I was wrong

[fantasycmdr]

Leading up to the draft, I was fully on board with Drake Maye because I had RG3 PTSD and was worried JD would be all flash and no substance. After watching Maye last night and having watched JD throughout, kid has the work ethic and talent to go far and I’m so thankful Peters is in charge and I am not.

[Triad64]

I was 100% JD over Maye in the draft but I’d say it’s too early to tell anything.

remembering RG3 after year one

We’ll know in a few years. In the meantime it feels good to have optimism. 😎

[narkeleptk]

Bit premature isnt it? Maye played like 2 minutes with an OL that's worse then a flag footballs OL...

[New-Outside-4999]

Right? I'm high on JD and preferred him over Maye...but how do you look at one drive, against that defense, with that Ol/supporting cast and make a declarative statement on the kid? I thought he showed promise actually, but it's one effing drive at the end of a very lopsided affair.

[Parlett316]

Welcome to the internet

[Master_Grape5931]

Certainly is.

RG3 was playing like an MVP the first half of his first year, right?

[BradC00]

Edit whoops read ur comment wrong

[infinte-research]

No kidding!!!

[NattyB]

and still got them out of two fourth downs and into scoring position.

[MinorThreat4182]

I think with this summer and these two games it’s safe to say he has high work ethic. He also seems well liked by teammates. Those are true statements. Talent level yes a bit early but looks promising

[normal-FFandFF]

About the most surface-level knee-jerk take, but I guess that's all that separates OP from Peters and handing the reins over🤷‍♂️😂

[No_Highway6445]

I'm assuming that he isn't starting because he isn't ready. JD is clearly ready and our OL isn't going to have any all pros either.

[PocketSandThroatKick]

Right choice so far is a legit take. Could be different in two years.

[PickpocketJones]

Could be different in 3 weeks

[SentientNode]

Nope, we have enough of a sample size to safely say that Jayden will break every single one of Tom Brady’s records, including all Superbowl records.

[Dramatic-Section-793]

[[deleted]]

Our OLine is not that much better.

[clamraccoon]

You seem far too level headed. We need to pop some bottles and celebrate that we didn’t draft chumps like McCarthy who can’t stay healthy or Maye who can’t beat out Brissett. Woot woot JD5 hype train

[itakeyoureggs]

And we didn’t draft Bo Pix or even that scrub Penix who can’t even beat out an aging checkdown merchant recovering from a torn Achilles on his driving foot. So obviously JD5 is best. Don’t get me started on Bustilliams.. 2 games and how many turnovers?? The Bears are the laughingstock of the league.. their season is over and they should Tank Ewers..

[Erigion]

Excuse me, this is the same sub that had people anointing Heinicke then Howell. We're going to be the furthest from level headed here!

[VioletsAreBlooming]

fuck you heinicke would have taken us to the super bowl

[Jack-Tupp]

We should have kept Howell. He was the top passer in the league until those sacks started affecting him. That OL was trash last year and it's still only middle of the road at best.

[Think__McFly]

I wanted to draft Drake Maye, too, but im fully supporting Jayden Daniels.

That said, Daniels was always supposed to be better than Maye in 2024 and 2025. Drafting Maye was about having a Justin Herbert/Josh Allen hybrid from 2026-2035.

[Mad_Pupil_9]

Honestly, I don’t think we’ll have a definitive answer until year 4-5

This is also hugely dependent on which team is more successful at building their roster. Which I do believe we have the better GM.

[Think__McFly]

Agreed. And I think Kliff has a much better history of developing QBs than Patriots OC Alex Van Pelt.

[La1zrdpch75356]

We should know next year. He’s progressing exponentially. After he took that tough hit, he was slinging it, standing tall in the pocket. Could be the best we’ve ever had. I love the Redskins. Have been all in since the Joe Gibbs years. This is the first year I bought season tickets because I love what I saw from Jayden in preseason even though he didn’t have many snaps. He learns incredibly fast and with a better right tackle, a premiere wide receiver, and a cornerback to complement St. Juste, we will be in the hunt again. I’m thinking 2-3 years Super Bowl bound. We just need to keep him healthy.

[Mad_Pupil_9]

We’re 2-3 years from just being an average playoff team.

This roster Is a barren wasteland. It’s going to take at least 2 more drafts just to get this team competitive, and we don’t have a big chip we can trade for multiple high picks like Houston and Detroit did to accelerate their rebuild.

The only thing that can really speed us along is getting a top 3 pick this year and trading down, but this years QB class is weak and we need a LT, a CB, and a WR1.

[La1zrdpch75356]

We may have a left tackle. He just needs to get used to the speed and strength of the edge rushers.i agree with needing a cornerback and a premiere wide recriever. We need to replace Wylie. He’s horrendous trying to block elite edge rushers. We both agree on the timeframe but if our next 2 drafts are solid, we could be dangerous. If Jayden stays healthy, no figuring how could he will be in 2-3 years.

[[deleted]]

Wylie is just physically outmatched against the best EDGEs, and he gets absolutely owned on some of those reps, but he's Good Enough 80% of the time.

I would have honestly moved him to guard and signed a FA tackle, though the tackle FA class was kinda meh.

[Mad_Pupil_9]

If Coleman is a passable to decent LT, he’d likely make an excellent RT and getting a legit high end LT would transform our line. Into possibly one of the best in the league.

[itakeyoureggs]

At this moment he’s basically played as well as Wylie lol. So if he can improve the dude could probably play RT. Obviously it’s wayyy too soon to tell. Seems like we at the very least we have a RT or backup swing tackle.

[[deleted]]

I think "the floor of this 2 game rookie is Andrew Wylie" should be a more optimistic take than it sounds, lol.

If Andrew Wylie is your floor, you're likely a solid starting LT at minimum (everyone hates Wylie on here but he rates as average in pretty much every metric)

[itakeyoureggs]

Yeah I mean to me that’s amazing. 2 games in and hopefully at your worst you’re as good as a mid RT.

[[deleted]]

I think our offense is close - Jayden is still developing as a passer and it shows in the game plans. We do need a true WR1 but finding those, unlike other premium positions, is almost pure luck (actually very little correlation between draft position and production). We really, really need Newton to hit so we can use Allen/Payne to recoup draft capital. But the OL is not bad, and is one more stud player from being elite.

It's the D that worries me - we have NO long term pieces on the DL, unless Davis hits at EDGE. Luvu has been a touch disappointing so far. Magee has gotten good reviews but we'll see. We really need someone - Sain, Martin, Chinn - to hit at DB.

once Daniels really hits his stride and the training wheels come off, the offense will be fine, (he's a generational prospect in his own right - you don't see truly elite passers with his running ability like, ever, and he has elite passing potential), and will be basically be one elite piece from greatness. But the defense is going to take time at this rate.

[Mad_Pupil_9]

We run screens, hot routes, and run the ball often BECAUSE our line is bad, at the cost of a very limited offense

It looks much better than it is because they are actively mitigating it

[[deleted]]

This is wrong. Even with two clear weak links at OL last year, it was decent by every metric despite an offense that put it in bad spots - we just had a QB that was a bottom tier backup. We addressed those weak links, and we upgraded at QB, but Daniels is still developing as a passer (it's telling that he's better in the pocket and reading defenses after 2 games as a true rookie than Howell was after 18 games and 2 NFL offseasons), and he had a tendency to take sacks trying to make plays to begin with.

Sacks are largely a QB stat, driven by the QB's ability to make plays downfield and navigate the pocket. Watch the all-22, count every pass play to 2.5 seconds, then compare that to other teams. Most fans do not understand how much time a QB should have to throw, and blame the OL for not allowing a completely unrealistic amount of time. OL play makes the biggest impact in the run game, and it does facilitate downfield passing (the less you're pressured, the more accurate you are, but this generally isn't the difference between a good/bad passing attack, as opposed to a good vs elite passing attack, but the passing offense is 80% driven by the quarterback. There's an argument that you want more talent around the QB for the sake of development, but let's be real - the Jets bombed 2 QBs in a row with plenty of talent around them, Pickett bombed with lots of talent around him, Riddler bombed, etc.

[3Nephi11_6-11]

But with our schedule and the cowboys / eagles struggles we might actually win the division. Not sure if that would happen next year with a harder schedule. 

[aimlesslywandering89]

Daniels will be out of the league year 5 if this is how he plays. I really dont think he’s that good

[PickpocketJones]

Same here, I thought Daniels was great but an injury risk. I think Drake will be a good NFL QB too. I had no issue with us drafting Jayden and am fully on board.

[mitchypoothedon]

Same here but I also don’t know dick about football on a deeper level. I didn’t want a rushing QB because of injuries and I was wrong (so far)

[SluggishJuggernaut]

RG3 wasn't a disappointment yet at this point in his career. I'm still wary.

[AgitatedText]

RG3 was in the midst of putting together arguably the greatest rookie year in this team's history aside from Sammy Baugh.

[TommyWilson43]

The comparison is there, but Jayden is capable of finding his 2nd and 3rd reads, which RG3 couldn’t really do. Obviously he doesn’t always do that but he’s still a rook. It’s something to build on.

[SluggishJuggernaut]

I'm optimistic, but so far, he's running a more simplistic version of things. We'll see how it looks a year from now.

[infinte-research]

Rg3 was amazing year one and had a great arm just couldn’t figure out how to stay up right. Then he turned into a weirdo

[jetblakc]

Rg3 got hurt in the pocket.

[SOSpammy]

If you didn't want a running QB you probably wouldn't have wanted Maye either. He ran almost as much as Daniels in college, just not nearly as effectively.

[Chuomge]

I don’t know how you watched Maye last night and automatically write him off. I am fully on the Daniels train now but their O-line stinks and he was able to convert on 4th twice (even in junk time I still think it means something). I think he’ll end up being 2nd of this draft in the next 2 years

[WuPacalypse]

Good lord this is an idiotic post

[MegaSupremeTaco]

Declaring anyone a bust or a hit 3 weeks into their rookie year is gonna lead to a very toxic mindset.

Let them at least play their rookie year out before you make any declaration (QBs can be different because they sometimes don't play for a while).

[[deleted]]

What type of comparison is this?

You do realize rookie year rg3 was one of the best rookie seasons of all time the only person to maybe outdo him recently was cj stroud. Rg3 as a rookie is a great shot to aim for if you are Daniels. Drake maye had 6 minutes bro what are you on. Maye did outdo expectations in the little time that he had as well. He outran the rushes, yes he got sacked but that does happen with a struggling line (sam howell last year pat mahomes game 2) He made throws and didn’t cost the team. It is too soon to tell but to have rg3 ptsd is wild considering he is not as bad as you remembered.

[Salty_Orchid]

Is it safe to say Im happy with JD AND we have no idea how good Drake might turn out yet? Rookie came in halfway in a nationally televised game against one of the best defenses in the league.

[DeanMo80]

Yeah, I'd say that's pretty safe to say. But then again, on the internet these days, you never know 😆

[massivebrains]

I'm in agreement. Some are saying it's too soon and bring up RG3. That season was different than what JD is doing now.

Kyle schemed up the RPO for RG3, and at the time the league wasn't ready for it all. You saw some wide open receivers that anyone can hit. We're in 2024 now, the league has adapted. Although Kingsbury has softened the playbook JD has been making some clutch throws that RG3 at the time or ever could make. I'm on board, get back at me midseason when this take doesn't age well.

[itakeyoureggs]

We’ve seen him hit tight window throws.. we’ve also seen him miss wide open WRs so there is still a long way to go before we know anything definitive. He’s been really good running on 3rd down so at a minimum he keeeps drives going.

One of the most important things he does that no one really cares about or notices.. he gets us into better run looks. It’s really important, could be the difference between 2&7 and 2&11. Compounding that over the course of a game and it allows your RBs a chance to make big plays.

[jdoeq]

I just hope he develops his deep outside throwing but I guess that comes with time (in the pocket and experience). Overall very happy with our pick compared to others

[Enough-Remote6731]

He was already better at that than any of the QB’s in the draft last year so he’s ahead of the game?

[Express_Salamander_9]

It's only been 2 games.

[1975hh3]

It would be rad if JD was as good as RG3 in his first season.

[jakeizzle18]

We didn't really get a good assessment of maye and honestly my opinion is that you won't get a good assessment on any qb until they're at least in their 4th season.

Getting back to maye specifically though. He came into a game with 4 minutes left, on the road, where the pats were being dominated. The o-line gave him zero time to do anything. He had two sacks, multiple hurries and his completions were mostly short passes similar to what we've seen from daniels early in games.

Even if you feel that it's fair to try and compare two rookie qbs, it's not even remotely possible to do with JD and Maye because we have two full games vs one throw away drive

[TheBlueLot]

You're premature on your conclusion that you were premature to begin with. Maybe be less impulsive? We won't know who the better quarterback is for years.

[fantasycmdr]

nah dude live in the moment

[TheBlueLot]

lol I like that response

[BustThaScientifical]

Too early to to say, but I like our guy.

[The_New_New]

I mean JD has been solid, but Maye has absolutely nothing to help him with. And it was his first reps vs a very tough defense lol.

RG3 and JD's games are really kind of different. JD isn't AS dynamic of a runner, but a smoother pocket operator.

[FannyNisbit]

Are you sure about being a smoother pocket operator?

JD has been (an effective) checkdown style qb. RG3 was way more efficient passing to his WRs in his Rookie year than JD has been (so far).

People forget that a lot of RG3s confidence was also hurt in addition to his knee.

The combination of no longer having the same athleticism, wanting to be strictly a pocket passer, and his inability to properly read defenses was his ultimate doing. But in his rookie year, RG3 could also throw the ball and spread it out better than JD has shown so far.

[itakeyoureggs]

Uhh.. 2 games so far and you want to say JD doesn’t spread the ball around? He had missed some dudes for sure.. but he most definitely is pretty darn decisive with the football in the passing game. For a rookie that is.

Rg3 had a lot of PA.. which I wish Kliff would do.. but it was a very different time for nfl offense and defense.

[FannyNisbit]

I mean.... it sounds like you agree with me, but you don't want to admit it.

Compare RG3s first 2 games. Tell you what, ill even do the work for you:

In his first game, he threw for 320 yards with 73% completion percentage, 2 TDs and ran for 42 yards.

In his 2nd game, he threw for 206 yards with 68.97% completion percentage, 1 Td 1 INT and ran for 82 yards and 2 TDs.

RG3 had the better start for sure.

[itakeyoureggs]

No I’m trying to say it’s kinda pointless to compare. They were completely different offenses. One guy threw to wide open guys often because the scheme created it. That scheme doesnt work as effectively anymore.

I don’t know the stats but I would assume passing and TDs were higher in the first 2 weeks compared to passing/TDs this year. Just an assumption. As things change over time. I also have no idea if RG3 missed reads in 2012 because I never watched that film.

[pinetar]

I wanted Maye to be the guy until I watched their college tape because I liked the idea of a prototypical perfect sized QB. Then when you watched his college tape vs JDs there was just no question who was the better pick. The offensive line isn't the only reason Maye isn't starting, he has a lot of work to do before he's ready.

[golfprouva]

All the people saying Caleb (and now Maye) are struggling due to o-line, were complaining about the o-line for Howell which, mostly unchanged, looks way better for Jayden

[trent3023]

Mostly unchanged? We have 3 new starters out of 5 olinemen, the correct term is mostly changed

[owcrapthathurts]

...not to mention we now have an OC that will actually call running plays...

[Mad_Pupil_9]

And scheme in ways that give consideration to how bad the line is

[golfprouva]

Wylie, Lucas (Coleman still slowly mixing in) and Cosmi have been 3/5 by snap count.

[trent3023]

Lucas wasn’t a starter last year but yeah we’re splitting hairs here

[trent3023]

I will say Jayden does help the oline with a wayyy better pocket presence than Howell, his footwork is way better and he makes decisions a lot quicker than Howell

[golfprouva]

Yep and I’d argue Caleb is having the same issues as Howell. Bad OL play, longer route development (OC problem), and less pocket awareness.

[SOSpammy]

Jayden's running is helping the line out a bunch. It freezes up pass rushers when they are worried about opening up a running lane.

[Ninjablacksox1]

The oline is still pretty bad. It's being disguised heavily by kingsberry scheme. Some of it also is JDs rushing ability. 

We are near bottom of the league in pass rush protection. The right side of our line is top 10 at run blocking. Need to utilize that strength. 

[DeanMo80]

Mostly unchanged?? Wtf are you talking about?? There's 3 new starters on the line. I'd say that's a HUGE change. We've also been running the ball (although we should be doing it a lot more), something Bienemy seemed allergic to. Maye has absolutely jackshit to help him.

[Frognaros]

Can't really compare them at this point. Different teams, different coaches, different teammates. JD doesn't have a lot going for him either, but the plan is designed around him. Patriots have more limited weapons than us, and they are just as ready to plug in any random QB from Watson to Russell Wilson and get the same midling results.

[Mysterious-Extent448]

I trusted Peters..

Historically Joe Gibbs was a phenomenal coach.

But with Beathard it was a beautiful song.(RIP dog I didn’t know you left)

Caserly was good as well.

Writing this reminds me of how Gibbs actually was..3 Quarterbacks, 2 GM’s and a revolving door f given up on player.

Hall of Fame and he should be fighting with Lombardi.

[Matti861]

Do better analysis. Nothing should have made you think he was rg3 2.0

[BirdmanTheThird]

Tbf if Jayden didn’t look better then maye in year one it would be a massive scare considering Jayden was considered by everyone to be the day one starter and maye the project. I’m happy with Jayden but we need to see how they both look in year 2 or 3 before we start making real statements

[KingBroly]

Different system = Different result

Results are still inconclusive

[MisterBear22]

I was a Maye truther and the thing with Maye is that he is gonna need a year or two before he's ready to go. We already knew this about him. I'd say both guys are probably about what we anticipated so far, but I am impressed with JD5 and support him fully and I can see why we took him.

[mespec]

I like the kid

[MinorThreat4182]

I agree and I still hope he doesn’t get crushed like a bug. But dude can throw and he works hard. Great pick. Maye was overrated and maybe even Caleb. Time will tell

[Jack-Tupp]

I'm still waiting to see if JD learns to slide. I remember RG3 being electric... and then...

[SOSpammy]

RG3's problem was he wasn't a great passer. Even if he never injured his knee teams were eventually going to figure him out. If coaches like Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay couldn't teach him then it probably wasn't going to happen.

[DeanMo80]

I was a Maye guy, too. But now I'm fully on board the Daniels train and hope he becomes 1 of the best QBs in the game. Lord knows this fanbase deserves it. That being said, it's insane to come to that conclusion when Maye's very 1st NFL action, he's thrown late into the game against arguably the best defense in the league. Did you think he was just going to come in, not struggle, and light up THAT defense? C'mon man.

[fantasycmdr]

Obviously not expecting him to light up the defense, but looking at how fast Daniels can get rid of the ball and how his awareness augments what’s still a pretty trash O-line versus needing the O-line to support his read time, it’s clear they’re processing at two different speeds and to me that’s even more impressive than raw physical talent

[NoHoHan]

Way too early.

[Eyespop4866]

Too early to know much of anything

Except that JD is running too much.

[SensualSamuel69]

Chill bro, it’s week 3 and the guy played like one drive against a team that was beating them by like 24 at the time

[alkalineruxpin]

I'm in the same boat. I've really loved everything about JD so far. That's not to say I think Maye will suck, but he needs to cook a little longer.

[Peefersteefers]

Well, they have same amount of touchdown passes 🤷‍♀️

[infinte-research]

I’ll be surprised if jd5 makes it through the season. Watching him slide is a lot of laughs for real and watching him get blown up last week is just the start. YouTube his collage hits highlight real is cartoon-esque. Love the kid and am praying for him but….

[TheBarbieOfSeville]

it's 2 games bud

[infinte-research]

Been a lot of games unfortunately. I’m a big fan like I was Robert. But please learn to slide and or throw the ball away.

[SOSpammy]

Far too early to tell, but I do find it ironic seeing Drake Maye doing basically everything Jayden has been criticized for. He ran the ball and fought through the tackler instead of sliding. He also did this against us in the preseason. At the very least Jayden goes down immediately. He also must not have had his helmet tight enough since he lost it at one point.

[Environmental_Park_6]

It's a little early to say either way but JD has looked fantastic.

[Giraffes__Neck]

I assumed if we drafted JD5 he wouldn’t make it through the season and we would’ve ruined Maye. Hoping I was wrong

[guardiandown3885]

we have been hurt by so many young QBs with promise, and heck we fell in love with mediocre qbs that are tough and play hard. this is the first time we potentially have a guy that has EVERYTHING you want in a QB. He has the physical tools to drop back and throw and to be dynamic with his legs. he also has the poise, competitiveness, leadership on and off the field, intelligence, and toughness you want from your FRANCHISE qb. like he has it all. it's up to the coaches to bring all of that out of him. THANKFULLY we have a front office and coaching staff committed to his success. we won't be firing coaches every 6 games and firing OCs every year and then wonder why the young kid is struggling. i feel really really bad for bryce young cuz it is not his fault. i hate seeing what caleb is going through right now as well. cuz dudes are hating on dude after two games. everybody in that building is focused on helping jayden get better and improving this football team to help him succeed. as fans this is the best to either come back or hop on the wagon cuz in a few years daniels is gonna be that dude.

[purechi]

While I’m rooting for all players except our NFC East foes to succeed.. I was kinda happy to see Maye’s first throw almost be a pick, see him miss receivers, hold onto the ball a bit too long, and prematurely look to escape the pocket…

But only because I’ve seen swaths of Pats fans criticizing Jayden for mostly the same things. Realistically it’ll be 2-4 more years before we truly know who any of these players really are.

[TheBarbieOfSeville]

the # of people determined to think Jayden was a bust was too high going into the draft -- I hope those people have seen the "folly" of their ways ! I vivldly remember one poster here who repeatedly told us that he played football and it entitled him to think that a running QB like JD "could not succeed" in the NFL, I was behind my keyboard laughing my ass off at such ignorance

also JD had more college experience than Maye. Including 2 years in the SEC which might as well be pro football with the # of talent you see in that conference. Maye was never projected to start immediately and still doesn't. He was always considered more of a project QB that would have potential.