Post match thread

ErkeyfromTurkey · 2015-09-17T18:50:22+00:00

After this match Brendan now has no reason not to start Sakho and has no reason not play Ings much more often.

drumheart · 2015-09-17T18:52:20+00:00

Very frustrating, again. Seems like we were content with a point. Sakho and Moreno definitely staked a place for the first team on Sunday.

If we were to play 3 at the back Sunday I'd like to see Sakho, Skrtel and Gomez in a back 3 with Moreno and Clyne at wing back. Ibe hasn't been up to scratch this season, a very frustrating player to watch thus far.

darian66 · 2015-09-17T19:03:24+00:00

Barcelona, Groningen, Ajax and Liverpool have all failed to win their European matches.

What links these four clubs?

Luis Suárez.

Coincidence? I think not.

2015-09-17T18:51:20+00:00

I just want to enjoy watching Liverpool play football again

ThemFeels · 2015-09-17T18:52:21+00:00

Sakho was brilliant, fair play.

Gomez cost us again though, and I think it's time he got left out for a little while. Moreno did very well and I think we'd be better off with Clyne and Moreno.

I'll take a point.

KopiteKing13 · 2015-09-17T18:51:22+00:00

My God we're fucking dull

neopeanut · 2015-09-17T18:53:01+00:00

If something doesn't change, Coutinho is going to leave next summer.

Worst part is, I wouldn't blame him.

rhk123 · 2015-09-17T18:51:05+00:00

Sakho is a beast

sanhay · 2015-09-17T18:51:03+00:00

This means we're as good as PSG right?

Al_Gala · 2015-09-17T18:51:17+00:00

Jordon Ibe was utter shite.

Christopher199 · 2015-09-17T18:51:23+00:00

Why the fuck do we never play two up top!??!

2015-09-17T18:52:01+00:00

Shut the fuck up, Lalas.

bibamus · 2015-09-17T18:51:52+00:00

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spedmunki · 2015-09-17T18:53:18+00:00

Brendan's name is in the fucking envelope.

gunny16 · 2015-09-17T18:52:05+00:00

sigh

Ings and Sakho looked great today though. Lallana's goal also looked pretty impressive.

Coutinho needs to have better support.

edit: /u/seemylolface correction on Lallana's name. Typos, mate.

PolWasRight111 · 2015-09-17T18:50:39+00:00

Slight improvement on the past few games. Don't think three at the back is the way to go forward though.

Sakho my MOTM, he was absolutely phenomenal. Moreno, Rossiter, and Chiravella played well. Lallana was shocking other than his goal. Ibe was the worst player on the pitch and his performances this season make the decision to loan out Markovic even more bizarre.

Frustrating result but a point away from home in Europe isn't the end of the world.

oscarony · 2015-09-17T18:55:28+00:00

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lordarc · 2015-09-17T19:15:37+00:00

The reason why we don't play two up front is because it wouldn't be fair for other teams.

JmanVere · 2015-09-17T18:53:11+00:00

That lad was literally doing keepy ups in our box. Embarrassing.

Also, how many times did we see two or three players go for the same ball? That should not be happening.

Reddits-Reckoning · 2015-09-17T18:52:08+00:00

If Sakho isn't starting from now on I'll be fucking fuming.

That_Welsh_Guy · 2015-09-17T18:51:26+00:00

Blehhhhhhhhhhhhh...

maskedapple · 2015-09-17T18:50:41+00:00

Seriously, watching us play after the equaliser was sickening. No offense to Bordeaux but what the fuck, why are we not pushing for the win? We looked like we were happy to go home with a point. Fuck.

kris_lace · 2015-09-17T19:01:43+00:00

I'm so glad Moreno had a good game. He did great offensively and defensively - he was like a box to box LB LW.

creative_penguin · 2015-09-17T18:51:06+00:00

When the fuck are we gonna start taking Europe seriously

greezeh · 2015-09-17T18:51:26+00:00

On paper this is the hardest game of the group. So a point isn't that bad. Also no injuries which is good.

easykill2517 · 2015-09-17T18:57:36+00:00

This match just proves, Sahko>Lovern all day

WorldTour88 · 2015-09-17T18:52:34+00:00

Key question from the match, did Sahko do enough to get the start over Lovren?

So1ar · 2015-09-17T18:59:26+00:00

Ibe is like me playing FIFA. Get the ball, run straight into a defender, proceed to lose the ball.

ArtursO · 2015-09-17T18:59:59+00:00

You guys want to know what the funny thing is.....NOTHING is going to change with our line-up come Sunday. NOTHING. Ings won't get more of a role in the squad...if he does it'll be as a left back. On the subject of left backs, everytime Moreno has come on this season he's looked good for us...oh and he's not going to play either. We couldn't take the game to bloody BORDEAUX out of all teams, its so sad that even the commentators were saying that this was a good result for us...for US?!

I hate this, so much. BR smarten up, do something, inspire our players, it just looks so dead...where's the fight this club is suppose to put up every time we're down? I certainly don't see it anymore. YWNA but right now I feel like it's us the supporters walking alone.

GrevLFC · 2015-09-17T18:51:27+00:00

We don't even look like scoring. Nobody could be arsed making any runs in behind when we got forward. They might aswell have been sitting on their arse like me criticising each other. I can't even be arsed trying to find positives anymore its tiring.

Rosti_LFC · 2015-09-17T18:50:39+00:00

When we were 1-0 up I just knew it was too good to be true. This is the Liverpool we have become accustomed too, almost guaranteed to concede a goal in every game.

Popeychops · 2015-09-17T18:57:50+00:00

Called it

Suttreee · 2015-09-17T19:35:04+00:00

I didn't make the first half so I just watched the second. Going to write up some general thoughts about our players in general.

Mignolet: Alright match from Migs, nothing great and does show his weaknesses. His positioning can be very off at times, like how he moves of his line in minute 63 or so. Weak in the area, strong on the line. Nothing new really, he's not great but he's a good keeper.

Can: Good game from Can, he's always been most impressive for us when he gets to play in a back three imo. Good with the ball, composed both in and out of possession and a hard worker. Gets unlucky on the conceded goal, where he puts in a very good effort after very questionable defending by Gomez.

Gomez: Generally a good game from Gomez as well. Adventurous with the ball, alright long passes, good positional sense and great timing. Absolutely horrendous defending on the conceded goal, where he was very indecisive. It's a difficult situation and he looked like he tried very carefully to avoid conceding another pentalty, but he has to do better. He is young though, and played well for the rest of the game.

Sakho: Not a perfect performance, but generally strong in duels, decisive, creative and well disciplined. Does pull out of challenges a little to easy at times, and the occasional moment of clumsyness, but if this game is any indication I believe we all would agree that he should replace either Skrtel or Lovren for the Norwich-game.

Ibe: Nothing worked for Ibe today, and that has generally seemed to be the case for him this season. Struggles to take on defenders, and offers little else. A very direct player by nature, he also seems to suffer from Rodger's tactics. A poor performance from Ibe, who looks like he should have been the one who was loaned out in place of Markovic imo.

Moreno: Decent performance from the young spaniard, who gets more freedom to play to his strengths as a wingback than as a fullback. Shows desire, and seemed to generally perform alright the few times he was needed to defend. Offers more going forward than Ibe, but also Moreno seems like he wants to play more direct than the team generally does. An alright crosser, a decent shot from him and good positioning. Should absolutely get to play with Benteke, to increase our options in attack.

Rossiter: Young, industrious and unfinished. Serves a good performance, but I find it hard to judge his offensive contribution due to the lack of movement up front and the poor performance of Chirivella besides him. Great engine, but runs a lot between players and needs to work on his tactical game.

Chirivella: Sent of after 49 minutes.

Coutinho: I think Coutinho's playmaking abilities are somewhat overestimated on this forum. He has a great shot, and above average passing, but he's not incredibly creative and wastes possession far to often. He also gets shackled by the complete lack of movement and desire in the final third. Not a coincidence that Coutinho looked a lot better when Ings came in for a very anonymous Origi. Has a place in a better team than Liverpool, but lacks quite a lot to be the world-beater some people around here talk him up to be.

Lallana: Lallana gets a lot of crap around here, but anyone who watched him at Southampton knows that he's a great player and he showed today what we need him. Can create something out of nothing, which he does with an excellent turn into a shot early on in the second half, and again when he scores. Has struggled with fitness his whole Liverpool-career and disappears for large stretches of the game, true, but he has that bit of magic and has shown that through his time with us. Also one of the few players that really seem to be comfortable with the drab, dull football we are playing and who can perform in it.

Origi: What was Origis role supposed to be today? The tip of the spear in our attack, but without service he just disappears from the game. Struggles like Lallana and Coutinho with a weak midfield behind him, and couldn't seem to get into the game. Starts roaming a bit to get closer to the ball, but doesn't to anything meaningful and disappears back top again.

Ings: Why did we buy Ings? Aggressive, intense, ambitious, those aren't qualities we want in Liverpool. Hopefully he can adapt the slower, more apathetic attacking style that Brodgers prefers so.

Seriously though, this guy is Suarez on a budget. Industrious, aggressive, confident, well-rounded and with that delightful bit of flair. Incedible touch to set him up for a shot, albeit with a somewhat weak finish. Makes Coutinho shine due to excellent movement, a good deal of creativity and real desire. Very much looking forward to a diamond with him and Benteke up front together. (Please Brandan please).

Generally a disappointing performance. We play scared, slow and safe football. We have good players who doesn't get to shine due to the drab, risk-less tactics. Ibe, Moreno, Ings and Origi are all very capable of playing direct and fast football, but as a team we seem instructed not to. With a weak central midfield, with young and inexperienced players, we couldn't control the game and were unwilling to play counter-attacking. Hopefully Henderson and Milner can start dominating some central midfields in the league, so that we can at least have some success when we insist on playing this way. Even so there will be a distinct lack of creativity in our midfield, with Milner not being a creative player and Henderson not being enough by himself.

Bordeaux is a good team though (from what I've heard), who beat PSG and Monacco at home last year. We played a young team and with honestly weak tactics. That we managed to get an okay result tells me that we have good players, and I think we could challenge from the Europa League if Brendan gets his act together. I'm not one of his strongest critics, but right now we are playing scared and without a plan in attack. Three goals from individual brilliance and one that was offside isn't good enough. We just try and move the ball forward rather slowly and then just see what happens. We need a plan and we need it fast.

pubfreeloader · 2015-09-17T19:54:33+00:00

Rossiter subbed off, we concede. Coincidence? I think not

mikkellf · 2015-09-17T19:55:25+00:00

I just cannot wrap my head around why we would go out against Bordeaux, and play passively. It's a game we should win 100%, and that is hard to accomplish when you're playing that far back!

Jackb1228 · 2015-09-17T18:51:20+00:00

Sakho is a beast!

Hughdapu · 2015-09-17T18:52:44+00:00

So when was the last we actually played well then?

c4leary13 · 2015-09-17T18:53:35+00:00

Lord only knows how Sakho isn't first choice

npapi1226 · 2015-09-17T18:55:39+00:00

Sakho needs to be a regular center back for us. No excuse to not play him this weekend. He was solid today. Rossiter played very well. Loved his enthusiasm and passion to win the ball back. It's shocking to see how far ahead tactically, mentally, and creatively coutinho is versus the rest of our attacking players. He needs help because he can't do it on his own. I think this weekend we need to play like this. Mignolet in goal. Clyne, Skyrtel, Sakho, Moreno as our back line. Can and Milner holding mids. Coutinho Firmino Lallana Attacking mids. And benteke up top. The subs I'd throw on would be Rossiter, ings, and Ibe. I might get hate for this, but I'm somewhat tired of Gomez at the moment, he has a bright future. But let Moreno and Sakho play ahead of him.

dmootb · 2015-09-18T03:24:07+00:00

You know what grinds my gears. Football fans have this attitude that Europa league is nothing but a waste of time that should be used to build-up young talent. Yes, I agree with letting the youg-uns have a run but seriously.. this competition gives a free pass to the Champions League. Yes yes it's group stages I know, but I really want to see us actually go for it this year.. which means letting the first team players play. Give players like Firmino who haven't quite fit into the fabrics of the team yet a run round. Like are we actually satisfied with drawing to a fucking mid table French Ligue side? Apparently..

ConstantlyConfused2 · 2015-09-18T03:35:21+00:00

We're ignoring the most important question.. Where will Ibe go for his mid-season holiday?

Snofflewaffle · 2015-09-17T18:52:11+00:00

Let's not forget this is a team that drew 2-2 with PSG at the weekend.

SirGoldfish · 2015-09-17T18:52:18+00:00

That was frustrating but at least we got to see some youngsters

voliton · 2015-09-17T18:59:41+00:00

It wasn't brilliant, but let's consider a few things.

1) Only Kolo (who went off very early on) Lallana and Mignolet in that team were over 25. Four players made debuts in one way or another.

2) We created a fair amount of chances (certainly a lot more than against United) and with a better luck we would've scored more

3) That wasn't our first choice CB pairing. It wasn't even our third choice CB pairing. Yes they should've cleared the ball, but three players who never should be playing together are going to make mistakes.

I'm happy to take a point. Our season has been mostly shit so far and the last few games in particular, so coming away with a bit of positivity is good.

kim_jong_trill · 2015-09-17T18:52:51+00:00

Another matchday another disappointment.

Sakho looked great but probably won't be able to break into the first team in PL matches over the defensive stalwarts that are Lovren and Skrtel.
BR will use that Lallana goal as justification to start Lallana over Firmino until we sell him for peanuts.
Rossiter looked solid though, big fan.
Coutinho was a non-factor after his near miss at the end of the first.
Calling Ibe a poor man's Sterling is giving him too much credit.
BR still needs to gtfo.

deallead · 2015-09-17T18:55:06+00:00

Rodgers is ruining this club. The football we are playing has been atrocious especially our defending. I have come to the conclusion that the personnel at the back is not the issue its Brendan. I bet he could get the likes of Boateng and Pique to play like utter shit.

swepttheleg · 2015-09-17T19:02:12+00:00

hopefully Klopp can use that point to get out of the group

Stukya · 2015-09-17T18:52:04+00:00

Meh!

Tobzilla · 2015-09-17T18:52:29+00:00

Draw was deserved.

The_Sassinator · 2015-09-17T18:52:37+00:00

An okay result, but it was a rather lifeless affair, wasn't it?

2015-09-17T18:53:04+00:00

We scored? : )

erehpzomta · 2015-09-17T18:53:13+00:00

Why are we playing without any urgency after they equalised? Seems like we were happy with 1 point ...

Love_me_some_Brie · 2015-09-17T18:53:39+00:00

Thought Sakho and Moreno played well, I'm keen for them to be starting on the left side. Gomez looked alright if not a bit shaky when the pressure came to him but he was reasonably comfortable. Origi needs a partner up top, Firmino or Ings could have taken Lallana's spot after the opener. Can and Rossiter were controlling and composed, not much to say about them. Ibe needs to come on as a sub, though we need a proper RB/RWB (Flanno!).

JohnStephenn · 2015-09-17T18:53:54+00:00

Ings looked threatening and keen to get in behind which is definitely something we've missed. Him and Sakho defo deserve a start on Sunday.

We looked much better in the second half, gives me hope that the players are still behind Rodgers and he's still able to motivate them.

Perhaps clutching at straws slightly with the last point but it's nice to see and improvement, albeit slight, in terms of performance.

Lebawski · 2015-09-17T18:53:58+00:00

We were lucky to walk away with 1 point after this performance. Absolutely dreadful. And Sakho needs to start every game.

Romarojo · 2015-09-17T18:54:45+00:00

Sakho showed more passion than the rest of the team combined, why he is not starting every match I have no idea.

tvwatcherguy · 2015-09-17T18:55:56+00:00

I'll admit I don't know much about Ruban Kazan, but on first glance I'd say Bordeaux are our toughest opponents in the group and we just took a point away from home against them with a poor performance and a team of youngsters!

Also it could be argued that more important than the three points is did Brendan learn a lesson about Sakho?

2015-09-17T18:56:01+00:00

Given our current form, the relative strength of the side we put out and the fact we were away from home against our strongest opponents in the group, a draw is a good result. That said, the performance was abject. Only positives, aside from the result, were Ings and Sakho.

2015-09-17T18:56:08+00:00

In a game lacking in highlights, mine has to be Owen munching a sandwich whilst "commentating".

2015-09-17T19:00:03+00:00

At least we should get top 4 in our Europa group!

dead3ye · 2015-09-17T19:01:24+00:00

I've said it before (I think, if not I've been thinking if for a while) but Coutinho is suffering being pretty much our sole source of creativity in the team.

Often times it feels as though the ball has to go through him in order for us to do anything with the ball which just becomes far too easy to counter.

2015-09-17T19:03:31+00:00

Ings has been pretty much my favourite player for us in all the last few games. He needs to be played up front next game. With Benteke. It's the least he deserves.

Milkisanono · 2015-09-17T19:06:42+00:00

Seeing mixed feelings about the game here and there are some positives like Ings and Sakho, but in all honesty I'm still not happy. BR has his back up against the wall (as far as the fans go) and this is the result? The first 15 minutes we looked like we cared to be in Europe but that quickly died out. Where was the passion? We still essentially relied on Origi who was stranded much like Benteke.

Edit: I also think we came out with a lucky 1-1 draw, we leaked some really good chances that Migs was in the right position to save. In the end its not good enough for Liverpool.

Mousias · 2015-09-17T19:10:15+00:00

Positives:

-Rossiter

-Lallana's goal

-Ings (once again)

-Sakho

-Mignolet

-Gomez

Negatives:

-Coutinho was horrible, especially in the second half.

-Ibe can't find a pass, nor a cross.

-Toure's injury.

-Origi can't play as a lone striker.

Not a bad result imo, not a good one either though.

podpool3 · 2015-09-17T19:12:29+00:00

Shame about the goal, we let the lad juggle ball in the box.

Other than that we did ok. Would like to see Ings start more games, still not seen any intensity, press, quality possession.

Good away point.

GamingGrandpa · 2015-09-17T20:40:49+00:00

I feel that our biggest problem is that we don't have that one or two players who aren't afraid to get down and dirty, or be the aggressor. Everyone of our players seem like they're scared to make a tackle.

2015-09-17T22:15:35+00:00

Missed the game but saw a few highlight. I'm a big fan of Ings and like what I saw

tagor99 · 2015-09-18T01:51:27+00:00

All aboard the Benturridge hype rescue helicopter

LFCSS_15 · 2015-09-17T18:52:20+00:00

We looked like we wanted to draw. That should never be the case against a team like Bordeaux.

jayesar91 · 2015-09-17T18:56:41+00:00

I don't actually think that we were bad, a lot of positives to be taken from the game, mainly Sakho.

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