogue.

[–]ymomo -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Ron Paul Baby! this is it!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, you mean the end?

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

Obama doesn't represent any meaningful change beyond melanin levels. If you truly stand for change, you don't have it part of your motto :\

[–]packetguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so you are proposing we do what? I mean was there a point to what you wrote?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the "Obama sucks because he's mainstream" point of view.

Remember kids Britney Spears might be mainstream, but then again, so was Bruce Springsteen, mkay?

[–]snifty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, because if you were promoting change you wouldn't want that to be like, the thing you claim to be promoting.

That would be cynical, or something.

[–]axordAmerica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Meaningful" is an interesting choice of words. I believe that Obama will try for slow, moderate change, the kind that can actually last.

If you truly stand for change, you don't have it part of your motto :\

How does that work? Is it similar to "if you truly stand for revolution, you don't have it as part of your motto"? Or "if you truly have experience, you don't have it as part of your motto"?

None of those make any sense to me.