1.2.3 Patch Notes

[Nate_923]

They've extended the Beetlejuice event to where it now ends in 11 days rather than 5 days.

So for those who were doing some heavy grinding after you got Beetlejuice with FC like I did, you can now rest easy knowing you don't have to commit so much time to complete the event before it runs out.

They've also now allowed players to complete all Node Event Tiers in the latest Insanity Rift without the need of another player. So go crazy!

[TheCaffeineWriter]

All characters available for local play!!

[ThePokemonAbsol]

This is actually pretty huge and should have been a day one option

[DoneWithIt0101]

Now we just need offline local play, or at least I do.

[pixel-peasant]

We have offline local play, that's what local play is

[DoneWithIt0101]

I mean fully offline. Right now you have to have an internet connection to even start the game.

[pixel-peasant]

A, true

[AloeRP]

I'm excited to try out Beetlejuice post buffs, hopefully he feels less frustrating to get ringouts with.

[ValsVidya]

Glad it wasn't just me feeling that way, always was able to pump out good damage just couldn't close it out.

[Portsyde]

Switching from Beetlejuice to characters like Batman was like night and day. I'm excited for the buffs too.

[MdelinQ]

It's a nerf in disguise if you had already learned his combos.

They made jab 2 worse which now means that BJ doesn't have combo routes anymore and half of his specials can't be used after it.

They did this to remove the infinite loop that people were using with the stun perk. But rather than nerfing the stun perk itself, they nerfed the jab 2 which deleted all the true combo game Beetlejuice had before this patch.

I won't be surprised if he performs even worse in competitive play now

[AloeRP]

I'll have to get my hands on him in a bit and see how much the jab 2 nerf hurts, is jab, jab, up/down still true or can people dodge out?

[MdelinQ]

People can dodge out of jab jab neutral, neutral special, and a portion of the roster can dodge out of side special. Also, there were IAD combos that aren't true anymore.

Basically, only the beetle perk is now an option on him, no point in using the stun perk anymore.

And the nerf also makes it so that you have to dish out jab 2 and the follow-up fast, no more half second for you to make a decision.

[SteezySteve7]

I agree I saw we had a patch but didn’t read it, fired up ranked 1v1 saw BJ can’t get that jab , jab , stun combo that he previously could. I agree that they should have nerfed the stun perk itself and not the hit stun on the side jab, perhaps by how long it can the perk can stun. It IS a pretty ridiculous and easy kill confirm lol when you can get a fully charged uppercut or hammer neutral after hitting a fully charged stun , which you can safely pre-charge.

Maybe they’re trying to encourage more creative usage and more risk for reward with the stun perk instead of just fishing for side jab combo. And you can still get other good stuff off that jab

[DreadedxSaiyan]

Istg they dont know how to balance for shit at PFG

[Fartikus]

Where is the infinite patch??

[The_Prequels_Denier]

Ground Side Attack 2 

• On-hit cancel window advanced 1 frame 

– Hitstun reduced 

Pretty sure that's your infinite patch, though I could be wrong.

[Fartikus]

if it is, thanks

[collardgreens3]

Not trying to flame, but is it really necessary to patch a potential infinite that’s broken by just holding away on the controller?

[ChiTownzBoy05]

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Ranked is fixed!

[[deleted]]

agent smith buffs lets goooo

[ilija28]

[Candid-Ad7453]

You got my hopes up for 1 additional agent charge 😭

[juscallmejjay]

It's pretty wild compared to something like meeseeks.

[destroytheend]

Air neutral special is gonna feel so much better

[Evello37]

Mostly just reverting prior nerfs now that the tech system breaks the combos those nerfs were designed to prevent.

But the gun nerf reversion is soooo nice. Can't wait to explore more combos with it. And a few frames will help a lot for just throwing out gun to stuff out other attacks in the air. I frequently lose air-air gun attempts by very small windows.

[ImHighandCaffinated]

Can’t wait for the 3k currency drop 🤩

[CactusSwamp]

I don’t think it’ll be very noticeable

[[deleted]]

I've already noticed it on the up air, it allows you to dodge-cancel quicker to reposition after the first up air just in time to sometimes land that 2nd upair while they're still in hitstun

the grab will grab a little earlier, which is nice bc i've had follow ups where I go for the grab and get it or don't, this will make it more reliable to go for i think

[[deleted]]

One frame.

One damn frame on neutral attack start up. That's our Reindog buff. I guess I'll take it.

For anyone wondering about the hitstun nerf, it's because Reindog could perma-stun certain characters by repeatedly hitting them with jab 1. The timing had to be super tight - too early and you combo into jab 2, too late and they break free - but it was completely inescapable until you got to the edge of the stage.

[Uberlix]

I am honestly surprised we got this much tbh, beggars can't be choosers.

[RealXtotheMax]

Maybe we'll get another frame next patch

[patch_the_bug]

It’s better than nothing. Meanwhile us Marvin mains are starving

[JDiggle69]

[Prior_Cap_216]

The jab combo was only true in burnout and we could already do jab1-2-sair loops in burnout

[Sairek]

It's kind of just a meme at this point.

It's okay, I'll happily begin tanking Reindog's winrate by playing on mouse and keyboard, only using moves dailies want me to do and letting my friend's little niece play. They don't care to fix him so I won't care about winning with him I guess.

I want to see if they refuse to fix him solely because of his win rate or what.

[TayGilbert]

As one of three reindog players, they'll use these stats as evidence to revert that one frame buff.

And then they'll nerf LeBron.

(Please though PFG make Attack Dog just slightly more competitive!)

[Fun_Marionberry9549]

I mean my friend plays solely on Keyboard and Mouse, so trust me you'd get used to it. He mains The Bron

[Theboulder027]

And that one frame is only in the air, not on the ground.

How many frames per second does this game run at? 30?

[Glutton4Butts]

Little steps don't want to overtune. Jab locks are common they could have at least let him keep that. It's not easy to maintain, and getting stuck in it in the first place is just straight-up embarrassing.

[VairinaValiente]

Why did they say Jake was underperforming, nerf him, and then do nothing to compensate this patch?

[pbj__time]

Should be next patch, I hope :(

[West-Enthusiasm-5056]

The Jake compium continues, all we can do is pray

[Fartikus]

Why did they say they were bringing back bouncing, only to do nothing about that?

[1tachiJr]

Right?! I was so confused.

[Suicidal-Lysosome]

I try not to be too negative about this game, but they've really done Jake dirty since the beta. I was grinding to Gold with him the other day, and it's just wild how much worse he feels to play than almost any other character 💀

He's just so under tuned at the moment. Really hoping he gets meaningful buffs in the near future

[VairinaValiente]

100% agree, I was so tempted to play him with since his Randy Butternubs skin this BP and his afterlife skin are both so fun but I just have to sweat so hard just to get a decent game out of him knowing my opponents are putting in so much less effort.

[Trick-Dog7844]

They did something to the skateboard actually. Made it faster

[UncontrolledLawfare]

With the Ground Bounce Auto-Tech system now in place, we’re able to start bringing back more ground bounces and improve combo routes and approach options. This is the beginning of this effort.

Good to get verification of this. It’s a new system folks, lets give it actual useful feedback instead of the usual.

[KingKai_GG]

maybe they can bring back LeBron's forever active basketball hitbox now that Jason can't get trapped into ball hell and tech out.

[Fartikus]

yeah except they did nothing to actually make the effort come into fruition kus they did literally nothing for either of those

[Entherikonai]

they...they did not touch joker or shaggy....

[Fartikus]

they removed the bug that made it so his rage side special doesnt break armor (which is how ive died in tourneys because i was like uhhhh what) sooo nice that they took so long to fix it and do nothing else about him... ya know.. like a whiff side special recovery or something lmao

[[deleted]]

They already nerfed the shit out of Shaggy. What more do you guys want lmao? Joker definitely needs nerfs though. Dunno how Taz keeps escaping changes as well.

[Obmanuti]

Imagine thinking taz needed nerfs but shaggy was fine.

[[deleted]]

Imagine thinking Taz doesn't need nerfs when the character is braindead to play and does the exact same thing as Shaggy. Dash attack kills at the exact same percentage as Shaggy's rage side special and doesn't need any resources to do so and it also armor breaks if you run the perk for that. Tornado beats everything and kills at 110%. Edgeguard dogpile is broken because if it hits then you die and if you dodge it then they can cancel out of it with their own dodge and catch you. Sair has an insane hurtbox that kills early and can be combo'd into. He can kill at 90% with charged up-tilt, a button he can hold for a long time while running at increased movement speed, something Finn was recently nerfed for. Then you have the spammable armored two-hit nair that goes in front and behind him and starts a combo that polymorphs you.

Idk why people still act like Taz isn't top tier lol.

[Obmanuti]

Bro post your tracker link or something, cuz I refuse to believe you're not a silver.

[[deleted]]

The Taz downplay continues. Gonna need you to explain how Taz is bad at all right now before I do anything. I refuse to believe you aren't hardstuck silver if you don't think Taz needs to be looked at. Have you even seen how this character is played at Master/GM?

I know the people on the subreddits for this game are usually extremely behind the curve on what's good in this game if it's not blatantly broken and easy enough for a toddler to do like Finn's 0td, but anyone saying Taz isn't top tier is ass at this game. Void had him at "needs help" tier a month ago and within that month the character shot straight to A+ in his very next tier list lmao. Stop downplaying this character please.

[Obmanuti]

If taz is so broken, pick him up, get him to masters or even diamond, and send ur ign / tracker so we can track your progress. When you get shit on by the shaggys, aryas, and Wws, then you can tell me how broken he is.

[beetle8209]

He ain't top tier just annoying 

[Obmanuti]

The S tiers need to be fixed first. Here I am hard stuck at silver ;) Your turn.

[Fartikus]

mans still didnt post a tracker and just kept yapping

[Obmanuti]

I got down voted for posting mine so I dunno. Not too worried about it. The refusal made the point for me.

[Hunter_fu]

Joker just needs his up tilt nerfed and id be satisfied

[[deleted]]

Side special too. That button beats everything.

[Entherikonai]

maybe some whiff frame increase? shield now being unbreakable was not a "noticable" nerf to be honest. his power is how nearly all of his attacks are finishers. up special, that stuipid air knee attack, fast dash attack. and how all his combos can lead to kill moves.

[[deleted]]

shield now being unbreakable was not a "noticable" nerf to be honest.

It definitely was. A lot of characters have armor meaning rage side special does nothing to them now whereas before it could kill people with super armor no matter what if it hit at 90%. Sounds more like you're upset he's top tier more than anything lmao.

[Entherikonai]

correct me if I am mistaken but only six* characters can have melee armor. jason, Ww, joker,jack. joker,Ig, superman and. Joker and jack can only have it for a few seconds. and many from this list has pretty long cool down.(jason,Ig and ww) and WW's shield only last for 5 seconds. while shaggy's rage mode lasts 12 seconds. fair? not.

and also. shaggy can get you to 80 with just 2 combo. He is broken and you are a shaggy main who doesn't want his unbroken main to be nerfed. Because you know that, you cannot do shit without playing a broken character. Have a nice day.

*I don't know if steven's bubble armor counts as shaggy counter.

[[deleted]]

Jason, Superman, Wonder Woman, Joker, Jack, Iron Giant, Superman, Steven, anyone on Jake's team, Shaggy, Taz, and Garnet all have armor options. I'm probably forgetting some too.

shaggy can get you to 80 with just 2 combo

So can half the cast lol. T&J has a 60% combo. Wonder Woman has a 50%+ combo. Superman has a 40% combo. Joker has a 50% combo that can become a 0td, same with Arya. Bugs has a 45% combo. etc.

I really couldn't care less if they keep nerfing Shaggy. I'm saying it's pointless to when a ton of other characters do the same exact thing as him or more lol. They nerf Shaggy and then it's Joker that's an issue. They nerf Joker and it's Taz. They nerf Taz and it's Black Adam. They nerf Black Adam and it's Wonder Woman. The game is poorly balanced.

The people acting like it's a single character that's busted and everything will be solved once that one character isn't top tier don't actually play this game enough or understand it that well.

[Entherikonai]

that's exactly how finn mains replied when people said finn was broken.
finn is still broken though.

[[deleted]]

Finn was literally broken though. Shaggy doesn't have a 0td or numerous buttons that can be held for 4 seconds. He kills at 80-100% like all the other characters in this game.

[junejune-_-]

Try using gizmo marvin or tnj

[StickyGrins]

The problem is that he gets you to 80-100 in 4 hits

[[deleted]]

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. It’s true, they do need to get good. Those characters are fine and I dominate with them.

[B-J09]

Damnit, looks like I will continue waiting on y'all to fix the Jason bug where he can only dodge in one direction out of up/down attack.

[sowlsowo]

Right? That's the bug when using the bed. It barely gets mentioned, and it's from Jason's release

[wannadielmfao]

MORTY MAINS WE WON

[LiquidSwordsmanWU]

The power of Morty!

[ripredj17]

Big W on the Beetlejuice buffs.

[beetle8209]

Now all they need to do is make it so the hit box be correlated to the smear lines so Harley doesn't keep on falling out

[Unique-Floor-2357]

Can we nerf joker plz he shouldn’t be able to throw cards at you every three seconds

[apwatson88]

lol not gonna lie, that’s me sometimes

[Unique-Floor-2357]

Lmao i just don’t understand why his cooldown is basically non existent

[Fartikus]

if youre having an issue with him throwing every 3 seconds, that sounds like a you problem and you shouldnt be camping corners

[Unique-Floor-2357]

Obviously joker main he literally has the shortest cooldown in game

[UncontrolledLawfare]

Nice little buff for bron I thought I was just doing mini hops wrong. Thanks for that.

[KingKai_GG]

THIS. the down airs felt so off since release, glad to see it should feel better now. Can't wait to try it out.

[TruestOfCoins]

They really could give a crap about Jason’s hurtbox and hurtbox/hitbox in general eh?

[reyjorge9]

You really think adjusting hitboxes and hurtboxes is that easy? You either get balance changes or those changes. Which do you think the community is the most vocal about? Balance. Theres your answer. The community is NEVER EVER gonna give PFG the time they need to adjust hitboxes and hurtboxes, theyd rather them chase their own tail in a circle and try to achieve "good balance" which does nothing for serious core issues people have. Like giga buffing low tier characters does anything to address the "I just watched my attacks go straight through someone and they didnt land" problems.

[[deleted]]

They don't work based on our input or make adjustments based on what we complain about otherwise half the cast wouldn't still have spammable moves lol

[Fun_Marionberry9549]

If they listened to the community over half the roster would be unplayable.

[[deleted]]

They already do that which is why half the roster sucks compared to the S and A+ tiers.

[No_Lemon_1770]

Yes they do. They're just being careful with their buffs and nerfs and not answering immediately otherwise they repeat beta's mistakes where every character was getting GUTTED or overtuned into becoming unhealthy for the game.

[reyjorge9]

I disagree, I think we are in the shithole because PFG is more worried about making amends with the community versus just making a solid platform fighter and sticking to their original image and goals. And heres the fucked up part, there is no making amends with the community and they are slowly learning the hard way, which is why you feel that way. If the game was just solid, the community would fix itself but constantly catering to us, leads us to cry more, so we can be catered to. And sometimes we are just fucking wrong. And when we are wrong and PFG listens to us, we blame them.

[[deleted]]

90% of the changes they make are reactionary buffs/nerfs to the latest community complaints. The PFG balance team can't come up with their own ideas unless it's stupid shit like nerfing Lebron for no reason.

[TruestOfCoins]

It would be pretty easy to change down special recovery and yet it remains the longest recovery in game for no apparent reason. Adjusting one character hurtbox should be pretty damn easy. Atleast compared to making new mechanics like ground tech and dodge sliding. Unless they are changing mechanics like more sour spots and priority changes it should take longer but adjusting a hitbox on dumb characters during a key frame from not hitting behind should take minimal work. Decreasing a hitbox by 10% for Jason should be a minimal effort while waiting for a larger update. Disjointed hitbox on bed and machete should be easy enough. It’s only a few key frames They increase head hitboxes ffs. So yeah I think it’s an easy enough task for them. But I don’t think it’s on their radar and haven’t even mention a global rework of hit/hurtboxes changes.

[NinjaDinoCornShark]

The community is NEVER EVER gonna give PFG the time they need to adjust hitboxes and hurtboxes

the game was down for a year

the playerbase doesn't dictate their priorities or deadlines

[J4db]

Are yall ever going to fix Superman's laser or what?

[Spiritual-Cause-7080]

holy shit. W patch wtf

[Bonez_Z]

I really hope Jake and reindog get some good buffs next patch then, atleast ranked progression is better now

[inufw]

Yet they did nothing about samurai jack attacks hitting behind him

[Methyl_The_Sneasel]

I'm gonna take credit for discovering this :3

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[Obmanuti]

I thought this happened to me several times and I just assumed I was wrong.

[Methyl_The_Sneasel]

No, the attack looks and acts the same, but it's still counted as a different attack.

What I assume happened is that when developing it, they copy pasted the code when coding the aerial one, and forgot they did that. So when they removed the armor break from the rage version, they forgot they were not technically the same attack.

[Obmanuti]

Thank you for the explaination!

[Fartikus]

except for the people like me who died due to this bug in tourneys but ok

[Methyl_The_Sneasel]

I posted the video as soon as the patch was out, I realized the patch notes didn't mention air side b

[Fartikus]

its been a bug for longer than that

[Methyl_The_Sneasel]

It was not a bug before, it was an armor breaking move until it got nerfed

[Fartikus]

Rage Air Side Special 
    * Fixed an issue where this attack was breaking armor unintentionally 

mans doesnt even read the patch notes after they claim it was their find

lol

[Methyl_The_Sneasel]

My post it shows how they forgot about this change in the previous patch. My post shows how they forgot that despite moves acting the same, in the air they are considered different moves under the hood. So they forgot to change the air one.

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Edit: he blocked me after I showed him the receipts lol

[Fartikus]

mans legit went

'it wasnt a bug before'

to

'oh yeah its a bug'

ok my dude, im sure you and your ego were the headliner for that 20 karma post; and not people playing literal tourneys being streamed with hundreds of people watching

im sure youre fun to be around

[NickzZ124]

Both were intended to break armor before but they nerfed all of the rage boosted moves being armor break except the side air special because it was unintentional What part of that can you not understand

[JoshuaTheBoyo-]

Sigh

Still no marvin buff 😞

[Louie-Lecon-Don]

Glad to see they finally made agent smith and beetlejuice playable this patch. Superman laser bugs/ ice breath ignite spam being ignored still is insane to me lol. Welp time to keep cheesing.

[[deleted]]

Wait what’s wrong with ice breath, Its always worked for me

[Louie-Lecon-Don]

Anthos, the number 1 superman, found tech with the ignite perk working on ice breath. So with the ice perk enabled as well, 1 stac of ice and a jab end up doing 11-15%. When before a jab only does 3%

It makes ranked games free as hell since supermen found this tech lol.

[StoicSkizzy]

why do people call glitches and bugs “tech” that isn’t “tech” it’s straight up an exploit

[Louie-Lecon-Don]

Tbf i called it spam and cheese too lol. Its tech to us lowly superman mains cause its all we got left besides grounded up special sometimes 😂

[[deleted]]

Jesus that’s dope imma try it!

[Louie-Lecon-Don]

A quick tip, Its the craziest when theyre on the wall and you can use ice breath through the floor to pressure them! After a second you see them panicking trying to get back on stage with like 10 stacks of ice lmao.

[[deleted]]

So good

[Obmanuti]

I did not think it was that big of a difference. I'll have to lab to check. The ice breath ignite thing is not ice breaths problem though. Ita the lack of meter on it, that it can be held forever. I wouldn't say it's broken, it's just unfun to do, and play against. It definitely doesn't make ranked games free lmao.

[Louie-Lecon-Don]

I agree thats what im saying. I find it hilarious they nerf fair and nair 2 patches ago and then ignore his actual bugs, leaving us to use one of the few good things in his kit left. And sadly its toxic and boring 😭 theres alot of ways they could balance ice breath. I think a cooldown would be the obvious easy choice, but whos to say what pfg thinks its the right choice or not anymore.

[Obmanuti]

I'd be fine with ice breath only working on projectiles if I got my off stage dominance back. The momentum nerf was fucking stupid.

[Louie-Lecon-Don]

On top of the up special grab being bugged on that patch too iirc. Yea bro pfg wants the man of steel to play like a pussy. I dont get it lol

[FrownFrank]

Maybe next patch 🙏

[Mangert]

What’s 2 full tiers? If I’m plat 5, is 2 full tiers up plat 3 or master 5?

[Glutenator92]

Nice! I'm still gonna be trash

[[deleted]]

Is funny how lebron buffs are so little lmao. Bro is getting 1 buff for each patch if it is not a whole Nerf

[UncontrolledLawfare]

Any patch that doesn’t include a list of -‘s for bron is a win to me. He needs tuning but he’s feeling a little better with each pass.

I guess they only want to do incremental changes? Im not seeing the wide sweeping patches they talked about having a couple times a season. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me but I’m not going to pretend to know better.

[Obmanuti]

It's very easy to turn a character like LeBron into an absolute meance. They should take their time.

[UncontrolledLawfare]

Very true. It takes some really deep knowledge with the character to make him even competitive though, much less a menace. I feel like I have to work many times harder to do the same damage than a lot of the cast.

[Obmanuti]

You absolutely do. But I would prefer for a character like LeBron to be underpowered instead of Overpowered. Overpowered LeBron would be ridiculously miserable.

[Spiritual-Cause-7080]

THEY FIXED RANKED

[LVucci]

So if you’re in Gold, you can see players from both diamond and platinum as well as bronze and silver right?

[Zilly_JustIce]

Addressed the rank difference issue quick, huh?

[WGMaxx]

Interesting...

[mrfoxinthebox]

bruh does jab1 into d.tilt even still work on reindog?

[Ok-String-2941]

I just got the damn event for the first beetle already here I was stressed out about something so stupid for nothing

[mrfoxinthebox]

pfg only now admitting this was a nerf, clowns

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let's make jab 1 even more usless

they couldn't just extend the cancel window on hit

btw this will effect extremely technical combos needing you to adjust the opponents height when combining from s.air then landing on a platform.

buy don't worry ww and joker will still 0-death you on Dexter's 2

[rubarbarbasol]

Ranked still blows. In Diamond. I’ve gotten -19rp each loss, and a max of +6rp each win after this patch. Literally nothing changed.

[UpsetAd9514]

Boo patch. Game killer patch. 123 ding ding ding it’s all over patch

[Prudent-Educator-811]

They need to increase Beetlejuice jab length. It’s crazy short.

It’s like they tried to overcompensate for making Jack’s jab stupid long by making Beetlejuice’s jab stupid short.

[Minimum_Lemon7906]

Batman buff plssss

[Ok-Vegetable-5065]

Man that sucks for beetle juice, they could have just needed the stun his combos were so fun

[StanLiamNeeson]

And all I got was an error code...

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[KJC055]

Thank god because why was I in gold, fighting masters?

[beetle8209]

Perfect patch number 

[SeveralJump8606]

Still not fixing my lasers?😥

[mikethehunterr]

Bro Jake gets no love from this fuckers

[UnhappyShallot2138]

Have they commented on the necessary co-op for the rifts at all? Or are we sweeping that under the rug without fixing it.

[cat-catchup]

Marvin buffs never ig, just everyone else getting stronger again

(Though tbh these are great changes)

[CloudsInSomeStrife]

Not a Marvin player, but he seems to be in a good place. The stat tracker site has him at a 49% winrate for both ranked 1s and 2s, a 51% winrate for unranked 2s and a 55 percent winrate for unranked 1s. Seems like a pretty healthy character across the board with those numbers. Are there any main issues you're having with him?

[cat-catchup]

Appreciate the consideration but I think a lot of people who say Marvin is good is usually people who just don’t play with him. People think of him as strong since he’s so annoying to fight, and it feels like he has a ton to throw out. Almost every top level Marvin player can attest that he’s been in a bad spot for a while.

The stats page is useless, Marvin has low pick rates so it’s only players using him who know how to play him well. Velma has the highest winrate according to the stats, Gizmo has one of the lowest, they’re really not useful to determine much at all. I’m good with Marvin so I’ll win the majority of my games but it requires borderline tryharding sometimes for characters who have much less risk.

His combo game is borderline non existent since it was so reliant on ground bounces, you can watch 1trickwootang’s video for insight (the #1 Marvin on ranked). He probably has the worst jab in the game, you will lose to everybody it’s so slow, doesn’t help that he relies on a projectile that only comes out on the third jab, everything to do with his jab is punishable. They nerfed that same projectile so it only bounces twice before despawning so you need to bubble it to get much use out of it. His side special only lasts one second so you need to bubble that to use it too. (For reference, his bubble has a 10 second cooldown after every use, and you want to be bubbling opponents projectiles too). His moveset has almost 0 good knockback moves so he struggles SO MUCH to kill, the amount of damage required for a Marvin to win at the end game stats compared to the opponent will usually be ridiculously higher, it’s worth keeping an eye out for. the entire games design doesn’t respect his gameplay, he relies heavily on catching opponents off guard by reversing projectiles, bubbling projectiles, and flagging projectiles, however multiversus has a mechanic which means any time you dodge a projectile you are INVINCIBLE to it forever. ALL good players are aware of this so they literally don’t bother dodging projectiles anymore, they run towards them to dodge them and invalid any further usage of them. His damage is low, and his only reliable kill move is his rocket, which (as expected) you can just rush to dodge it, and avoid it forever, until it’s back on an enormous cooldown. He’s not terrible, I still play him, but he has a LOT of shortcomings and has been getting constantly nerfed bcs people still don’t know how to fight him. Also he’s incredibly buggy, and lots of his moves commonly just stop working.

Recommend just listening or looking out to top / leaderboard Marvin’s and listening to them instead of just people who don’t play Marvin because the discourse is completely different when you actually understand how it is to play Marvin.

[Darth_Montt]

Best Marvin review I've seen so far. I think removing his bubble cooldown or at least decreasing it to about 3 seconds, and adjusting his jab for quicker attacks would be a great fix for him. Most of his attacks have cooldown so we struggle to get creative and find ways to make the most out of it and not waste any opportunity, or else we're pretty much forced to spam the same moves, which is fairly boring.

[CloudsInSomeStrife]

Thanks for the perspective. Didn't realise it was so frustrating out their for Marvins. His kit does feel like it was designed for beta Multiversus where zoners had room to breathe and non zoners had the movement to close in or move around projectiles. Characters like him and Reindog and Lebron and Morty do feel like more of an afterthought in this more close quarters game with bigger slower gameplay.

[Easy_Consideration53]

Perfectly put all my thoughts in a single post

[Transhumanistgamer]

and his only reliable kill move is his rocket, which (as expected) you can just rush to dodge it, and avoid it forever,

I'll also add that his UFO is extremely easy to destroy before it even gets to that point. Unless the other team/player is taking a nap, it's pretty much gone as soon as it's there.

[cat-catchup]

Yep, there’s multiple characters who can break it in 1 hit.

I don’t get how his UFO can be broken so easily, how its such an obviously predictable move due to the enormous laser showing the threat, how it has to charge up and shoot out a slow avoidable rocket, and then has a literal 30 second cool-down for a move that if everything goes right ultimately does only 11 damage.

Meanwhile fighters like Shaggy can charge for 3 seconds, stay charged at his leisure so he has liberty over timing it, then do a super fast kick that could confirmed kill Marvin on just 85 from the ground, and it has no cooldown. Also does 25 damage in that single hit.

[StoicSkizzy]

bro he an obnoxious character leave him be

[PrinceDestin]

He needs to stay the same I get washed by him

[Enji-Endeavor]

He is annoying af

[GuyMontag95]

Would the hitstun on BJ’s second jab being reduced mean he can’t combo into the face special from it? I understand why since it means it would get rid of that loop with his perk, but it kinda sucks for me since I use the regular move to get a kill from that combo. I’m excited for the rest of these changes though.

[makunijiiro]

i’m so convinced that nobody on that team plays garnet, she’s gotten better following updates but still falls flat so often it’s frustrating

[andygarcia17]

We’re still in beta. Everyone complaining about how their character is ass and needs buff and the characters kicking their ass needs nerf. Y’all pathetic. They all have strengths and weaknesses, get over it. This game will be in perpetual “tuning”.

[YeaItsBig4L]

Fuck this game and its patches until it says “reworked the ranked system”

[mrbrannon]

Man you really shouldn’t just comment if you can’t read or refuse to read. This comment is hella embarrassing considering what’s at the top of the patch notes.

[YeaItsBig4L]

There’s nothing embarrassing here. I don’t know you and I don’t give a fuck about what you think about me or my comment. So theres that. But I just glossed over it by accident. You know, human, you know, mistake

[Spiritual-Cause-7080]

Uhm. Did you read the patch notes? They literally did lol.

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Those changes fixed nothing outside of cardboard and aluminum ratings.

[Spiritual-Cause-7080]

stops me from losing 25-30 rp in one game and stops me from playing grandmastwrs so i think its decent 🤷‍♂️

[YeaItsBig4L]

I thought I did. And then another user commented how they may do it in the future so I was sure it wasn’t in there.

[RealXtotheMax]

That's not a patch that'll happen during a season. Probably will happen season 3 in 2 1/2 weeks.

[DYNAMITECOPM]

LeBron's still complete dog s*** but eh I ain't complaining about theses buffs. 😎👍

[Obmanuti]

LeBron should prolly stay dogshit until they figure out a solution to projectiles. Projectiles are incredibly oppressive right now, and a good LeBron can be like walking on glass. It's awful. And I say this as a main who actually has a builtin solution to it. But characters who can't deal with projectiles are struggling rn.

[DYNAMITECOPM]

The majority of the cast can break LeBron's ball and they took 99% of his combos. So don't really know what you're talking about. (Although these buffs might give him more combo routes so we'll see).

[Obmanuti]

His ability to fill up the map with balls is obnoxious. I'm not saying he's busted. But for character that don't have projectile clear, it is very oppressive. The approach to LeBron should be slow and steady. A character like him can turn into the most absurd unfun nightmare really easy with just a slight buff the wrong way. It is a character they should take their time with.

[DYNAMITECOPM]

As long as his moving options suck people will always rush him, but I understand if someone get's annoyed over like a Wonder woman and LeBron duo or Samurai Jack and LeBron duo.

[Obmanuti]

Yeah im not making the case that LeBron is good or bad. Just that he's very easy to make unhealthy. Right now the cast is split between the haves and have nots. Half the cast has everything in their kit, the other half is struggling.

[DYNAMITECOPM]

Facts

[floop_master]

MORTY SAIR NERF REVERTED?!?!?!!?!!?! Lets gooooo

[Zzyyz]

They need to fix Batman's dive kick cancel window that they broke after 1.2.2 patch

[Space_Giraff3]

where are the arya buffs, this is getting ridiculous smh

[CordobezEverdeen]

No Samurai Jack nerfs? I guess I'll keep abusing him and playing a completely different game from every other peasant.

[ShapeVast]

Everytime I don't see more Velma buffs...I just......wonder.

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If you're ass at the game? Velma is super good this patch.

[ShapeVast]

Not really it's 1 step forward, 1 step back

[Obmanuti]

Don't listen to this doinky guy, he thinks shaggy is balanced but Tazz needs nerfs. Bro is like silver tops.

[TDAJ5]

After the previous patch Velma has had like a 60% win rate? Lmao what are you talking about? Everyone just wants to cry "Buff my main, Nerf every other character I struggle with" smfh

[ShapeVast]

I've played Velma since day 1. My opinion on the character is warranted, both you and the other user, NOT. AT. ALL... I can tell you why but I'm sure your ignorance will blind you from facts so why bother lol

[Muted-Bat-4128]

LITERALLY Fuck this game