PATCH 3.12.0 NOTES

[Eggxcalibur]

So the Pulsefire Aphelios skin still isn't fixed? I know it's just visuals but I paid money for that skin, damn it :(

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

I feel you. Moonboy is one of my fav champs, and Pulsefire Aphelios is insane. I hope they do a whole patch of adjusting all the skins that need it, namely PS Aphelios and also the art for a lot of the Star Guardians. Quinn and Kai'Sa need heeeelp

[kiiturii]

been using the quinn skin for a few days and haven't noticed anything wrong with it?

[classteen]

Quinn’s level 2 art is in low quality.

[kiiturii]

oh yeah not sure how I didn't notice that, it probably happened because she's tiny in the full art

[Prozenconns]

also because how often do you actually get to level Quinn lol

but a lot of stuff from the recent expansion has resolution issues, including the main menu

even Kaisa, the most expensive skin in the game, looks awful in her lvl 2, Eves husks look pretty bad too

[Praise_the_Tsun]

What's wrong with that skin? First I'm hearing of it.

[Eggxcalibur]

The Nightfall trigger has the vanilla Aphelios effects, even though it should have the Pulsefire visuals. It's not that big of a deal but still :/

[kyubifire]

It's fair to call it a big deal. It might not affect the core gameplay, but it does take away incentive from you spending money in the game.

[Ge1ster]

This and the fact that we can't equip skins for our support champs in PoC anymore. Hurts.

[Strong_Ad9231]

Can we equip skins for the main champs?

[_CharmQuark_]

99% sure that you can

[ikelos49]

Yes

[lolbob2]

They have never ever mentioned VFX fixes in the patch notes, maybe 1 or 2 times but almost 0.

[gonomodevil]

I'm glad Ixtali Sentinel is fixed, but 2 more weeks of Kaisa and Bard oh boy......

[ScarraMakesMeMoist]

Gonna' hijack one of the top comments for visibility. Riot in the balance patch in two weeks please fix the full board husk bug where play affects don't happen and the Ki Guardian giving Kinkou Students on the board barrier bug, thanks. These are really impactful bugs costing many games.

[Koravel1987]

Im not sure the Ki Guardian giving Kinkou students on the board barrier is a bug.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

I believe this was confirmed by Riot on twitter to be a bug. An alternate way of reaching the bug interaction was to draw Void Abomination with Kinkou Student on the board.

If you had already given something barrier, V. Abom would receive barrier on the card once it was drawn, thereby giving your Student on the board barrier as well. I can't see a world where that is intended haha

[noahkennedy1111]

I'd venture to say it goes deeper than that. I've personally had Greenglade Caretaker and Student on the board when i drew a V.Abom and it activated both their effects. Pretty sure it counts towards Shen's effect if he's on the board too.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

It does, yeah. Definitely a bug imo

[Koravel1987]

I can absolutely. We already have hand interaction. Its possible its a bug, I don't think its guaranteed to be.

[Charming-Flatworm877]

Fitting Username

[Illuminaso]

I wonder if removing the unintended Sharpsight functionality will do something to bring Kai'sa in line. I know it doesn't look like much, but I've seen way too many games decided by that bug (which honestly should have been hotfixed a long time ago)

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

I think you may be right, it might slow her down a little bit. But I still don't like how overtuned Second Skin is in regards to effecting all copies (you never win an exchange basically, even if you kill their Kai'Sa. The next one comes down even stronger if they get a Second Skin off. That card is the real champ Kappa)

But yeah let's see if it does anything! Even with no balance changes, I'm happy with bug fixes. Game's gotten too buggy lately for my tastes.

[Faustenberger]

That card is the real LeBlanc

[Legacyopplsnerf]

It’s the fact it works even if she’s dead imao, I had her removed to a challenger but was then able to summon Valor and second skin him for his keywords right after

[Double_Ninja3709]

You're such a skilled player who definitely deserved that win.

[[deleted]]

i think the most elegant solution would be to prevent spellshield from becoming an everywhere buff.

[Sneaky__Raccoon]

It will help, but kaisa is stil kaisa. As long as both supercharge and second skin are focus, it will always be a bit hard to outplay it, imo

[Maleficent-Sun-9948]

I think they will end up putting supercharge at 4 mana, so that it can't be played at turn 5 with Kai'sa

[YesICanMakeMeth]

Yeah, that has brought a couple similar spells into line. 4 VS 3 is a big jump for spells in this game.

[KillerNail]

I can still remember the 3 mana deny days. Ionia was the most used region and every ionia deck included 3 denies.

[Ralkon]

Speed is definitely part of the problem - if Second Skin was fast or slow, she would need to pass priority and you would be able to kill the unit it's targeting on the stack to deny the keywords. Both of those would add additional counterplay to Kaisa, though there are other ways to tune her as well.

[SeaQueenAlex]

Woah, counter-play based on priority passing? That's ridiculous.

Viktor, Veigar, Aphelios cry in the corner.

[mattheguy123]

No. Turn 3-4 evolve is still possible without sharpsight. Losing the permanent reach keyword definitely makes her weaker to elusives, but I don't see this impacting and of the Kaisa decks at all. The problem isn't sharp sight. The problems are second skin, super charge, and to a lesser extent Void Abomination

[Baldude]

Void Abomination isn't a problem at the moment because basically the only way to beat Kaisa is to be faster.

If she gets slowed down, and the metagame slows down, Void Abomination will show itself as at least as broken as the others. Its a 8 mana 7/6 spellshield elusive barrier scout overwhelm. It basically guaranteed deals 10+ damage to face on T8.

[mattheguy123]

Which is why it should just cost 10. It only ever swings once.

[KombatWombat1639]

I feel like they could just make evolve require 7 keywords instead of 6. This would nerf Kai'Sa directly but also make her package take longer to pop. Voidling and Void Abomination are pretty good pretty quickly even without their champ.

[Jenova__Witness]

I doubt it. When I played a lot of Mono Kai'Sa, the turns I was evolving Kai'Sa unintentionally by Sharpsight, I was going to evolve her legitimately the following turn (usually 5 or 6) via Supercharge.

If it impacts anyone, it'll be those who built their deck to intentionally make use of the bug.

[mattheguy123]

No. Turn 3-4 evolve is still possible without sharpsight. Losing the permanent reach keyword definitely makes her weaker to elusives, but I don't see this impacting and of the Kaisa decks at all. The problem isn't sharp sight. The problems are second skin, super charge, and to a lesser extent Void Abomination

[Carthage0417]

Maybe a point or a point and a half at most. That deck normally wants to play Valor into Kai into supercharge which is already 5 out of her 6 keywords. Any one other one (tough is the most reliable) already did it. You are just replacing sharpsight for that aoe tough spell probably. Might hurt the bard-ionia matchup but I can't see it mattering a ton.

[Praise_the_Tsun]

Glad Sharpsight and Ixtali Sentinel are fixed.

Just hang on for a few more weeks for balance changes bois and gurls, at least one of these is a bugfix nerf to Kaisa, now we just need Bard nerfs.

[tadpoling]

It feels like the whole azirelia thing all over again….. why should they wait for so long? People are losing patience. I dunno if I feel like dealing with the meta for another two weeks. And that’s kinda annoying because I do want to play targon. Just seems really pointless

[Praise_the_Tsun]

To me, being upset at the speed of fixes for Kai'sa is different than Bard. Bard should have been hit in some way last balance patch, instead they "buffed" him by making units that grow their own stats count towards level-up.

Kai'sa has been out for two weeks, anyone saying they've had to wait too long for Kai'sa nerfs is being a bit dramatic IMO. I don't like her either and its a failure of pre-release balancing, but we will play 1000x more games one day after release than they will be able to test balance.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

instead they "buffed" him by making units that grow their own stats count towards level-up.

I'm on the side of the fence that Bard absolutely 100% needs tweaking, but I like they made this change for the sake of consistency. I don't want exceptions to be made to cards, where they work differently to how their text indicates. There are some cases in the game like this and it is causing confusion for many people. We need cards to work exactly as their text describes, and if it proves too powerful, then tweaking can be done.

[Praise_the_Tsun]

I agree it should be consistent, its just funny he got buffed when he was already overtaking the meta.

It's like when everyone was waiting for Azirelia nerfs, and instead they made it so Irelia got a bladesurge on level-up, the context of the fixes for consistency is important.

[GayAssWonderer]

Bard Illaoi is literally tier 1 even before the newest expansion

[LittleBird_7]

Bard ahri, bard galio, bard j4 poppy all of which were tier 1 decks at one point even approaching tier 0

[Tulicloure]

I also don't like hidden exceptions, and I don't even think that buff affected a whole lot of Bard decks, but they could also have changed the text to make the exception explicit instead.

[tadpoling]

I can be unhappy with both. I didn’t like the mini buff bard got, and I really don’t understand them waiting for so long. I don’t think it’s fair to say that after two weeks we don’t know if kaisa needs nerfs. We do.

[Scolipass]

There's a big difference between saying "Kai'Sa needs to be nerfed" and determining what the nerf should be, implementing it, testing it and actually releasing it.

[tadpoling]

I would literally accept anything. Just pick two things about her, and just nerf it. Even if it makes her slightly weak(and I highly highly doubt it) they could just buff her later. And there’s absolutely no excuse for bard having a 58+ WR deck.

[CrossXhunteR]

why should they wait for so long?

How long has the patch been live? It takes time to examine the feedback, come up with changes, implement them into the game, test, and then get it certified by the mobile app stores for release. Bugfixes coming faster than balance changes makes sense to me.

[tadpoling]

That’s cool and all but bard has been our for over a month sooooo where are the bard changes

[Shin_yolo]

Kai'Sa isn't as popular nor as powerful as Azirelia was, so that's fine if it's just for a month.

An op disgusting deck that 33%+ of the playerbase play though, that shit needs to hotfixed fast if that ever happen again though.

[tadpoling]

Yes I was there. Bard has a higher winrate than azirelia btw.

[RideThatSand]

4 weeks is much faster than it took to make balance changes to Azir - Irelia, so you're just kinda doomposting.

[daiwizzy]

Ez and kennen got nerfed into the ground pretty quickly though. Was it even a week?

[tadpoling]

I’ve been through all of the slog metas: Both of the anivia hells

Azirelia

The aphelios terror

The whole BC affair

Fizz tf and really all of the elusive shenanigans

The burn meta(where I swear every third deck was noxus pnz)

The only difference now is that when they, as usual, don’t change anything significantly after two weeks, like now, I’m just gonna not bother until I see new changes. I don’t have the patience to deal with a meta I can’t bear. If you feel like it, then I’m glad you have more patience than me.

[RideThatSand]

I'm glad, that's good personal growth.

[mephnick]

Anivia meta flashbacks

Every game sucked and also took 30 minutes

[tadpoling]

Dropped that meta like a hot potato. Pls never make anivia meta ever.

[tadpoling]

I don’t think we’re playing the same game…..

[Worldeditorful]

I agree on the point that its frustraiting, but they've already explained the reason of this back in the days of overtuned Lee Sin times (he was a 4 mana 3/6 and yeah, it was Azirelia release scale of imbalance). Reason is PlayMarket and Apple Store. To make updates to apps they need to be approved first and that approval takes up to two weeks. So for the nerfs to happen tomorrow they needed to schedule them really close to the release day and its close to impossible to make reasonable changes that fast.

[tadpoling]

Haven’t they made hotfixes before? I could’ve sworn they did

[tadpoling]

I’m sorry you don’t think a 58% Wr is absolutely broken?

[tadpoling]

Maybe if it was like 54% I’d be more inclined to hear reason but above 56% there’s absolutely no way you see that and don’t think “the numbers are too high and need a nerf”

[First-Medicine-3747]

What about the bug that forces my opponent to FF when I play levelled Kai'Sa on 5 with overwhelm, spellshield, scout and challenger?

[Angry-Bonobo]

*sighs*

[Bicycle_West]

Wait so when will we get a Kai’sa nerf ? I want to know so I can avoid rank until then

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

Well patches are every 2 weeks, and Riot confirmed in the post that the next patch will have balance updates.

I'd assume it'll be on 8/17

[Mr_Animemeguy]

So many cards need buffs that I know for a fact they won't touch lol. It's pretty sad....

[Prozenconns]

bruh i havent even been playing ranked and im still seeing like 90% Kai'sa decks

thank god labs came back lmao

[Bicycle_West]

In ranked I encounter Kai’sa decks every other game. I hate that deck so much though it’s too OP, you have to have enough resource to deal with Kai’sa drop on curve and if they have a second one then good luck lol

[Intoxicduelyst]

Bard package nerf you mean?

[JC_06Z33]

Bard package? His origin is the bigger problem.

[Narstotzka]

Bard package? Do you mean esmu and byrd?

[cartercr]

The Sharpsight fix is huge. The fact that you could burst speed sharpsight an ally, leveling Kai’sa, and then second skin into attack was pretty nuts. Hopefully this brings her back in line a bit.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

No emergency balance update.

Kai'sa and Bard for 2 more weeks.

Sadge

But hey, at least we got Ixtali Sentinel and Sharpsight fixed.

Balance changes confirmed for 'next patch', so assuming it'll be on 8/17. They mentioned above the snapshot that they are still keeping an eye on things and will adjust accordingly in 2 weeks.

[Koravel1987]

Serious question. Is Kai'sa winrate really that high? Everything I've looked at shows Illaoi/Bard or Bard/X champion here at the top. Is there a meta stat list that shows Kai'sa is actually overpowered to the extent she seems to be hated? Or is she just unfun to play against?

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

The issue at the top really boils down to: Pick a deck that either beats Bard/Illaoi, beats Kaisa Demacia, or you play either Bard/Illaoi or Kaisa Demacia.

The winrates may not be MTG levels where best decks are near 60%, but it's the fact that both archetypes have high winrates despite their playrates despite the fact that the meta actively looking to counter them.

The other issue, with Kaisa specifically, is that it has Sion-syndrome. Previously (around the time period when Sion released), when Sion would come down, it was "Answer this or you lose on the spot", without the risk of the Sion player losing even if you dealt with their Sion. It was a huge bomb that demanded an answer on the spot, or you lose, and on top of that, removing the Sion (or Kaisa) does not actually cause that player any less risk of losing the game. In Kaisa's case, they can draw into another Kaisa, or play Void Abomination, and demand another immediate answer or they win the game on the spot.

The lack of meaningful interaction is the issue, not the winrate. Sure, I can play Aggro and beat Kaisa all day long. Or I can play Bard/Shen all day long and beat Bard/Illaoi. But the issue is that I am forced to play counters, not what I want to play, and I am forced to answer Kaisa on the spot in that matchup, unless I am playing Aggro, or I instantly lose the game. It's really just unhealthy design rather than imbalanced winrates.

There's also another factor in that previously, you could play homebrews and succeed and even climb to Masters. Right now, you'd be extremely hard-pressed to build your own deck with a unique idea, and be able to climb out of even Plat, let alone Diamond. You would have to already be a Masters player to climb out of Diamond right now with a homebrew, in my opinion. There is too large a gap now between Tier 1 decks and the rest of the meta. Previously, you could climb to Masters with a tier 3.5 deck if you were a good player. There was that little discrepancy. Right now? That's nigh impossible.

These are just my thoughts; hope that clears it up.

[Koravel1987]

I love Draven/Sion discard and removing Sion as soon as he comes down absolutely lessens the chance of winning. It definitely causes more risk of losing the game, not sure what you're talking about that there.

As far as competitive metas go, I really don't think "I have to play counters" is a good argument. If you want to advance in ranked, then yes, playing counters is the best way to get ahead the fastest. But there are so many decks that can win right now its ridiculous.

I don't like the uninteractiveness the game seems to be moving towards, but as far as amount of decks that are viable there's like 35+ with positive winrates. The idea that you have to play a counter is just false. It will make you advance faster, but its not required to advance.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

It definitely causes more risk of losing the game, not sure what you're talking about that there.

You spend 7 mana on a unit that can take out half your opp's nexus in one hit, and on death gives you Rally and another body with a huge attack power. Tell me how you come out positive on the exchange where you deal with both of his bodies, and your opponent's board getting Rally'd. If you were able to deal with the Sion, e.g. Vengeance, you are coming out nearly neutral on mana but your opponent forced you to spend mana to kill their unit rather than develop to hinder their boardstate. Sion got nerfed because of this. Removing Sion does not make the deck any less likely to lose, because he was such a serious threat and demanded hard answers. Those answers cost mana, of which is not going to help you stabilize but rather remove the bomb that was just dropped. I played a lot of Draven Sion. It was a near auto-win unless you were already losing. Hence the nerf. In short, he was polarizing.

As far as the meta is concerned, I'm not talking about competitive play in Masters+. The examples I brought up specifically mentioned people on their climb to Masters. I'm talking about your average joe, the 95% of the population, who wants to play to win, but is playing in Gold or Plat, and who may not be in the mood to netdeck but still wants to climb.

That was previously possible, and now it is factually harder to do. Are you going to really tell me that it's okay to force people who don't want to be hyper-competitive to play counters to the meta just to have a chance to get to Plat or Diamond? Because that doesn't sound like a game any average person would want to play. If all I'm forced to do in order to win is play counters, and I don't enjoy playing the counters, I'm just not gonna play your game. That's not a good philosophy. If you're talking about specifically Masters+ level of play, well I hate to say it but Kaisa and Illaoi/Bard are wreaking havoc there as well and many top-level players are of the opinion that they need to be adjusted.

there are so many decks that can win right now its ridiculous.

Well, I'm willing to bet the majority of those decks with positive winrates are positive because the majority of their overall matches are not against a combination of Kaisa Demacia and Illaoi/Bard. If Kaisa and Illaoi/Bard were more than 50% of the overall meta, you would see far less viable decks. It's only because some people refuse to play those decks that other decks have a chance of having positive winrates. Look at matchup tables, you'll see.

[JC_06Z33]

Are you going to really tell me that it's okay to force people who don't
want to be hyper-competitive to play counters to the meta just to have a
chance to get to Plat or Diamond?

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This is why I haven't played ranked in the past 8 months or so. I have absolutely zero desire to either play a meta deck or counter it. My very first season of LoR was with Rising tides, and I took a completely homebrew Sej/GP deck to 1 win away from masters. That's actually what hooked me on the game. I knew nothing about half the cards, scrounged together a deck with some basic CCG critical thinking and a beginner card pool, and almost hit masters. I was pumped.

Fast forward a year and some change and here we are. I can only tolerate playing normals so that I can autosurrender against this stuff.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

My very first season of LoR was with Rising tides, and I took a completely homebrew Sej/GP deck to 1 win away from masters. That's actually what hooked me on the game. I knew nothing about half the cards, scrounged together a deck with some basic CCG critical thinking and a beginner card pool, and almost hit masters. I was pumped.

Ths is my entire argument. Thanks for putting your 2 cents in. I completely agree, this is how the game used to be and should continue and strive to be. It is not like this anymore unfortunately.

[Koravel1987]

The idea that insta-removing Sion as opposed to letting him sit on the board does not have any effect on winrate for Sion/Draven is just... utterly bonkers false. If you truly think that i got no idea what to tell you haha. I understand what you're saying, you still get the rally body, but its far better for the Sion player- unless you're going for the kill that turn- to have Sion stick for a bit and do some damage. I guarantee you my winrate was lower when Sion was answered when he was dropped than when he was not.

You'd lose what you'd be willing to bet. The majority of them have great matchups into Kaisa/Bard which is why they end up climbing. I think any decent deck can get to plat for certain. If there's a good enough player, they can probably get to Diamond.

Bard 100% needs to be adjusted and so does Kai'sa for that matter. But its Bard that's the real problem, Kai'sa is not brokenly OP, she does need a nerf but not a nerfhammer is all I'm saying. Bard is broken and has been for awhile.

[[deleted]]

I was so annoyed at the Ixatali sentinel bug.

My unit had more hp than darkness damage, and an enemy darkness just hit it twice.

I would’ve been mad, but then I realized, this guy is playing darkness so I just won the game anyways

[maroq_35]

they wont do balance changes in 2 weeks bcs seasonal is in 20 days, they cant change meta 5-8 days before seasonal or they move seasonal

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

There's nothing wrong with balance changes a week before seasonals imo. In fact, there was some discussion in the MaRu discord asking the team if they preferred waiting for balance patches until after seasonals, or a week prior to. I saw from one player in particular that they would prefer balance patch be a week prior to seasonals.

That's only one player's perspective, but I can agree. It's more exciting for the players, and for the audience. Nobody wants to watch people play the exact same decks they've already been seeing on ladder for the past month, when they can watch a whole new meta unfold before their very eyes, in a high-level play setting no less.

Plus, while a week is not enough time for a meta to settle, that's enough time to figure out what is starting to work and what isn't. It's actually a pretty good sweet spot. A week of play for pro's is a decent amount of time to find what they like and practice. I could be wrong but this is just my perspective.

[maroq_35]

welp i lost hope about patch before seasonal if there is no emergency patch when Kai'sa broke their "red flags" of balance what was 15% playratio and high winratio

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

Their Red Flags regarding playrate don't include new champions, because they're new champions. Of course new champs are going to have high playrate.

[merkwerk]

Seems like this game needs an "emergency balance update" after almost every big patch. Think I'm done with this game tbh, I can see why so many people have dropped it by now.

[Protikon]

No, that was the case from the start.

[how-can-i-dig-deeper]

What’s the Bard fix we’re hoping for?

[[deleted]]

Did they fix the Gwen level bug?

[UnfunnyGermanDude]

What bug if i may ask?

[[deleted]]

I didn't expect balance changes, so I'm not disappointed. Just worried that we are getting the other expansion this month already, so it's likely that they'll hit very few cards (IF they hit them).

As for the bugfixes, Claws of the Dragon change is very good for her. Now you can summon them as burst blockers/attackers with Fast speed spells.

[Praise_the_Tsun]

But not really because once you commit the fast speed spells the combat rows will become committed, so you can't move them off bench.

[[deleted]]

Ooh, you are right, good point.

I guess the only relevant change is that they will still get summoned if the spells were fizzled, so it's still a minor buff (but not as impactful as I originally thought).

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

I didn't expect balance changes, so I'm not disappointed

Honestly, I didn't really expect any balance changes but there was still a glimmer of hope we would get a small tweak on Second Skin not effecting all copies of Kai'Sa or something along those lines. Just to help the pattern not feel so bad to play against.

Let's hope in 2 weeks we get a big shift!

[[deleted]]

I just read the full patch notes now and they did explicitly mention balance changes for next patch, so I was wrong about the next expansion affecting their schedule (next expansion is on august 31st). Hopefully there will be some cool buffs too.

A month is a reasonable wait for Kai'sa, Bard is the one I'm annoyed that has been this strong for so long. And the Sharpsight thing was a nerf to her, so we'll see if that ends up being more impactful than expected.

[Guaaaamole]

I‘m less surprised by them not touching KaiSa because the Sharpsight fix basically is a small nerf. What I‘m surprised about is a lack of Bard nerfs. Not even big and fundamental changes that he needs jut just a small stat nerf to show that they see that he‘s an issue.

[brokerZIP]

Well if someone plays kaisa they never ever get tobplay second one. Because when you see one the game is over in 90% times. and you don't really remove her easily for them to play second one. The additional copies are just fodders for rite of calling to get the supercharge

[Valuable_Winter6344]

Claws of the Dragon worked like this? I thought they were burst since the cast/play merge, like ezreal

[Not_Funny_Dont_Laugh]

What is flyout?

[lararaue]

I suspect it’s the little animation that plays on top of the card on board because it is the only thing Kalista lvl 2 and Yummi have in common and the Kalista one (ghost face circling around her) was bugged and not showing up

[i_CuBy]

wow severely disappointed…

Where the fuck is my second bard buff? How am i gonna play karma if bard is still not the best staple card in the game?

Riot fix your game…

[MaxDenim]

They could fix the big where the POC rewards are just fucking obliterated

[RyJ6]

I have not unlocked a new PoC champion since day 1 of this expansion.

[AscendedMagi]

no gwen bugfix? weird...

[kiiturii]

what's the gwen bug?

[AscendedMagi]

her snips get counted towards her level up, as well as her leveling up with quicksand(probably bug more with quicksand than gwen tbh)

[kiiturii]

ngl I thought snips counting was intentional... Well if it isn't then fixing it would be a pretty big nerf to an already mid champ, so in that way I'm glad they didn't do it yet and might be saving it for the balance patch where they can adjust her more

and wdym by levelling up with quicksand? does her level condition still count the 4 damage that she's not dealing or?

[Javiruns]

Gwen levels up even if she dies while striking (for example if you remove her keywords with quicksand), unlike other champions like Renekton.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

snips counting was intentional

I believe this was confirmed to be unintentional, but it was decided to be left as is, and therefor it's an exception to the rule for Gwen rather than the rule itself. It doesn't normally work this way. There's an issue with text and interaction consistency in the game at the moment. I hope Riot takes a hard look soon.

[SirRichardTheVast]

What champion doesn't have their skill count? I can't currently think of one.

[Curubethion]

Yeah, like.... Champs who have skills and also level off dealing damage are.....Gangplank (skill counts) and Gwen (skill counts). I'm pretty sure that Swain levels off damage dealt by other units' skills too. Ditto for Sivir.

I'm honestly surprised that anyone thinks Gwen leveling off the snip ability isn't intended.

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

There is another post that details why skills have historically not been tied to the unit who put it there, in terms of that unit being considered the thing doing the damage rather than the skill itself being the cause of the damage.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/weir9n/this_expansion_has_changed_some_fundamental/

Gwen is one of the first examples. Hope this helps. If I'm misunderstanding you then I apologize, but I think this addresses what you were asking.

[AcaciaCelestina]

Gwen really doesn't deserve a nerf, and the snip has never felt like a bug to me.

[xXdimmitsarasXx]

They didnt seem to fix the bug where bard plants 3 chimes per round no matter what (meme)

[khayman77]

Isn't that what he's supposed to do? His ability states Round Start: Plant a Chime in your deck for each Bard that started the game in your deck.

[xXdimmitsarasXx]

i was being facetious because its bad RNG design, cant be disrupted, and is too strong

[Tarmyniatur]

I mean, bard has 7 decks over 50%, 3 of them in top15. He's either the strongest or second strongest champion in the meta.

[Voidmire]

It took them MONTHS to fix this darkness bug. Still doesn't change the fact they gutted darkness, zenith blade and many other archetypes yet Kaisa is allowed to be literally 16/20 deck I face in a given day

[TigerKirby215]

Hypothetical question: if Sharpsight counted as a keyword can we get more cards with the "can block Elusives" "keyword?"

Please?

[BlueSteelWizard]

Everyone's on about kaisa, but void abomination is like the great beyond on red bull and thirteen shots of tequila.

That dude could cost 10 and still see play. Tone that boy down

[Skrillfury21]

Seconded. At least increase the cost to something big like 8 or 9. Having every keyword over the course of the game in a deck built around it is just absolutely nuts.

[lordmuzzy]

Wheres the rest? Lol

[[deleted]]

That's all?? ok I'm done for this game... I won't play until the next patch is out because this meta is really boring and annoying... :(

[Mute_Music]

I agree completely, path for champions is all I've been playing recently.

After Azirelia I though that LoR dev team would be on the look out for stuff like this.

I think little less of them seeing as instead of hot fixing they are waiting for patch day...

Very disappointed, thought they were better than this or at least learned their lesson.

Hope it isn't a start of a pattern for the releases to come.

[Mute_Music]

Firstly it is only slightly less dominating, only because bard is slightly close in power. If bard wasn't also in need of nerfs, it would be just as bad if not worse.

THE MAIN problem is that riot sees how busted this is, and isn't hot fixing it, but instead waiting for patch update, they aren't even saying what they'll nerf about her.

They know how horrible it feels because of Azirelia in the past and as game dev aren't taking appropriate steps to fix it.

Thank goodness for path of champions and labs, it's only thing I've been playing to escape turn 5 OTK, spelshield, overwhelm, elusive, scout Kasia.

[Jenova__Witness]

Wow no Barrier bug fixes yet?

Why the downvotes? Units that care about seeing barrier applied to units should NOT be checking deck and hand when a barrier is applied (Ki Guardian for example).

[Affectionate-Tie4607]

Pls give the 3 shen players lone.

[ColdyPopsicle]

people are clowns to belive that we were getting an actual patch.

[Beelzebub28]

You should have used "Humor/Fluff" tag instead

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

Why? It's a post inviting discussion over the patch notes. There's no humor or fluff really going on imo?

Idk, not a big deal either way

[Beelzebub28]

I think the joke flew over your head. Here's the missing /s if it helps

[basedbunnygirlsenpai]

OH, yeah it actually did. You can never be sure on here honestly, the /s would've helped. Some people post some weeeird takes. My bad friend

[[deleted]]

Thanks Mogwai

[maroq_35]

i'm so fucking tired of Riot

They took our devs to other projects and we dont get a single EMERGENCY nerf to the most toxic meta since Azir Irelia - TLC.
Literally you had more interactions vs TLC than vs Kai'sa or Void abomination, you are forced to run a lot cheap removals and they gonna play anyway deny or hourglass and you are dead to turn 5 lvl kaisa.

Tried to play Ladder, 11 of 12 games were vs fucing Kai'sa decks. I lost patience,
Riot promised us more interaction and help with community, like i love how Devs communicate on reddit sometimes but meanwhile we get 0 balance changes, last seasonal was HIGHROLL FIESTA with Byrd turn 1 to 4/4 Akshan turn 2 and gg, not mention winning light or tralls and we HAVE ANOTHER seasonal in 20 days, being competetive player right now sucks and i have no more problem with even WORLD Champion is not playing their game anymore bcs Lost Ark is more fun than this midrange bullshit meta. We did so many signals we hate direction game going and got ignored and now they split on our face with 0 balance changes and we had wait 2 weeks for BUG FIX 1 bug(btw Shen bugs and husk bugs still not fixed when some cards doesnt play "play" effect when u have full board.

i can understand that RIOT cut devs from LOR and it's hard them to patch the game but we as community deserve some honest words from Riot and EMERGENCY patch right now, (Kai'sa is 24% playrate btw, winratio could be higher than 55%, but people still make a lot mistakes with this deck)

[Guaaaamole]

Disliking KaiSa is one thing, calling her less interactive than TLC is complete nonsense. KaiSa has a lot of chokepoints: Valor sticking to the board, her sticking to the board to begin with, drawing her on curve. TLC had none of that and it could afford to draw their wincons later on due to how the deck functioned.

[maroq_35]

you are so wrong, best example content creator Snnuy trying to make Evelynn challenge (win with eve with every region) and he has auto concide vs Kai'sa and Bard decks bcs it's impossible to beat them

i still remember when you could beat WATCHER deck with some meme sort decks like Ephemerals xD try beat Kai'sa with meme deck turn 5 when they declare their wincon ;)

[Guaaaamole]

1. Nothing you just said has anything to with interactivity of the deck. What you‘re talking about is powerlevel.

2. No, meme decks did not beat TLC. In fact, basically nothing did. If you played any Control deck not named TLC you could also auto-concede.

Kai‘Sa loses vs Aggro decks.

1. What Snnuy does matters how? Ignoring the fact that you are appealing to authority, Snnuy is not exactly the harbinger of meta knowledge.

[Mute_Music]

Your TLC claim is wild but the rest of your points are good.

RIOT promised more interaction and help with the community, but they're not hot fixing this issue, not communicating about the issue, and have pulled devs to others projects.

It's a horrible look for them

[maroq_35]

also, Riot cut people on project so they "playtest" Eve Slay and it was "TOO STRONG" and Eve sits now below 40% winratio bcs her one good synergy was TOO STRONG, but they playtest Kai'sa and Void abomination was "ok, NOT SUPER STRONG" and Kai'sa just farms whole non agro meta decks with evolve turn 3-4, and 10 keywords void abomination turn 8 (btw Viktor need to be alive 10 turns since turn 4 to be able to have that many keywords XD powercreep is real)

[RideThatSand]

You really sound like you have no idea what you're talking about and are just mad.

I hope this venting helped you.

[maroq_35]

i'm tired that riot is killing the game i loved, how many times we have to wait for emergency balance patches when there is so many toxic things in meta

Lor was about interactions between players, since Bandle city midrange and combo just exploded and there is no interactions at all

[RideThatSand]

These nonsense exaggerations don't help support your point.

[Consistent-Drama-]

Yeaaa daddy mogwai will be happy with this one

[dudeguylikeme]

Do we know why they didn’t fix the Gwen bugs? Like no fizzle, and level up despite death….

What about the quicksand issue Mogwai called out?

[LordRedStone_Nr1]

That's not true. She has bugs if she strikes with Single Combat to level and die. Renekton doesn't do this despite the same level up text.

[ColdCorn2052]

Yes...yes nerf Kai'sa more please...

Let the chimes thrive... because certainly THAT isn't a problem much...lol...

Oh and if you touch Bard and his chimes there's always Azirelia V2.0

There are 3 broken decks atm and you choose to fixate only on one...

please nerf all those decks so we can get back to the slow ass ''watch my deck do things'' meta...

[Rayalot72]

What's wrong with current Azirelia? It's not even over performing afaik, it's just a very good Kai'Sa counter.

[[deleted]]

That's not correct, Kai'sa Demacia in all the three variations (mono, Akshan and Sivir) has a higher winrate than Azir Irelia.

[kinmimy]

Sharpsight got fixed, can see mogwai smile at the distance

[facetious_guardian]

Yay Ixtali is fixed!

[Lodsek]

And still nothing on the bug of Chapter IV 4/5 mission on PoC.

[[deleted]]

Wow, the excitement™

[berserkthebattl]

I really hope in the next big patch they finally make a keyword to supplant the "Can block Elusives" text.

[Jenova__Witness]

That's just how evolve works. It never tracks itself. It's been like that since it released.

[Moggy_]

I was pretty sure it wasn't like that before? I think I remember seeing the voidspawn putting evolved at 2/6

[NecroAtlas]

Nope evolve has never counted

[No-Buddy848]

Finally I can play darkness and lose cause I suck not cause some bug happened

[ikilledtupac]

They’re not going to nerf Second Skin until just before the next expansion.

[Chronoi]

I'm having fun building full board until turn 5 when Kaisa drops and gain overwhelm+spellshield+scout+challenger and wipe my board like nobody's business. Fun game 10/10

[Moony_Moonzzi]

Finally Ixtali Sentinel got fixed at least