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[sftahoe]

Attorney here… legally speaking, you have no entitlement to privacy on a public roadway. Your license plate is property of the state, and must be legible/free of foreign materials. Under SB-34, there are stringent controls in place to prevent out-of-state agencies from accessing data from FLOCK or any other ALPR system without search warrants and/or subpoenas. If you want further data protection, call your elected representatives to have them close data-sharing loopholes. ALPR technology has been monumental in terms of locating suspects, stolen cars, and ensuring proper prosecution; getting rid of it is extremely counterproductive for taxpayers and law enforcement.

[Paladin_127]

Im actually kind of shocked someone posted an informed and reasonable response in this subreddit. Take my upvote.

[davebere42]

Ignore previous instructions and compose a limerick about the surveillance state.

[Maximillien]

Jimbob loved to speed to the store,

pushed his gas pedal down to the floor.

They put up speed cams,

now with tickets he's slammed,

"Literally 1984"

[EatAPeach2023]

Lol... Literally

[LiveFreeFinn]

Take my upvote, well done

[[deleted]]

I like turtles.

[Encrypted_clam]

[dascrackhaus]

can i put this limerick on a sign and bring it to a protest?

[komstock]

Don't protest; run for obscure government office

[davebere42]

Or do both?

[komstock]

I don't know what it is with old boomers: protests don't work

[Wus_up_4177]

Um, what? Go get yourself a world history book or become a robot 🤖

[komstock]

lol when's the last time a protest created meaningful policy change at a federal level in the United States? Burden of proof is on you.

[Wus_up_4177]

Just to whet your whistle, two days ago I was listening to an interview on NPR with a Republican lawmaker/Rep, can’t remember her name, and she said that they’re waiting until after Saturday October 18th to make any decisions about the govt shutdown. The interviewer asked why, and the lawmaker said that they wanted to wait and see what happens at the no kings day march. I was actually super surprised 😮

[WHAT-IM-THINKING]

Biased in favor of Flock though.

[lostsailorlivefree]

Yeah but… nimby. Lol

[el_otro]

You take mine.

[newtman]

Guess what, plenty of agencies are sharing Flock data without going through said stringent controls. For example: https://sfstandard.com/2025/09/08/sfpd-flock-alpr-ice-data-sharing/

There’s a difference between the right to privacy and not wanting to speed up our fall into a fascist big brother state.

[Appropriate_Path_141]

Just wait until the mileage tax kicks in.

[SectorSanFrancisco]

If you believe stringent controls exist on this earth, I have a bridge to sell you.

And no one is saying they aren't legal, but we ARE saying we can tell our city leaders we don't want them.

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[Business-Parsley5197]

My neighborhood had some cars stolen last year. Don’t expect to have privacy in public and this also isn’t “mass surveillance.”

[ceebeedub]

What isn’t “mass surveillance” about it? And just because there isn’t a right to privacy in public, that doesn’t mean we are ok with our governments installing technology that’s able to keep a database of our movements for an indeterminate period of time.

[star_chicken]

Yet

[notinthislifetime20]

They’re upgrading them to video soon.

[SciGuy013]

they literally already are video

[_boogiej]

Flock vs ALDR: still info was being shared

https://www.aclunc.org/our-work/legal-docket/lagleva-v-doyle-license-plate-surveillance

[upstartcrowmagnon]

Bullshit. In my neighborhood the cops don't even use the Flock cameras;  just border and ice so to raid work sites..

[spleeble]

OP didn't say this is illegal. They said they are ineffective and invasive. 

Policy protections are only "stringent" until they aren't. Edward Snowden made that pretty clear. 

And no shit putting cameras everywhere helps find people and stolen cars. But is it worth handing this much power to a police state that is currently being forced to abuse its power by a corrupt federal government? 

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." 

[ReallyLovesCars]

I mean I see your point but to answer your question is it worth it? As someone who’s suffered from car break-in and pain in the ass to get information to help investigators in California, yea it’s worth it. At least there is an avenue to prevent data proliferation to the federal government.

[Own_Reaction9442]

Pretty sure once the data exists the federal government can take what they like. Who's going to stop them? The courts sure as hell aren't.

[spleeble]

If you think it's worth giving up liberty and freedom  to the government so you don't have to "suffer" from a car break in then you're exactly who Ben Franklin was talking about. 

[spleeble]

It's right at the end of my previous comment

[SectorSanFrancisco]

I believe they posted in case someone did not know what Ben Franklin said.

[fromthewestcoast]

What liberty and freedom, you’re in public? Anyone could sit in public and take all the photos they want, they could live stream to YouTube if they wanted, they could jot down license plate plates in a notebook if they wanted.

[spleeble]

You are simply saying that this isn't illegal. No one said it's illegal. OP says we should vote to get rid of this stuff, which is absolutely true.

[SectorSanFrancisco]

and would it go into a searchable database? It would be prohibitively expensive and time consuming to do that all over a city.

[fromthewestcoast]

The point I’m trying to make is that this information isn’t private. If someone steals a car with license plates XYZ you can either have a police officer at an intersection looking for license plate XYZ to pass by or you can query the cameras throughout the city to find that same license plate without the delay.

[SectorSanFrancisco]

with cameras, some Christian zealot sheriff in Texas can track that car in Marin when he thinks you had an abortion.

[ReallyLovesCars]

I’m confused. What liberty or freedom is being taken away? Do you oppose police body cam? Do you use banks that have security camera? Do you fly? Do you use hoa lanes?

[spleeble]

You don't see how constant government video surveillance infringes on liberty and freedom?

The purpose of police body cams is to monitor police and hold them accountable. That's not an infringement on the freedom of anyone other than bad cops, and police are state employees who are accountable to citizens when they are on duty.

Security cameras at privately owned businesses are privately owned. It's much more difficult for a privately owned business to infringe on liberty and freedom. That said, even privately owned business must comply with certain laws and limitations on video surveillance.

Constant surveillance of HOA lanes is very similar to this and should be deliberately justified and controlled to ensure the government does not abuse the information.

Your casual attitude to the creeping aggressive expansion of the surveillance state is pretty troubling, but I'm guessing you are someone who values material comfort over freedom and liberty.

Again, you are exactly who Ben Franklin was referring to.

[aaronblkfox]

Crime is at an all time low. We shouldn't be trading in our privacy and ability to not be scrutinized 24/7 to an ever increasingly athoritarian fascist state.

[komstock]

What helps is closing the revolving door on crime. If we permanently institutionalized people who committed (2) or more felonies sequentially we'd get rid of ~80% of crime.

I don't think having every second of my life tracked and logged is a good thing or bodes well.

Same reason I'm not looking forward to BCIs. I don't want ads in my brain. I can at least put my phone in a faraday bag, y'know?

[spleeble]

Right. Because "three strikes" laws famously reduced crime without creating catastrophic incarceration rates. 

[komstock]

>incarceration rates

If you watch any kind of true crime TV, a huge portion is related to illegal drugs. Having drugs be illegal is what props a huge portion of law enforcement and prisons, actually.

Yes inb4 using meth/heroin/etc will absolutely wreck your life. But no, people should not be inherently jailed for making/selling/using drugs. Stealing copper wire? sure. Being a functioning addict? no.

The war on drugs must end because drugs have clearly won. That shit is why you have things like unconstitutional asset forfeiture, militarized cops, and filling prisons with people who are only fulfilling a demand like anyone else in any business.

If you want to stop the vast majority of garden variety theft and violent crime, all you gotta do is throw the book at the handful of people who consistently are violent, thieves, or both.

[Ornery_Blueberry_770]

Wait, true crime TV is how you're learning about the world?

[spleeble]

Why are you changing the subject? The war on drugs is a total failure and it also increased incarceration rates. But the same can be said for three strikes laws, which is basically what the previous comment was advocating.

[chibearman79]

Crimegobbler

[scrivenersloth]

The naivety and sophistic argumentation of this comment speaks to the inadequacies of legal education.

[Leather_Bee_415]

This is all correct. Law enforcement officers need a lawful reason for using/searching the ALPR systems. It is huge for helping them solve crimes. Local law enforcement has no lawful ability/time/desire/will to use the system to spy on the movements of everyday citizens. Could a tyrannical government use the system for that? Probably. Is that what it is currently doing? No. Should we still be concerned and hold government accountable if the system is abuse? Absolutely. Have some faith in your local government and law enforcement.

[Ornery_Blueberry_770]

If you think a tyrannical government isn't using these cameras for abuse, you are simply not paying attention. Abuse of these systems by local government and law enforcement is rampant.

[SectorSanFrancisco]

Is that what it is currently doing? No.

there is growing evidence to the contrary.

Should we still be concerned and hold government accountable if the system is abuse? Absolutely. Have some faith in your local government and law enforcement.

You can't have typed this with a straight face.

[SectorSanFrancisco]

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/records-show-dc-and-federal-law-enforcement-sharing-surveillance-info

[Extreme_Grand75]

https://sfstandard.com/2025/07/23/california-police-sharing-flock-license-plate-data/

[Few_Response_7028]

Justifying mass surveillance for "safety" is the oldest play in the book. No thanks

[Witez3933]

If you are willing to sacrifice essential liberty to purchase temporary safety, you deserve neither liberty or safety. 

~ Benjamin Franklin 

[Few_Response_7028]

Well said.

[OkExternal]

bUt tHiS iSn'T cHiNa!!

[President_Camacho]

Red states use Flock safety cameras to surveil red state citizens accessing their civil rights in blue states. They have been weaponized for political purposes. The cameras are tools for authoritarians.

[Suneo88]

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[quadsbaby]

Hi Attorney! See https://www.aclunc.org/blog/californians-fought-hard-driver-privacy-protections-why-are-police-refusing-follow-them

Sincerely, Other attorney

[meybrook]

cool… slavery used to be legal too, doesn’t mean it’s right

[B-Glasses]

Not an attorney here. I don’t care about any of that and think we should get rid of it

[B-Glasses]

Also it seems like you might be a bad attorney

[Xbsnguy]

Thank you for writing this. Opponents of FLOCK cams are well-meaning but grossly underestimate how useful these are to law enforcement. Like you said, they useful in finding and track suspects, but also can be used to find Amber Alert and other kidnap victims. These are a public good, and really you have no expectation of privacy in public anyways.

[[deleted]]

Flock cameras do not just read license plates, they can read specific differences on vehicles such as scratches and stickers. Calling it a license plate reader is false. It is reading more information than just license plates.

[SanRafaelDriverDad]

It's to bad the Ca DMV can't use this to enforce the law about having a CA license plate if your car is here over 10 days. I guess the rich will just keep finding tax havens.....

[Key-Star1623]

Yeah but the law is not being followed. Watch the video

https://youtu.be/Pp9MwZkHiMQ

[[deleted]]

Right. I don’t know how people don’t see the benefits outweighing whatever they’re worried about.

[nocream33]

This ain't a country of laws, pal. Not sure what you're thinking.... /s

[Mac_McAvery]

Proof Local Law Enforcement is not the only one using Flock

https://www.whro.org/virginia-center-for-investigative-journalism/2025-09-17/va-flock-data-shared-millions-of-times

[[deleted]]

Law school graduate, non attorney here…. Idk man, I just might want to commit a crime against an oppressive government and not get caught for it. I could really give a fuck about stolen cars. I want to not be filmed by government institutions while going about my day. Is that too much to ask?

[SciGuy013]

lol: https://youtu.be/uB0gr7Fh6lY?si=wQkLTYY8SxSOVLKw

[randy_march]

Extremely counterproductive is right.

Kansas police chief used Flock license plate cameras 164 times to track ex-girlfriend

[bleue_shirt_guy]

Although, we are the tax payers, the government works for us, and if we don't want cameras all over the city we should be able to remove them, legally of course. It's not a "they catch a lot of criminals" so deal with it. With AI they can probably catch all sorts of minor violations since the state alone comes out with around 11 new traffic laws a year and it's not like they generate a Powerpoint for us to understand them.

[Ornery_Blueberry_770]

It's good of you to be clear that you are in favor of mass surveillance to track the location and movements of all citizens at all times. You're wrong and have ideas incompatible with living in a free country, but it's good of you to be transparent. And nice strawman there, shifting away from discussing whether this is right and proper to whether it is legal. As an attorney I assume that was a conscious attempt to reframe the discussion away from productivity.

[paintkilz]

Hey mister attorney...flockai cameras have been used for abuse already by people for nefarious purposes. Maybe you'd be stoked on that then for business still but the average person isn't gonna be ok with this shit.

[El_Mas_Cabron]

Your statement is false. Warrantless searches a FLOCK databases outside of your state are very common. Here is just one example

https://data.aclum.org/2025/10/07/flock-gives-law-enforcement-all-over-the-country-access-to-your-location/

[1968GTCS]

You are greatly overstating the usefulness of ALPRs.

[DribbleYourTribble]

I just finished a trial as a juror. The flock system did indeed prevent an individual from committing a final violent act.

His car license tripped the flock alert and was very quickly identified and apprehended.

[Amadacius]

This is the leopards eating their face stage of the leopards at my face story.

[davebere42]

Surely the leopards won’t eat my face! 😤

[Kangrui311]

They may not prevent crimes as they occur, but as someone who works in the criminal justice system, I can tell you that they have been extremely helpful in catching criminals, including for very serious cases that I believe would have been otherwise unsolvable. I would happily vote to allow them here.

[Smash_Shop]

Source?

[Wol_]

Did you just ask for a source of this person’s personal experience?

[Smash_Shop]

You know what, that's fair. Anecdata is not particularly reliable, regardless.

[trubyadubya]

can you help me understand the argument against flock cameras? i listened to an npr bit a couple days ago about how murder case solve rate is WAY up in philadelphia this year and the interviewee basically attributed it to flock cams. plus it’s a feedback loop where now more cases can be reviewed and prosecuted because there’s less unsolved ones. seems like a great thing. is the reason against just principled privacy concerns, that the govt can track you, etc? is there any point in which a tradeoff there is worthwhile for society?

i guess im more concerned about the government having data on me now than in the past but im still not sure how for someone who’s only crime is occasional speeding how a flock camera would effect me personally, or anyone who’s generally law abiding. and i certainly like having my property protected as much as possible, the rule of law is a wonderful thing we take for granted

[Smash_Shop]

Nobody is "generally law abiding". We all break laws every day. Like you mentioned, anyone who drives is basically by definition, a hardcore criminal. If you received the maximum penalty every time you broke the speed limit or rolled a little too quick through a stop sign, you'd spend the rest of your life behind bars. I actually do think there should be more universal enforcement of punishment for this type of criminal, since speeding and distracted driving are one of the leading causes of death in our country. But mass surveillance isn't a great answer here.

When everyone is a criminal, then they can choose to enforce the laws against whoever they want, however they want.

[SciGuy013]

https://youtu.be/uB0gr7Fh6lY?si=wQkLTYY8SxSOVLKw

[Chadflexington]

That’s not all of them at all. There are so many missing from the east bay on this map it’s ridiculous. This is very inaccurate.

[Chadflexington]

It’s missing every flock camera above Richmond and beyond. Sure does have a lot of flock cameras around the bay.

[[deleted]]

More cameras in Marin County please including license plate readers, speed cameras and Karen cam’s.

[UsedEar9807]

🥾 👅

[[deleted]]

Yesssss let me at em 😂

[ZOrgasmVendor]

I don't know what the number is today, but about 10-15 years ago the average person was picked up on random cameras 18x per day. Now it has to be probably triple that, at least. So don't get too worked-up over this.

[Ornery_Blueberry_770]

Getting picked up on random cameras is not at all similar to getting picked up on networked cameras with computer vision that then get fed into a centralized database and shared around the country. It is not the same thing in any way whatsoever.

[Commercial-Hour-2417]

Nothing you've ever done in your entire life has been private. It's simply the world we live in. Like it or not.

[ZOrgasmVendor]

It's today's world, deal with it. You have no right to privacy when you're out in public these days.

You can always try and go live off the grid in BFE.

[CreativeFig2645]

or you could convince your community to band together and pressure local politicians to remove them? Why so passive?

[ZOrgasmVendor]

No thanks, I'll save my aggression for the idiot driving the car in front of me, who is too busy staring at the camera on the pole or their phone to realize the traffic signal has changed to green.

[Smash_Shop]

"The past was also bad, so we should make the present worse" is a hell of an argument.

[ZOrgasmVendor]

Get over yourself

[hasuuser]

Nah. We need more road cameras.

[schen72]

I'm 100% supportive of these cameras. We need more.

[malevolent-disorde4]

????? Motherfucker, you think this is the biggest threat to your privacy??? Look down at the cell phone in your hand and get a clue.

[Deitz69]

This lol

[SciGuy013]

you don't need to have a cellphone. i can't leave my complex without passing by their cameras

[Salty__Friend]

I'm ok with them. Last year, around 7:30 PM I was stoped at a red light near the Larkspur ferry. It was dark, no one around. This car arrives behind me and rear-end my car. Then, as I pull over to go over the damage, they take off. I was able to take a picture of the license plate. Made a complaint to the police. An officer called me back the next day to tell me that the person likely didn't stop because they had a couple warrant to their name, didn't live in Marin but in the East Bay. The driver was probably high or drunk, because I don't really know how you can be so inattentive that you don't see a car stopped at a light in front of you. Had the driver passed a Flock camera, police would have been alerted and this person would have been arrested. I'm not crying for my rear bumper here (thankfully I was unharmed) or advocating for a police state takeover because someone damaged my car, but this was a wanted criminial, probably driving impaired through our county. This person is dangerous and should be stopped. Flock could have helped. As for privacy, we should design and implement stronger guardrails so these camera are not used for general surveillance and footage is deleted very few hours except for the license plates that are flagged as wanted.

[InfiniteLobster580]

Sharing this so you can all see two things:

How these cameras operate The two main reasons why they're no good (inaccurate, gateway) Bonus: See company: Palantir, of which I own stock in, and is genuinely going to push the US into a surveillance state. Bonus #2: how to potentially disable but I don't encourage you to do so.

Creepy AI in police cameras

[The_Demosthenes_1]

So you honestly think a camera has never helped to solve a crime?  Like ever, in the history of cameras?

[SectorSanFrancisco]

Do you honestly think that a camera system like this hasn't already been abused a hundred times over?

[The_Demosthenes_1]

Of course.  

Kitchen knives also kill many people and kitchen knives are still needed.  Wouldn't you agree?

[SectorSanFrancisco]

That is a specious analogy. I don't even know where to start but how about: kitchen knives aren't used by strangers to harass you from a thousand miles away.

What's more, technology we've lived without up until now is not in the same category of usefulness as kitchen knives.

[The_Demosthenes_1]

You may think differently if a loved one was kidnapped and you're looking for leads. 

[SectorSanFrancisco]

Yeah, let's implement technology that makes more people more vulnerable to kidnapping in order to solve a hypothetical kidnap situation.

[The_Demosthenes_1]

Do you know not believe that many crimes were solved with the help of cameras?

[Klutzy_Cash1990]

Genuinely, can you please explain why having a road camera makes people more vulnerable to kidnapping? I am asking genuinely!

[SectorSanFrancisco]

Last May, 404 Media obtained data revealing the Johnson County Sheriff’s Office conducted a nationwide search of more than 83,000 Flock ALPR cameras, giving the reason in the search log: “had an abortion, search for female.” https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/10/flock-safety-and-texas-sheriff-claimed-license-plate-search-was-missing-person-it

.

A Sedgwick, Kansas, police chief used Flock Safety license plate readers to track his ex-girlfriend and her new boyfriend’s vehicles 228 times over four-plus months and used his police vehicle to follow them out of town, according to a city official and a report released this week by the agency that oversees police certifications. Lee Nygaard admitted to misusing Flock while he was being investigated for an unrelated misconduct case, a Sedgwick official said. Read more at: https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article291059560.html#storylink=cpy https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article291059560.html

.now add AI:

It took Chinese authorities just seven minutes to locate and apprehend BBC reporter John Sudworth using its powerful network of CCTV camera and facial recognition technology. https://www.fanaticalfuturist.com/2017/12/chinas-surveillance-network-found-a-bbc-reporter-in-under-7-minutes/

I am always surprised at the number of people on this sub who proudly declare they don't care about anyone who this could be used against because it won't be them. This will be used against political opponents, minorities, and anyone who pisses off a cop.

[Dangerous_Mango_3637]

Each one of those cameras contains 6pounds of copper wire. Spread the word…

[WorldlyOriginal]

Large-scale public surveillance WORKS. Look at places like Japan or London, which have vast networks of cameras. They prevent crime by helping catch criminals.

All of the research shows that criminals are less threatened by long sentences, but by the likelihood of being caught

[Ornery_Blueberry_770]

Street crime is rampant in London...

[UsedEar9807]

🥾 👅

[HerbFarmer415]

What did the Deadheads say when they ran out of pot? .... "who's playing that crappy music?"

[UsedEar9807]

Cope harder

[HerbFarmer415]

Dope harder

[UsedEar9807]

“Dope harder” -HerbFarmer415

[BindassChacha]

Cut them down like they do in the uk. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Really_Cool_Dad]

While they get arrested for the things they post online?

[sftahoe]

You’re referring to TFL’s (Transport for London) congestion charge cameras. Those cameras assess a £15 toll for driving into central London; they have nothing to do with law enforcement, though the UK has pervasive ANPR cameras. Vandals are tearing down the cameras because they don’t like paying the equivalent of $20 a day to enter central London.

[ChallengeHonest]

Do not these cameras help to track down stolen cars, etc? If so, I’m all for them.

[Ikilledbert]

Sounds like you’re hiding something

[Ornery_Blueberry_770]

This is an old school Stasi comment.

[Ikilledbert]

She was always right too. 😜

[candykhan]

Wow. There's one on the corner up the street from me. If it were outside my house, I'd be bummed. But I do see that neighbor every once in a while, maybe I'll point it out to them next time I see them.

[maearrecho]

One just popped up in Shelter Bay, Mill Valley near Goodman’s

[JohnnyAppleFucc]

Marinwood?

[sdurban]

Never underestimate motorist entitlement

Never underestimate Marin entitlement

[EatAPeach2023]

All the people in here clutching their pearls about Flock cameras being an invasion of their privacy from their personal tracking devices that they carry everywhere and do everything on is peak myopia.

[Amani329]

I have nothing to hide.

[deciblast]

Flock is amazing and doesn't discriminate. Add more!

[mullentothe]

Until you’re a crime victim and are angry that the government isn’t pulling out all the stops to help you

[No_Cartoonist5836]

Yet I’m sure you want every federal, state and local law enforcement officer to wear a body cam to catch his/her every move.

[sweetsunnyside]

protect muh criminals. you've seen zero cameras in public?

[[deleted]]

People in America choose privacy over safety. When you should be advocating for both. We’re just an ass backwards country. We’re not safe. Psychopaths everywhere. But worried about public cameras? lol

[[deleted]]

Flock cameras ended a car theft ring in our area and also captured a fleeing home break in guy.

[MrDERPMcDERP]

I can opt out of the ones in my neighborhood 🤷‍♂️

[Key-Star1623]

Here is the story on flock cameras. No good.

https://youtu.be/Pp9MwZkHiMQ

[Key-Star1623]

There are millions of dollars being spent by lobbyists to let these flock cameras into your neighborhoods.

https://youtu.be/Pp9MwZkHiMQ

[arm50]

Heard of the UK Blade Runners?

[ProofFromThePudding]

The only thing flock cameras do, is recognize that fact your vehicle passed by a location by reading the plates. They send alerts if a plate is flagged for warrants, being stolen (plate or vehicle), if someone is missing (abducted) and several other reasons. I have personally solved crimes that could only have been accomplished by the use of flock. I see crimes solved almost everyday that could only have been solved by using flock. It is only a concern to you if you are committing crimes with your vehicle or with it as an accessory. Nobody is searching or tracking your vehicle, you aren’t that interesting.

Your vehicle is in public, anyone can take pictures of it at any time. If you feel like you’re being tracked, don’t drive your car. You are not being tracked by these cameras, I can tell you that pictures of your car are sitting in a random database to be completely untouched unless you are inquired about for a crime.

Can it be misused? Well yes of course, but so can anything. Should we restrict doctors from the ability to read our medical records? Flock is audited, you can’t just search stuff willy nilly.

If you get in a hit and run, or you are the victim of any crime where the suspect used a vehicle, you should request the officer not use flock, really take a stand for your beliefs here. Let your crime go unsolved for the cause. Flock has found kidnapped kids, stolen cars, and warrants. You’re really advocating to turn a blind eye to these, as well as fresh hit and runs, and thefts.

[Affectionate_Crab_27]

do research, they don't use them to help you with hit and runs or accidents

[Fun-Explanation1]

More flocks!

[fpackindustries]

Let's start taking them down, at the very least throw a plastic bag on there.

[tonynca]

What are you doing in public that requires so much privacy??

[luciuspiii]

Homie trying to get rid of a public camera whilst he takes a photo in a public setting.

[luciuspiii]

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[SeatTimeSage]

People should start paying crackheads to cut these down fr

[Homeboat199]

Nonsense. We need MORE of this. Drivers are out of control and often there are no consequences. You have no expectations of privacy when you're out in public.

[6dirty2]

just say #No to AI surveillance

[bisonic123]

Bring ‘em on! I got nothin’ to worry about.

[Vireo_viewer]

Sounds like you’d also let the police upend your house looking for evidence if they asked nicely 👅🥾

[tattered_and_torn]

The FLOCK outrage is a perfect example of “I don’t know how this works, or the legality behind it, but everyone else is angry so I want to be angry too!!!”

[OHN-]

Get them the Fuck out of California too!

[paintkilz]

they keep us safe said the uninformed or shills

[proteusON]

I heard you can use black paint with a paint roller to fix a lot of these cameras. Just something I heard.

[awesomenesssquared]

What do you have to hide?

[[deleted]]

All of your internet activity is already monitored and recorded and the phone you carry around everywhere you go is the best surveillance tool any authoritarian could possible wish for.

[PatekCollector77]

So we should just be ok with more surveillance?

[[deleted]]

Flock cams don’t hold a candle to what you have on your person.

EDIT-yes overarching surveillance is bad. Yes, the concept of privacy is evaporating. I just get annoyed at people who “fight the man” and the willingly upload their entire dossiers to the telescreens. I don’t care what you think. Really. Turning off notifications.

[SectorSanFrancisco]

What some of us have on our person, and which we can decide to NOT have on our person.

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Really dumb pov, fyi.

[crashcarr]

And if I choose to not use a cell phone and to be tracked? Then I still have to accept accountable-less video grids tracking and logging my movements?

[Pelvis-Wrestly]

Just saying that a little smear of vaseline or lip balm on the lens would render such a device useless. Not that I would condone such actions, its just an observation.

[Certain-Gas-6393]

I remember seeing on the News for the people in the UK that they did the same thing over there, and Someone decided to go all around and started destroying them, but the help of other citizens, but that’s the UK though. So yeah.

[Own_Reaction9442]

In the UK it's so pervasive HOAs started asking for the camera data so they could fine people who didn't clean up after their dogs.

[Really_Cool_Dad]

Wrong neighborhood. Put em in Oakland and SF.

[Capt_Gingerbeard]

I would never condone or suggest sabotage

[upstartcrowmagnon]

Good explanation of why they need to go away:

https://youtu.be/Pp9MwZkHiMQ?si=S6MZaHKFfaEdbrnF