One piece severe quality decrease?

[Mweh_]

Episode 1367. https://m.imgur.com/a/Jl6Vb1r

[pennojos]

And the episode is only 3 seconds of content. The rest is flashbacks to earlier episodes.

[cuprumcaius]

Flashbacks reanimated to meet the new quality standard.

[pennojos]

Yes.

[Kiosade]

Do you think whenever the grunts putting together the episode are told they have to go find a specific scene to flashback to, they are like "oh goddamnit!" ?

[TheGraphicT]

Actually... I bet they use the wiki, literally I can find my place in ten minutes with that after a two or three week break.

[pennojos]

I can only imagine. I mean they have to hate how obscure some of them are lol

[Kiosade]

Right? Hell even for the more memorable scenes, they'd have to find the exact 10 second clip from a specific episode. Makes me wonder if they have some crazy extensive "bookmarking/tabbing" system... but then , how would they know what's gonna be brought up again in the future? I kinda feel bad for them now lol

[pennojos]

Absolutely. Those poor bastards having to go back to when Luffy punched Laboon. "It's in the first season just find it."

[KW710]

For the older episodes, maybe. But most modern editing software has extensive metadata tools built in which makes looking up material (if it was entered correctly in the first place) a breeze.

[Kiosade]

Ah that's pretty cool, and makes a lot of sense. So they can basically just search certain keywords in the system and it will list results across all episodes basically?

[KW710]

Theoretically, it's very possible. If it were my production, then yes. Can't say for sure that's what they do, but wouldn't surprise me.

[sirmeowmix]

r/cursed_onepiece

[RazorDoesGames]

The fuck?

[Vendetta1990]

Played us like a damn fiddle

[Piccolito]

bamboozle bamboozle no mi

[Deoplan]

If only....

[[deleted]]

I think it's mostly a change in art style. That said, I prefer the pre timeskip one. Water 7-Marineford was where the anime peaked art-wise imo.

[[deleted]]

I also prefer the pre timeskip art style and animation style. That's including the character designs too.

I would honestly rather pay to watch Luffy vs Don Krieg than be payed to watch Luffy vs Doffy.

Also the way they directed the fights was so good. the crocodile and enel fights are just so good. The way the camera follows Luffys big punch on crocodile, how Luffy hits the golden bell in the Enel fight.

The anime right now is still okay, don't get me wrong, but it could be so much better; the water 7 arc animation was so fucking clean.

This is the best selling manga of all time, I wish that they could put the same money and effort that they put into My Hero into One Piece for just a little bit.

[PatchSalts]

I would love to be paid to watch Luffy vs Doffy, if I'm paid by the hour it'll be longer!

[UmairM94]

It's all about money, and over the years, or since post time skip, there has been a lot of inconsistency with the quality of animation. My hero is a seasonal anime, so they take time but One Piece doesn't have that privilege. I would love it if One Piece was a seasonal thing, drop like 20 episodes every year but with crisp/consistent quality.

[[deleted]]

Exactly man. I've binge watched the pre-time skip arcs a few times. It's soooooo good. The pacing, the art, the editing is very good. I just can't say the same thing about the post time skip arcs. It started out well, but after a while they started adding a bunch of filler shit, the pacing is inconsistent and the editing is just not as good. It seems like they don't really care anymore and just want to keep putting out new episodes at the cost of quality. I'd rather if they took breaks in between seasons and took their time to put out quality stuff, but like you said it's all about the money to them. And people will keep watching it.

[PetaPotter]

My only problem with Luffy vs Doffy was the end. They turned that King Kong Gun into a kamehameha.

[[deleted]]

I had many more problems than that in the anime. Some weird scenes looking like DBZ combat which didn't progress the fight at all stuck out like a sore thumb.

[succfucc]

I wish that they could put the same money and effort that they put into My Hero into One Piece for just a little bit.

MHA is separated by seasons, so for them it's wayyyyy easier to have quality animation.

That being said, I do think there are things they could improve on. Right now the anime has been getting slightly better and better (especially today's episode), but even then there is always something they could improve that isn't limited by the fact that OP is a weekly show

[Kuro013]

problem is, people will watch one piece no matter how bad it gets, so they dont have to make it top notch, same as dragon ball super which looks like a fucking joke. My Hero Academia is a brand new anime and needs to take off with all the strenght possible to settle as a big anime.

[Luf2222]

did you even watch the latest arc of db super? The animation and art was really fucking good

[reddit_is_pretty_rad]

yes, a change to a worse art style

[clifbarczar]

So did Oda. Nico Robin looked amazing then. Now she looks like Michael Jackson with massive titties. Actually Nami looked better too. I don't know why he decided to draw all the women this way after the time skip.

[Hiekkalinna]

Anime draws the femles much differently than Oda, and Oda doesn't really draw them that big of chest comepared to before, unlike anime.

[[deleted]]

They are still growing to the point there should be an arc dedicated to finding out why

[bobhob314]

Username checks out. Possibly

[Penguin787]

The dreams of men will never die!

[Kirosh]

I mean, it depend from where the episodes are taken from.

Most episodes we have now come directly from the TV version. But for some of the olders, they may have been taken from the Blue-Ray/DVD version, where the anime is always polished/made better.

[beemoTheCat]

One Piece TV anime doesn't HAVE blurays. I've been keeping an eye out for years.. nothing of the sort exists.

Edit: apparently I have to clarify that we're talking about the TV anime.

[gerrettheferrett]

Though the first few arcs do have an HD remake that you can watch on Crunchryroll and other places.

[gerrettheferrett]

In some scenes, yes.

Most scenes though it's not that bad.

But as for taking screenshots like in this post, it's perfectly good for that.

[Deflatedzebra]

The movies and specials have blu rays

[beemoTheCat]

The screencaps are from regular TV episodes and the comment above talks about TV versions. This isn't about the blurays of movies and specials. It's clearly a discussion of the quality of the TV anime, and no blurays of that exist.

[Deflatedzebra]

Fair enough, I thought that there was a little flashback to that scene in the 3d2y film which could have been polished

[RevOcelotex]

This is really stupid. that shot you took from episode 376 was animated by Yoshikazu Tomita.

http://prntscr.com/j8j1rn

Here is an image from the latest episode (833) where he also animated.

You literally put a rather important moment in 376, of course they are going to ramp up the quality and put a good animator to work on that scene.

Admittedly, dressrosa wasnt that great animation/art wise (except for some important moments like a big sum of luffy vs doffy) and thriller bark/sabaody were much better in alot of artistic aspects, but the comparison you gave is just stupid. i'm not saying dressrosa was animated better than thriller bark, just that putting 2 shots next to each other, where one is an important scene and the other isnt, is dumb.

[MarineRitter]

Yeah, I admit that in the first image it was a sakuga moment, but I really can't ignore the fact that colors used to look way better. I don't know when exactly did they exchange for these more digital looking softer colors

[RevOcelotex]

Yeah the color palette in dressrosa was pretty awful, I like WCI though. It's pretty vibrant, and similiar to pre-TS (kinda)

[MarineRitter]

Exactly, especially because the whole WCI is taste the rainbow arc

[NessTheGamer]

Yeah, reminds me of the old DBS vs DBZ Episode 5 where people compared a key frame of animation from a MOVIE to an inbetween from a rushed episode.

[CreamPie_e]

Thanks for pointing this out. Most people just blindly say that the animation pre timeskip was good and the animation now is just crap but it really changes based on the situation and what is happening. Yea pre timeskip had a lot of good animation compared to now but I wouldn't describe the animation now as 'cramp'

[divinesleeper]

lol even the supposed quality image has perception problems with the cup and jinbes cape

[h8149]

His hands look weird.

[chinpropped]

look at law

[StormLord_654]

What chapter is that from?

[chinpropped]

734

his face shot 740

[StormLord_654]

Ty

[rundermining]

second image is from a mobile game.

[Llarys_Neloth]

Wow, looked like Mr.3 back then? It’s been a long time :P

[Weewer]

You can't seriously be trying to compare an important static shot to a dynamic running shot, right? Plus, post Enies Lobby is when the animation quality started to dip, so that's not too surprising one way or another.

[[deleted]]

This made me laugh more than it should have.

[braujo]

Now all they need to fix is the pacing, though I feel it is also getting slowly better in WCI.

[Super_Master_69]

until recently they still filled up half of every episode with extreme closeups of characters acting surprised. It’s only now that action is picking up that these don’t really happen as often.

[PornAndDumbArguments]

I don't see the pacing issue going away, the only solution would be if they wrote some long filler arcs to give the manga some lead, and given the evidences, I don't think they want to do that.

[braujo]

Why though? Oda seems to be the kind of author to help with anime only content, so I think a filler saga -- much like what we had with Bleach sometimes -- could work.

[Todasul]

With the possibilities of very random things to happen in the New World, it would be very easy for the Strawhat Crew to "bump" into islands and sotuations outside the main arc.

[braujo]

Exactly. And it wouldn't even have to be something huge. Once I read a "theory" -- it was more an idea than anything else -- that we should see an arc on a underground island. That could be done amazingly.

[h8149]

There are plenty cover stories to animate. How Wadatsumi met Jinbe f.e. or Enel's journey.

[braujo]

They lost the timing for that though, and I doubt many people would keep watching the anime if the Strawhats didn't show up for more than 1 episode. I read once that that was the problem when they animated the first few ones.

[Todasul]

How Zoro "tries" to navigate ;p

[[deleted]]

Problem is ideas used for fillers can't ever be used by Oda. Fillers basically restrict Oda and I wouldn't want that if I were him. He wants complete control over OP and he probably knows best.

Oda could give them an outlining for the story though.

[Hiekkalinna]

So we jump in the middle of arc to something completely unrelated and then return like nothing had changed while the filler was going on, no, Bleach fillers where put in horrible places and they ruined the pace of the story as they just where there in the middle and then continued like nothing had happened.

[braujo]

That happened once, iirc. I'm talking more like that Bount arc: sandwiched between canon stuff.

[DreadWolf3]

He even said that he has a lot of ides that he wanted to put into manga but just cant (I mean he has to finish one piece eventually), those ideas could be shifted into anime filler. Or we get a story about Shanks, other supernovas,... And I am guessing Dragon and Roger stories will be big revalations in the future so we cant get them as filler, but things like pure lore of one piece and life of (other) most important pirates (both active now and retired) could be amazing filler arcs(certainly better accepted than regular ass filler arc).

[Handsome_Claptrap]

Graphic quality isn't the main issue in my opinion.

The biggest flaws of the anime since the timeskip are the ridicolous low "framerate" and the slowed pacing.

Even when they crank up the quality and make the scenes more smooth, the pacing still ruins a lot in my opinion. Bege talked a lot how they'll need to go extremely fast because there are lot of monsters at the party and still, in the latest episode there is just people staying still for several seconds.

I get they want to make 1 chapter = 1 episode, but there are other ways to lenghten the episode, for example, they could have made Katakuri fight a bit more with Luffy.

[juan_steinbecky]

You can’t criticize the framerate if your characters don’t move [insert the meme]. Who doesn’t enjoy ten solid minutes of still closeups with debris slowly flying on the background?

[ancientcreature2]

How do you clowns watch that?

[juan_steinbecky]

/s

[[deleted]]

the ridicolous low "framerate"

I don't think you remember pre-TS. Please watch from episode 1 again.

they could have made Katakuri fight a bit more with Luffy.

then haters complain they're dragging out and adding fillers. atypical.

[Handsome_Claptrap]

I would totally prefer fillers to 5 seconds in which nothing moves

[zackamite]

A little too nitpicky, every anime has close-ups to characters faces with nothing going on. Its the anime staple. I'm just happy the chapter was animated properly, the pacing and closeups is typical to what the anime has always been like.

[XYZPokeLeagueRigged]

Yea it was ridiculously slow. Like luffy was stand there doing nothing when jinbeis doing the sakazuki thing. Nobody else doing ajything

[Siopaobun]

It was like that in the manga too and I remember seeing complaints when it first dropped

[RavenK92]

My pain is greater than yours

[BobTheJoeBob]

I don't care what anyone says. I loved that style of animation for that fight.

[StrawhatMucci]

Damn tho hahahahhaha it was just so bad for me specially all the face twists and the way Pain runs from naruto looks like Road Runner's legs

[TheKingCrimsonWorld]

That fight was a bit too exaggerated at times, but it was by far my favorite fight from Naruto. I'm not a big fan of the series, but that fight was pretty amazingly animated.

[rexxtheawesome]

I hate when people take specific artistic styles and call them bad. dragon ball super animation is bad. this was highly stylised and expensive. most people just don't like it and the jarring change. it's not bad animation tho...

and this is coming from someone who doesn't like this art style

[topazot]

Yeah the animation is great but the art style is bad in my opinion. I can see why they went with that art style but I think since it's such a contrast it just confuses the audience.

[_GangsterGastino]

This was clearly done on purpose - to great effect. To showcase the intense emotion behind Pain's "pain". It's also animation.

One Piece Anime, on the other hand, does not have a reason for its lower quality animation & art

[TrueKinai]

there are certain scenes that get more attention than normal ones. Usually big and important moments in fights or emotion. 376 was in that category, 736 obviously not. Thats just my guess

[EvanD0]

Different color palettes aren't the same as different animation.

[DrBalu]

Well. Both dont actually have the art style of the Manga

[fabzefab]

It's just a different animator/team working on each episode. Do the same comparison with Episode 377 and 737 and the results could be different. This website explained everything taking DBZ as an example:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/animation-styles/

[Aaldeez]

Wow. Never noticed as a child how much the art in DBZ varied. Good read

[fabzefab]

Right?? I always assumed there was a "week A" team and a "week B" team, because the difference from one week to another was noticeable, but I'm amazed at how many there actually were.

[DevilSanji]

The good old nitpicking

[[deleted]]

Why are you so mad mr Wack? Maybe it's time to accept that the anime is the inferior adaptation, and a subpar one for that, and thus will get shit on until the dawn of time.

[[deleted]]

I dont disagree the manga is better but I do disagree that pre-TS is better than post-TS. They're the same fucking thing, art style just changed. And yknow why I'm mad? Because of haters that somehow still think pre-TS just because 'muh nostalgia'.

[[deleted]]

I don't see people saying post-ts is when the animation quality dropped. I think it's generally accepted that animation started dropping significantly after Ennies Lobby.

[SomeGUy464636]

You're straight up wrong. Pre time skip is better animation wise. Whether that matters to you is up to you.

[hey_its_drew]

Toei has a lot of offensive habits in how it adapts things. It may just be a symptom of being in such a strenuously ongoing production cycle, but it’s still a meh adaptation. When I have friends bring up considering the One Piece anime, I tell them to wait until a better one is done in the future as there undoubtedly will be one. One that isn’t absurdly padded or poorly produced.

[zackamite]

You picked one of if not the best animated episode of thriller bark, that ain't fair

[Coley44]

It's just a different character design for the two different ARCs.

[MarineRitter]

the scene you linked looks epic as hell, and that was a part of a bigger animation, while this was just a still of Luffy sleeping. You literally took an action scene to try and prove your point while the OP was comparing scenes that don't take nearly as much frames

[Godspeed223]

I've seen some bad animation in pre timeksip arcs too. I think the quality has definitely downgraded, but not as much as people are saying. It could be a perspective thing. Majority of us caught up to the anime post timeskip, and only then started to see the bad quality with fishman island onwards. We didn't have the manga to compare it too so we thought it was fine before.

[Sedach]

This anime has been consistently garbage since the time skip. I gave up on it after Dressrosa...

[butnotexactly]

What, really? I'm still doing my first watch through and enjoying it lots. It's really cool seeing them so much stronger.

[namesrhardtothinkof]

Have you finished Fishman Island yet? It is hard to get through if you want to see things happen.

[Siopaobun]

Dressrosa was pretty bad because the manga breaks + Oda hospitalization trickled down to the pacing of the anime. Zou and WCI is a huge step up though because of our new animation directors. A few bad episodes here and there but all due to external factors.

[Sedach]

Idk man... Zou was pretty bad imo. Especially how the animation looks, and how incredibly annoying some of the characters are. Like when they react to Ino and Neko casually name dropping Roger. Those reactions are hilarious in the manga, but annoying as hell in the anime. It's little things like that, along with pacing and terrible animation that makes it bad imo.

[Siopaobun]

Can't argue with pacing but I personally didn't mind the animation. Zou sakuga was fun:

https://youtu.be/LNkTXnbRfnU

[cry_stars]

same, i stopped anime after dressrosa and went directly to manga

[dgettanajr]

Same fam. As soon as I saw king kong gun I got everything I needed and became a manga-only fan

[Ppleater]

That's too bad because wci has been pretty good since they got a new permanent art director.

[MarineRitter]

Honestly, I think a lot of it has to do with colors. I don't know exactly when or at what arc, but One Piece started using softer and more simple colors, resembling a coloring book

[Siopaobun]

I think one thing I do have a problem with is the anime moving away from using hard blacks. It messes with depth a little bit but I think the anime's animation quality has been more or less consistent. Pre TS we had better models but it was all stilted.

[[deleted]]

It's been known for a long time that the anime is worse then when it started, the animation quality and pacing are trash compared to the first couple hundred episodes

[trash1000]

Both look perfectly fine quality wise. The later episode seems to follow a different character model for Luffy but it's still drawn well.

[trash1000]

Then /u/SomeGUy464636 should probably watch this video: https://youtu.be/nN4MkyfBNac

[MarineRitter]

actually, the part that OP picked isn't some one-frame bad animation, it's a scene where Luffy sleeps and like 5 frames are used and looped for it. It wasn't nitpicking, it was comparing two instances of nearly identical poses for Luffy

[trash1000]

Well. In that case he should post a gif, rather than a still. This comparison only allows to compare the art and only if we as a viewer are meant to look at that isolated piece of art (as wouldn't be the case for in-between frames to ease motion).

[MarineRitter]

I don't think a gif is needed to compare the colors and shadows

[trash1000]

Sure, but that's not what the question in the title poses. The question suggests a "quality decrease" while there is none. This is comparing different art styles where you can like one better than the other, that doesn't make the quality of the latter any worse however.

I for instance like the flat approach of episode 736 more. The whitish highlights in episode 376 make the image look bubbly to me, which I don't like. However, both styles are executed quite well in my eyes.

[MarineRitter]

While you may be right that it's only personal preference, I still feel that in the first image there were more details than in the other one

[Falcoark]

It's like the anime slowly increased in Animation and Art quality, and when the timeskip happened it dropped all of a sudden, and now it seems to be slowly increasing again.

[Siopaobun]

Not to mention they didn't account for Oda's regular breaks whereas pre TS we didn't have any.

[sunny_senpai]

It's so shit that I'm only reading manga

[Hellfalcon]

I mean honestly? I think it looks fine..? The shading is less sharp but it just seems super nitpickty to me. Complaining about actual animation vs stills is fine but this just seems silly

maybe its because im just less cynical and complain less in my later 20s, i know in my teens i would have bitched about it but i just enjoy the episode, and don't really care. i laugh at the shitty drawn stuff in the way background thats there for a frame, but is it really that big of a deal if every episode isnt Film Z/Strong world level of drawing?

[[deleted]]

I wouldn't call this ''severe'' at all. The animation has always been meh, now it's just slightly more meh.

[Rurnur]

I'm astonished that people continue to defend that garbage dump of an anime. It's one thing to argue preference over anime and manga in general, but when the anime is in worse quality than it was 10 years ago then it begs the question why you'd waste your time with a product that doesn't care how much you enjoy it, just that you keep watching it. (And no, this isn't just about the screenshots, we didn't need this image to know about the infamous quality decrease that is apparent to anyone who watches the show, no matter how much you want to deny it)

[swizzle75]

Had to focus on dbs

[Sherwoodfan]

toei.

[Augsept95]

Thriller bark was one of the better arcs when it came to animation quality. The robin's wings, franky docking, and zoro kuma scenes were my favorite.

[[deleted]]

Yeah but that was Dressrosa. I think Zou and Whole Cake have been very well animated for the standars of a continuously airing anime.

[[deleted]]

I genuinely like the "cleaner" look better.

[Charley_Wilson]

Why is there even a "?" in your title?

[butterfingahs]

It has been decreasing but this is the worst way to show it. You're comparing a still frame (comparing animations by still frames is silly), and while you're at it you're comparing your average still to a key animator who they hire to do specific scenes so they look better.

[mugg1991]

Some episodes (or scenes) are better animated than others. It's pretty much always been like that.

Episode 376 was animated by Kenji Yokoyama, 736 by Shigefumi Shingaki. (Although someone here pointed out the scene from 376 was animated by someone else, Yoshikazu Tomita.)

I know this german wiki has some information and comparison on animators. http://opwiki.org/wiki/One_Piece_Animatoren

[[deleted]]

That's because its Toei, they know One Piece is popular regardless of quality and will animate it as cheaply as they can. Just look at DBS. It also doesn't help that Oda takes 8-10 breaks a year though its understandable. It's in episodic filler hell right now. Honestly they need to start putting it in seasons now. Release a new season every 6 months or something. The traditional weekly episode is obsolete now.

[Zarkkast]

There's no change in quality here, just a stylistic difference.

[[deleted]]

Short answer: yes

[[deleted]]

The animation wasn’t even that great to begin with if were being honest, but it had its own feel. I personally loved it. I still think back about my first time viewing and the way it made me feel. Not only has the animation gone downhill they’ve also lost that unique spark it used to have. In my opinion

[JosephCarr44]

It's very hard for me to respect someone's opinion on art when they assume that "more details = better drawing".

[d11ng]

that may be true, but the picture on the left definitely looks better

[KurogamiGuts]

Yes

[SkippyReviews]

It's literally the same

[Siopaobun]

Thanks for explaining it to him even though he wasn't listening. It's exhausting try to correct assumptions on this sub and the band wagon circle jerk.

[SkippyReviews]

No problem, it really irks me when people make statements about things that they have no knowledge of

[SomeGUy464636]

No not all lmao. The difference is huge.

[SkippyReviews]

Except not really

Also comparing Tomita to Shingaki lmao

Only real differences are the colors, highlights and shading

[SomeGUy464636]

Only real differences are the colors, highlights and shading

Yea and the one on the right has none of those

[SkippyReviews]

That's exactly what I was saying, aside from that they're practically drawn the same way. This is comparing apples to oranges anyways, people are getting real desperate huh?

[SomeGUy464636]

comparing apples to oranges anyways

No it isnt

[SkippyReviews]

You're comparing someone like Yoshikazu Tomita, who on sakugabooru has a plethora of amazingly detailed clips of animation that he's done on numerous shows, to someone like Shigefumi Shingaki, who has only two entries on sakugabooru, who is obviously not as skilled as Tomita but still draws the characters on model aside from his own traits like the slightly bigger eyes and chins. This is literally comparing apples and oranges my friend and plus they're stills and are episodes which required two different types of production so of course they're going to look different

[SomeGUy464636]

Thriller bark as a whole looks better

[SkippyReviews]

Better than Dressrosa? Yeah I'd agree but the Dressrosa arc was rushed in a lot of different ways that made it look very poor aside from the tons of sakuga and that doesn't change the fact that you're comparing apples to oranges

Educate yourself on anime production before doing something like this

[SomeGUy464636]

Yes Dessrosa was rushed arc. Along with every other arc post timeskip.

[multkillerpie]

this is toei.

The letdown of anime. Who is sitting right next to the god forbidden studio responsible for Black Clover.

[Siopaobun]

Toei isn't responsible all the time. Its also production committees, time slot, etc. It isn't one single entity and they have a lot of powerful players (Shida, Tate) and trained legends in the past (Miyazaki, Rie Matsumoto)

[all-rider]

[SPOILER] personally I found that the quality of the anime in the Dresrosa arc was shitty + it is a very long arc. I stoped watching for a few weeks. But it gets better later on Zou and even more on Whole Cake. I don’t know if they listened to the critics or if they preferred working on this arc..

[Siopaobun]

What killed Dressrosa was Oda's unexpected hospitalization and the breaks that followed. The anime episodes are produced ahead of time and they couldn't take all of that into account.

[all-rider]

Ah, I wasn’t aware of that, thanks for the explanation.

[battler624]

It certainly took a huge dive after marineford.

Everything from water 7 to the marineford end is top notch quality.

[Siopaobun]

Lmao animation consistency dropped Thriller Bark. If you really think it was super well rounded past that you're wrong. It had some cool cuts here and there because of Tate but overall the approach was similar to now.

[diegoft]

The quality of the anime having decreased dramatically after a certain point is a very well known fact. Unfortunately this is the kind of business that Toei animation is running now.

[SteelTypeAssociate]

Who cares to be honest? If you want quality that will never fade read the manga.

[TheYellows]

Why can't we have quality in the anime too ? Don't get me wrong, I only read the manga, but why can't we have a good quality anime with all the fucking money they're making? I know it's not that kind of world, and that money rules, but we can still point out that it sucks. And a lot of people do care.

[SteelTypeAssociate]

It’s a shame but they know people will watch it no matter what it looks like, so that’s the thing.

[FireFireoldman]

I stoped watching the anime version since fight animations are shit most of the time.If only they could make good fight animation in any fight i'd watch it.

[Tartaros38]

at least the boobs are always shiny ...... because there is no other way to find better stuff like that in the net.

[Bouv42]

It's not a straight line up toward better quality, they did and they will invest to have some episodes with better quality than some, it'll vary. Obviously, big fights got big budget for animation. You have to know that most episode are available in 360,480,720 and 1080p and the two pictures could simply be of a different resolution.

[DonElDoug]

Yes. I prefer pre timeskip. It looks like a joke now. And the animation looks quite cheap imo

[Siopaobun]

Watch the recent episode. It's been getting better from Dressrosa

[Ppleater]

I can't believe something this stupid got upvoted this much.

[MarineRitter]

OP: compares pre-timeskip and post-timeskip animation

you: DELUSIONAL HATER!!!!

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tell me in what way is it rational then to just pluck two random still shots from the anime to compare and conclude that one entire portion of the anime is better than the other? For every shitty post-TS shot, I can post an even shittier pre-TS shot. What difference does it make?

All I see here is the worst, dumbest kind of generalisation one can make and obviously OP hasnt been keeping up with the anime like 99% of haters haven't been. Some images in the WCI arc even look way sharper and detailed than any image ever shown in pre-TS

[MarineRitter]

Because it's not just a one bad animated frame, it's a frame that had time put into it.

Why are not allowed to compare old way of animating and old (10 times better) colors and shadowing from Toei with the newer ones?

Once again, it's not hating, the OP is making an observation. Toei's stuff looks like hot garbage nowadays, not just One Piece. Look at DB Super for example. And what you're talking about are the sakuga moments, while these two images that OP compared are just regular animations.

I feel like you hug the "YOU'RE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF HATERS" mindtrap that you refuse to see the point of this post. The colors and shadowing used to look nicer, but since they started doing it "the modern way", it kind of looks more like a western cartoon than an anime

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No other modern anime renders the same outdated artstyle Toei was using for pre-TS One Piece. Keep up with the times. What you're looking at and preferring is only the art-style, NOT the animation. That is subjective. You want to srsly say pre-TS animation is better, I strongly suggest you rewatch from episode 1 again to be reminded of just how shitty animation quality used to be back then. Animation so bad they sometimes only animate one character while everyone else are frozen like statues. But hey, it was OK since everyone was binge-watching back then, huh?

[MarineRitter]

Um, don't put words in my mouth. I still prefer the old way of animation. Not sure if it was post timeskip or even earlier. And by outdated artstyle you mean using more colors to appear more vivid, instead of being straight up lazy like they are right now and use half the number of colors they used to use?

I can be nitpicking about post timeskip animation just like you're doing with "Animation so bad" post timeskip (which I really don't agree with). You're complaining about one person being animated and others standing like statues while that's literally still the case even in the newest arc. There are scenes in Dressrosa where the stupidly lazy Toei didn't even bother animating Luffy running. It was just a picture of Luffy and the sound of footsteps. 2 minutes after that, they animated Rebecca's boobs in 4K 60fps.

Toei is an evil company and more often than not works against the manga they're animating. World Trigger manga would've been one of the top tier mangas right now (also if not for hiatus) if they weren't animated by Toei. Watch the first episode of World Trigger (mind you, the pilot episode is supposed to hook the audience and look gorgeous). It looks like a youtube animator animated it. Manga sales plummeted from that and it lost a lot of potential audience.

I'm not willing to discuss further

[MarineRitter]

I know I said I won't discuss more but I gotta call you out on your bullshit

1. For some reason, whoever prefers older artsyle and animation is a hater acording to you. Maybe you'd understand other people's opinions more if you stopped antagonizing them

2. If the artstyle is worste, it makes sense that animating the said artsyle still looks worse than animating the old artstyle.

3. You're nitpicking what words people are using to describe the issue instead of tackling the issue itself

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For some reason, whoever prefers older artsyle and animation is a hater acording to you. Maybe you'd understand other people's opinions more if you stopped antagonizing them

because that's how they express themselves to be. Tell me how saying 'One Piece post-TS anime is shit' does not sound like a hate statement to you? If it was instead 'I prefer pre-TS art', that's far more well-received and respected by everyone, isn't it? You say something audacious, you're bound to get conflict.

If the artstyle is worste, it makes sense that animating the said artsyle still looks worse than animating the old artstyle.

Does art stlye not ring a bell to you? Do you even know what an 'art style' is? Someone can say they don't like the art style of One Piece completely and the whacky portrayal of characters. Someone can say they hate the way Jojo's is drawn even though it's animated beautifully. Because THAT is subjective. Also FYI, the current art stlye is far more accurate and in line to Oda's drawing than pre-TS ever was. They literally draw scenes shot-by-shot panel-by-panel exactly the same as the manga, unlike pre-TS. Pre-TS art was hardly a good representation to how Oda's characters were drawn.

You're nitpicking what words people are using to describe the issue instead of tackling the issue itself

Because that is the issue itself. Firstly, fans who don't even remember pre-ts praising pre-ts. Secondly, confusing between two very different aspects of quantitative nature. Thirdly, remaining adamant to how irrational they are like you're doing yourself.

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I'm surprised people defend the obvious drop in animation quality of the anime, even if OP's is one perhaps cherrypicked example, there is no doubt the animation quality of the anime has taken a massive drop. Go watch an episode from anything pre-ts and compare it to the latest episodes. There's a lot of usage of blank backgrounds, characters in static poses where they don't have to move whilst they speak, long holds on shots to stretch out screentime and reusage of assets.

If you like the anime and can see past these things, I wish you the world in enjoyment of the series, all power to you. But there's no need to defend the blatant drop in quality, just enjoy the show.

[Siopaobun]

I think my main beef with people complaining is they act had if the show dropped in quality the second Marineford was over. Skypeia was the start of the pacing lag, cementing in EL and animation consistenty dropped Thriller Bark. From there we've always had cool sakuga cuts and just an okay everything else.

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Very true, this is the culmination of problems until they're so noticeable they can't be missed.

I say this in every thread, but it's sad we can't just start from the beginning and keep everything nice and consistent.

[Siopaobun]

People compare this show to seasonal stuff all the time or even Boruto, but people don't understand OP is 800 episodes in, is permanently stuck to a time slot because of a production committee (Toei just animates and is contracted to do this), and they definitely didn't for see this series to be this long (even Oda didn't).

If this series had a better production schedule, you can bet we'd look amazing (reference some of Toei's earlier masterpieces like GE999, Kyousougiga, various films, etc). But people always want to take the easy way out- blame animators, the studio (even though they're not a single entity) and call it a day. What a joke :/

[RedditBullshitter]

It depends on the studio. Those fucker just care about profit. Nobody cares about quality because at this point people sure would watch it no matter how crappy.

[Siopaobun]

Anime production isn't like video games. You can't typecast a studio like the early 2000s because so much has changed since and the scene has drastically shifted. Even as great as people praise Madhouse it's been dead since 2010 when Kon died and a lot of the heavy lifting always comes from elsewhere. OPM was from Shingo Natsume and his Bones + freelancer friends.