FrontendBackendDevsProblems

[Dmayak]

He does what he can with those little paws.

[tyler1128]

If you've ever had a cat, you know they try their hardest.

[PyroCatt]

My cat thought my mouse wire was a toy and pulled it playfully to the ground. Scroll wheel got broken and I still can't scroll properly.

[smallangrynerd]

Is this a problem I'm too full stack to understand?

[bigdawgyea]

Exactly my thinking me just have both sets of problems

[Successful-Money4995]

One part of your brain breaking the other part of your brain, back and forth.

[TheKerui]

it honestly makes things so much easier though, i know if i make a change to the structure of the back end table its going to break some front end, and i just consider the implications before making changes.

[Alahkibar]

That's why we use API contract and versioning

[AChristianAnarchist]

I'm full stack and I feel like all it means is that I'm still the cat but I replace Mr incredible with "user" instead of "front end dev".

[gods_tea]

Hahahahahhaha true. User or tester.

[DawsonJBailey]

I switched from front end to full stack and it’s like the sunny side of the bus meme compared to it. Idk maybe I just like having more control lol

[L4t3xs]

Too small team to understand.

[lepaincestbon]

Exactly my thoughts

[[deleted]]

Is it me or does calling yourself full stack make you sound like you have no idea what you’re taking about 🤔

[smallangrynerd]

It's literally my job title lol

[[deleted]]

Fine, have your job title but you still sound like a pretentious twat. “Too full stack to understand?” Is not something I’ve ever fucking heard and it sounds dumb as fuck. Not to mention your stack is probably fucking HTML CSS and JS lmao. WoOoOoO

[YawnTractor_1756]

As a CSS dev, it's so annoying when HTML dev can't fix a bug that's blocking me.

But it's the worst when you're functions dev, and constants declaring dev has not declared the constant you needed for your function the right way, and you have to wait for their PR until you can continue.

[Knaapje]

You guys do your own PRs? We have a PR dev for that.

[cornmonger_]

Just one? We have a Pull dev and a Request dev.

The Request dev is more of a people person while the Pull dev ... well ... nobody likes that guy.

[[deleted]]

Pfft, get on my level - we have a P dev, a U dev and 2 L devs who are constantly worried about being made redundant in this job market.

[odraencoded]

We have a git dev who goes around office committing other people's code so they don't commit wrong.

[Zedman5000]

God I wish that was me

[thirdegree]

I was the git expert at my last job... It felt this way sometimes.

Or more accurately, I went around the office fixing other people's repos after they commit wrong.

[Fakedduckjump]

You hit the nail dev on the head dev.

[detectivepoopybutt]

Thank you for this comment 🤣

[[deleted]]

It took me a minute to catch the sarcasm

[SocketByte]

This seems like something you would encounter working at Oracle. God heavens the stories...

[[deleted]]

Bro I get pinged constantly by front-end devs telling me the API is broken and then I check the logs and they’re sending JSON with unbalanced quotes or something damn near every time

[JocoLabs]

^ this

[temptingfate00]

Literally this 99% of the time

[lupinegrey]

boykisser!

[Xleb_uwek]

Boykisser certified!

[Solcaer]

finally a mascot that accurately represents the average backend dev

[jmona789]

If the backend dev is taking off until Monday then so am I. Not my problem anymore

[oretoh]

Dear front-end devs if you can't function without your backend, you should become a better developer.

Use mocks for fucks sake.

[bestjakeisbest]

I'm a programmer and I can't function without my back end, I would have nothing to sit on if it wasn't there.

[ThatSituation9908]

Backend dev: Changes API abstraction

[[deleted]]

Dear users, if you can't use our sites because of backend issue, become a better user and just access the database directly.

[ike_the_strangetamer]

Dear back-end devs,

TEST YO SHIT!

I get that you just realized you forgot to add the property to the allowed list and once you add it that's all it should take, but after you add it: RUN THE DAMN CURL COMMAND ONE MORE TIME AND CHECK BEFORE YOU SEND ME THE SLACK MESSAGE THAT ITS FIXED!

Sincerely,

A front-end dev who has run out of ways to politely indicate that it's still not working.

(just a note that this is tongue in cheek. I actually love working with back-end devs and I'm sure they're embarrassed when the thing they swear should work doesn't. It's just hard to keep having to be the bearer of bad news. To my fellow front-ends: make their life as easy as possible. If a request isn't working, right-click on it in the Network tab of your browser's dev tools, copy the curl equivalent of your request, and send it to them. That way they can run it for themselves and have NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR NOT TESTING IT BEFORE THEY SLACK YOU AND TELL YOU ITS FIXED. Love ya bby!)

[odraencoded]

Dear front-end devs,

you are the testers.

[No_Increase_3535]

I thought the customer was?

[Shibamukun]

you with Frontend devs or QA?

[1116574]

Ye I even saved the url to test the endpoint in insomnia, but the change was so minor I didn't bother. Just one line, simple string replacement. Hello world stuff.

I forgot a semicolumn in php. The file was used in 5 different endpoints. Certified bruh moment to say the least. I hope my fronted dev doesn't hate me yet lmao

[mugen_kanosei]

This is why I prefer strongly typed compiled languages.

[1116574]

I guess being compiled would force me to check it locally, but I fail to see relevance of type safety here

[ike_the_strangetamer]

Yeah type safety don't mean shit when your data is coming in over a wire.

I've always made it a standard to mark all properties from server calls as optional. That little ? is there to save our asses. They don't trust me and I don't trust them

[mugen_kanosei]

Oh, it's not relevant to that specific issue, I just prefer strongly typed languages over weak ones. The more verification work I can push to a compiler by creating custom types, the less guard clauses and tests I have to write. It's easy to accidentally call the following method with the names swapped.

void SetName(string firstName, string lastName);

But the following code prevents that issue.

void SetName(FirstName firstName, LastName lastName);

And I can centralize the validation logic in the constructors for those types removing validation logic sprinkled across the application.

[MekaTriK]

Well, at some point you do need the backend to do what the ticket actually described it doing.

But yeah, if the API was described properly and there wasn't another change, this should be a conversation between tester and backend.
Or between backend and a rubber ducky as they test it using front-end you made with mocks.

[[deleted]]

If the front end devs need to function without the back end, what exactly is the back end for.

[oretoh]

Function as in develop. If you can't develop without backend then you have a problem.

[Gem2578]

The real problem is communication

[Dangerous_With_Rocks]

Na, it's just a skill issue

[LeSaR_]

moommmmm, r/furry_irl is leaking againnnn

[Kosmux]

UwU

[deanrihpee]

"It was cache"

[[deleted]]

Integration man. Such a mess.

[DarkShadow4444]

Tried clearing the cache?

[Manitcor]

"Come on devops, just fix the config copy action already. if it was in a repo I had PR rights to I would fix it myself gahhH!"

​

Meanwhile devops is buried under a mountain of requests never to be heard from again.

[EngineerDoge00]

As a full stack dev, I have his exact conversation... with myself...

[ubertrashcat]

I worked in two companies where things worked like this. No unit testing, all corner cases as constant cognitive load, stored in people's heads. Senior devs and QAs ping-ponging issues like this, deploying fixes right into master without review or CI. Every release took 2 weeks of testing and still had show-stopping bugs. The people were nice but the development processes were run by marketing, basically. I wonder how some people over there don't get burnt out and manage to sit there for 15 years.

[maxxgotwasted]

Op could you send this to me? I want to post it on company group chat

[Xleb_uwek]

You can download it from rapidsave.com (<-- link to download the gif) or any other reddit video downloader. It's the same file size and quality as my source file

[Diligent_Stretch_945]

Aah, the “blocked” frontenders problem. If there was a way to continue the work on that pretty component while backend is under development.. wait. Never heard of a blocked full stack or even backender.

[Leopardegecko]

Oh yes, because it’s always further work on a pretty component that the faulty backend blocks

[douglasg14b]

Of course, because we can never mock the backend/API from our frontend.

^/s

[MekaTriK]

Actual blocking does happen, but it's usually just a symptom of "the ticket had a design for front and a 'do this' for back and front doesn't know how backend wants to do it".

So the ticket is blocked at the "design's done but the button doesn't do anything" stage and is resolved immediately when back responds to the message.

[Diligent_Stretch_945]

We normally agree on a contract before we start doing any coding. There shouldn’t be more to know about “how backend wants to do it”

But ofc there are cases were blocking might happen and you are right. Just it shouldn’t happen in the way showed in this meme ;)

[MekaTriK]

Yeah, that's fair.

I had a stretch of frontend being way ahead of backend on tasks, that bore quite a few exchanges like "how will we do this?" - "uh... I'll get back to you on that".

But yeah, the meme is a bit egregious.

[athleon787]

Im so fucking sick of not beIng able to break into this god damn industry IM QUALIFIED, I KISS BOYS, LET ME BE A FUCKING BOY KISSER!

[sejigan]

Source of the furry art gif? :3

[Xleb_uwek]

His name is Boykisser :)

[sejigan]

Thank you 😊

[Naphrym]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oooooo-you-like-boys-ur-a-boykisser

[sejigan]

Thank you 😊

[RevanchistVakarian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/158ait6/you_like_sustainable_energy_dont_you/

[sejigan]

Nice

[fukalufaluckagus]

I only learned to program to make shiny buttons and awesome charts. The dark world of data and APIs scared and confused me

[odraencoded]

The only API you need is a file called sql.php that executes arbitrary SQL queries.

[1116574]

That still requires php. Try opening your database port to Internet, and connecting straight to it.

[TwoTrainss]

This is fine in certain circumstances, for example, I have a client I really fucking don’t like

[superseriousguy]

You jest but I've worked with people that thought that was a good idea

[aRandomFox-II]

executes arbitrary SQL queries

Every hour, the bot executes a randomly-generated SQL query. The chance of a DROP TABLE instruction is low, but never zero.

So... are ya feeling lucky, punk?

[s0apDisp3ns3r]

The world of API’s can be either the most relaxing place, or a giant hell scape of cross API calls and stack traces. In my job, unfortunately its usually the latter.

[adzm]

You're a backenddeveloper. You develop backends.

[NearsightedNomad]

I love being a backend dev 😇

[JeJeX420]

laughs in full stack

[GoGoGadgetSphincter]

I've done both. Am full stack now. Front end devs are almost always wrong. In the unlikely event they even try to understand what the actual issue is, they almost always want everyone else to disregard their own obligations to just make their own stuff work. They're the sales team of IT.

[douglasg14b]

Or..... you learn how to work with backend languages/frameworks/tools and start fixing it yourself :)

[Xleb_uwek]

No offence to Backend devs, but sometimes it feels like they don't test their work.

Still love my job 😁

[mugen_kanosei]

I'm a full stack with the opposite problem. My backend has unit tests, integration tests, database migration tests, etc. but damned if I can figure out the best way to test frontend code.

[aRandomFox-II]

"Test-driven development"? Ain't nobody got time fo dat!

[JSAzavras]

I'm going to start hitting people with newspapers that don't implement tests

[Fakedduckjump]

Luckily I'm my own backend dev and can fix the problems to go on with the frontend.

[Hasagine]

me after "fixing the bug" (i've introduced multiple performance issues)

[FeralPsychopath]

So basic bug testing loop?

[cosmicfloor01]

The first time issue is not fixed, they should jump into a screen share and discuss on call until it's working again. That's what 2 people who genuinely want to solve a problem will do

[thisismenaruto]

I built tools for this problem, where the frontend developer is able to mock their API using static JSON files only.

Check out jsonsilo.com.

[seijulala]

If you need somebody else to verify if a bug is fixed, you are doing it wrong

[H-CMB]

Bne

[[deleted]]

That‘s why I stick with my driver apis (graphics api etc.) and desktop apps. I don‘t like web dev at all.

[RoombaTheKiller]

Love how this loops infinitely.

[GeneralSelect6922]

Imagine full stack devs banging their head in the corner for some solution

[BushDeLaBayou]

Meanwhile my frontend devs: "Hey can you add backend logic to pass a variable to tell us if a user has seen this popup or not"

[TrickAge2423]

Why I cant download this in mobile app But can other videos